This is a huge file, ~800,000 lines long. May take a while to load. NYC604 is a public discussion group for public trance parties in New York with ~620 members, started in 2002, cutting off at 2010. NYC604 on Yahoogroups: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/NYC604/info/ I'll be working overtime in the next couple days to ensure everyone feels OK with all this. Message me on FB or call (347) 870-6602 or email at machinelf at tranceam.org if you have any questions. - This is mostly plain text about events. And comments. And all that. No photos are included. - Emails were changed from "@" to "at" and the suffix com/edu/net was purged, and a well as most major email domains such AOL, Hotmail, and MSN. - All text is kept but illegal references were acronymmed, ads were removed as much as possible, and server strings and messages were purged - All messages were kept unless they were a big block of alphanumeric, which means someone felt it was cool to send an image directly rather than link. - One email type area that was difficult to obfuscate was .edu's - for example after all the purging, your email and school is still there, for example "TMcMillan Columbia" That will have to be done on a school by school basis. - Even with all these safeguards, some personal details may come through in ways you are not comfortable with. Contact me if so. Finally, contact me if you find a name that slipped through. Um, besides Jason's. Messages 1-15: Unrecoverable 16 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] headphones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "Jason Sannachan" Jeff i wondered if you would reply to this you made me think about it last night but it was not strictly addressed at you i have seen it several times at sadhu's even up at the bridge so please dont think of it as a personal attack it absolutely is not. -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] headphones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i was burning discs, man! 17 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:37:00 Subject: tsunami review From: Machinelf it was our punishment for not going to gaian mind hot hot hot did for the 1st time in a year big mistake then joey gave me a dippy of piecey p and doing k's evil cousin, it made me feel like I died, slipped off the raft of life in the sea of coincidence 18 Subject: Re: [NYC604] tsunami review From: js at studiodistribution how was the party apart from being to hot > it was our punishment for not going to gaian mind > hot hot hot > did for the 1st time in a year > big mistake > then joey gave me a dippy of pcp and > doing k's evil cousin, > it made me feel like I died, > slipped off the raft of life > in the sea of coincidence 19 Mon, 16 Sep 2002 02:02:11 Subject: Re: infected Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 02:02:11 From: "B ... Power" >how was the party apart from being to hot i thought the party was pretty slammin'... IM deffinitely put on their live performance... had to quesiton that from the last IM tsunami show (july 3? where IM was advertised to play live, but only played dj sets) anyways it was worth the 6 hour drive. lots of heavy metal tracks, i also liked mirculix's dj set... a very FULL-on... oh yeah and the party was good too ;) B 20 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:14:55 Subject: Re: infected From: "Machinelf" did anybody go to gaian mind? i honestly lacked the funds to go and could not get a comp. (people who worked there even paid; my guess is the only comps were djs) I saw a lot of people at tsunami, many who seemed to be the types that would eschew tsunami at shelter, so my guess is light to moderate turnout, with a lot of non-typical people in attendance from PA, NJ, DE, etc. --- In NYC604 at y..., "B ... Power" wrote: > >how was the party apart from being to hot > > i thought the party was pretty slammin'... IM deffinitely put on their live > performance... had to quesiton that from the last IM tsunami show (july 3? > where IM was advertised to play live, but only played dj sets) anyways it > was worth the 6 hour drive. lots of heavy metal tracks, i also liked > mirculix's dj set... a very FULL-on... oh yeah and the party was good too ;) > > B > 21 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:24:10 Subject: Gaian Mind Review From: XDreamer123 WOW ! WOW ! WOW ! What a party it was. In everything that Phantasm was wrong, these guys did it right. Simply amazing location. In a real forest, removed from any signs of civilization. The people who owned the place were absolutely magical. They are like a one big community of hippies. The people who organized the party knew exactly how psychedelic outdoor should be organized. Great music, great vibe, great party. Free tea, coffe, showers, fantastic chill out ( it was almost like a chill out city). On a main dance floor the music started out at about 11 p.m. (on Sat.) and was pumping untill 10 a.m. next day. Mad props to Philadelphia scene and everyone else who came there. If anything made up for Phantasm faults it was Gaian Mind. At the end the guy who supposedly was in charge of the place (check it out, he is a monk), came on a main dance floor to thank us all for coming, mentioning that we were really great in a way that we behaved toward the location and the people, and invited our jolly bunch back next year. Then we all held hands in one big circle and thanked the Land for having us. It was by far the best party I have ever attended. Viva Gaian Mind !!! 22 To: Subject: Infected at Shelter From: "nan" Okay, I gotta say this. I wasn't able to go to the Gaian Mind Festival wh ich bummed me out but I'll live. However, I was able to go to see Infected Mushroom at Shelter on Friday and it was so unbearably hot on the dance f loor I ended up sitting on the roof instead for most of the night. Not th e headspace I was "expecting" that's for sure. Looking forward to Omni Tri be's Aural Beats party in September where they say they're having two danc e floors: indoor AND outdoor. That's my vent. Peace. Okay, I gotta say this. I wasn't able to go to the Gaian Mind F estival which bummed me out but I'll live. However, I was able to go to see Infected Mushroom at Shelter on Fridayand it was so unbearably hot on the dance f loor I ended up sitting on the roof instead for m ost of the night. Not the headspace I was "expecting" that's f or sure. Looking forward to Omni Tribe's Aural Beats party in September where they say they're having two dance floors: indoor AND outdoor. That's my vent. Peace. 23 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:21:28 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Gaian Mind Review From: krsnalotus true and right on was a great event different people different vibes different world, :) k. 24 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:09:24 Subject: Re: Gaian Mind Review From: "bigpaw4444" Thank you Gaian Mind! This party was an absolute blast. I can finally let the bitter taste of Phantasm out of my mouth. There's still hope for real outdoor psytrance on the East Coast. Gaian Mind's excellent organization and the friendly EarthReligion hippies that run this perfectly secluded compound set the stage for Mark Allen and Co.'s new creative sounds and deep hypnotic beats. Can't wait till next year, and let's hope the NY turnout is better. -IV 25 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:13:34 Subject: wednesday review From: "Machinelf" sam's set was awesome last night at pyramid! $5 cut down on the crowd. i heard opium den was full of beautiful brazillian women! did anybody hear, 4 nyc cops busted for buying drugs? 26 To: "NYC604" Subject: Magic at Body Temple From: "nan" In short: The kingdom has come and the King plays a mean drum. >;-) In short: The kingdom has come and the King plays a mean drum. >;-) 27 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Magic at Body Temple From: "Jason Sannachan" Righty then! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: nan [nan at hipchix] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: [NYC604] Magic at Body Temple In short: The kingdom has come and the King plays a mean drum. >;-) Lesh Righty then! AUTOTE Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Me ssage--From: nan [ma ilto:nan at hipchix] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: [NYC604] Magic at Body Temple In short: The kingdom has come an d the King plays a mean drum. >;-) NYC604 28 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:21:44 Subject: Damn,only the first round... at Body Sat From: "pacific888us" A left and a right and one straight down the middle. Mean and hard beats as the morning rolls around .Becoming melodic fullon around 7 Am .The kind i like . Brazen,but in total command of his craft .Damn it was like a knock out .Looking forward to a rematch since i left around 8 in the morning,wobbleing . Next round I hope to be more prepare of more of that Brazilan style . Welcome to Nouve York!! Art 29 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:49:23 Subject: IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: Machinelf He sold out Synthetic Sadhus on VH-1. There was a recent VH1 special called "Addicted to Club Drugs" It showed Jesse, AKA Tweak, who was NiMf006 on a watchdog list for rave thugs. He is no longer a member. He was the little rave kid who had his ass beaten by BTS guys because he was an E dealer, and we let him vent and complain. And give info on various local area thugs. He was friends with that Bunny woman. He unsubbed some time back. He was a raver kid. The low life kind of e dealer that poulates raves and smokes angel dust. He maybe came to 2 or 3 trance events in his life. VH1 told Synthetic that they heard that SS was the most highly regarded trance group in NYC. So they came and filmed at a recent SS party. Tweak was part of the film crew, I saw him and said hey Tweak, congrats you got a job! He smiled and said, yeahh...! Then they followed Tweak around, showed him doing K in front of a Synthetic Sadhus banner. Then they showed him going through rehab. Judas. He could bring down the whole trance scene. This list is the second that I'm "outing" him on, if anyone here has anything more to add to this email, do it, and then it will go out on brainmachines and safetydance. He sold out Synthetic Sadhus on VH-1. There was a recent VH1 special called "Addicted to Club Drugs" It showed Jesse, AKA Tweak, who was NiMf006 on a watchdog list for rave thugs. He is no longer a member. He was the little rave kid who had his ass beaten by BTS guys because he was an E dealer, and we let him vent and complain. And give info on various local area thugs. He was friends with that Bunny woman. He unsubbed some time back. He was a raver kid. The low life kind of e dealer that poulates raves and smokes angel dust. He maybe came to 2 or 3 trance events in his life. VH1 told Synthetic that they heard that SS was the most highly regarded trance group in NYC. So they came and filmed at a recent SS party. Tweak was part of the film crew, I saw him and said hey Tweak, congrats you got a job! He smiled and said, yeahh...! Then they followed Tweak around, showed him doing K in front of a Synthetic Sadhus banner. Then they showed him going through rehab. Judas. He could bring down the whole trance scene. This list is the second that I'm "outing" him on, if anyone here has anything more to add to this email, do it, and then it will go out on brainmachines and safetydance. 30 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:08:31 Subject: VH1 Link From: Machinelf http://www.vh1 /shows/dyn/vh1_news_special/61697/episode.jhtml 31 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] VH1 Link From: "Jason Sannachan" I REMEMBER THAT CRACKED OUT LITTLE SHIT NOW HE CAME ON THE FRYING PAN PARTY SPENT THE NIGHT BUGGING ME FOR NARCOTICA WHILE I WAS PLAYING.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: [NYC604] VH1 Link http://www.vh1 /shows/dyn/vh1_news_special/61697/episode.jhtml 32 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:19:23 Subject: visuals... From: "ooaurora" Sup? I have to say that some of the best decor I've ever seen would be at trance parties. Especially the black light reflective back drops... and DNA Dan's geometric shapes... but in my opinion I feel that usually the monitor visuals are lacking... (Disclaimer: that's my opinion... I'm entitled) unknown shrooms had some cool stuff playing on the monitor's at pyramid on the 18th... SS's crew does some chill stuff with video cam's... but why not have come cool flowing sound responsive type stuff... I'd be willing to bring my pc down to do monitor visuals... I have some chill sound responsive eye candy that I would love to share with the community... all that's needed is a line out from the sound board and a TV to plug my pc into.. If anyone's interested... e-mail me at oOaurora . Free of course... also, a pc with a projection TV pointed down on the dance floor would cover us all in a colorful swimming glow... ) just thought i would share a few new ideas to keep things from being stagnant... quote: "if you're not growing your dieing." -Jeff... well, if anyone's interested... drop me a note... -paul. (not steves roommate) ) 33 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:59:11 Subject: Re: [NYC604] VH1 Link From: Machinelf my only thought was, wasn't anybody watching them film him? it would have been awesome to have him filmed getting kicked out. 34 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:32:07 Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: krsnalotus Hes from parsippany and he lives near my house 35 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:32:24 Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: krsnalotus ive been to his house and he boned that erica chick 36 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:32:43 Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: krsnalotus Can someone get me a copy of the tape 37 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:37:31 Subject: Re: [NYC604] VH1 Link From: krsnalotus start throwing longer partys man have fun k 38 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:03:12 Subject: Psytrance article From: Machinelf Psytrance article kicks ass link from sfbay604 list http://www.independent /cover/cover.html 39 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: "Jason Sannachan" I don't want to seem strange here but what exactly do you think your'e going to do to this dumass cracked out raver kid............ My peace loving spandex wearing wanna be baba's. He will get what is coming to him don't you know anything it's karma and knowing where he lives who he shags or whatever Is not going to remedy the situation. Grow up. Jason SUBTLECHAOS/SS Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: krsnalotus [krsnalotus ] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. Hes from parsippany and he lives near my house 40 Subject: RE: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. To: From: "B, Nicholas" Totally. Also krsnalotus could you please learn how to write email that i s more than one line long. While you are at it learn how to. Use. Punctuat ion. :) Nick -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:55 AM To: NYC604 Subject: RE: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat o n VH1. Please Read. I don't want to seem strange here but what exactly do you think your'e going to do to this dumass cracked out raver kid......... ... My peace loving spandex wearing wanna be baba's. He will get what is c oming to him don't you know anything it's karma and knowing where he lives who he shags or whatever Is not going to remedy the situation. Grow up. Jas on SUBTLECHAOS/SS Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistrib ution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: krs nalotus [krsnalotus ] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 20 02 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Twe ak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. Hes from parsippany and he lives near m y house NYC604-unsubscr ibe to 41 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:21:52 Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: Machinelf In a message dated 9/25/2002 11:34:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writes: > > I don't want to seem strange here but what exactly do you think your'e > going > to do to this dumass cracked out raver kid............ > My peace loving spandex wearing wanna be baba's. > He will get what is coming to him don't you know anything it's karma and > knowing where he lives who he shags or whatever > Is not going to remedy the situation. > Grow up. > Jason SUBTLECHAOS/SS well, i'll tell ya what. next time he shows up at a subtle chaos gig with a hidden camera/mike, i won't say anything. cool? In a message dated 9/25/2002 11:34:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writes: I don't want to seem strange here but what exactly do you think your'e going to do to this dumass cracked out raver kid............ My peace loving spandex wearing wanna be baba's. He will get what is coming to him don't you know anything it's karma and knowing where he lives who he shags or whatever Is not going to remedy the situation. Grow up. Jason SUBTLECHAOS/SS well, i'll tell ya what. next time he shows up at a subtle chaos gig with a hidden camera/mike, i won't say anything. cool? 42 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: "Jason Sannachan" I am not getting into this with you but who do you think you are man this kid was a prick but I seem to remember you inviting quite A few wankers like that to parties in fact if it was not for your very very public lists we would not have all those gimps creating negative vibes. And as for not saying anything if someone weird turns up at a Subtlechaos event I never complained when you turned up with crystals caked to your nostrils and fluro paint running down your face.:O) You need to leave this situation alone Jeff just learn by it. We all trust people within our scene but there will always be people who try to hurt us that is their problem not ours...... Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. In a message dated 9/25/2002 11:34:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writes: I don't want to seem strange here but what exactly do you think your'e going to do to this dumass cracked out raver kid............ My peace loving spandex wearing wanna be baba's. He will get what is coming to him don't you know anything it's karma and knowing where he lives who he shags or whatever Is not going to remedy the situation. Grow up. Jason SUBTLECHAOS/SS well, i'll tell ya what. next time he shows up at a subtle chaos gig with a hidden camera/mike, i won't say anything. cool? Lesh I am not getting into this with you but who do you think you are man this kid was a prick but I seem to remember you inviting quite A few wankers like that to pa rties in fact if it was not for your very very public lists we would not ha ve all those gimps creating negative vibes. And as for not saying anything if someone weird turn s up at a Subtlechaos event I never complained when you turned up with crys tals caked to your nostrils and fluro paint running down your face.:O) You need to leave this si tuation alone Jeff just learn by it. We all trust people within our scene but there will always b e people who try to hurt us that is their problem not ours. quot;E-mail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-- From: Machinelf [mai lto:Machinelf] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat o n VH1. Please Read. In a message dated 9/25/2002 11:34:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writes: I don't want to seem strange here but what exactly do you think your'e go ing to do to this dumass cracked out raver kid............ My peace loving spandex wearing wanna be baba's. He will get what is comi ng to him don't you know anything it's karma and knowing where he lives who he shags or whatever Is not going to remedy the situation. Gro w up. Jason SUBTLECHAOS/SS well, i'll tell ya what. next time he shows up at a subtle chaos gig with a hidden camera/mike, i won't say anything. cool? fro NYC604 Ya 43 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:51:41 Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: Machinelf In a message dated 9/25/2002 12:41:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writes: > when you turned up with crystals caked to your nostrils and fluro paint > running down your face.:O) turned up? or left? >:O.):::.. In a message dated 9/25/2002 12:41:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writes: when you turned up with crystals caked to your nostrils and fluro paint running down your face.:O) turned up? or left? >:O.):::.. 44 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:53:14 Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: projectutopia hey, i dont want to end like tweak. Im not a crakhed, but i do need a job. anyone know of anyone hiring at the moment>?? charlie. hey, i dont want to end like tweak. Im not a crakhed, but i do need a job. anyone know of anyone hiring at the moment>?? charlie. 45 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: "Jason Sannachan" Lol turned up left turned up again but you have to understand what I mean man we cant dwell on people like that We all want to keep it together and just learn from itLeshHe was pretty much a loner at all the parties and gave off a vibe that left you thinking he was dodgy now it is over he wont turn up again he is well known now and we just don't let him into any gatherings anymore and I guarantee if I am on the door at SS/SC HE WONT BE INSIDE!!!!!!. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. In a message dated 9/25/2002 12:41:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writes: when you turned up with crystals caked to your nostrils and fluro paint running down your face.:O) turned up? or left? >:O.):::.. Lesh Lol turned up left turned up again b ut you have to understand what I mean man we cant dwell on people like that We all want to keep i t together and just learn from itLesh He was pretty much a loner at all the parties and gave off a vibe that left you thinking he was dodgy now it is over he wont turn up aga in he is well known now and we just dont let him into any gatherings anymore and I guarantee if I am on the door at SS/SC HE WONT BE INSIDE!!!!!!. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 716 1 EXT 43 Js at st udiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf [Machinelf] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2 002 12:52 PM at yahoogroups Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. In a message dated 9 /25/2002 12:41:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution write s: when you tur ned up with crystals caked to your nostrils and fluro paint running down yo ur face.:O) turned u p? or left? >:O.):::.. from this group, send an e ups Terms of Serv ice. 46 Subject: RE: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: mark at indole > I am not getting into this with you but who do you think you are man this >>kid was a prick but I seem to remember you inviting quite >A few wankers like that to parties in fact if it was not for your very >very public lists we would not have all those gimps creating negative >>vibes. And as for not saying anything if someone weird turns up at a >Subtlechaos event I never complained when you turned up with >crystals caked to your nostrils and fluro paint running down your face.:O) >You need to leave this situation alone Jeff just learn by it. I'm sorry, Jason, but you are way out of your league on this one. Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins. No one knows more than Jeff about doing ketamine at a party, talking about drugs on television, or making the scene look bad. So who are we to say anything about this Jesse kid?? That would be like me telling you how to spin psy-tek, and I don't even own turntables. (You might want to switch to a plain text sigfile, the one you are using now is like 12K long.) 47 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: "Jason Sannachan" That is it Mark has succeeded where everyone else failed with this subject I am truly sorry I ever gave you shit Mark. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: mark at indole [mark at indole] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. > I am not getting into this with you but who do you think you are man this >>kid was a prick but I seem to remember you inviting quite >A few wankers like that to parties in fact if it was not for your very >very public lists we would not have all those gimps creating negative >>vibes. And as for not saying anything if someone weird turns up at a >Subtlechaos event I never complained when you turned up with >crystals caked to your nostrils and fluro paint running down your face.:O) >You need to leave this situation alone Jeff just learn by it. I'm sorry, Jason, but you are way out of your league on this one. Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins. No one knows more than Jeff about doing ketamine at a party, talking about drugs on television, or making the scene look bad. So who are we to say anything about this Jesse kid?? That would be like me telling you how to spin psy-tek, and I don't even own turntables. (You might want to switch to a plain text sigfile, the one you are using now is like 12K long.) 48 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:02:59 Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: Machinelf you weenie. of course i've been on tv, but it was amsterdam tv, where the attitudes and response was uniformly positive, and the producer did shrooms. in the usa i never identified drugs with trance, or especially any group of people who organize trance events. i was on mtv once, but i did not associate myself with trance. if you want to defend tweak then that reveals a lot about your holding out bickering as a greater value than collective survival. tweak did more damage to our collective security than anyone else has put together - and he didn't filter in through brainmachines.. as the war on e segues into the war on club drugs, trance is being painted with the same brush as RAVE. and that is the issue. organizers held responsible for someone like tweak coming in and fucking it up. 49 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: "Jason Sannachan" Jeff we all know that our parties draw the rave kids all the party promoters in New York are guilty of this Including myself our only way to resolve this is to bring our parties back to the old way very minimal promotion no big colourful flyers. Keep the parties hush hush (remember 40th and 9th) killer party no nasty people I am all up for this again But the bigger promoters wont be it seems to be all about the benjamins. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. you weenie. of course i've been on tv, but it was amsterdam tv, where the attitudes and response was uniformly positive, and the producer did shrooms. in the usa i never identified drugs with trance, or especially any group of people who organize trance events. i was on mtv once, but i did not associate myself with trance. if you want to defend tweak then that reveals a lot about your holding out bickering as a greater value than collective survival. tweak did more damage to our collective security than anyone else has put together - and he didn't filter in through brainmachines.. as the war on e segues into the war on club drugs, trance is being painted with the same brush as RAVE. and that is the issue. organizers held responsible for someone like tweak coming in and fucking it up. 50 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:37:31 Subject: Re: [NYC604] IMPORTANT - Tweak is the rat on VH1. Please Read. From: projectutopia In a message dated 9/25/02 2:33:48 PM Time, js at studiodistribution writes: > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > you guys hiring.?? In a message dated 9/25/02 2:33:48 PM Time, js at studiodistribution writes: Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 you guys hiring.?? 51 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:43:03 Subject: ravers From: Machinelf with all due respect i disagree. The only parties with lots of ravers is the synthetic parties - ~20% tsunami has mostly israelis (infected ones) ~15% all the others have mostly trance family, and 10% ravers at the MOST. and not often not american ones, but eastern european ones. this number goes down the further underground you get. considering there is ~1500 trance people who never go to raves, and there are at least 25,000 rave kids in the greater ny area who generally don't even know about trance parties, that's all pretty striking. >our parties draw the rave kids all the party promoters in New York are guilty of this 52 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] ravers From: "Jason Sannachan" As long as our events are promoted thru major retail stores and the smaller indie stores we will continue to get a rising % of leper types arriving at events, Throb satellite vinyl market, that crap raver store on 8th street lab somthing or other all carry flyers for the parties and as long as this happens the raver attendance will rise I even saw one particular promoter going to a full on ''caffeine'' rave and giving out shitloads of flyers even our israelian connection do this but they manage to scare most of them off:O) It seems like a solution is the ultimate goal of this and ''TWEAK THE RETARD'' was simply the beginning of a issue concerning our communities welfare. Jeff maybe we should really check our mailing lists too and filter out potential threats as well. People should be most wary of who they invite e.g(Jeff you know exactly what I mean here) a certain Nordic lady who I knew very very well had this really enthusiastic habit of inviting every alien in the world if they looked kooky enough'' that sort of shit has to stop. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:43 PM Subject: [NYC604] ravers with all due respect i disagree. The only parties with lots of ravers is the synthetic parties - ~20% tsunami has mostly israelis (infected ones) ~15% all the others have mostly trance family, and 10% ravers at the MOST. and not often not american ones, but eastern european ones. this number goes down the further underground you get. considering there is ~1500 trance people who never go to raves, and there are at least 25,000 rave kids in the greater ny area who generally don't even know about trance parties, that's all pretty striking. >our parties draw the rave kids all the party promoters in New York are guilty of this 53 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:20:39 Subject: Hey about ravers and Tweak From: "krsnalotus" Jason your right, the kid has his own shit to worry abou, lets consider this we all might have been ravers or are in some way or another. To each his own, but for the sake of definitions a trance party qualify's as a rave, but not the other way around, in laymans terms. ok But we who are old school and who have been into trance since the early 90's, know better, transend dance ie. well if this is an arguement, this means that our crowd are fools and should come together and plan better, but we've all heard that before, weres the unity., wheres the beef, Allrighty Nick who ever you are worry about your own grammar, if you dont know me personally thats your problem your gonna live with my bad spellings, f off. It funny how all these people who have been into What i call Goa now call psytrance seem to know everything. Stay tuned for the first psytrance tracks from KAMAL aka (dj) dragonlotus (india/south afica) dragontribe liquid lotus studios nj krsnalotus 973 626 8281 tech. writer gemini sound products geminidj dragontribe 54 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak From: "Jason Sannachan" Ok not taking much of what you said to heart I have never been a raver. I have always been a techno/trance head but that stems back to the criminal justice bill etc. Being a party person does not define one as a raver. Ravers in general are a complete pain in the ass. I played with Shiva Chandra in Philadelphia and a raver came up to me screaming fucking blah blah blah snort blah and blowing his whistle in my face have you any idea what it feels like to be trippin full on and trying to play and visioning his whistle becoming jammed in his larynx it is truly most disturbing and I put that down to my lack of tolerence for the candy kids today:O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: krsnalotus [krsnalotus ] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak Jason your right, the kid has his own shit to worry abou, lets consider this we all might have been ravers or are in some way or another. To each his own, but for the sake of definitions a trance party qualify's as a rave, but not the other way around, in laymans terms. ok But we who are old school and who have been into trance since the early 90's, know better, transend dance ie. well if this is an arguement, this means that our crowd are fools and should come together and plan better, but we've all heard that before, weres the unity., wheres the beef, Allrighty Nick who ever you are worry about your own grammar, if you dont know me personally thats your problem your gonna live with my bad spellings, f off. It funny how all these people who have been into What i call Goa now call psytrance seem to know everything. Stay tuned for the first psytrance tracks from KAMAL aka (dj) dragonlotus (india/south afica) dragontribe liquid lotus studios nj krsnalotus 973 626 8281 tech. writer gemini sound products geminidj dragontribe 55 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:26:03 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak From: projectutopia In a message dated 9/25/02 5:03:00 PM Time, js at studiodistribution writes: > candy > kids today:O) > your not a candy kid, but face it your a raver, you have the ideal party in your vision and warehouse, outdoor area filled with people "a rave", you go tot he party to dance all night and party, rave the night away, you take A or do k, but your not an immature druggie. You enjoy partying, raving, your a raver. But you wear tight colored clothing or just jeans and a dress shirt, but your there to rave the night away. like it or not your a raver. your not acandy kid idiot, or a raver new jack, but you rave with your trance, with your tekno. .foodstampz. www.renegadevirus.org In a message dated 9/25/02 5:03:00 PM Time, js at studiodistribution writes: candy kids today:O) your not a candy kid, but face it your a raver, you have the ideal party in your vision and warehouse, outdoor area filled with people "a rave", you go tot he party to dance all night and party, rave the night away, you take A or do k, but your not an immature druggie. You enjoy partying, raving, your a raver. But you wear tight colored clothing or just jeans and a dress shirt, but your there to rave the night away. like it or not your a raver. your not acandy kid idiot, or a raver new jack, but you rave with your trance, with your tekno. .foodstampz. www.renegadevirus.org 56 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak To: From: Alex Sidtis I promote all kinds of parties from trance to house parties, live shows and I have been associated with raves in the past. I will tell you this I met that tweak kid at one of the Countdown parties in Staten Island. We came over on the Ferry together he was nodding off cuz he took some H before waiting for the ferry. So here was some drugged out raver trying to eat pizza that he bought at the SI Ferry at 1am and me. I was hauling 2,000 Paul Oakenfold sampler cassettes and a box of Lotus magazines. We boarded the ferry he disappeared. When it came time to get off the ferry he helped me carry the magazines down the stairs to the train, and from the train to the venue, I was amazed the kid could stand let alone carry somthing -but hey at least I gave him somthing to read. The party was filled with kids on drugs. They came from Staten Island, Connecticut and all the places I normally wouldn't be caught dead. It sucked. It sucked. It sucked. Tweak and I reunited later outside. I was promoting inside for sometime but the music drove me crazy, I think it was The Dever, preferring the fresh air (or whatever they call it in SI) to the dip induced nightmare inside... I even saw one young man burn his eyebrows off after lighting a fresh dip. So Tweak comes up to me and begins to tell me about how the BTS robbed him and beat him up, and now he has only a little bit of weed left and he knows this girl inside who will hook him up but he's afraid .yada yada yada then out come the BTS. This kid was standing behind me, using me as a shield as he cowered. BTS they always leave me alone, I always figure there like bounces that way if your there to work your not a problem... besides I wouldn't go down without a wicked fight. They harassed him for a while then went to the parking lot to break into someone's car or somthing. When they left I asked him why he came to raves if he was always going to end up beaten up or afraid to listen to the music he replied "it's a good time" There was a time when Rave and Underground were united, now it's an excuse for 2bit promoters and shady dealers to get we in some ignorant 16 year old. Despite all this I will still be going to Boo. On 9/25/02 5:01 PM, "Jason Sannachan" wrote: > Ok not taking much of what you said to heart I have never been a raver. > I have always been a techno/trance head but that stems back to the criminal > justice bill etc. > Being a party person does not define one as a raver. > Ravers in general are a complete pain in the ass. > I played with Shiva Chandra in Philadelphia and a raver came up to me > screaming fucking blah blah blah snort blah and blowing his whistle in my > face have you any idea what it feels like to be trippin full on and trying > to play and visioning his whistle becoming jammed in his larynx it is truly > most disturbing and I put that down to my lack of tolerence for the candy > kids today:O) > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > 57 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak From: "Jason Sannachan" Obviously in America your definition of party person is raver & I am damn sorry for you but when we brought our scene over here we did not bring it with the intention that people would turn a very special sound and event into some dirty K & mth session. Raver kids generally have no respect for space provided for party or the people and I will say to you what I am about to repeat to Alex fucking BTS..your rave scene your people your BTS. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak In a message dated 9/25/02 5:03:00 PM Time, js at studiodistribution writes: candy kids today:O) your not a candy kid, but face it your a raver, you have the ideal party in your vision and warehouse, outdoor area filled with people "a rave", you go tot he party to dance all night and party, rave the night away, you take A or do k, but your not an immature druggie. You enjoy partying, raving, your a raver. But you wear tight colored clothing or just jeans and a dress shirt, but your there to rave the night away. like it or not your a raver. your not acandy kid idiot, or a raver new jack, but you rave with your trance, with your tekno. .foodstampz. www.renegadevirus.org Lesh Obviously in Ame rica your definition of party person is raver & I am damn sorry for you but when we brought our scene over here we did not bring it with the inten tion that people would turn a very special sound and event into some dirty K & mth session. Raver kids generally have no respect for space provided for party or the pe ople and I will say to you what I am about to repeat to Alex fucking BTS 230;your rave scene your people your BTS. Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodist ribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-- From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Wednesday, September 25 , 2002 5:26 PM To: NYC60 4 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak In a message dated 9/25/02 5:03:00 PM Eas tern Daylight Time, js at studiodistribution writes: candy kids today:O) your not a candy kid, but face it your a raver, you have the i deal party in your vision and warehouse, outdoor area filled with people &q uot;a rave", you go tot he party to dance all night and party, rave t he night away, you take A or do k, but your not an immature drugg ie. You enjoy partying , raving, your a raver. But you wear tight color ed clothing or just jeans and a dress shirt, but your there to rave the nig ht away. like it or not your a raver. your not acandy kid idiot , or a raver new jack, but you rave with your trance, with your tekno. .foodstampz. www.renegadevirus.org 58 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak From: "Jason Sannachan" Alex Chris liberator is playing at boo isn't he?????? I must admit even for trancey kids the liberator crew kick ass Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Alex Sidtis [alex at 4pt0 ] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak I promote all kinds of parties from trance to house parties, live shows and I have been associated with raves in the past. I will tell you this I met that tweak kid at one of the Countdown parties in Staten Island. We came over on the Ferry together he was nodding off cuz he took some H before waiting for the ferry. So here was some drugged out raver trying to eat pizza that he bought at the SI Ferry at 1am and me. I was hauling 2,000 Paul Oakenfold sampler cassettes and a box of Lotus magazines. We boarded the ferry he disappeared. When it came time to get off the ferry he helped me carry the magazines down the stairs to the train, and from the train to the venue, I was amazed the kid could stand let alone carry somthing -but hey at least I gave him somthing to read. The party was filled with kids on drugs. They came from Staten Island, Connecticut and all the places I normally wouldn't be caught dead. It sucked. It sucked. It sucked. Tweak and I reunited later outside. I was promoting inside for sometime but the music drove me crazy, I think it was The Dever, preferring the fresh air (or whatever they call it in SI) to the dip induced nightmare inside... I even saw one young man burn his eyebrows off after lighting a fresh dip. So Tweak comes up to me and begins to tell me about how the BTS robbed him and beat him up, and now he has only a little bit of weed left and he knows this girl inside who will hook him up but he's afraid .yada yada yada then out come the BTS. This kid was standing behind me, using me as a shield as he cowered. BTS they always leave me alone, I always figure there like bounces that way if your there to work your not a problem... besides I wouldn't go down without a wicked fight. They harassed him for a while then went to the parking lot to break into someone's car or somthing. When they left I asked him why he came to raves if he was always going to end up beaten up or afraid to listen to the music he replied "it's a good time" There was a time when Rave and Underground were united, now it's an excuse for 2bit promoters and shady dealers to get we in some ignorant 16 year old. Despite all this I will still be going to Boo. On 9/25/02 5:01 PM, "Jason Sannachan" wrote: > Ok not taking much of what you said to heart I have never been a raver. > I have always been a techno/trance head but that stems back to the criminal > justice bill etc. > Being a party person does not define one as a raver. > Ravers in general are a complete pain in the ass. > I played with Shiva Chandra in Philadelphia and a raver came up to me > screaming fucking blah blah blah snort blah and blowing his whistle in my > face have you any idea what it feels like to be trippin full on and trying > to play and visioning his whistle becoming jammed in his larynx it is truly > most disturbing and I put that down to my lack of tolerence for the candy > kids today:O) > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > 59 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak To: From: Alex Sidtis I don't think Chris Liberator is at Boo this year. He's awsome Honestly I'm going to see Biohazard. I hope there's a pit and I hope someone throws Tweak and a few BTS in it. Ggggggrrrrrrr On 9/25/02 5:38 PM, "Jason Sannachan" wrote: > Alex Chris liberator is playing at boo isn't he?????? > I must admit even for trancey kids the liberator crew kick ass > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > 60 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:45:31 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak From: krsnalotus everybody doent qualify but that doesnt meen you have to have a whistle or a pacifier or drees like them etc. I still feel like trance heads or somewhat related to or a different kind of breed of ravers the zippies the trance hippies. but again to his own or opinion/onion done peace om nama shiva I love shiva chandra it means shiva moon and if i ever find the ashol who stole the cd that daniel vernuft gave me you gonna pay at the affter hours after the shivachandra roxy party gods flower kamal(lotus) everybody doent qualify but that doesnt meen you have to have a whistle or a pacifier or drees like them etc. I still feel like trance heads or somewhat related to or a different kind of breed of ravers the zippies the trance hippies. but again to his own or opinion/onion done peace om nama shiva I love shiva chandra it means shiva moon and if i ever find the ashol who stole the cd that daniel vernuft gave me you gonna pay at the affter hours after the shivachandra roxy party gods flower kamal(lotus) 61 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:48:19 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak From: Machinelf i'm pissed that the one "scene" that took Tweak in was the kind one, one that didn't beat him up, he sold out for infamy. He coulda gone to a rave but nooooooooo. That's like getting busted and turning in the sweetest gentle old hippie you know - not the neighborhood bully - so as to get off. It's also fucked up because nobody would have cared had it been at a rave. 62 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak From: "Jason Sannachan" Sounds like a very good plan mate !!!!!!!!!!!!! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Alex Sidtis [alex at 4pt0 ] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak I don't think Chris Liberator is at Boo this year. He's awsome Honestly I'm going to see Biohazard. I hope there's a pit and I hope someone throws Tweak and a few BTS in it. Ggggggrrrrrrr On 9/25/02 5:38 PM, "Jason Sannachan" wrote: > Alex Chris liberator is playing at boo isn't he?????? > I must admit even for trancey kids the liberator crew kick ass > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > 63 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:22:59 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak From: krsnalotus not mine man not mine man 64 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:49:45 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak From: XDreamer123 Jeff, That's exactly what I've been telling you before, about OmniTribe party back in July with some strange people there who obviously didn't belong. However, it saddens my heart to see so much division in the electronic scene. We all know what needs to be done, i.e. limit the spreading of information about our events, however it is still sad that we must do it. I am also afraid that if trance movement doesn't grow, it will disappear. If we begin to separate ravers from trancers, then pretty soon we will start separating Goa Trancers from Full On trancers and who knows where it might lead us. On the other hand, it may well be the only way to protect ourselves from idiots. "Lucky is the man who manages to avoid fools in his life" - Buddah 65 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:51:33 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey about ravers and Tweak From: XDreamer123 "C'mon you raver, you seer of visions ... and shine" :) 66 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:58:15 Subject: Check out Psy Trance NYC From: XDreamer123 Click here: Psy Trance NYC Click here: Psy Trance NYC 67 Subject: wtf.??? From: Paul Smith sup? Look I have a few things to say... Would you people listen to yourselves.. The first thing i ever lurned from being apart of the psy-trance scene was open your mind.. accept new ideas.. be nonjudgmental.. find enlightenment.. out of 2500 "ravers", one little shit does a few bumps of K on camera and your ready to eliminate every "raver" in existance... who can honestly sit in there seats and say that they go to a party and stay sober the entire time.. what, your better then someone else because you eat L and take unknown compinations of drugs that you call extacy instead of smoking a dippie... thurther more.. most ppl i know who go to psy-trance partys were talking MAD shit about SS as of just a few months ago... practice what you preach... if it wern't for the "rave" sceen i would have never even found psy-trance.. and i've been going to psy-trance partys sence '95.. back when it was still called GOA, and we were partying under the goerge washington bridge.. i still go to other style partys (because i choose to not close my mind to just psy-trance).. but i dont' go to massives.. i won't go to boo 7.. that's not my thing... accept all people as equal.. if your looking to have a selective type of party, with select people.. do it at home... or don't go to massives like the SS partys.. SS isn't a trance party.. it's a RAVE... the israli trance party on the 9th was a trance-dance-party... BTS dosn't go to small gatherings... you'll never see them at opium den... you must keep in mind the difference between "PUBLIC" and "UNDERGROUND"... at public partys anyone who knows about it has the full right to be there.. asshole or not... "UNDERGROUND" is a different story... it's promoted to tighter circles... all i'm saying is this.. the point of the psy-trance sceen is trancendance... none of you are accomplishing that by passing judgment on others... "evolution through diversity... over specialize and die in weakness" -ghost in the shell... how can any of us obtain knowledge if you dont pass what we allready know on to others??? growth occures through the reinforcement of the basics.. all i herd in the past 20 e-mails was ignerance... believe me.. i do place psy-heads in a class above all "ravers"... which is why we should welcome people on an individual level into the scene. but if they happen to find there own way there.. would that not be the collective showing them a door towards enlightenment?? tweek is not different then jeff going on MTV and saying (jeff i concider you a friend but you can check you tape of mtv and tell me i'm wrong) "and the little kids that want to come and do lots of drugs, so they don't have to think. so ya, we have our own sceen"... or moby doing a movie track because quote "i figured if i didn't do it, someone else would, and who know how that might have turned out." shit.. i've seen some prity shady ppl at bridge partys... what if mtv/vh1 ended up there.. now that would be an entirely different story... that's our scene.. not SS throwing massives to 10,000 kids.... please don't get me wrong.. tweek doing what he did is fucked up... it makes the various party sceens look bad for everyone.. not just us psy-heads.... but he has the right to do what he did.. he didn't show off the trance sceen.. he did what has been done hundreds of time before.. went on camera and acknowledged "this is what is what".. and showed the world what the massive/rave/party sceen is all about... i have mad love for all of you.. and every person i meet.. but psy-trance heads are the least willing to let someone new into there world of enlightenment... that's not enlightenment.. damb.. even christianity keeps it's doors open to even the cuerious.. vh1 wanted a story from a specific angle and out of the 10,000 kids who go to SS.. they found tweek.. i say we just shoot him.. and everyone else who dosn't fit exactly into the mold of the psy-head. whatever the fuck that's suposed to mean... let the media do what they want.. they always have and always will... we as a community know the deal.. they havn't shut us down yet.. and never will... -paul. 68 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:23:52 Subject: Traving? From: Machinelf one person all fucked up in front of a camera talking about an unnamed "scene" is one thing.. it's another thing entirely to do that standing front of a logo. i know this isn't an argument, but it doesn't take someone with a degree in advertising - which I have :) - to understand the difference. If Tweak didn't know what he was doing, then why did VH1 also film him going to rehab? It's not like he staked them out. ...and it's another thing entirely to mention TRANCE. The meaning of the word "TRANCE" right now is being associated with "RAVE" When cops have encountered TRANCE they have traditionally let us go. When they encounter RAVE they traditionally throw down the gauntlet. Unfair? Maybe. But it's still a distinction that has enabled a scene to flourish even in the absence of psychoactives. 69 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Traving? From: Jacob Sabat Is there psy trance at opium den tonite? Machinelf wrote:one person all fucked up in front of a camera talking about an unnamed "scene" is one thing.. it's another thing entirely to do that standing front of a logo. i know this isn't an argument, but it doesn't take someone with a degree in advertising - which I have :) - to understand the difference. If Tweak didn't know what he was doing, then why did VH1 also film him going to rehab? It's not like he staked them out. ...and it's another thing entirely to mention TRANCE. The meaning of the word "TRANCE" right now is being associated with "RAVE" When cops have encountered TRANCE they have traditionally let us go. When they encounter RAVE they traditionally throw down the gauntlet. Unfair? Maybe. But it's still a distinction that has enabled a scene to flourish even in the absence of psychoactives. Is there psy trance at opium den tonite? Machinelf wrote: 70 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:47:55 Subject: Re: Check out Psy Trance NYC From: "ooaurora" --- In NYC604 at y..., XDreamer123 at a... wrote: > Click here: Psy Trance NYC this is a good idea.. though.. not everyone has aol.. we should start using the "chat" feature of yahoo groups though... -paul. 71 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:06:48 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Traving? From: projectutopia In a message dated 9/25/02 10:25:29 PM Time, Machinelf writes: > > one person all fucked up in front of a camera talking about an unnamed > "scene" is one thing.. > it's another thing entirely to do that standing front of a logo. > i know this isn't an argument, but it doesn't take someone with a degree in > > advertising - which I have :) - to understand the difference. > If Tweak didn't know what he was doing, then why did VH1 also film him > going > to rehab? It's not like he staked them out. > ...and it's another thing entirely to mention TRANCE. The meaning of the > word "TRANCE" right now is being associated with "RAVE" > When cops have encountered TRANCE they have traditionally let us go. When > they encounter RAVE they traditionally throw down the gauntlet i know a girl olga, from bts. dont worry i dont relay anything to her that goes on iin the underground, jeff could verify that becuase we do our own underground illegal and travelling soundsystem autonomous events around nyc. anyways she told me she was in the video also and they filmed al them and they all want to fuk tweak up and al this violence against tweak. hahaha. goatranceer's' and bts all want to beat up one kid. that not the issue here though is it jeff. this is more of a problem to deal with, and im glad this forum came up to discuss this issue, it seems everyone has biased opinions, wich we might be able to solve here, since we are the organizers ov allot of what goes on in nyc.!! charlie. In a message dated 9/25/02 10:25:29 PM Time, Machinelf writes: one person all fucked up in front of a camera talking about an unnamed "scene" is one thing.. it's another thing entirely to do that standing front of a logo. i know this isn't an argument, but it doesn't take someone with a degree in advertising - which I have :) - to understand the difference. If Tweak didn't know what he was doing, then why did VH1 also film him going to rehab? It's not like he staked them out. ...and it's another thing entirely to mention TRANCE. The meaning of the word "TRANCE" right now is being associated with "RAVE" When cops have encountered TRANCE they have traditionally let us go. When they encounter RAVE they traditionally throw down the gauntlet i know a girl olga, from bts. dont worry i dont relay anything to her that goes on iin the underground, jeff could verify that becuase we do our own underground illegal and travelling soundsystem autonomous events around nyc. anyways she told me she was in the video also and they filmed al them and they all want to fuk tweak up and al this violence against tweak. hahaha. goatranceer's' and bts all want to beat up one kid. that not the issue here though is it jeff. this is more of a problem to deal with, and im glad this forum came up to discuss this issue, it seems everyone has biased opinions, wich we might be able to solve here, since we are the organizers ov allot of what goes on in nyc.!! charlie. 72 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] wtf.??? From: "Jason Sannachan" Paul all this is most interesting but we were the people who threw the parties back then when it was still called goa. Everything you have to say stems down to being a pretty valid statement but we all worked pretty damn hard to Create a style for NY party people and having undesireable vibe killers turning up and destroying our space and Effort and not giving a fuck about the energy blackened by it leads me to tell you to really know what you are talking About before you shoot your mouth off. I have worked alongside Gilles since day one and to be straight up with you mate FUCK tweak he is a retard and fuck all The people who take our open values and shite all over them. I am very happy that you have managed to be part of our culture since 1995 but if you remember our parties then compared to The parties now don't you find it more regressive than progressive that is the point of what we do ''from our minds to yours'' Continually educating ourselves to the point of absolute freedom. But as long as people take that away and hammer another nail in the coffin of trance you will find us to be negative about bad seeds And if you also spent time outside the US going to the early parties back in 1991/1992 you would also understand there is a huge difference between a Trance party and a rave ''. Cheers Jason (SUBTLECHAOS/SUPERCORE) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Paul Smith [ooaurora ] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: [NYC604] wtf.??? sup? Look I have a few things to say... Would you people listen to yourselves.. The first thing i ever lurned from being apart of the psy-trance scene was open your mind.. accept new ideas.. be nonjudgmental.. find enlightenment.. out of 2500 "ravers", one little shit does a few bumps of K on camera and your ready to eliminate every "raver" in existance... who can honestly sit in there seats and say that they go to a party and stay sober the entire time.. what, your better then someone else because you eat L and take unknown compinations of drugs that you call extacy instead of smoking a dippie... thurther more.. most ppl i know who go to psy-trance partys were talking MAD shit about SS as of just a few months ago... practice what you preach... if it wern't for the "rave" sceen i would have never even found psy-trance.. and i've been going to psy-trance partys sence '95.. back when it was still called GOA, and we were partying under the goerge washington bridge.. i still go to other style partys (because i choose to not close my mind to just psy-trance).. but i dont' go to massives.. i won't go to boo 7.. that's not my thing... accept all people as equal.. if your looking to have a selective type of party, with select people.. do it at home... or don't go to massives like the SS partys.. SS isn't a trance party.. it's a RAVE... the israli trance party on the 9th was a trance-dance-party... BTS dosn't go to small gatherings... you'll never see them at opium den... you must keep in mind the difference between "PUBLIC" and "UNDERGROUND"... at public partys anyone who knows about it has the full right to be there.. asshole or not... "UNDERGROUND" is a different story... it's promoted to tighter circles... all i'm saying is this.. the point of the psy-trance sceen is trancendance... none of you are accomplishing that by passing judgment on others... "evolution through diversity... over specialize and die in weakness" -ghost in the shell... how can any of us obtain knowledge if you dont pass what we allready know on to others??? growth occures through the reinforcement of the basics.. all i herd in the past 20 e-mails was ignerance... believe me.. i do place psy-heads in a class above all "ravers"... which is why we should welcome people on an individual level into the scene. but if they happen to find there own way there.. would that not be the collective showing them a door towards enlightenment?? tweek is not different then jeff going on MTV and saying (jeff i concider you a friend but you can check you tape of mtv and tell me i'm wrong) "and the little kids that want to come and do lots of drugs, so they don't have to think. so ya, we have our own sceen"... or moby doing a movie track because quote "i figured if i didn't do it, someone else would, and who know how that might have turned out." shit.. i've seen some prity shady ppl at bridge partys... what if mtv/vh1 ended up there.. now that would be an entirely different story... that's our scene.. not SS throwing massives to 10,000 kids.... please don't get me wrong.. tweek doing what he did is fucked up... it makes the various party sceens look bad for everyone.. not just us psy-heads.... but he has the right to do what he did.. he didn't show off the trance sceen.. he did what has been done hundreds of time before.. went on camera and acknowledged "this is what is what".. and showed the world what the massive/rave/party sceen is all about... i have mad love for all of you.. and every person i meet.. but psy-trance heads are the least willing to let someone new into there world of enlightenment... that's not enlightenment.. damb.. even christianity keeps it's doors open to even the cuerious.. vh1 wanted a story from a specific angle and out of the 10,000 kids who go to SS.. they found tweek.. i say we just shoot him.. and everyone else who dosn't fit exactly into the mold of the psy-head. whatever the fuck that's suposed to mean... let the media do what they want.. they always have and always will... we as a community know the deal.. they havn't shut us down yet.. and never will... -paul. _____ Lesh Paul all this is most interesting but we were the people who threw the parties back then when it was still called g oa. Everything you h ave to say stems down to being a pretty valid statement but we all worked p retty damn hard to Cr eate a style for NY party people and having undesireable vibe killers turni ng up and destroying our space and Effort and not giving a fuck about the energy blackened by it leads me to tell you to really know what you are talking About before you shoot your mouth off. I have worked alongsid e Gilles since day one and to be straight up with you mate FUCK tweak he is a retard and fuck all The people who take our open values and shite all over them. I am very happy that you have manag ed to be part of our culture since 1995 but if you remember our parties the n compared to The part ies now dont you find it more regressive than progressive that is th e point of what we do ;from our minds to yours Continually educating o urselves to the point of absolute freedom. But as long as people take that away and hammer anot her nail in the coffin of trance you will find us to be negative about bad seeds And if you also spent time outside the US going to the early parties back in 1991/1992 you would also understand there is a huge difference between a Trance party and a rave ;. Cheers Jason (SUBTLECHAOS/SUPERCORE) &nbs Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution.c om '' DILLIGAFF'' - ----Original Message--From: Paul Smith [ooaurora ] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: [NYC604] wtf.??? sup? LookI have a few things to say... Would you people listen to yourselves.. The first thing i ever lurned from being apart of the psy-t rance scene was open your mind.. accept new ideas.. be nonjudgmental.. find enlightenment..out of 2500 "ravers", one little shit does a few bumps of K on camera and your ready to eliminate every "ra ver" in existance... who can honestly sit in there seats and say that they go to a party and stay sober the entire time.. what, your better then someone else because you eat L and take unknown compinations of drugs tha t you call extacy instead of smoking a dippie... thurther more.. most ppl i know who go to psy-trance partys were talking MAD shit about SS as of just a few months ago... practice what you preach... if it wern't for the " ;rave" sceen i would have never even found psy-trance.. and i've been going to psy-trance partys sence '95.. back when it was still called GOA, a nd we were partying under the goerge washington bridge.. i still go t o other style partys (because i choose to not close my mind to just psy-tra nce).. but i dont' go to massives.. i won't go to boo 7.. that's not my thi ng... accept all people as equal.. if your looking to have a selective type of party, with select people.. do it at home... or don't go to massives li ke the SS partys.. SS isn't a trance party.. it's a RAVE... the israli tranparty on the 9th was a trance-dance-party... BTS dosn't go to small gath erings... you'll never see them at opium den... you must keep in mind the d ifference between "PUBLIC" and "UNDERGROUND"... at publ ic partys anyone who knows about it has the full right to be there.. asshol e or not... "UNDERGROUND" is a different story... it's prom oted to tighter circles... all i'm saying is this.. the point of the psy-trance sceen is trancendance... none of you are accomplishing tha t by passing judgment on others... "evolution through diversity. .. over specialize and die in weakness" -ghost in the shell... how can any of us obtain knowledge if you dont pass what we allready know on to ot hers??? growth occures through the reinforcement of the basics.. all i herd in the past 20 e-mails was ignerance... believe me.. i do place psy-heads in a class above all "ravers"... which is why we should welcome p eople on an individual level into the scene. but if they happen to fi nd there own way there.. would that not be the collective showing them a do or towards enlightenment?? tweek is not different then jeff going on MTV an d saying (jeff i concider you a friend but youcan check you tape of m tv and tell me i'm wrong) "and the little kids that want to come and d o lots of drugs, so they don't have to think. so ya,we have our own sceen"... or moby doing a movie track because quote "i figur ed if i didn't do it, someone else would, and who know how that might have turned out." shit.. i've seen some prity shady ppl at bridge par tys... what if mtv/vh1 ended up there.. now that would be an entirely diffe rent story... that's our scene.. not SS throwing massives to 10,000 kids... . please don't get me wrong.. tweek doing what he did is fucked up... it ma kes the various party sceens look bad for everyone.. not just us psy-heads. ... but he has the right to do what he did.. he didn't show off the trance sceen.. he did what has been done hundreds of time before.. went on camera and acknowledged "this is what is what".. and showed the world wh at the massive/rave/party sceen is all about... i have mad love for all of you.. and every person i meet.. but psy-trance heads are the least willing to let someone new into there world of enlightenment... that's not enlighte nment.. damb.. even christianity keeps it's doors open to even the cuerious .. vh1 wanted a story from a specific angle and out of the 10,000 kids who go to SS.. they found tweek.. i say we just shoot him.. and everyone else w ho dosn't fit exactly into the mold of the psy-head. whatever the fuck that 's suposed to mean... let the media do what they want.. they always h ave and always will... we as a community know the deal.. they havn't shut u s down yet.. and never will... -paul. New DSL Interne t NYC604 73 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] wtf.??? From: "Jason Sannachan" And no remarks about the punctuation my outlook is all bollocked up. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: RE: [NYC604] wtf.??? Paul all this is most interesting but we were the people who threw the parties back then when it was still called goa. Everything you have to say stems down to being a pretty valid statement but we all worked pretty damn hard to Create a style for NY party people and having undesireable vibe killers turning up and destroying our space and Effort and not giving a fuck about the energy blackened by it leads me to tell you to really know what you are talking About before you shoot your mouth off. I have worked alongside Gilles since day one and to be straight up with you mate FUCK tweak he is a retard and fuck all The people who take our open values and shite all over them. I am very happy that you have managed to be part of our culture since 1995 but if you remember our parties then compared to The parties now don't you find it more regressive than progressive that is the point of what we do ''from our minds to yours'' Continually educating ourselves to the point of absolute freedom. But as long as people take that away and hammer another nail in the coffin of trance you will find us to be negative about bad seeds And if you also spent time outside the US going to the early parties back in 1991/1992 you would also understand there is a huge difference between a Trance party and a rave ''. Cheers Jason (SUBTLECHAOS/SUPERCORE) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Paul Smith [ooaurora ] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: [NYC604] wtf.??? sup? Look I have a few things to say... Would you people listen to yourselves.. The first thing i ever lurned from being apart of the psy-trance scene was open your mind.. accept new ideas.. be nonjudgmental.. find enlightenment.. out of 2500 "ravers", one little shit does a few bumps of K on camera and your ready to eliminate every "raver" in existance... who can honestly sit in there seats and say that they go to a party and stay sober the entire time.. what, your better then someone else because you eat L and take unknown compinations of drugs that you call extacy instead of smoking a dippie... thurther more.. most ppl i know who go to psy-trance partys were talking MAD shit about SS as of just a few months ago... practice what you preach... if it wern't for the "rave" sceen i would have never even found psy-trance.. and i've been going to psy-trance partys sence '95.. back when it was still called GOA, and we were partying under the goerge washington bridge.. i still go to other style partys (because i choose to not close my mind to just psy-trance).. but i dont' go to massives.. i won't go to boo 7.. that's not my thing... accept all people as equal.. if your looking to have a selective type of party, with select people.. do it at home... or don't go to massives like the SS partys.. SS isn't a trance party.. it's a RAVE... the israli trance party on the 9th was a trance-dance-party... BTS dosn't go to small gatherings... you'll never see them at opium den... you must keep in mind the difference between "PUBLIC" and "UNDERGROUND"... at public partys anyone who knows about it has the full right to be there.. asshole or not... "UNDERGROUND" is a different story... it's promoted to tighter circles... all i'm saying is this.. the point of the psy-trance sceen is trancendance... none of you are accomplishing that by passing judgment on others... "evolution through diversity... over specialize and die in weakness" -ghost in the shell... how can any of us obtain knowledge if you dont pass what we allready know on to others??? growth occures through the reinforcement of the basics.. all i herd in the past 20 e-mails was ignerance... believe me.. i do place psy-heads in a class above all "ravers"... which is why we should welcome people on an individual level into the scene. but if they happen to find there own way there.. would that not be the collective showing them a door towards enlightenment?? tweek is not different then jeff going on MTV and saying (jeff i concider you a friend but you can check you tape of mtv and tell me i'm wrong) "and the little kids that want to come and do lots of drugs, so they don't have to think. so ya, we have our own sceen"... or moby doing a movie track because quote "i figured if i didn't do it, someone else would, and who know how that might have turned out." shit.. i've seen some prity shady ppl at bridge partys... what if mtv/vh1 ended up there.. now that would be an entirely different story... that's our scene.. not SS throwing massives to 10,000 kids.... please don't get me wrong.. tweek doing what he did is fucked up... it makes the various party sceens look bad for everyone.. not just us psy-heads.... but he has the right to do what he did.. he didn't show off the trance sceen.. he did what has been done hundreds of time before.. went on camera and acknowledged "this is what is what".. and showed the world what the massive/rave/party sceen is all about... i have mad love for all of you.. and every person i meet.. but psy-trance heads are the least willing to let someone new into there world of enlightenment... that's not enlightenment.. damb.. even christianity keeps it's doors open to even the cuerious.. vh1 wanted a story from a specific angle and out of the 10,000 kids who go to SS.. they found tweek.. i say we just shoot him.. and everyone else who dosn't fit exactly into the mold of the psy-head. whatever the fuck that's suposed to mean... let the media do what they want.. they always have and always will... we as a community know the deal.. they havn't shut us down yet.. and never will... -paul. _____ Lesh Lesh And no remarks about the punctuation my outlook is all bollocked up. Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studi odistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [m ailto:js at studiodistribution ] Se nt: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: RE: [NYC604] wtf.??? Paul all this is most interesting but we were the peop le who threw the parties back then when it was still called goa. Ever ything you have to say stems down to being a pretty valid statement but we all worked pretty damn hard to Create a style for NY party people an d having undesireable vibe killers turning up and destroying our space and Effort and not giving a fuck about the energy blackened by it leads m e to tell you to really know what you are talking About before you s hoot your mouth off. I have worked alongside Gilles since day one and to be straight up with you mate FUCK tweak he is a retard and fuck all The people who take our open values and shite all over them. I am very happy that you have managed to be part of our culture since 1995 but i f you remember our parties then compared to The parties now don’ ;t you find it more regressive than progressive that is the point of what w e do ;from our minds to yours Continually educating ourselves to the point of absolute freedom. But as long as people take that away and hammer another nail in the coffin of trance you w ill find us to be negative about bad seeds And if you also spent time outside the US going to the early parties back in 1991/1992 you would also understand there is a huge difference between a Trance party and a rave &# 8216;. Cheers Jason (SUBTLECHAOS/SUPERCORE) -s "E-mail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Dis tribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th stre et suite 2r NY NY 10011 1 212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message---- - From: Paul Smith [mail to:ooaurora ] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: [NYC604] wtf.??? sup? LookI have a few things to say... Would you people listen to yourselves.. The first thing i ever lurned from being apart of the psy-trance scene was open your mind.. a ccept new ideas.. be nonjudgmental.. find enlightenment..out of 2500 "ravers", one little shit does a few bumps of K on camera a nd your ready to eliminate every "raver" in existance... who can honestly sit in there seats and say that they go to a party and stay sober the entire time.. what, your better then someone else because you eat L a nd take unknown compinations of drugs that you call extacy instead of smoki ng a dippie... thurther more.. most ppl i know who go to psy-trance partys were talking MAD shit about SS as of just a few months ago... practice what you preach... if it wern't for the "rave" sceen i would have nev er even found psy-trance.. and i've been going to psy-trance partys sence ' 95.. back when it was still called GOA, and we were partying under the goer ge washington bridge.. i still go to other style partys (because i ch oose to not close my mind to just psy-trance).. but i dont' go to massives. . i won't go to boo 7.. that's not my thing... accept all people as equal.. if your looking to have a selective type of party, with select people.. do it at home... or don't go to massives like the SS partys.. SS isn't a tranparty.. it's a RAVE... the israli trance party on the 9th was a trance-d ance-party... BTS dosn't go to small gatherings... you'll never see them at opium den... you must keep in mind the difference between "PUBLIC&quo t; and "UNDERGROUND"... at public partys anyone who knows about i t has the full right to be there.. asshole or not... "UNDERGROUN D" is a different story... it's promoted to tighter circles... a ll i'm saying is this.. the point of the psy-trance sceen is trancendance.. . none of you are accomplishing that by passing judgment on others... "evolution through diversity... over specialize and die in weak ness" -ghost in the shell... how can any of us obtain knowledge if you dont pass what we allready know on to others??? growth occures through the reinforcement of the basics.. all i herd in the past 20 e-mails was ignera nce... believe me.. i do place psy-heads in a class above all "ravers& quot;... which is why we should welcome people on an individual level into the scene. but if they happen to find there own way there.. would tha t not be the collective showing them a door towards enlightenment?? tweek i s not different then jeff going on MTV and saying (jeff i concider you a fr iend but youcan check you tape of mtv and tell me i'm wrong) "an d the little kids that want to come and do lots of drugs, so they don't hav e to think. so ya,we have our own sceen"... or moby doing a movie track because quote "i figured if i didn't do it, someone else would, and who know how that might have turned out." shit.. i'v e seen some prity shady ppl at bridge partys... what if mtv/vh1 ended up th ere.. now that would be an entirely different story... that's our scene.. n ot SS throwing massives to 10,000 kids.... please don't get me wrong.. twee k doing what he did is fucked up... it makes the various party sceens look bad for everyone.. not just us psy-heads.... but he has the right to do wha t he did.. he didn't show off the trance sceen.. he did what has been done hundreds of time before.. went on camera and acknowledged "this is wha t is what".. and showed the world what the massive/rave/party sceen is all about... i have mad love for all of you.. and every person i meet.. bu t psy-trance heads are the least willing to let someone new into there worl d of enlightenment... that's not enlightenment.. damb.. even christianity k eeps it's doors open to even the cuerious.. vh1 wanted a story from a speci fic angle and out of the 10,000 kids who go to SS.. they found tweek.. i sa y we just shoot him.. and everyone else who dosn't fit exactly into the mol d of the psy-head. whatever the fuck that's suposed to mean... let th e media do what they want.. they always have and always will... we as a com munity know the deal.. they havn't shut us down yet.. and never will... -paul. Access from SBC & Yaho o! N Groups is subject to To unsu Terms of Serv ice. 74 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Traving? From: valerio zhyin what the hell is bts???? 75 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Traving? To: From: "B, Nicholas" they're big friends of Jeff's https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /btswatch.html -----Original Message-- From: valerio zhyin [djzhyin ] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:54 PM S ubject: Re: [NYC604] Traving? what the hell is bts???? _____ ADVER TISEMENT ogroups of Message they're big friends of Jeff's https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /btswa tch.html -----Original Message----- From: valerio zhyin [djzhyin ] Sent: Thur sday, September 26, 2002 1:54 PMSubject: Re: [NYC604] Traving? what the hell is bts???? DSL In ternet unsubscrib e from this group, send an email . 76 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Traving? From: valerio zhyin hey all, this distinction between trance parties and raves is an american phenomenon... i'm from brasil and over there raves are trance parties.... hey all, this distinction between trance parties and raves is an american phenomenon... i'm from brasil and over there raves are trance parties.... 77 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Traving? From: "Jason Sannachan" Brooklyn tossa squad Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: valerio zhyin [djzhyin ] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Traving? what the hell is bts???? _____ Lesh Brooklyn tossa squad Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th st reet suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 E XT 43 Js at studi odistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: valerio zhyin [djzhyin ] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1: 54 PM gr oups Subject: Re: [N YC604] Traving? what the he ll is bts???? Your u se of 78 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Traving? From: "Jason Sannachan" Actually mate it is a European thing a rave and a trance party according to the people who created both are completely different worlds. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: valerio zhyin [djzhyin ] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Traving? hey all, this distinction between trance parties and raves is an american phenomenon... i'm from brasil and over there raves are trance parties.... _____ Lesh Actually mate it is a European thing a r ave and a trance party according to the people who created both are complet ely different worlds. AUTOTEXT LIST -s Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message --From: valerio zhyi n [djzhyin ] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Traving? hey all, this distinction between trance par ties and raves is an american phenomenon... i'm from brasil and over there raves are trance parties.... Access from SBC & s 79 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Traving? From: "Jason Sannachan" Actually lets start discussing more important upcoming events,situations I am sick of retorting to everyone About this. Cheers Jason SUBTLECHAOS/SUPERCORE NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS.....? Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: valerio zhyin [djzhyin ] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Traving? hey all, this distinction between trance parties and raves is an american phenomenon... i'm from brasil and over there raves are trance parties.... _____ Lesh Actually lets start discussing more impo rtant upcoming events,situations I am sick of retorting to everyone About this. Cheers Jason SUBTLECHAOS/SUPERCORE NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS..? Signature&quo t; Jason Sannachan Studio Distributi on Chelsea Mar ket 425 west 1 5th street sui te 2r NY NY 10 011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: valerio zhyin [djzhyin ] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2 002 1:58 PM at y ahoogroups Subject: Re: [NYC604] Traving? hey all, this distinction between trance parties and raves is an american phen omenon... i'm from brasil and over there raves are trance parties.... Ya hoo!? To Terms of Service. 80 Subject: new topic From: valerio zhyin hey, i have a new topic, when is somebody from nyc going 2 book me 4 their next party? i really want 2 play at a real trance party in nyc b4 going back 2 brasil in december. my specialty is dark and deep progressive psy ....with low basslines and lots of scary noises... i'm your night time guy......i promise u will not b disappointed..... hey, i have a new topic, when is somebody from nyc going 2 book me 4 their next party? i really want 2 play at a real trance party in nyc b4 going back 2 brasil in december. my specialty is dark and deep progressive psy ....with low basslines and lots of scary noises... i'm your night time guy......i promise u will not b disappointed..... 81 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] new topic From: "Jason Sannachan" That's nice we appreciate night sound what dark sounds do ya spin. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: valerio zhyin [djzhyin ] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: [NYC604] new topic hey, i have a new topic, when is somebody from nyc going 2 book me 4 their next party? i really want 2 play at a real trance party in nyc b4 going back 2 brasil in december. my specialty is dark and deep progressive psy ....with low basslines and lots of scary noises... i'm your night time guy......i promise u will not b disappointed..... _____ Lesh Thats nice we appreciate night so und what dark sounds do ya spin. Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DIL LIGAFF'' - ----Original Message--From: valerio zhyin [djzhyin ] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: [NYC604] new topic hey, i have a new topic, when is somebody from nyc going 2 book me 4 their next party? i really want 2 play at a real trance party in nyc b4 going back 2 brasil in december. my specialty is dark and deep progressiv e psy ....with low basslines and lots of scary noises... i'm your night time guy......i promise u will not b disappointed..... 82 Subject: RE: [NYC604] new topic From: valerio zhyin auricular,intact instinct,tetraktys,pps project,tenka,etc....+ my own tunes 83 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] new topic From: "Jason Sannachan" Nice style SUBTLECHAOS is more on the psy-tek tip (midimiliz,sharpshooter,eargear,leviathan,aon,delta etc etc Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: valerio zhyin [djzhyin ] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] new topic auricular,intact instinct,tetraktys,pps project,tenka,etc....+ my own tunes _____ Lesh Nice style SUBTLECHAOS is more on the ps y-tek tip (midimiliz,sharpshooter,eargear,leviathan,aon,delta etc etc Signa ture" Jason Sanna chan Studio Di stribution Che lsea Market 42 5 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: valerio zhyin [djzhyin. com] Sent: Thursday, Sep tember 26, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] new topic auricular,intact inst inct,tetraktys,pps project,tenka,etc....+ my own tunes New DS L Internet To unsubs Terms of Servic e. 84 Subject: antix & sangeet To: From: steve here's a new topic: antix and dj sangeet at omnitribe this saturday I saw antix at boom! this year and I was flying-turbo-surfboard-dancing forget party politics and just bring the good vibe let them eat spacecakes, steve 85 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" Ahhhh someone with a worthwhile subject Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: steve [steve at state22 ] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: [NYC604] antix & sangeet here's a new topic: antix and dj sangeet at omnitribe this saturday I saw antix at boom! this year and I was flying-turbo-surfboard-dancing forget party politics and just bring the good vibe let them eat spacecakes, steve 86 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:14:08 Subject: Re: wtf.??? From: "ooaurora" Jason, i'm not even going to bother.. your right.. it's "your sceen" that "you" started.. i'm just a "dumb american" who wasn't there from the begining.. just it's birth here in the states.. thank you for proving my point(s).. i think you locked your open mind in a box. and ppl destroying stuff.. need to be delt with by security... and you need to not allow those individuals to ruin your good time.. -paul. --- In NYC604 at y..., "Jason Sannachan" wrote: > Paul all this is most interesting but we were the people who threw the > parties back then when it was still called goa. > Everything you have to say stems down to being a pretty valid statement but > we all worked pretty damn hard to > Create a style for NY party people and having undesireable vibe killers > turning up and destroying our space and > Effort and not giving a fuck about the energy blackened by it leads me to > tell you to really know what you are talking > About before you shoot your mouth off. > I have worked alongside Gilles since day one and to be straight up with you > mate FUCK tweak he is a retard and fuck all > The people who take our open values and shite all over them. > I am very happy that you have managed to be part of our culture since 1995 > but if you remember our parties then compared to > The parties now don't you find it more regressive than progressive that is > the point of what we do ''from our minds to yours'' > Continually educating ourselves to the point of absolute freedom. > But as long as people take that away and hammer another nail in the coffin > of trance you will find us to be negative about bad seeds > And if you also spent time outside the US going to the early parties back in > 1991/1992 you would also understand there is a huge difference between a > Trance party and a rave ''. > Cheers Jason (SUBTLECHAOS/SUPERCORE) > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at s... '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Paul Smith [ooaurora at y...] > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:07 PM > at y... > Subject: [NYC604] wtf.??? > > sup? Look I have a few things to say... Would you people listen to > yourselves.. The first thing i ever lurned from being apart of the > psy-trance scene was open your mind.. accept new ideas.. be nonjudgmental.. > find enlightenment.. out of 2500 "ravers", one little shit does a few bumps > of K on camera and your ready to eliminate every "raver" in existance... who > can honestly sit in there seats and say that they go to a party and stay > sober the entire time.. what, your better then someone else because you eat > L and take unknown compinations of drugs that you call extacy instead of > smoking a dippie... thurther more.. most ppl i know who go to psy- trance > partys were talking MAD shit about SS as of just a few months ago... > practice what you preach... if it wern't for the "rave" sceen i would have > never even found psy-trance.. and i've been going to psy-trance partys sence > '95.. back when it was still called GOA, and we were partying under the > goerge washington bridge.. i still go to other style partys (because i > choose to not close my mind to just psy-trance).. but i dont' go to > massives.. i won't go to boo 7.. that's not my thing... accept all people as > equal.. if your looking to have a selective type of party, with select > people.. do it at home... or don't go to massives like the SS partys.. SS > isn't a trance party.. it's a RAVE... the israli trance party on the 9th was > a trance-dance-party... BTS dosn't go to small gatherings... you'll never > see them at opium den... you must keep in mind the difference between > "PUBLIC" and "UNDERGROUND"... at public partys anyone who knows about it has > the full right to be there.. asshole or not... "UNDERGROUND" is a different > story... it's promoted to tighter circles... all i'm saying is this.. the > point of the psy-trance sceen is trancendance... none of you are > accomplishing that by passing judgment on others... "evolution through > diversity... over specialize and die in weakness" -ghost in the shell... how > can any of us obtain knowledge if you dont pass what we allready know on to > others??? growth occures through the reinforcement of the basics.. all i > herd in the past 20 e-mails was ignerance... believe me.. i do place > psy-heads in a class above all "ravers"... which is why we should welcome > people on an individual level into the scene. but if they happen to find > there own way there.. would that not be the collective showing them a door > towards enlightenment?? tweek is not different then jeff going on MTV and > saying (jeff i concider you a friend but you can check you tape of mtv and > tell me i'm wrong) "and the little kids that want to come and do lots of > drugs, so they don't have to think. so ya, we have our own sceen"... or > moby doing a movie track because quote "i figured if i didn't do it, someone > else would, and who know how that might have turned out." shit.. i've seen > some prity shady ppl at bridge partys... what if mtv/vh1 ended up there.. > now that would be an entirely different story... that's our scene.. not SS > throwing massives to 10,000 kids.... please don't get me wrong.. tweek doing > what he did is fucked up... it makes the various party sceens look bad for > everyone.. not just us psy-heads.... but he has the right to do what he > did.. he didn't show off the trance sceen.. he did what has been done > hundreds of time before.. went on camera and acknowledged "this is what is > what".. and showed the world what the massive/rave/party sceen is all > about... i have mad love for all of you.. and every person i meet.. but > psy-trance heads are the least willing to let someone new into there world > of enlightenment... that's not enlightenment.. damb.. even christianity > keeps it's doors open to even the cuerious.. vh1 wanted a story from a > specific angle and out of the 10,000 kids who go to SS.. they found tweek.. > i say we just shoot him.. and everyone else who dosn't fit exactly into the > mold of the psy-head. whatever the fuck that's suposed to mean... let the > media do what they want.. they always have and always will... we as a > community know the deal.. they havn't shut us down yet.. and never will... -paul. > _____ > from SBC & > 17:HM/A1189558/R0/*http://www.bmgmusic /acq/ee/q6/enroll/mhn/9/> > >Lesh 87 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: wtf.??? From: js at studiodistribution Paul, I did not ask you to bother replying(by the way its scene not sceen) Why do you insist that you are a dumb american obviously you are confused i was actually refering to the birth in the states as you put it i got involved almost 5 years before that but there would be no point in discussing this with you. Now replying to your quote'' people destroying stuff'' i was not refering once again to somthing physical or someones camera or your favourite JANSPORT backpack. i was implying that bad seeds(blah blah blah,tweak,wanker,bts) come and send negative shit(vibes)through our gatherings. Security now there is a interesting issue''dealt with by security''hmmmm....... Only commercial events etc need security a real straight up four to the floor party never needs security. By the way i always have a good time unless the musica is shite. Boom Bulanate paul. Yours sincerely Jason SUBTLECHAOS/SUPERCORE Quoting ooaurora : > Jason, i'm not even going to bother.. your right.. it's "your sceen" > that "you" started.. i'm just a "dumb american" who wasn't there > from the begining.. just it's birth here in the states.. thank you > for proving my point(s).. i think you locked your open mind in a > box. and ppl destroying stuff.. need to be delt with by security... > and you need to not allow those individuals to ruin your good time.. -paul. > > --- In NYC604 at y..., "Jason Sannachan" wrote: > > Paul all this is most interesting but we were the people who threw > the > > parties back then when it was still called goa. > > Everything you have to say stems down to being a pretty valid > statement but > > we all worked pretty damn hard to > > Create a style for NY party people and having undesireable vibe > killers > > turning up and destroying our space and > > Effort and not giving a fuck about the energy blackened by it > leads me to > > tell you to really know what you are talking > > About before you shoot your mouth off. > > I have worked alongside Gilles since day one and to be straight up > with you > > mate FUCK tweak he is a retard and fuck all > > The people who take our open values and shite all over them. > > I am very happy that you have managed to be part of our culture > since 1995 > > but if you remember our parties then compared to > > The parties now don't you find it more regressive than progressive > that is > > the point of what we do ''from our minds to yours'' > > Continually educating ourselves to the point of absolute freedom. > > But as long as people take that away and hammer another nail in > the coffin > > of trance you will find us to be negative about bad seeds > > And if you also spent time outside the US going to the early > parties back in > > 1991/1992 you would also understand there is a huge difference > between a > > Trance party and a rave ''. > > Cheers Jason (SUBTLECHAOS/SUPERCORE) > > > > Jason Sannachan > > Studio Distribution > > Chelsea Market > > 425 west 15th street > > suite 2r > > NY NY 10011 > > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > > Js at s... > '' DILLIGAFF'' > > > > -----Original Message--> > From: Paul Smith [ooaurora at y...] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:07 PM > > at y... > > Subject: [NYC604] wtf.??? > > > > sup? > Look I have a few things to say... Would you people listen > to > > yourselves.. The first thing i ever lurned from being apart of the > > psy-trance scene was open your mind.. accept new ideas.. be > nonjudgmental.. > > find enlightenment.. out of 2500 "ravers", one little shit does a > few bumps > > of K on camera and your ready to eliminate every "raver" in > existance... who > > can honestly sit in there seats and say that they go to a party > and stay > > sober the entire time.. what, your better then someone else > because you eat > > L and take unknown compinations of drugs that you call extacy > instead of > > smoking a dippie... thurther more.. most ppl i know who go to psy- > trance > > partys were talking MAD shit about SS as of just a few months > ago... > > practice what you preach... if it wern't for the "rave" sceen i > would have > > never even found psy-trance.. and i've been going to psy-trance > partys sence > > '95.. back when it was still called GOA, and we were partying > under the > > goerge washington bridge.. i still go to other style partys > (because i > > choose to not close my mind to just psy-trance).. but i dont' go to > > massives.. i won't go to boo 7.. that's not my thing... accept all > people as > > equal.. if your looking to have a selective type of party, with > select > > people.. do it at home... or don't go to massives like the SS > partys.. SS > > isn't a trance party.. it's a RAVE... the israli trance party on > the 9th was > > a trance-dance-party... BTS dosn't go to small gatherings... > you'll never > > see them at opium den... you must keep in mind the difference > between > > "PUBLIC" and "UNDERGROUND"... at public partys anyone who knows > about it has > > the full right to be there.. asshole or not... "UNDERGROUND" is a > different > > story... it's promoted to tighter circles... all i'm saying is > this.. the > > point of the psy-trance sceen is trancendance... none of you are > > accomplishing that by passing judgment on others... "evolution > through > > diversity... over specialize and die in weakness" -ghost in the > shell... how > > can any of us obtain knowledge if you dont pass what we allready > know on to > > others??? growth occures through the reinforcement of the basics.. > all i > > herd in the past 20 e-mails was ignerance... believe me.. i do > place > > psy-heads in a class above all "ravers"... which is why we should > welcome > > people on an individual level into the scene. but if they happen > to find > > there own way there.. would that not be the collective showing > them a door > > towards enlightenment?? tweek is not different then jeff going on > MTV and > > saying (jeff i concider you a friend but you can check you tape of > mtv and > > tell me i'm wrong) "and the little kids that want to come and do > lots of > > drugs, so they don't have to think. so ya, we have our own > sceen"... or > > moby doing a movie track because quote "i figured if i didn't do > it, someone > > else would, and who know how that might have turned out." shit.. > i've seen > > some prity shady ppl at bridge partys... what if mtv/vh1 ended up > there.. > > now that would be an entirely different story... that's our > scene.. not SS > > throwing massives to 10,000 kids.... please don't get me wrong.. > tweek doing > > what he did is fucked up... it makes the various party sceens look > bad for > > everyone.. not just us psy-heads.... but he has the right to do > what he > > did.. he didn't show off the trance sceen.. he did what has been > done > > hundreds of time before.. went on camera and acknowledged "this is > what is > > what".. and showed the world what the massive/rave/party sceen is > all > > about... i have mad love for all of you.. and every person i > meet.. but > > psy-trance heads are the least willing to let someone new into > there world > > of enlightenment... that's not enlightenment.. damb.. even > christianity > > keeps it's doors open to even the cuerious.. vh1 wanted a story > from a > > specific angle and out of the 10,000 kids who go to SS.. they > found tweek.. > > i say we just shoot him.. and everyone else who dosn't fit exactly > into the > > mold of the psy-head. whatever the fuck that's suposed to mean... > let the > > media do what they want.. they always have and always will... we > as a > > community know the deal.. they havn't shut us down yet.. and never > will... > -paul. > > > _____ > > > from SBC & > > > 7053085 > > > 17:HM/A1189558/R0/*http://www.bmgmusic /acq/ee/q6/enroll/mhn/9/> > > > >Lesh> 88 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: wtf.??? From: js at studiodistribution Sorry to bother you again paul but i have one more statement to make bother i put my brain back in its box nice and tight and closed to the wonderful world we live in. ''LOCKED MY OPEN MIND IN A BOX''ooouuuuuch.............maybe you are right it is truly possible but highly doubtful considering my life. I have the most beautiful incredible son who is named tristan and he managed to open my mind more in 5 months than l.s.d,chanting,terrence mckenna spoken word cds or any party i have been to worldwide in the last 10 years. and on a daily basis he opens my mind more & more my son is my sadhu and am becoming more open as every second ticks by. Now remember Paul if you are going to reply again think about what you are going to say i really cannot stand ping pong unless its with a dj. Quoting ooaurora : > Jason, i'm not even going to bother.. your right.. it's "your sceen" > that "you" started.. i'm just a "dumb american" who wasn't there > from the begining.. just it's birth here in the states.. thank you > for proving my point(s).. i think you locked your open mind in a > box. and ppl destroying stuff.. need to be delt with by security... > and you need to not allow those individuals to ruin your good time.. -paul. > > --- In NYC604 at y..., "Jason Sannachan" wrote: > > Paul all this is most interesting but we were the people who threw > the > > parties back then when it was still called goa. > > Everything you have to say stems down to being a pretty valid > statement but > > we all worked pretty damn hard to > > Create a style for NY party people and having undesireable vibe > killers > > turning up and destroying our space and > > Effort and not giving a fuck about the energy blackened by it > leads me to > > tell you to really know what you are talking > > About before you shoot your mouth off. > > I have worked alongside Gilles since day one and to be straight up > with you > > mate FUCK tweak he is a retard and fuck all > > The people who take our open values and shite all over them. > > I am very happy that you have managed to be part of our culture > since 1995 > > but if you remember our parties then compared to > > The parties now don't you find it more regressive than progressive > that is > > the point of what we do ''from our minds to yours'' > > Continually educating ourselves to the point of absolute freedom. > > But as long as people take that away and hammer another nail in > the coffin > > of trance you will find us to be negative about bad seeds > > And if you also spent time outside the US going to the early > parties back in > > 1991/1992 you would also understand there is a huge difference > between a > > Trance party and a rave ''. > > Cheers Jason (SUBTLECHAOS/SUPERCORE) > > > > Jason Sannachan > > Studio Distribution > > Chelsea Market > > 425 west 15th street > > suite 2r > > NY NY 10011 > > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > > Js at s... > '' DILLIGAFF'' > > > > -----Original Message--> > From: Paul Smith [ooaurora at y...] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:07 PM > > at y... > > Subject: [NYC604] wtf.??? > > > > sup? > Look I have a few things to say... Would you people listen > to > > yourselves.. The first thing i ever lurned from being apart of the > > psy-trance scene was open your mind.. accept new ideas.. be > nonjudgmental.. > > find enlightenment.. out of 2500 "ravers", one little shit does a > few bumps > > of K on camera and your ready to eliminate every "raver" in > existance... who > > can honestly sit in there seats and say that they go to a party > and stay > > sober the entire time.. what, your better then someone else > because you eat > > L and take unknown compinations of drugs that you call extacy > instead of > > smoking a dippie... thurther more.. most ppl i know who go to psy- > trance > > partys were talking MAD shit about SS as of just a few months > ago... > > practice what you preach... if it wern't for the "rave" sceen i > would have > > never even found psy-trance.. and i've been going to psy-trance > partys sence > > '95.. back when it was still called GOA, and we were partying > under the > > goerge washington bridge.. i still go to other style partys > (because i > > choose to not close my mind to just psy-trance).. but i dont' go to > > massives.. i won't go to boo 7.. that's not my thing... accept all > people as > > equal.. if your looking to have a selective type of party, with > select > > people.. do it at home... or don't go to massives like the SS > partys.. SS > > isn't a trance party.. it's a RAVE... the israli trance party on > the 9th was > > a trance-dance-party... BTS dosn't go to small gatherings... > you'll never > > see them at opium den... you must keep in mind the difference > between > > "PUBLIC" and "UNDERGROUND"... at public partys anyone who knows > about it has > > the full right to be there.. asshole or not... "UNDERGROUND" is a > different > > story... it's promoted to tighter circles... all i'm saying is > this.. the > > point of the psy-trance sceen is trancendance... none of you are > > accomplishing that by passing judgment on others... "evolution > through > > diversity... over specialize and die in weakness" -ghost in the > shell... how > > can any of us obtain knowledge if you dont pass what we allready > know on to > > others??? growth occures through the reinforcement of the basics.. > all i > > herd in the past 20 e-mails was ignerance... believe me.. i do > place > > psy-heads in a class above all "ravers"... which is why we should > welcome > > people on an individual level into the scene. but if they happen > to find > > there own way there.. would that not be the collective showing > them a door > > towards enlightenment?? tweek is not different then jeff going on > MTV and > > saying (jeff i concider you a friend but you can check you tape of > mtv and > > tell me i'm wrong) "and the little kids that want to come and do > lots of > > drugs, so they don't have to think. so ya, we have our own > sceen"... or > > moby doing a movie track because quote "i figured if i didn't do > it, someone > > else would, and who know how that might have turned out." shit.. > i've seen > > some prity shady ppl at bridge partys... what if mtv/vh1 ended up > there.. > > now that would be an entirely different story... that's our > scene.. not SS > > throwing massives to 10,000 kids.... please don't get me wrong.. > tweek doing > > what he did is fucked up... it makes the various party sceens look > bad for > > everyone.. not just us psy-heads.... but he has the right to do > what he > > did.. he didn't show off the trance sceen.. he did what has been > done > > hundreds of time before.. went on camera and acknowledged "this is > what is > > what".. and showed the world what the massive/rave/party sceen is > all > > about... i have mad love for all of you.. and every person i > meet.. but > > psy-trance heads are the least willing to let someone new into > there world > > of enlightenment... that's not enlightenment.. damb.. even > christianity > > keeps it's doors open to even the cuerious.. vh1 wanted a story > from a > > specific angle and out of the 10,000 kids who go to SS.. they > found tweek.. > > i say we just shoot him.. and everyone else who dosn't fit exactly > into the > > mold of the psy-head. whatever the fuck that's suposed to mean... > let the > > media do what they want.. they always have and always will... we > as a > > community know the deal.. they havn't shut us down yet.. and never > will... > -paul. > > > _____ > > > from SBC & > > > 7053085 > > > 17:HM/A1189558/R0/*http://www.bmgmusic /acq/ee/q6/enroll/mhn/9/> > > > >Lesh> 89 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:11:21 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: wtf.??? From: projectutopia partys a party, have fun be merry, be one with,. JAHH RASTAFARIIIIIII. lets see you dont want to leave the trance scene becuase it might get too crazy, shall we go to 80's night, or just keep ourselves enclosed in a box. NOOOOOOO. LETS do somthing to change this and the world get some militant action going on. partys a party, have fun be merry, be one with,. JAHH RASTAFARIIIIIII. lets see you dont want to leave the trance scene becuase it might get too crazy, shall we go to 80's night, or just keep ourselves enclosed in a box. NOOOOOOO. LETS do somthing to change this and the world get some militant action going on. 90 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: wtf.??? To: From: "B, Nicholas" And what, pray tell, is wrong with 80's nights? I'll remind you that the (admittedly late) 80's were when the seeds of most electronic music really started to flourish. It wasn't all Duran Duran and Flock of Seagulls. 8 08 state, baby. yours Nick (looking 30 straight in the eye and thinking 'oh shit') -----Original Message-- From: projectutopia [mail to:projectutopia ] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 8:11 AM To: N YC604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: wtf.??? partys a part y, have fun be merry, be one with,. JAHH RASTAFARIIIIIII. lets see you d ont want to leave the trance scene becuase it might get too crazy, shall we go to 80's night, or just keep ourselves enclosed in a box. NOOOOOOO. LET S do somthing to change this and the world get some militant action going on. n e Message And what, pray tell, is wrong with 80's nigh ts? I'll rem ind you that the (admittedly late) 80's were when the seeds of most electr onic music really started to flourish. It wasn't all Duran Duran and Flock of Seagulls. 808 state, baby. yours Nick (looking 30 straight in the eye and thinking 'oh shit') -----Original Message-----From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 8:11 AMTo: NYC604Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: wtf.?? ?partys a party, have fun be merry, b e one with,. JAHH RASTAFARIIIIIII.lets see you dont want to leave t he trance scene becuase it might get too crazy, shall we go to 80's nigh t, or just keep ourselves enclosed in a box.NOOOOOOO. LETS do somth ing to change this and the world get some militant action going on.To 91 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] From: "nan" Hey Valerio, Let's talk. n ----- Original Message ----- From: valer io zhyin Sent: Thursday, September 26, 200 2 2:22 PM Subject: [NYC604] new topic hey, i have a new topic, when i s somebody from nyc going 2 book me 4 their next party? i really want 2 play at a real trance party in nyc b4 going back 2 brasil in december. my specialty is dark and deep progressive psy ....with low basslines and l ots of scary noises... i'm your night time guy......i promise u will no t b disappointed..... ADVERTISE MENT an e Hey Valerio, Let's talk. n ----- Or iginal Message ----- From: valerio zhyin Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: [NYC604] new topic hey, i have a new topic, when is somebod y from nyc going 2 book me 4 their next party? i really want 2 pla y at a real trance party in nyc b4 going back 2 brasil in december. my specialty is dark and deep progressive psy ....with low basslines and lots of scary noises... i'm your night time guy......i promise u w ill not b disappointed..... Do To to:NYC604-unsub 93 Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:05:34 Subject: Re: [NYC604] antix & sangeet From: "Ingo V" good idea. i just saw sangeet play wednesday in boston. a little techno-clubbie at times, but overall a good upbeat performance. >From: steve >Reply- >To: >Subject: [NYC604] antix & sangeet > >here's a new topic: antix and dj sangeet at omnitribe this saturday > >I saw antix at boom! this year and I was flying-turbo-surfboard-dancing > >forget party politics and just bring the good vibe > >let them eat spacecakes, >steve > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn 94 Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:27:36 , omnitribe, ben at lightomatic, Machinelf Subject: Re: shiva chandra party From: "Jonathan Payer" let kamal spin for khrists sake....... before he shoots in your eye(s) >From: Krsnalotus >To: jonpayer >Subject: Re: shiva chandra party >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:25:50 > >i klnow man iwanna spin but nobody realises mt potential 95 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: shiva chandra party From: "Jason Sannachan" Let Kamal spin where............................... Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Jonathan Payer [jonpayer ] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:28 PM ; omnitribe; ben at lightomatic; Machinelf Subject: [NYC604] Re: shiva chandra party let kamal spin for khrists sake....... before he shoots in your eye(s) >From: Krsnalotus >To: jonpayer >Subject: Re: shiva chandra party >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:25:50 > >i klnow man iwanna spin but nobody realises mt potential Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. 96 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: shiva chandra party From: "Jason Sannachan" Kamal are you typing in Japanese script or somthing your sentences are coming out sounding like klingon:O) Don't you dare reply. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Jonathan Payer [jonpayer ] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:28 PM ; omnitribe; ben at lightomatic; Machinelf Subject: [NYC604] Re: shiva chandra party let kamal spin for khrists sake....... before he shoots in your eye(s) >From: Krsnalotus >To: jonpayer >Subject: Re: shiva chandra party >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:25:50 > >i klnow man iwanna spin but nobody realises mt potential Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. 97 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:38:18 Subject: free beer at art opening in red hook tonight From: Machinelf email me if interested, i dont wanna start sending events to this list, and free beer is always good in these hard times. 98 Subject: Re: [NYC604] free beer at art opening in red hook tonight From: Allen Weber Hi, What a god sent I was just looking for a party tonight wtih no luck when I read you E-mail. Thank you for the info. Much love and safe travles at llen , i dont wanna start sending events to this list, and free beer is always good in these hard times. Hi, What a god sent I was just looking for a party tonight wtih no luck when I read you E-mail. Thank you for the info. Much love and safe travles at llen 99 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:46:03 Subject: Re: [NYC604] free beer at art opening in red hook tonight From: projectutopia send me info for the beer .!!!!! send me info for the beer .!!!!! 100 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:52:24 Subject: info for tha drinking bash From: Machinelf ok enuffa you guys asked so here goes cuz i'm outta here - but you fucks dont start spamming the list with event info!!! Diesel Gallery-Fri. Sept. 27-7-12-free- kegs-Art Exhibition by Charles Foster-Hall-"TV Time"-and Dj El Ghazali spinning the Insect Pulse-'Before man, before animals, there were insects, hear the hum, feel the vibrations....A-F train to Jay St., B-61 to Red Hook, Commerce St., 242 Van BrundtSt, DIESEL GALLERY 101 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:29:17 Subject: stuff -n-things.... From: "ooaurora" Jason, i'm not going to argue man. there are better things for us to do with our time then project negetive energy.. like drink free beer.. someone post some type of review letting me know how the art was.. or a link to the artest's web site or somthing... have fun.. see everyone tomorrow at Omnitribe.. oh ya.. i'm fully aware of the fact that i can't spell for shit.. ) -paul. 102 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:29:29 Subject: Fwd: [nyc-raves] Fwd: NRR: Former British Drug Czar Calls for Total Global Le... From: XDreamer123 103 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:30:52 Subject: Fwd: [nyc-raves] Score another point for the home team! From: XDreamer123 104 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:04:42 Subject: Re: [DRAGONTRIBE] NYC604 is censored To: psy-trance at dewline, omnitribe, NYC604 From: krsnalotus this list isnt moderated si of you wann join mine feel free, kamal dj dragonlotus bringing far superior spritual warfare through audio enlightened audio this list isnt moderated si of you wann join mine feel free, kamal dj dragonlotus bringing far superior spritual warfare through audio enlightened audio 105 Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:49:59 To: dragontribe, omnitribe, NYC604 Subject: Ppppprrrrrrrrrrrlllllllllllllll etc.. From: "Jonathan Payer" Is there anyone who would like a kat guest sunday ..... you can meet me at the Omnitribe party.... I'll be holding Togepi sorry guys I'm celibate and a lesbian.......so don't get any funny ideas ok?...meeeeeooooww quack>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may the peachfuzz on your cheeks stay as soft as mine... that is if you have cheeks like soft succulent peaches meowmixxxxxxmeowmixxxxxmeowmixxxxxmeoooooooooowmixmeooooooowmixxxxxxx MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn /support/worldwide.aspx 106 To: "NYC604" Subject: T-shirts From: "nan" Hey Peeps, I'm looking for someone who has the equipment for silkscreening and would be willing to do up some shirts for really cheap or be willing t o work out a deal. I've got the design and shirts. Thanks, n Hey Peeps, I'm looking for some one who has the equi pment for silkscreening and would be willing to do up some shirts for really cheap or be willing to work out a deal. I've got the design and shirts. Thanks, n 107 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:57:51 Subject: Fwd: Greetings Namste! To: omnitribe, psy-trance at dewline, NYC604 From: krsnalotus 108 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:22:12 Subject: Re: [NYC604] T-shirts******* From: projectutopia hello. YOu can do a small order with us. we can press 2-4 colors depending on the dificulty. prices are cheap turnout wil be quality and fast. let me know a.s.a.p before we starta larger order we have. Renegade Virus silkscreening office -718-850-1079 ask for charlie or oscar and leave message if not home. This message is for anyone who needs thsirts. www.renegadevirus.org hello. YOu can do a small order with us. we can press 2-4 colors depending on the dificulty. prices are cheap turnout wil be quality and fast. let me know a.s.a.p before we starta larger order we have. Renegade Virus silkscreening office -718-850-1079 ask for charlie or oscar and leave message if not home. This message is for anyone who needs thsirts. www.renegadevirus.org 109 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:58:06 Subject: Re: [NYC604] T-shirts******* From: Machinelf charlie, oscar, brian etc: good crew highly recommended also their techno is awesome in the spiral tribe tradition 110 To: "NYC604" Subject: Aural Beats Party From: "nan" One word: BOOM!!!! One word: BOOM!!!! 111 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] T-shirts******* From: "nan" Thank you! n ----- Original Message ----- From: projectutopia . com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] T-shirts******* hello. YOu can do a small or der with us. we can press 2-4 colors depending on the dificulty. prices a re cheap turnout wil be quality and fast. let me know a.s.a.p before we sta rta larger order we have. Renegade Virus silkscreening office -718-850- 1079 ask for charlie or oscar and leave message if not home. This message i s for anyone who needs thsirts. www.renegadevirus.org Thank you! n ----- Original Message ----- From: projectutopia .co m grou ps Sent: Monday, Se ptember 30, 2002 5:22 AM Subj ect: Re: [NYC604] T-shirts******* hello. YOu can do a small order with us. we can press 2-4 colors de pending on the dificulty.prices are cheap turnout wil be quality and fast. let me know a.s.a.p before we starta larger order we have.Renegade Virus silkscreening office -718-850-1079 ask for charlie or oscar and leave message if not home. This message is for anyone who nee ds thsirts.www.renegadevirus.orgTo unsubscrib e from this group, send an email 112 Subject: last hippie standing??????? From: valerio zhyin hey, does anybody have a copy of the film LAST HIPPIE STANDING about goa in the 60s,70s?????? i can offer LIQUID CRYSTAL VISION in trade..... boom!!!!! hey, does anybody have a copy of the film LAST HIPPIE STANDING about goa in the 60s,70s?????? i can offer LIQUID CRYSTAL VISION in trade..... 113 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:41:32 Subject: Re: [NYC604] T-shirts******* From: krsnalotus sound good this is kamal i ight wanna check that out what platfiorm r ur using sound good this is kamal i ight wanna check that out what platfiorm r ur using 114 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] T-shirts******* From: "nan" Cool. Would love take a listen... > charlie, oscar, brian etc: good cre w highly recommended > also their techno is awesome in the spiral tribe tr adition > Cool. Would love take a listen... > charlie, oscar, brian etc: good crew highly recom mended > also their techno is awesome in the spiral tribe tradition > 115 Subject: Re: [NYC604] antix & sangeet From: Tau T fuck yeaaaaaaah! antix was great this friday that's some grooovy music ... i've seen martin play in israel before and it was class as well rock on ... --- Ingo V wrote: > good idea. i just saw sangeet play wednesday in > boston. a little > techno-clubbie at times, but overall a good upbeat > performance. > > >From: steve > >Reply- > >To: > >Subject: [NYC604] antix & sangeet > > > >here's a new topic: antix and dj sangeet at > omnitribe this saturday > > > >I saw antix at boom! this year and I was > flying-turbo-surfboard-dancing > > > >forget party politics and just bring the good vibe > > > >let them eat spacecakes, > >steve > > > > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn > _ http://sbc.yahoo 116 Sender: bcadams Subject: RE: [NYC604] antix & sangeet From: bcadams right on, Antix was INCREDIBLE, just like the whole party...one question, who was the dj that was playing inside after Antix finished..his set was so energetic and powerful..was it influx? or one of the israelis? > Original Message From Tau T >fuck yeaaaaaaah! antix was great this friday > >that's some grooovy music ... > >i've seen martin play in israel before and it was >class as well > >rock on ... > >--- Ingo V wrote: >> good idea. i just saw sangeet play wednesday in >> boston. a little >> techno-clubbie at times, but overall a good upbeat >> performance. >> >> >From: steve >> >Reply- >> >To: >> >Subject: [NYC604] antix & sangeet >> > >> >here's a new topic: antix and dj sangeet at >> omnitribe this saturday >> > >> >I saw antix at boom! this year and I was >> flying-turbo-surfboard-dancing >> > >> >forget party politics and just bring the good vibe >> > >> >let them eat spacecakes, >> >steve >> > >> > >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >> http://mobile.msn >> > >_ >http://sbc.yahoo > >> 117 Tue, 01 Oct 2002 11:58:26 Subject: RE: [NYC604] antix & sangeet From: "Mike Shvartsman" I think that was Influx, the Brazilian guy...and yeah he was awesome, excellent energy on the dancefloor during his set. The whole party was great, nice location and great vibes :) Mike >From: bcadams >Reply- > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] antix & sangeet > >right on, Antix was INCREDIBLE, just like the whole party...one question, who >was the dj that was playing inside after Antix finished..his set was so >energetic and powerful..was it influx? or one of the israelis? > > > Original Message From Tau T > >fuck yeaaaaaaah! antix was great this friday > > > >that's some grooovy music ... > > > >i've seen martin play in israel before and it was > >class as well > > > >rock on ... > > > >--- Ingo V wrote: > >> good idea. i just saw sangeet play wednesday in > >> boston. a little > >> techno-clubbie at times, but overall a good upbeat > >> performance. > >> > >> >From: steve > >> >Reply- > >> >To: > >> >Subject: [NYC604] antix & sangeet > >> > > >> >here's a new topic: antix and dj sangeet at > >> omnitribe this saturday > >> > > >> >I saw antix at boom! this year and I was > >> flying-turbo-surfboard-dancing > >> > > >> >forget party politics and just bring the good vibe > >> > > >> >let them eat spacecakes, > >> >steve > >> > > >> > > > >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > >> http://mobile.msn > >> > > > >_ > >http://sbc.yahoo > > > >--- > > > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here 118 by mail.drexel (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2001.07.26.11.50.p9) Subject: RE: [NYC604] antix & sangeet Sender: nmf24 From: nmf24 The set-up was clutch, I heard somthing about the floor inside vibrating too much to use the decks. I think Boris was using someone elses CD's for his set. The music was quality all night long though. 119 To: "NYC604" Subject: Backdrop Art From: "nan" Anyone know where's the best source for getting those amazing pieces of ba ckdrop art that respond so well to the UV lights? Muchas gracias, n Anyone know where's the best so urce for getting those amazing pieces of backdrop artthat respond so well to the UV lights? Muchas gracias, n 120 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:04:05 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Backdrop Art From: Machinelf www.spacetribe has some good backdrops mail order prices are better than home of trance 121 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] Backdrop Art From: "nan" Thank you, Jeff. Very nice site. Just ordered a couple of things. >:-) n Thank you, Jeff. V ery nicesite. Just ordered acouple of things. >:-) n 122 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:32:51 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 To be honest, and let's be honest, I only liked the first dj that played (the guy with bleached hair). Then, the one that came after him was alright, but kinda killed the full-on vibe, if you know what I mean. I mean, music is supposed to inspire or somthing, not just walk in circles. Finally, the two guys who were playing after him, the live set, I guess, were absolutely horrible. That was no trance, my dear friends, it was an embarassment. Some creepy sounds without any convincing kick-drums and virtual lack of bass-lines -- that is no trance. As a result of such performance, we decided to throw our own party in a near future, call it, "Back to Full-On", and play some Skazi/GMS style the whole night. Who's up for somthing like that ??? I left the party at around four thirty and I saw sadness in the faces of my dear comrades-in-trance. I hope Synthetic Sadhus will uplift our spirits. See you all there. :) Sergei 123 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:33:48 Subject: Re: [NYC604] T-shits*******-) From: projectutopia In a message dated 9/30/02 6:51:33 PM Time, nan at hipchix writes: > Cool. > Would love take a listen... > shure, although cant gaurentee a cd promo maling, we were selling freeetekno cd's this weekend for 3 buks. If by chance occasion were to see at soome party tonight at pyramid then o also. or you can hear soem local tunes for the crew at www.renegadevirus.org .. yusss spiral tribe network 23 tek (trance with revolving culture) www.freetekno.org peace in advance, love in crisis.!!.c.C. In a message dated 9/30/02 6:51:33 PM Time, nan at hipchix writes: Cool. Would love take a listen... shure, although cant gaurentee a cd promo maling, we were selling freeetekno cd's this weekend for 3 buks. If by chance occasion were to see at soome party tonight at pyramid then o also. or you can hear soem local tunes for the crew at www.renegadevirus.org .. yusss spiral tribe network 23 tek (trance with revolving culture) www.freetekno.org peace in advance, love in crisis.!!.c.C. 124 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:38:19 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: Machinelf my favorite was Jacob crawling up the train tracks and my desperate attempt to get an afterparty going with the 2 kegs 125 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:45:33 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Backdrop Art From: projectutopia In a message dated 10/1/02 10:58:42 AM Time, nan at hipchix writes: > Anyone know where's the best > source for getting those amazing > pieces of backdrop art that > respond so well to the UV lights? > > Muchas gracias, > > n > hehee, yeah should llook for some resources online, But the best way is to make it. if you dotn have the time, see if the greatartteam at house of trance has somthing for sale . ..c.c. In a message dated 10/1/02 10:58:42 AM Time, nan at hipchix writes: Anyone know where's the best source for getting those amazing pieces of backdrop art that respond so well to the UV lights? Muchas gracias, n hehee, yeah should llook for some resources online, But the best way is to make it. if you dotn have the time, see if the greatartteam at house of trance has somthing for sale . ..c.c. 126 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" To be honest you want full on go to israelian style party then you wont have these issues to contend with and as for the way you slate the dj's...................... Would love to hear your demo....................... Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet To be honest, and let's be honest, I only liked the first dj that played (the guy with bleached hair). Then, the one that came after him was alright, but kinda killed the full-on vibe, if you know what I mean. I mean, music is supposed to inspire or somthing, not just walk in circles. Finally, the two guys who were playing after him, the live set, I guess, were absolutely horrible. That was no trance, my dear friends, it was an embarassment. Some creepy sounds without any convincing kick-drums and virtual lack of bass-lines -- that is no trance. As a result of such performance, we decided to throw our own party in a near future, call it, "Back to Full-On", and play some Skazi/GMS style the whole night. Who's up for somthing like that ??? I left the party at around four thirty and I saw sadness in the faces of my dear comrades-in-trance. I hope Synthetic Sadhus will uplift our spirits. See you all there. :) Sergei 127 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:17:59 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 No reason to become personally offended. If we cannot criticize the dj's when they are plain bad, then we don't deserve to listen to anything good. By the way, can you tell me the names of those two who played the live set. As for the full-on comment, then as I recall, it was supposed to be a full-on line up indoors. I have been to Israeli party and I liked it ! Sergei 128 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:18:44 Subject: antix & sangeet From: "phIL LUic SImONov" what up peeps. its liek this if your looking for full on you cant rely on people like antix and sangeet cos thats not there style. But the music was pretty darn decent. i liked the venue fortunately i realised that a 20 bag is not enough to get me going....considering i cant do any harder drugs cause of my mental condition i think im gonna stick to smoking blunts (O_o) maybe that will help the atmosphere. But as far as the name calling that should be stopped im not that retarted that i have to go back to high school(boom shankar)..... listen to the song anuerism by nirvana for further info P......... damn i was really hoping this would be a chat room :( 129 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:18:54 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 No reason to become personally offended. If we cannot criticize the dj's when they are plain bad, then we don't deserve to listen to anything good. By the way, can you tell me the names of those two who played the live set. As for the full-on comment, then as I recall, it was supposed to be a full-on line up indoors. I have been to Israeli party and I liked it ! Sergei 130 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" But my point being unless you are capable of doing a better job don't slate someone for doing somthing that you cant/wont explore It is nerve wrecking to play in front of crowd as a dj let alone doing a live act. These guys(all of them) deserve respect for what they are doing. I don't take this personally at all mate. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet No reason to become personally offended. If we cannot criticize the dj's when they are plain bad, then we don't deserve to listen to anything good. By the way, can you tell me the names of those two who played the live set. As for the full-on comment, then as I recall, it was supposed to be a full-on line up indoors. I have been to Israeli party and I liked it ! Sergei 131 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet To: From: steve yes the sound could have been better, even a lot better - more bass for sure...maybe just a lot louder. not to start a progressive vs. full-on war but...you thought antix was horrible?! no way. it wasn't their best set but it was good. maybe you should learn to appreciate somthing besides full-on a la Skazi/GMS? the great shortcoming of the BOOM! festival was just that...80 percent of the music sounded EXACTLY the same...everyone playing the same fucking Skazi and GMS tracks over and over and over... I went away thinking I really dislike goa and full-on...but it's just like like most music: the majority of it is shite. very popular really lame. underground music has its mainstream too. fuck how about some originality, diversity of influences, new sounds? besides, that's why there was an indoor and outdoor stage to accommodate two different styles/tastes right? shanti, steve btw. - I saw GMS and Skazi at BOOM! and they weren't bad, esp. Skazi had some interesting sounds...but too much of the music sounded the same...and I wasn't the only one of that opinion. I also saw Antix there and it was an experience I'll never forget. 132 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" Thanks Steve here endeth the lessonLesh Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: steve [steve at state22 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet yes the sound could have been better, even a lot better - more bass for sure...maybe just a lot louder. not to start a progressive vs. full-on war but...you thought antix was horrible?! no way. it wasn't their best set but it was good. maybe you should learn to appreciate somthing besides full-on a la Skazi/GMS? the great shortcoming of the BOOM! festival was just that...80 percent of the music sounded EXACTLY the same...everyone playing the same fucking Skazi and GMS tracks over and over and over... I went away thinking I really dislike goa and full-on...but it's just like like most music: the majority of it is shite. very popular really lame. underground music has its mainstream too. fuck how about some originality, diversity of influences, new sounds? besides, that's why there was an indoor and outdoor stage to accommodate two different styles/tastes right? shanti, steve btw. - I saw GMS and Skazi at BOOM! and they weren't bad, esp. Skazi had some interesting sounds...but too much of the music sounded the same...and I wasn't the only one of that opinion. I also saw Antix there and it was an experience I'll never forget. 133 Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet To: From: "B, Nicholas" I really like music that is good. I really don't like music that is bad. Guys I really think that we really shud get some more good music, some of that good music that gows like "BOOOM BOoooOM BOOM" not that stuff that jus t gows "boom, tika, boom" Good music makes me happy :) bad music makes me sad :( I think we should have more dark, conceptual yet housey,progressive ,techno,goa tribal beats. What d'yall think? -----Original Message--F rom: steve [steve at state22 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet yes the sound could have been better, even a lot better - more bass for sure...maybe just a lot louder. not to start a progressive vs. fu ll-on war but...you thought antix was horrible?! no way. it wasn't their be st set but it was good. maybe you should learn to appreciate somthing besi des full-on a la Skazi/GMS? the great shortcoming of the BOOM! festival wa s just that...80 percent of the music sounded EXACTLY the same...everyone p laying the same fucking Skazi and GMS tracks over and over and over... I w ent away thinking I really dislike goa and full-on...but it's just like lik e most music: the majority of it is shite. very popular 3D really lame. un derground music has its mainstream too. fuck how about some originality, di versity of influences, new sounds? besides, that's why there was an indoor and outdoor stage to accommodate two different styles/tastes right? shan ti, steve btw. - I saw GMS and Skazi at BOOM! and they weren't bad, esp. Skazi had some interesting sounds...but too much of the music sounded the s ame...and I wasn't the only one of that opinion. I also saw Antix there and it was an experience I'll never forget. NYC60 134 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" Yeah Dark and tekky is good for me. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet I really like music that is good. I really don't like music that is bad. Guys I really think that we really shud get some more good music, some of that good music that gows like "BOOOM BOoooOM BOOM" not that stuff that just gows "boom, tika, boom" Good music makes me happy :) bad music makes me sad :( I think we should have more dark, conceptual yet housey,progressive,techno,goa tribal beats. What d'yall think? -----Original Message--From: steve [steve at state22 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet yes the sound could have been better, even a lot better - more bass for sure...maybe just a lot louder. not to start a progressive vs. full-on war but...you thought antix was horrible?! no way. it wasn't their best set but it was good. maybe you should learn to appreciate somthing besides full-on a la Skazi/GMS? the great shortcoming of the BOOM! festival was just that...80 percent of the music sounded EXACTLY the same...everyone playing the same fucking Skazi and GMS tracks over and over and over... I went away thinking I really dislike goa and full-on...but it's just like like most music: the majority of it is shite. very popular really lame. underground music has its mainstream too. fuck how about some originality, diversity of influences, new sounds? besides, that's why there was an indoor and outdoor stage to accommodate two different styles/tastes right? shanti, steve btw. - I saw GMS and Skazi at BOOM! and they weren't bad, esp. Skazi had some interesting sounds...but too much of the music sounded the same...and I wasn't the only one of that opinion. I also saw Antix there and it was an experience I'll never forget. 135 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:04:57 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 That is the most arrogant statement I've ever heard: "unless you are capable of doing a better job don't slate someone for doing somthing that you cant/wont explore". So, now basically, any idiot who gets behind the turntable should be praised and respected, just because he spins. I guess anyone who puts together a band, should be praised as a great musician. I'm sorry, but I do have a sense of taste and style, and I believe if I'm just a trance listener I have every right to criticize anyone who I think is shite. Yes, I appreciate diversity by all means, and GMS/Skazi is just an example. I mean, I am up for exploration of all types of music. I like goa, psychedelic, full-on, pink floyd, chill-out/ambient and even sometimes minimal. But if someone just doesn't know what the hell he's doing, I don't want to explore that any further than I have to. Also, I believe, if it says that Full-On line up will be presented, the organizers should live up to their promise. I personally know a lot of people who were disappointed about a party. Now, you can call me and all of us, for that matter, close-minded and all that stuff, but I do have my opinions about music and no one will make me keep them to myself. It is, after all, a public discussion group. Should I ever become a dj, you are more than welcome to express your honest opinion about my performance, mate. :) Sergei p.s. by the way, if it is indeed "nerve wrecking" playing in front of a crowd, perhaps a person needs to find other ways to express him/herself. 136 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:10:51 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 Good music is good. Bad music is bad. Bring more good music !!! 137 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" Arrogant statement maybe but at least I can express it as a DJ and promoter you have such great eclectic taste in musicLeshSo why did you go to this party. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet That is the most arrogant statement I've ever heard: "unless you are capable of doing a better job don't slate someone for doing somthing that you cant/wont explore". So, now basically, any idiot who gets behind the turntable should be praised and respected, just because he spins. I guess anyone who puts together a band, should be praised as a great musician. I'm sorry, but I do have a sense of taste and style, and I believe if I'm just a trance listener I have every right to criticize anyone who I think is shite. Yes, I appreciate diversity by all means, and GMS/Skazi is just an example. I mean, I am up for exploration of all types of music. I like goa, psychedelic, full-on, pink floyd, chill-out/ambient and even sometimes minimal. But if someone just doesn't know what the hell he's doing, I don't want to explore that any further than I have to. Also, I believe, if it says that Full-On line up will be presented, the organizers should live up to their promise. I personally know a lot of people who were disappointed about a party. Now, you can call me and all of us, for that matter, close-minded and all that stuff, but I do have my opinions about music and no one will make me keep them to myself. It is, after all, a public discussion group. Should I ever become a dj, you are more than welcome to express your honest opinion about my performance, mate. :) Sergei p.s. by the way, if it is indeed "nerve wrecking" playing in front of a crowd, perhaps a person needs to find other ways to express him/herself. 138 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" IN REGARDS TO YOUR P.S YOU ARE NOT A DJ OR A PROMOTER SO YOUR COMMENT HERE IS ABSOLUTE NON PLUS. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet That is the most arrogant statement I've ever heard: "unless you are capable of doing a better job don't slate someone for doing somthing that you cant/wont explore". So, now basically, any idiot who gets behind the turntable should be praised and respected, just because he spins. I guess anyone who puts together a band, should be praised as a great musician. I'm sorry, but I do have a sense of taste and style, and I believe if I'm just a trance listener I have every right to criticize anyone who I think is shite. Yes, I appreciate diversity by all means, and GMS/Skazi is just an example. I mean, I am up for exploration of all types of music. I like goa, psychedelic, full-on, pink floyd, chill-out/ambient and even sometimes minimal. But if someone just doesn't know what the hell he's doing, I don't want to explore that any further than I have to. Also, I believe, if it says that Full-On line up will be presented, the organizers should live up to their promise. I personally know a lot of people who were disappointed about a party. Now, you can call me and all of us, for that matter, close-minded and all that stuff, but I do have my opinions about music and no one will make me keep them to myself. It is, after all, a public discussion group. Should I ever become a dj, you are more than welcome to express your honest opinion about my performance, mate. :) Sergei p.s. by the way, if it is indeed "nerve wrecking" playing in front of a crowd, perhaps a person needs to find other ways to express him/herself. 139 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:24:48 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 I go to parties to dance. Why do you go to parties? 140 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:25:56 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 I think you've been a DJ and a PROMOTER for a bit too long. Perhaps you should ask yourself, what was it all about? 141 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" I go to parties that have DJ's playing who's style and sound I appreciate if I appreciate I dance. I see no sense in going to a party if the DJ's don't play my style that way it guarantee's I wont be a bitch and drone on like a Wanna be baba on NYC604. Vitalik and Shai are both friends and associates of mine and they work really fucking hard to make parties. I said it before and will say it again'' You want full on go to a full on party'' not a party with Sangeet & Antix who are both Very well known for their progressive sound. They had over 350 party people there over 3/4 of those people left happy that is a successful event. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet I go to parties to dance. Why do you go to parties? 142 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" Heres a bold statement for you '' I will be a dj and promoter long after you walk away from this scene son. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet I think you've been a DJ and a PROMOTER for a bit too long. Perhaps you should ask yourself, what was it all about? 143 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:56:11 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 I'm sure that people who organize the events work "really fucking hard". And I will make sure to go to a full-on party next time. Just for the record, all I wanted to do is express my opinion, which is plain an unbiased. Your opinion cannot be unbiased, since the organizers are friends and associates of yours, as you yourself have stated. Yes, perhaps we do like different styles and all that. The bottom line is, I didn't like it, and I don't think it was a successful event. 3/4, or 9/8 of the audience is not who make up my opinion. Phantasm party upstate was horrible, despite it's "full-on" style, and I have no reservations about saying that. Perhaps some people liked it, but I didn't. That is all, my dear sophisticated DJ and a PROMOTER. From now on I will make it my business to review every single event that I go to, since too many unsuccesful events take place in the vicinity of this great city of ours. The attitude " unless you are capable of doing a better job don't slate someone for doing somthing that you cant/wont explore" is not somthing that will help us improve the situation. Best of luck to all music lovers. Sergei 144 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:00:23 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 Hey, Metalica is a rock-n-roll band, dad. Be careful who you become. 145 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:04:04 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: projectutopia In a message dated 10/1/02 4:27:06 PM Time, XDreamer123 writes: > > I think you've been a DJ and a PROMOTER for a bit too long. Perhaps you > should ask yourself, what was it all about? > You little flaming lovers, should take this war into private v chat.!!! hehehhee. check out som etracks at wwwwork23.org and enjoy life. hehe, foodstamp.. WHATS THIS LIST ALL about anyway .. nyc604.?? any developments on the results of the vh1 show.?? In a message dated 10/1/02 4:27:06 PM Time, XDreamer123 writes: I think you've been a DJ and a PROMOTER for a bit too long. Perhaps you should ask yourself, what was it all about? You little flaming lovers, should take this war into private v chat.!!! hehehhee. check out som etracks at wwwwork23.org and enjoy life. hehe, foodstamp.. WHATS THIS LIST ALL about anyway .. nyc604.?? any developments on the results of the vh1 show.?? 146 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:07:09 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? From: projectutopia hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://www.absurde /frameeng.html check them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuff by heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://www.absurde /frameeng.html check them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuff by heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp 147 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:09:01 Subject: next project for travelling soundsystems in u.s. From: projectutopia here our pioneer friends at havoc from brooklyn have been travelling the u.s. in thier bio bus, just recentley madc eit to nevada for the tekno-trance gathering agaisnt nuclear waste in the nevada desert. read more ont heir adventures witht the bio bus. renegadevirus is working on one for next summers road tripz. trancers get involved.!! http://havoc.freetekno.sk/zinebiofuel.html READ ON.!!!!!!!! END OV transmission. foodstampz www.renegadevirus.org here our pioneer friends at havoc from brooklyn have been travelling the u.s. in thier bio bus, just recentley madc eit to nevada for the tekno-trance gathering agaisnt nuclear waste in the nevada desert. read more ont heir adventures witht the bio bus. renegadevirus is working on one for next summers road tripz. trancers get involved.!! http://havoc.freetekno.sk/zinebiofuel.html READ ON.!!!!!!!! END OV transmission. foodstampz www.renegadevirus.org 148 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:13:07 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 Nah, it can't be private. It is an issue of public concern. :)~ "... music is your special friend dance all night as it intends ... " :) Thank you for the uplifting comment, it was sweet. :) la la la 149 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? From: "Jason Sannachan" FULL ON DESCRIBES A LOT OF THE SOUND INVOLVING HIGH END TWEAKS,ANTHEMS, BIG SUPER FAST FLUFFY MELODIES OR AS MY PING PONG CONTESTANT ON NYC604 WOULD PROBABLY SAY'' BEAUTIFUL EUPHORIC TINGLING SOUNDS THAT RUN FROM MY SCROTUM TO MY LARYNX. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://www.absurde /frameeng.html check them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuff by heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp Lesh FULL ON DESCRIBE S A LOT OF THE SOUND INVOLVING HIGH END TWEAKS,ANTHEMS, BIG SUPER FAST FLUF FY MELODIES OR AS MY PING PONG CONTESTANT ON NYC604 WOULD PROBABLY SAY̵ 7; BEAUTIFUL EUPHORIC TINGLING SOUNDS THAT RUN FROM MY SCROTUM TO MY LARYNX. Signature&qu ot; Jason Sannachan Studio Distribut ion Chelsea Ma rket 425 west 15th street su ite 2r NY NY 1 0011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: projectutopia [projectutopia at aol ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PM To: NYC604 Subject : Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://www.absurde /frameeng.html check them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuff by heretiks , cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp ail to: 150 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:17:50 Subject: MAke up? kiss Up ? F%^& at K up? From: "pacific888us" IS that party still on or what? 151 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" And what is that statement in reference to exactly. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet Hey, Metalica is a rock-n-roll band, dad. Be careful who you become. 152 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:20:56 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? From: XDreamer123 YAY ! FULL ON IS THE SHIT !!! GOOD DESCRIPTION JASON. YAY ! FULL ON IS THE SHIT !!! GOOD DESCRIPTION JASON. 153 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] MAke up? kiss Up ? F%^& at K up? From: "Jason Sannachan" hehe Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: pacific888us [arthurk31 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: [NYC604] MAke up? kiss Up ? F%^& at K up? IS that party still on or what? 154 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? From: "Jason Sannachan" Damn mate is it possible you have humour too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? YAY ! FULL ON IS THE SHIT !!! GOOD DESCRIPTION JASON. Lesh Damn mate is it possible you have humour too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Signature&quo t; Jason Sannachan Studio Distributi on Chelsea Mar ket 425 west 1 5th street sui te 2r NY NY 10 011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:21 PM To: NYC 604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? YAY ! FULL ON IS THE SHI T !!! GOOD DESCRIPTION JASON. To unsubscri groups 155 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:55:41 Subject: Re: [NYC604] MAke up? kiss Up ? F%^& at K up? From: Machinelf In a message dated 10/1/2002 5:19:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, arthurk31 writes: > > IS that party still on or what? > >From the Brainmachines & Pschedule lists: - Saturday October 5 Phantasm Makeup Party The Phantasm Kick Ass Kiss Ass Feed Your Head 2 party: GLOBAL TRANCE PRODUCTION & PHANTASM RECORDS AMERICA MINDFIELD XEROX Phantasm Records.UK-USA HOMMEGA,BNE Records.ISRAEL JOHN PHANTASM PHANTASM RECORDS,SPAICIAL 4 HOURS DJ SET PLUS CHILL OUT BY SUNDOG-PHANTASM RECORDS AND FRIENDS AT CLUB DEMERARA 215 E.28th STREET (BET 7th-8th AVE) DOORS OPEN:11 PM- 8 AM. 21 WITH ID MUST. $25 ticket at the door In a message dated 10/1/2002 5:19:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, arthurk31 writes: IS that party still on or what? From the Brainmachines & Pschedule lists: - Saturday October 5 Phantasm Makeup Party The Phantasm Kick Ass Kiss Ass Feed Your Head 2 party: GLOBAL TRANCE PRODUCTION & PHANTASM RECORDS AMERICA MINDFIELD XEROX Phantasm Records.UK-USA HOMMEGA,BNE Records.ISRAEL JOHN PHANTASM PHANTASM RECORDS,SPAICIAL 4 HOURS DJ SET PLUS CHILL OUT BY SUNDOG-PHANTASM RECORDS AND FRIENDS AT CLUB DEMERARA 215 E.28th STREET (BET 7th-8th AVE) DOORS OPEN:11 PM- 8 AM. 21 WITH ID MUST. $25 ticket at the door 156 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:58:18 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 In reference to: Heres a bold statement for you '' I will be a dj and promoter long after you walk away from this scene son." Basically, what I meant to say, be careful who you promote. You see, trance, in my primitive, unsophisticated and highly unprofessional opinion, is similar to psychedelic rock of the 60's. The way it began and all that, I mean, you can see similarities. The Doors, Pink Floyd, etc. So, how the hell, after all that, do we end up with Metalica ??? Money corrupt, perhaps, I'm sure. But it wasn't the money, and it wasn't the establishment. It was concrete people, promoters and such, which picked some bands over the others. The longer you are in a music business, and you can't deny that you are in a music business, the less you are capable to understand the desires of mere mortal music lovers. And then one day you're promoting a trance version of Metalica, dad. Best wishes and a good vibe to all, Sergei 157 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:04:18 Subject: Re: [NYC604] MAke up? kiss Up ? F%^& at K up? From: XDreamer123 $25 ??? They got to be fucking kidding me !!! Phantasm is trully amazing. I call for the official boycott of that party. What they did in Upstate was completely disrespectful. If we come to this so-called "make-up" party, then we don't deserve to be treated with respect. Sergei 158 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" Ok I was about to retort in a respectable fashion until I see the thing about ''dad'' you fancy explaining that to me Sergei. Sounds a bit personal please expound.. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet In reference to: Heres a bold statement for you '' I will be a dj and promoter long after you walk away from this scene son." Basically, what I meant to say, be careful who you promote. You see, trance, in my primitive, unsophisticated and highly unprofessional opinion, is similar to psychedelic rock of the 60's. The way it began and all that, I mean, you can see similarities. The Doors, Pink Floyd, etc. So, how the hell, after all that, do we end up with Metalica ??? Money corrupt, perhaps, I'm sure. But it wasn't the money, and it wasn't the establishment. It was concrete people, promoters and such, which picked some bands over the others. The longer you are in a music business, and you can't deny that you are in a music business, the less you are capable to understand the desires of mere mortal music lovers. And then one day you're promoting a trance version of Metalica, dad. Best wishes and a good vibe to all, Sergei 159 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 22:12:31 Subject: Re: to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "ooaurora" i wasn't planing on replying until i finished reading all of the posts.. but this statement is bote true and very funny... -paul. --- In NYC604 at y..., XDreamer123 at a... wrote: > Hey, Metalica is a rock-n-roll band, dad. Be careful who you become. 160 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:15:04 Subject: Re: [NYC604] MAke up? kiss Up ? F%^& at K up? From: Machinelf i'm assuming you saw this https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /phantasmfeedback.html if you haven't seen this delicious piece go immediately dear, posthaste! 161 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:20:55 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 You called me "son" before !!! I didn't mean anything personal by that, just wanted to echo your sentiment. 162 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" That's ok I am a dad actually.......:O) 5 mths old boy Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet You called me "son" before !!! I didn't mean anything personal by that, just wanted to echo your sentiment. 163 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:47:58 Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 Cool, CONGRATULATIONS :)))Lesh 164 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:04:21 Subject: if you wish to skip the bullshit.. check out the end of the message... From: "ooaurora" damb, why is it not suprising to me that your into "dark" beats Jason.. and as far as the whole "your not a promoter/DJ shit.." everyone has an oppinion.. wether you agree or not is YOUR oppinion.. YOUR oppinion should be respected just as much as everyone elses.. how can you claim to have an open mind when everyone but you on this list is wrong??? it seems that we are ALL wrong, ALL of the time.. you seem to have a very self centered mthodology about the world.. and I personaly (this is MY oppinion, if you dissagree.. that would be YOUR oppinion) don't think that's a healthy way to live.. not all of the people that put together these partys perform.. so does that make there decisions on who to have come play invalid?? i think i have a great ear for music.. of many different styles.. but being that i don't have access to equipment, cd's/wax, drum machines, synths,... i don't know what i think is good? if your not willing to listen to the oppinions of others without negetive feedback, and there is a difference between negetive feedback and constructive critizism, why should anyone give you the respect of even pondering yours?? we all have the right to express what we think/feel.. i don't think it's fair that when someone does that, someone else saying there oppion is invalid.. i don't play baseball, but i sure as hell know when the yankees play like shit.. which is an oppinion being that they're "professionals" and play better then anyone in the minor leagues.. The "dad" comments are NOT necessary.. this discussion has NOTHING to do with Jasons child.. and NOONE has the right to use someones child against them.. for any reason.. i'm sure that the birth of Jasons son has opened up many new, previously unseen, worlds to him.. which is an amazing and beautiful thing.. Can we all please grow up? instead of saying "your wrong" wouldn't it be more constructive to ask "why do you think that?" or "what events generated that oppinion?" or "realy, i though it was a hot party because..." please.. were suposidly all adults here.. can't we start acting like it..? especialy with the name calling.. come on.. why not just start with the: "Yo momma so ugly, her parents had to tie a bone arround her neck just to get the dog to play with her." or: "Yo momma so fat, she eats her breakfast cerial out of a satelite dish." "Yo momma so dumb, she got locked in an A at M for 3 months and almost starved to death" "Yo momma so stupid, she sold the car for gas.." yup, that's right... this is all shit that we were saying in junior high. Reviews are oppions. Take them with a grain of salt. It's not wrong, it's just an oppinion. (Unless your oppinio is to be biast against someone because of age/sex/race.. that's just wrong... and another catagory all together..) New Topic. I recently found a paper on the net called "Revolution in Common Sense or Quantum Metaphysics". ( http://home.sprynet /~jowolf/ ) Click on Quantium Metaphysics.. Please check it out.. I found it to be quite enlightening.. and heres a dangerous question.. Anyone hav any opinions? -paul. ps. I will not answer any replys to this message unless it's pertaining to the paper above.. so don't wast the energy... 165 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:09:24 Subject: message fix.. From: "ooaurora" skip the dad reference i made in my last message.. i asumed.. ya ya i know the "ass u me" line.. ) it was a reference to a previous message.. and Jeff can you please change the background back to white.. i actualy posted somthing interesting... -paul 166 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:22:51 Subject: Re: [NYC604] antix & sangeet From: atagino at cs that was DJ INFLUX from brasil!!!!!! 167 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:49:37 Subject: Re: [NYC604] if you wish to skip the bullshit.. check out the end of the mess... From: XDreamer123 No replies necessary, but "dad" comment had nothing to do with Jason's child. Just that in a heat of an argument he called me "son", thus prompting me to use "dad" in order to counteract the sentiment. :) Thank you for the support in my battle to have an opinion. :) 168 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:50:42 Subject: Re: [NYC604] antix & sangeet From: XDreamer123 who was DJ INFLUX from Brasil ??? 169 Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: Margo Korableva Jason, what's your problem? why are so so angry? Why do you think that your opinion is most important one? Why do you have to attack everybody around you whoever does not share your point of view? So if we are not djs and promoters so we can't say anything about the music? share what we think? So if you are one, just relax and do your job and don't bullshit around, no one gives a shit. Seems like you have personal problems. Jason Sannachan wrote:IN REGARDS TO YOUR P.S YOU ARE NOT A DJ OR A PROMOTER SO YOUR COMMENT HERE IS ABSOLUTE NON PLUS. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet That is the most arrogant statement I've ever heard: "unless you are capable of doing a better job don't slate someone for doing somthing that you cant/wont explore". So, now basically, any idiot who gets behind the turntable should be praised and respected, just because he spins. I guess anyone who puts together a band, should be praised as a great musician. I'm sorry, but I do have a sense of taste and style, and I believe if I'm just a trance listener I have every right to criticize anyone who I think is shite. Yes, I appreciate diversity by all means, and GMS/Skazi is just an example. I mean, I am up for exploration of all types of music. I like goa, psychedelic, full-on, pink floyd, chill-out/ambient and even sometimes minimal. But if someone just doesn't know what the hell he's doing, I don't want to explore that any further than I have to. Also, I believe, if it says that Full-On line up will be presented, the organizers should live up to their promise. I personally know a lot of people who were disappointed about a party. Now, you can call me and all of us, for that matter, close-minded and all that stuff, but I do have my opinions about music and no one will make me keep them to myself. It is, after all, a public discussion group. Should I ever become a dj, you are more than welcome to express your honest opinion about my performance, mate. :) Sergei p.s. by the way, if it is indeed "nerve wrecking" playing in front of a crowd, perhaps a person needs to find other ways to express him/herself. In Trance We Trust Jason, what's your problem? why are so so angry? Why do you think that your opinion is most important one? Why do you have to attack everybody around you whoever does not share your point of view? So if we are not djs and promoters so we can't say anything about the music? share what we think? So if you are one, just relax and do your job and don't bullshit around, no one gives a shit. Seems like you have personal problems. Jason Sannachan wrote: 170 Subject: Re: [NYC604] if you wish to skip the bullshit.. check out the end of the message... From: js at studiodistribution Hey Paul:O)if you want to skip the bullshit miss the first paragraph For the first part Paul(there is a but coming) i absolutely understand what you are saying but i feel that no one really has the right to judge someones work i find that alot of people(including myself) are always the critic when it comes to someones event but the (your not a dj/promoter) is not by any means shite it simply states the fact that he had never dj'd or made party for people so his opinion as a human being is of course valid but unless you have truly stood in a promoters shoes you cannot fully comprehend how difficult it can be. By the way i truly thankyou for the words about being a dad but the mis- communication lies in the fact that i did call him son so he simply retorted dad he was not actually refering to my son which is why i questioned his comment cos i dont know him for shit so wondering how he knew:O) I dont need to you to reply this was cool enough. Gratis Jason Quoting ooaurora : > damb, why is it not suprising to me that your into "dark" beats Jason.. > and as far as the whole "your not a promoter/DJ shit.." everyone has > an oppinion.. wether you agree or not is YOUR oppinion.. YOUR > oppinion should be respected just as much as everyone elses.. how > can you claim to have an open mind when everyone but you on this > list is wrong??? it seems that we are ALL wrong, ALL of the time.. > you seem to have a very self centered mthodology about the world.. > and I personaly (this is MY oppinion, if you dissagree.. that would > be YOUR oppinion) don't think that's a healthy way to live.. not all > of the people that put together these partys perform.. so does that > make there decisions on who to have come play invalid?? i think i > have a great ear for music.. of many different styles.. but being > that i don't have access to equipment, cd's/wax, drum machines, > synths,... i don't know what i think is good? if your not willing to > listen to the oppinions of others without negetive feedback, and > there is a difference between negetive feedback and constructive > critizism, why should anyone give you the respect of even pondering > yours?? we all have the right to express what we think/feel.. i > don't think it's fair that when someone does that, someone else > saying there oppion is invalid.. i don't play baseball, but i sure > as hell know when the yankees play like shit.. which is an oppinion > being that they're "professionals" and play better then anyone in > the minor leagues.. > The "dad" comments are NOT necessary.. this discussion has > NOTHING to do with Jasons child.. and NOONE has the right to use > someones child against them.. for any reason.. i'm sure that the > birth of Jasons son has opened up many new, previously unseen, > worlds to him.. which is an amazing and beautiful thing.. Can we all please grow up? instead of saying "your wrong" > wouldn't it be more constructive to ask "why do you think that?" > or "what events generated that oppinion?" or "realy, i though it was > a hot party because..." please.. were suposidly all adults here.. > can't we start acting like it..? especialy with the name calling.. > come on.. why not just start with the: > "Yo momma so ugly, her parents had to tie a bone arround her > neck just to get the dog to play with her." > > or: > "Yo momma so fat, she eats her breakfast cerial out of a > satelite dish." > "Yo momma so dumb, she got locked in an A at M for 3 months and > almost starved to death" > "Yo momma so stupid, she sold the car for gas.." > > yup, that's right... this is all shit that we were saying in junior > high. > Reviews are oppions. Take them with a grain of salt. It's not > wrong, it's just an oppinion. (Unless your oppinio is to be biast > against someone because of age/sex/race.. that's just wrong... and > another catagory all together..) > New Topic. I recently found a paper on the net > called "Revolution in Common Sense or Quantum Metaphysics". > ( http://home.sprynet /~jowolf/ ) Click on Quantium Metaphysics.. > Please check it out.. I found it to be quite enlightening.. and > heres a dangerous question.. Anyone hav any opinions? -paul. > > ps. I will not answer any replys to this message unless it's > pertaining to the paper above.. so don't wast the energy... > > > 171 Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: js at studiodistribution Quoting Margo Korableva : Margo now that was a angry statement. But you did manage to be most precise '' it is our job its what we do it gives us all great joy to pull off a killer party''. Every job you have had Margo did you excel at it were you always numero uno? Everyone at some point will go to a party and not leave there feeling completely fulfilled but such is life'' although we all share the same space we do not travel the same road''. I do not get angry Margo and i do not have personal problems but thanks for the concern. > > Jason, what's your problem? why are so so angry? Why do you think that > your opinion is most important one? Why do you have to attack everybody > around you whoever does not share your point of view? So if we are not > djs and promoters so we can't say anything about the music? share what > we think? So if you are one, just relax and do your job and don't > bullshit around, no one gives a shit. Seems like you have personal > problems. > Jason Sannachan wrote:IN REGARDS TO YOUR P.S > > YOU ARE NOT A DJ OR A PROMOTER SO YOUR COMMENT HERE IS ABSOLUTE NON > PLUS. > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet > > That is the most arrogant statement I've ever heard: "unless you are > capable > of doing a better job don't slate someone for doing somthing that you > cant/wont explore". So, now basically, any idiot who gets behind the > turntable should be praised and respected, just because he spins. I > guess > anyone who puts together a band, should be praised as a great musician. > I'm > sorry, but I do have a sense of taste and style, and I believe if I'm > just > a > trance listener I have every right to criticize anyone who I think is > shite. > Yes, I appreciate diversity by all means, and GMS/Skazi is just an > example. > I mean, I am up for exploration of all types of music. I like goa, > psychedelic, full-on, pink floyd, chill-out/ambient and even sometimes > minimal. But if someone just doesn't know what the hell he's doing, I > don't > want to explore that any further than I have to. Also, I believe, if > it > says > that Full-On line up will be presented, the organizers should live up > to > their promise. I personally know a lot of people who were > disappointed > about > a party. Now, you can call me and all of us, for that matter, > close-minded > and all that stuff, but I do have my opinions about music and no one > will > make me keep them to myself. It is, after all, a public discussion > group. > Should I ever become a dj, you are more than welcome to express your > honest > opinion about my performance, mate. :) > > Sergei > > p.s. by the way, if it is indeed "nerve wrecking" playing in front of > a > crowd, perhaps a person needs to find other ways to express > him/herself. > > > > > var lrec_target"_top";var lrec_URL new > Array;lrec_URL[1] HM/A1234046/R0/idflashurl/*http://www.gotomypc /u/tr/yh/grp/300_textF/g22l p?Targetmm/g22lp.tmpl";var > lrec_flashfile"http://us.a1.yimg /us.yimg /a/1- > 1705308517:HM/A1234046/R1/idaltimgurl/*http://www.gotomypc /u/tr/yh/grp/30 0_textF/g22lp?Targetmm/g22lp.tmpl";var > lrec_altimg"http://us.a1.yimg /us.yimg /a/1- > lrec_width300;var lrec_height250; > > In Trance We Trust > 172 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? To: From: "B, Nicholas" Think of it in these terms... "She looked deep into his one trembling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message-- From : projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, Oct ober 01, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Fu ll on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http: //www.absurde /frameeng.html check them. they have mad mixes up, i ncluding. stuff by heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morre eeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp Yo Message Think of it in these terms... "She looked deep into his o ne trembling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message-----F rom: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sen t: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PMTo: NYC604gr oups Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>???hey what is full on>?? guys./here is s ome more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what yo u think.!!http://www.absurde /frameeng.htmlcheck them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuffby heretiks, cortex l abs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp---No scribe Your 173 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:39:55 Subject: Re: [NYC604] next project for travelling soundsystems in u.s. From: Machinelf hey man the safetydance people want to hear techno by a 4 to 1 margin. ANy more outdoor stuff this year please fwd over thanks! 174 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet From: "Jason Sannachan" Margo this is a open discussion group saying someone has problems is kinda personal don't you think. Having a opinion is one thing casting aspersions about someones mental state is another and I do not believe you And I know each other personally so who are you to take this to another level. I think if you actually knew me this would never come up and I would never want to say such things about you. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Margo Korableva [margok1 ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet Jason, what's your problem? why are so so angry? Why do you think that your opinion is most important one? Why do you have to attack everybody around you whoever does not share your point of view? So if we are not djs and promoters so we can't say anything about the music? share what we think? So if you are one, just relax and do your job and don't bullshit around, no one gives a shit. Seems like you have personal problems. Jason Sannachan wrote: IN REGARDS TO YOUR P.S YOU ARE NOT A DJ OR A PROMOTER SO YOUR COMMENT HERE IS ABSOLUTE NON PLUS. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix & sangeet That is the most arrogant statement I've ever heard: "unless you are capable of doing a better job don't slate someone for doing somthing that you cant/wont explore". So, now basically, any idiot who gets behind the turntable should be praised and respected, just because he spins. I guess anyone who puts together a band, should be praised as a great musician. I'm sorry, but I do have a sense of taste and style, and I believe if I'm just a trance listener I have every right to criticize anyone who I think is shite. Yes, I appreciate diversity by all means, and GMS/Skazi is just an example. I mean, I am up for exploration of all types of music. I like goa, psychedelic, full-on, pink floyd, chill-out/ambient and even sometimes minimal. But if someone just doesn't know what the hell he's doing, I don't want to explore that any further than I have to. Also, I believe, if it says that Full-On line up will be presented, the organizers should live up to their promise. I personally know a lot of people who were disappointed about a party. Now, you can call me and all of us, for that matter, close-minded and all that stuff, but I do have my opinions about music and no one will make me keep them to myself. It is, after all, a public discussion group. Should I ever become a dj, you are more than welcome to express your honest opinion about my performance, mate. :) Sergei p.s. by the way, if it is indeed "nerve wrecking" playing in front of a crowd, perhaps a person needs to find other ways to express him/herself. Lesh In Trance We Trust _____ Lesh Margo this is a open discussion group saying someone has problems is kinda personal dont you think. Having a opinio n is one thing casting aspersions about someones mental state is another an d I do not believe you And I know each other personally so who are you to take this to another le vel. I think if you a ctually knew me this would never come up and I would never want to say such things about you. AUTOTEXTLIS T -s Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message --From: Margo Korabl eva [margok1 ] Sent : Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: RE: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix &am p; sangeet Jason, what's yo ur problem? why are so so angry? Why do you think that your opinion is most important one? Why do you have to attack everybody around you whoever does not share your point of view? So if we are not djs and promoters so we can 't say anything about the music? share what we think? So if you are one, ju st relax and do your job and don't bullshit around, no one gives a shit. Seems like you have personal problems. Jason Sannachan wrote: IN R EGARDS TO YOUR P.S YOU ARE NOT A DJ OR A PROMOTER SO YOUR COMMENT HERE IS ABSOLUTE NON PLUS. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chel sea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodi stribution '' D ILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message --From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] to be HONEST - antix &a mp; sangeet That is the most arrogant statement I've ever heard: "unless you are capable of doing a better job don 't slate someone for doing somthing that you cant/wont explor e". So, now basically, any idiot who gets behind the turntable should be praised and respected, just because he spins. I guess anyone who puts together a band, should be praised as a great musician. I'm sorry, but I do have a sense of taste and style, and I believe if I'm just a t rance listener I have every right to criticize anyone who I think is shite. Yes, I appreciate diversity by all means, and GMS/Skazi is ju st an example. I mean, I am up for exploration of all types of music. I like goa, psychedelic, full-on, pink floyd, ch ill-out/ambient and even sometimes minimal. But if someo ne just doesn't know what the hell he's doing, I don't want to explore that any further than I have to. Also, I believe, if it says that Full-On line up will be presented, the orga nizers should live up to their promise. I personally kno w a lot of people who were disappointed about a p arty. Now, you can call me and all of us, for that matter, close-mind ed and all that stuff, but I do have my opinions about music a nd no one will make me keep them to myself. It is, after all, a public discussion group. Should I ever become a dj, yo u are more than welcome to express your honest opinion about m y performance, mate. :) Sergei p.s. by the way, if it is indeed "nerve wrecking" playing in front of a crowd, perhaps a person needs to find other ways to express him /herself. n e NYC604-unsub scribe In Trance We Trust Access from SBC & N com Your use of 175 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? From: "Jason Sannachan" Touch nick touch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great I would like to use this for a flyer.:O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Think of it in these terms... "She looked deep into his one trembling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message--From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://www.absurde /frameeng.html check them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuff by heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp Lesh Lesh Message Doc umentEmail TouchE9 nick touch E9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gr eat I would like to use this for a flyer.:O) Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistributi on '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11 :09 AM groups Subject: RE: [ NYC604] Full on>??? Think of it in these terms... "She looked d eep into his one trembling eye and took it full on in the f ace" :) -----Original Message--From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, Oc tober 01, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goo oood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://www.absurde /frameeng.html check them. they ha ve mad mixes up, including. stuff by heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,p anacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp , no event spam to: our use of n e Te rms of Service. 176 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? To: From: "B, Nicholas" If you are serious then be my guest - just send me a copy of the flyer :) -----Original Message-- From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribu tion ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM gro ups Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? TouchE9 nick touchE9!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! 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"She looked deep into his one trembling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message-- From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday , October 01, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYC60 4] Full on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more gooooo d mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http ://www.absurde /frameeng.html check them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuff by heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morr eeeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp event spam NYC604-unsub scribe the Yaho No l nd an e spam NYC604-unsubscrib e rms of Message } o-:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#d } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url } at font-face { } P . { } LI. { } DIV.MsoNorm al { } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; t ext-underline: single } SPAN.Mso { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATI ON: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } P.MsoAutoSig { } LI.M soAutoSig { rphan } DIV.MsoAutoSig { } TT { } SPAN.EmailStyle19 { COLOR: navy; mso-ascii- } DIV.Sectio n1 { page: Section1 } If you are serious then bemy guest - just send me a copy of the flyer :) -----Original Message-----From: Jason Sannachan [mailto :js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PMSubject: RE: [N YC604] Full on>??? TouchE9 nick touchE9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great I would like to use this for a flyer.:O) Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Di stribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistributio n '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-----From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ]Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:09 AMTo: NYC604Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Think of it in these terms. .. "She looked deep into his one trembling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message-----From: projectutopia [projectutopia .co m] Sent: Tuesday, Oc tober 01, 2002 5:07 PMTo: NYC604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys. /here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distorti on and tell me what you think.!!http://www.absurde /frameeng. htmlcheck them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuffby heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee! !!late.foodstamp---No lies, no one word replies, no e group, send an email t o: Service. -- -No lies, no one word rep group, send an email Service. ---No lies, no one word replies send an e Your 177 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:03:56 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? From: Machinelf well, you know Nick is a Brit just like you Jason now maybe you two can hold hands and listen to Stings' "An Englishman in New York" 178 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? From: "Jason Sannachan" COURSE I AM ITS PERFECT! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? If you are serious then be my guest - just send me a copy of the flyer :) -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Touch nick touch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great I would like to use this for a flyer.:O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Think of it in these terms... "She looked deep into his one trembling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message--From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://www.absurde /frameeng.html check them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuff by heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp Lesh Lesh Lesh Lesh Message Doc umentEmail COURSE I AM &# 8230;ITS PERFECT! Sign ature" Ja son Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th str eet suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribu tion '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nic holas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? If you are serious then bemy guest - just send me a copy of the flyer :) -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:0 0 PM gro ups Subject: RE: [NC604] Full on>??? TouchE9 nick touchE9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great I would like to use this for a flyer.:O) -s "E-mail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Di stribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Ori ginal Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Fu ll on>??? Think of it in these terms... "She looked deep into his one tr embling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message--Fro m: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PM at yaho ogroups Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? hey wha t is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. ch eck out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://ww w.absurde /frameeng.html check them. they have mad mixes u p, including. stuff by heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox a nd morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp am hoo! l to: Groups is s Terms of Service. il to: spam 179 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? To: From: "B, Nicholas" Wouldn't it be nice if we could all hold hands and be friends? "I'd like t o buy the world a coke... And like in harmony"..EVERYBODY NOW... -----Orig inal Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:04 PM Subject: R e: [NYC604] Full on>??? well, you know Nick is a Brit just like you Jason now maybe you two can hold hands and listen to Stings' "An Englishman in New York" Yo 180 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? From: "Jason Sannachan" Really bloody hell no wonder.......................................:O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Wouldn't it be nice if we could all hold hands and be friends? "I'd like to buy the world a coke... And like in harmony"..EVERYBODY NOW... -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? well, you know Nick is a Brit just like you Jason now maybe you two can hold hands and listen to Stings' "An Englishman in New York" 181 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? To: From: "B, Nicholas" :) Where are you playing / promoting next - I'll come along and say hello . Nick -----Original Message-- From: Jason Sannachan [js at stud iodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:07 PM To: NYC60 4 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? COURSE I AM ..... .....................................ITS PERFECT! Jason Sannachan Stud io Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 1001 1 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-- From: B, Nicholas [mail to:Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? If you ar e serious then be my guest - just send me a copy of the flyer :) -----Orig inal Message-- From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? TouchE9 nick touchE9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great I would like to use this for a flyer.:O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-- From: B, Nicholas [ Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:09 AM To: NYC604 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Think of it in these terms... "She looked deep into his one trembling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message-- From: projec tutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>?? ? hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. chec k out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://www.absurd e /frameeng.html check them. they have mad mixes up, including. st uff by heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!! late.foodstamp T roups ervice . o: ject to . Yo event spam NYC604-unsub scribe the Yaho s Sponsor t to . Message } o-:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#d } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url } at font-face { } P . { } LI. { } DIV.MsoNorm al { } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; t ext-underline: single } SPAN.Mso { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATI ON: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } P.MsoAutoSig { } LI.M soAutoSig { rphan } DIV.MsoAutoSig { } P { MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-b } TT { nt-family: "Courier New" } SPAN.EmailStyle19 { COLOR: navy; mso-ascii-font } SPAN.EmailStyle22 { t-size: 10.0pt } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } : ) Where are you playing / pro moting next - I'll come along and say hello. Nick -----Or iginal Message-----From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodis tribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full o n>??? COURSE I AM & #8230;ITS PERFECT! ail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 121 2 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original M essage-----From: Bailey , Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ]Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PMTo: NYC604 Subject: RE: [NC604] Full on>??? If you are serious then bemy guest - just send me a copy of the flyer :) -----Original Message-----Fro m: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02 , 2002 12:00 PMTo: NYC604Subject : RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Touch E9 nick touchE9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great I would like t o use this for a flyer.:O) AUTOTEXTLIS T -s "E-mail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Origi nal Message-----From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ]Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:09 AMTo: NYC604 at yah oogroups Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Think of it in these terms... "She looked deep into his on e trembling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message-----F rom: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PMTo: NYC604Subjec t: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys./here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!!http://www.absurde /frameeng.htmlcheck them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuffby he retiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late .foodstamp ---No group, send an email to: Service. ---No lies, n group, send an email Service. ---No from this group, send an email Service. ---No lies, no o grou p, send an email to: Yo ur use of Service. ---No lies, no one wo send an ema il to: Your use o 182 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:20:48 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? From: Machinelf In a message dated 10/2/2002 12:12:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp writes: > Wouldn't it be nice if we could all hold hands and be friends? > > "I'd like to buy the world a coke... And like in harmony"..EVERYBODY NOW... Wouldn't it be nice if we could all do a world of coke and do everybody at Harmony? (either the Harmony club or the theater, both might still be open now that Rudy's gone) sorry! In a message dated 10/2/2002 12:12:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp writes: Wouldn't it be nice if we could all hold hands and be friends? "I'd like to buy the world a coke... And like in harmony"..EVERYBODY NOW... Wouldn't it be nice if we could all do a world of coke and do everybody at Harmony? (either the Harmony club or the theater, both might still be open now that Rudy's gone) sorry! 183 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? From: "Jason Sannachan" I do little parties at a Japanese sake bar every Saturday in williamsburg. Supercore 305 bedford avenue between south 1st and south 2nd I will send out flyer laterLeshWe just started doing stuff there 2 weeks agoLesh Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? :) Where are you playing / promoting next - I'll come along and say hello. Nick -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? COURSE I AM ITS PERFECT! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? If you are serious then be my guest - just send me a copy of the flyer :) -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Touch nick touch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great I would like to use this for a flyer.:O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Think of it in these terms... "She looked deep into his one trembling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message--From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://www.absurde /frameeng.html check them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuff by heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp Lesh Lesh Lesh Lesh Lesh Lesh Message Doc umentEmail I do little parties at a Japanese sa ke bar every Saturday in williamsburg. Supercore 305 bedford avenue between south 1st and south 2nd I will send out flyer laterLesh We just started doing stuff th ere 2 weeks agoLesh A Studio Distribution Ch elsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 6 85 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12 :18 PM groups Subject: RE: [ NYC604] Full on>??? :) Where are you playing / promoting next - I'll come along and say hello. Nick -----Orig inal Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Ful l on>??? COURSE I AM ̷ 0;ITS PERFEC T! ture" Ja son Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodi stribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Ba iley at kbcfp ] Sent: We dnesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? If you are serious then bemy guest - jus t send me a copy of the flyer :) -----Original Message --From: Jason Sannac han [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? TouchE9 nick touchE9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great I would l ike to use this for a flyer.:O) -s "E-mail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street s uite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 4 3 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-- From: B, Nicholas [ Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Think of it in these terms... "She looked deep into his one trembling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message --From: projectutopi a [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://www.absurde /frameeng.htm l check them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuff b y heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.f oodstamp --- NYC6 --- m am pam 184 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? From: "Jason Sannachan" This week me,vitalik(omnitribe) severyn, and vadim will be playing not really full on sound mostly progressive. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? I do little parties at a Japanese sake bar every Saturday in williamsburg. Supercore 305 bedford avenue between south 1st and south 2nd I will send out flyer laterLeshWe just started doing stuff there 2 weeks agoLesh Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? :) Where are you playing / promoting next - I'll come along and say hello. Nick -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? COURSE I AM ITS PERFECT! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? If you are serious then be my guest - just send me a copy of the flyer :) -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Touch nick touch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great I would like to use this for a flyer.:O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Think of it in these terms... "She looked deep into his one trembling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message--From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://www.absurde /frameeng.html check them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuff by heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.foodstamp Lesh Lesh Lesh Lesh Lesh Lesh Lesh Message Doc umentEmail This week me ,vitalik(omnitribe) severyn, and vadim will be playing not really full on s ound mostly progressive. AU Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message----- From: Jason Sannachan [mail to:js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? I do little parties at a Japanese sake bar eve ry Saturday in williamsburg. Supercore 305 bedford avenue betwe en south 1st and south 2nd I will send out flyer late rLesh We just started doing stuff there 2 weeks agoLesh Studio Distribution Chelsea Ma rket 425 west 15th street s uite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 6 85 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' - ----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:18 PM grou ps Subject: RE: [NYC 604] Full on>??? :) Where are you playing / promoting next - I'll come alon g and say hello. Nick -----Original Mes sage--From: Jason Sa nnachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on> ??? COURSE I AM R 30;ITS PERFECT! " Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodi stribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Ba iley at kbcfp ] Sent: We dnesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? If you are serious then bemy guest - jus t send me a copy of the flyer :) -----Original Message --From: Jason Sannac han [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? TouchE9 nick touchE9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great I would l ike to use this for a flyer.:O) -s "E-mail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street s uite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 4 3 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-- From: B, Nicholas [ Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Full on>??? Think of it in these terms... "She looked deep into his one trembling eye and took it full on in the face" :) -----Original Message --From: projectutopi a [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Full on>??? hey what is full on>?? guys./ here is some more goooood mp3's. check out crsytal distortion and tell me what you think.!! http://www.absurde /frameeng.htm l check them. they have mad mixes up, including. stuff b y heretiks, cortex labs, banditos,panacea,wowox and morreeeeeeeeee!!!late.f oodstamp --- NYC6 --- m am pam an e n e Te rms of Service. 185 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:39:04 Subject: a suggestion From: Machinelf Keep in mind that getting 40 emails a day in an inbox can be daunting for those who are away from their PCs for a day... not that this is related but we need female energy to make it work - let's not scare away the women... thanks! 186 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:41:32 Subject: Re: MAke up? kiss Up ? F%^& at K up? From: "art" > well,it's suppose to be free for those who went upstate ;it is call" Kiss up" right ?.But still no specific detail is forthcoming . I hate to be at the door and be ask for money and have to punch out whoever is asking !! Anyone knows the secrect password???? Art I call for the official boycott of that party. What they did in Upstate was > completely disrespectful. If we come to this so-called "make-up" party, then > we don't deserve to be treated with respect. > > Sergei --- In NYC604 at y..., XDreamer123 at a... wrote: > $25 ??? They got to be fucking kidding me !!! Phantasm is trully amazing. > 187 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] a suggestion From: "brigittebardo" > Keep in mind that getting 40 emails a day in an inbox can be daunting for > those who are away from their PCs for a day... not that this is related but > we need female energy to make it work - let's not scare away the women... > thanks! > pfft 40 emails...child's play. and you haven't scared us off, we're simply nonplussed by all the grunting and fluffing of plumage. 188 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] a suggestion From: "Jason Sannachan" Jeff you are absolutely right and considering I pissed off Margo so much I will do my upmost not to scare any girls off, Nick, Paul everyone lets make sure people especially girls feel welcome and comfortable. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: [NYC604] a suggestion Keep in mind that getting 40 emails a day in an inbox can be daunting for those who are away from their PCs for a day... not that this is related but we need female energy to make it work - let's not scare away the women... thanks! 189 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:56:58 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: MAke up? kiss Up ? F%^& at K up? From: Machinelf i sent out numerous emails over 2 months ago saying if you went to the phantasm party, email me, and i will get yu in free to the party. the deadlione was about a month ago arthur i will add you on but no guarantees at this late date 190 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:06:49 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: MAke up? kiss Up ? F%^& at K up? From: VilIAlnNyC 191 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:11:34 Subject: Re: MAke up? kiss Up ? F%^& at K up? From: "art" OH in that case, i did sent you an email a while back,you are going by the email then? So as long as one is in the Phantasm make up group,it be dippy? Thanks Jeff. Art PS I will never punch you at the door thou :) O--- In NYC604 at y..., IsmokeDMT at a... wrote: > i sent out numerous emails over 2 months ago saying if you went to the > phantasm party, email me, and i will get yu in free to the party. the > deadlione was about a month ago arthur i will add you on but no guarantees at > this late date 192 Subject: RE: [NYC604] a suggestion From: valerio zhyin WE NEED MORE WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KALI POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE NEED MORE WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KALI POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 193 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:55:41 Subject: Re: [NYC604] a suggestion Cc: brainmachines From: Machinelf WE NEED MORE WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KALI POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe a new group for women who goes to trance parties in NYC - boy would i love to l moderate that list but i don't think i would qualify. if any female steps foward i can do everything for them to set it up. smthing like nycTRANCEwomyn or whatever they want. womyn only!! that way they could gossip about the men, talk about cuddle puddles, flowers, how too aggro the male DJs are, show support for DJs Icy Coil and Angeles, make banners, discuss the finer points of twirling poi, and share their feelings about everything. Maybe even finger the more lecherous males, I mean point out the rascals :-) (Half of the preceeding is in jest but you never know there may be somthing worthwhile here) The list members could get a discount to parties... I'm sure most organizers would support that, given that women make less than men anyway and have less discretionary income. Any takers to moderate? 194 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] a suggestion From: "brigittebardo" > The list members could get a discount to parties... I'm sure most organizers > would support that, given that women make less than men anyway and have less > discretionary income. jeff, you are so fucking fired. go stand in the corner. 195 Subject: Re: [NYC604] gaia To: From: steve as for the female energy at parties... I remarked to lisa on saturday that there was a good gaia energy present - it seemed to me she got what she asked for. a half moon (harmony of male/female? full-on/progressive?), a planet or two, and several constellations (I saw scorpius, orion, and the pleiades) were watching over the party, and there was a stronger female presence than usual. thanks to goddesses all -.s 196 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:42:01 Subject: Re: [NYC604] a suggestion**ahhhhhhh From: projectutopia In a message dated 10/2/02 3:03:45 PM Time, Machinelf writes: > smthing like nycTRANCEwomyn or whatever they want. > womyn only!! that way they could gossip about the men, talk about cuddle > puddles, flowers, how too aggro the male DJs are, show support for DJs Icy > Coil and Angeles, make banners, discuss the finer points of twirling poi, > and > dood are you crazy, theyl be to much gossip going on, theyl blow up the spot, its so easy to gossip and slip out secrets and talk shit online, your true love might find out about the candy raver girl, or you said you wernt at that weekly. but "linda" on the womens list told "beky" you were there, all of our spots will be blown, hehhehe let the girls come up with thier own idea for this list . hehhe lol. charlie. In a message dated 10/2/02 3:03:45 PM Time, Machinelf writes: smthing like nycTRANCEwomyn or whatever they want. womyn only!! that way they could gossip about the men, talk about cuddle puddles, flowers, how too aggro the male DJs are, show support for DJs Icy Coil and Angeles, make banners, discuss the finer points of twirling poi, and dood are you crazy, theyl be to much gossip going on, theyl blow up the spot, its so easy to gossip and slip out secrets and talk shit online, your true love might find out about the candy raver girl, or you said you wernt at that weekly. but "linda" on the womens list told "beky" you were there, all of our spots will be blown, hehhehe let the girls come up with thier own idea for this list . hehhe lol. charlie. 197 Subject: props to diversity From: yeah full on is good.To me that means broups like neuromoter but thats my perceprion of it, goa is cool but only if i have liek 30 blunts...andi do think jason is a decent dj, too bad not too many people are into the dark shit but it has its purpose, itc omes of pretty powerful if you listen to it right,as far as having a kid congratulations man,im still hopeing to have sex somehow in this lifetime...so if there are any guys or girls interseted e-mail me ill whip out the ambiant and KY just kidding P...Um metallica happens to be an awsome band dont knock it it has nothing to do with commercialism, it has to do with sound progression and you can label it from there.... p.s. i am hoping to become a millionaire soon, so im hoping to buy lots of equipment i hope you people are open minded enough to get me those headphones anbd leave your bullshit rhetorics at the door..i haev went to approximately 50 trance parties with hopes that soomeone would help me but no luck so far..it is very disturbing leaving a party where everything is so open and coming home to a very sheltered and closed household..i weep over these thing not that anyone gives a shit...we have a serious problem my best friend has gotten arrested with posession of narcotics and hes is currently runnig from the fbi.. the info gottten for his arrest came from an illegal source and you all know what im talking about...once again not that anyone cares..it took me 3 years to learn what a 20 is thanx to the voices from above...so for all you highschool grads i hope you still understand that respect and sharing of information comes first..just a suggestion....hopefully formerly known as retard p.p.s. i would also appreciate if anyone can gt me out of therapy five days a fucken week and off of medications and get the whole mental hygiene warrant off of my head its very disturbing when you have people judging you like your mentally ill for your beliefe in the bill of rights..think about it...oops i did it again i playedwith your heart got lost in the game im innocent..apology accepted spears _ http://sbc.yahoo 198 Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:24:04 Subject: Re: [NYC604] props to diversity From: Machinelf damn, at the end of your email i thought you were tweak great email but two things completely threw me off - what did you mean by "it took me 3 years to learn what a 20 is thanks to the voices from above" and "i hope you people are open minded enough to get me those headphones anbd leave your bullshit rhetorics at the door.." 199 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] props to diversity From: "Jason Sannachan" about trance there has to be a ying for a yang if all trance sounds like goa it would only invoke one particular side of our psyche when the beats become more minimal with more mechanical influences it invokes another side not nessacarily evil as some people portray it to be it just takes you on a whole new trip. I am not devilish although sometimes it may seem that way I am not into metal and I did go through a whole era of wearing spandex(Jeff has the pictures to prove it!!!) There is nothing I like better than banging away to the likes of midimiliz,delta etc all thru the night and then listening to some more chill sounds as the day breaks. Problem is my definition of morning music is actually what most trance dj's in new york define as pure night music. Hope this makes some kind of sense to you lot. Once again thanks for the comments about my little baba. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: liquifunk [liquifunk ] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: [NYC604] props to diversity yeah full on is good.To me that means broups like neuromoter but thats my perceprion of it, goa is cool but only if i have liek 30 blunts...andi do think jason is a decent dj, too bad not too many people are into the dark shit but it has its purpose, itc omes of pretty powerful if you listen to it right,as far as having a kid congratulations man,im still hopeing to have sex somehow in this lifetime...so if there are any guys or girls interseted e-mail me ill whip out the ambiant and KY just kidding P...Um metallica happens to be an awsome band dont knock it it has nothing to do with commercialism, it has to do with sound progression and you can label it from there.... p.s. i am hoping to become a millionaire soon, so im hoping to buy lots of equipment i hope you people are open minded enough to get me those headphones anbd leave your bullshit rhetorics at the door..i haev went to approximately 50 trance parties with hopes that soomeone would help me but no luck so far..it is very disturbing leaving a party where everything is so open and coming home to a very sheltered and closed household..i weep over these thing not that anyone gives a shit...we have a serious problem my best friend has gotten arrested with posession of narcotics and hes is currently runnig from the fbi.. the info gottten for his arrest came from an illegal source and you all know what im talking about...once again not that anyone cares..it took me 3 years to learn what a 20 is thanx to the voices from above...so for all you highschool grads i hope you still understand that respect and sharing of information comes first..just a suggestion....hopefully formerly known as retard p.p.s. i would also appreciate if anyone can gt me out of therapy five days a fucken week and off of medications and get the whole mental hygiene warrant off of my head its very disturbing when you have people judging you like your mentally ill for your beliefe in the bill of rights..think about it...oops i did it again i playedwith your heart got lost in the game im innocent..apology accepted spears _ http://sbc.yahoo 200 Subject: Re: [NYC604] props to diversity From: i dunno what i mean i am clynically a schitzo on a shit load of meds that give me seizures, so i get all messed up sometimes.....and yeah i have no headphones thats all..... --- Machinelf wrote: > damn, at the end of your email i thought you were > tweak > great email but two things completely threw me off - > > what did you mean by > > "it took me 3 years to learn what a > 20 is thanks to the voices from above" > > and > > "i hope you people are > open minded enough to get me those headphones anbd > leave your bullshit rhetorics at the door.." > _ http://sbc.yahoo 201 Subject: Montreal To: From: "B, Nicholas" Does anyone know any good clubs in Montreal - I'm off there this weekend an d I just gotta dance. Dark, gritty, nasty tech-trance is my flavour. Yeah it's with a 'u' Nick -----Original Message--From: Machinelf [Machinelf] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 4:24 PM To: N YC604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] props to diversity damn, at t he end of your email i thought you were tweak great email but two things co mpletely threw me off - what did you mean by "it took me 3 years to lear n what a 20 is thanks to the voices from above" and "i hope you people are open minded enough to get me those headphones anbd leave your bullshit rhetorics at the door.." roups http://docs.yahoo /i nfo/terms/ 202 Subject: omnitribe & hookahs tonight From: "Kakulja-Teleomorph -(Evan-)" hey people, omnitribe are playing music tonight at UNion Coffee at 137 Ave C (&9th St) come chill and drink cofeeee, smoke hookahs, indoor /outdoor, free internet computers, and tunes from Vitalik & Sh.I.K.I.D & Dima. hey people, omnitribe are playing music tonight at UNion Coffee at 137 Ave C (&9th St) come chill and drink cofeeee, smoke hookahs, indoor /outdoor, free internet computers, and tunes from Vitalik & Sh.I.K.I.D & Dima. 203 Subject: West coast parties To: From: "Scott D. Abbott" Does anyone on this list know where I could find a schedule of west coast t rance parties? My girlfriend and I are going to be in CA later this month. Thanks Scott Does anyone on this list know where I could f ind a schedule of west coast trance parties? My girlfriend and I are going to be in CA later this month. Thanks Scott 204 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:14:08 Subject: Re: [NYC604] omnitribe & hookahs tonight From: Machinelf that was fun, it reminded me of the parties at rico (which is next door) i wonder if we could plug headphones into the computers.. tiffany helped clean up 205 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:15:38 Subject: Re: [NYC604] West coast parties From: Machinelf Los Angeles http://www.liquidgrin / (psytrance) barakuda_psytribe http://www.sixthsense (psytrance, kindof defunct) http://people.we.mediaone/tranceone/index2.html (kind of defunct) San Francisco http://sftrance www.ccc.ac http://www.eyephunk http://www.ceibarec http://www.thumpradio Los Angeles http://www.liquidgrin / (psytrance) barakuda_psytribe http://www.sixthsense (psytrance, kindof defunct) http://people.we.mediaone/tranceone/index2.html (kind of defunct) San Francisco http://sftrance www.ccc.ac http://www.eyephunk http://www.ceibarec http://www.thumpradio 206 Subject: Re: [NYC604] West coast parties From: valerio zhyin "Scott D. Abbott" wrote: Does anyone on this list know where I could find a schedule of west coast trance parties? My girlfriend and I are going to be in CA later this month. Thanks Scott "Scott D. Abbott" wrote: Does anyone on this list know where I could find a schedule of west coast trance parties? My girlfriend and I are going to be in CA later this month. Thanks 207 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:07:12 Subject: Phantasm Make Up Party ??? From: XDreamer123 Does anyone have any info about Phantasm party tonight? Like, where is it? Is it free for those who were at the Upstate Event? Please let me know. Sergei ps I figured, if it's a free party, perhaps I should cancel my boycott. After all, it's all about the music, right? 208 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:45:48 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Phantasm Make Up Party ??? From: Machinelf In a message dated 10/5/02 8:07:38 PM Time, XDreamer123 writes: > > Does anyone have any info about Phantasm party tonight? Like, where is > it? > Is it free for those who were at the Upstate Event? > yeah, it's free. at demerar on 28th b/w 7 & 8 if yer not on the phantasmmakeup list just go and explain the party as you remember it to elly and he will let you in, if not he will suffer a public HANGING. if you are with people who did NOT show up, then have them pay b/c it's the right thing to do OK? go to the medieval fair tomorrow, too. In a message dated 10/5/02 8:07:38 PM Time, XDreamer123 writes: Does anyone have any info about Phantasm party tonight? Like, where is it? Is it free for those who were at the Upstate Event? yeah, it's free. at demerar on 28th b/w 7 & 8 if yer not on the phantasmmakeup list just go and explain the party as you remember it to elly and he will let you in, if not he will suffer a public HANGING. if you are with people who did NOT show up, then have them pay b/c it's the right thing to do OK? go to the medieval fair tomorrow, too. 209 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Phantasm Make Up Party ??? From: valerio zhyin hey mate, have u sent my ayahuasca cd yet????? boom!!!!! hey mate, have u sent my ayahuasca cd yet????? boom!!!!! 210 Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:14:51 Subject: Phantasm Make Up Party :) From: XDreamer123 Cool, thanks a lot for the info everybody. I left for the party yesterday, before I could gather all the answers to my question. But thank you for replying. :) I got the directions from Lena ( I believe that was the name, judging from E-mail), so, thank you Lena :) ! Wow, that was a good party. Good music, good vibe, and Mr. Phantasm did make up for the upstate screw up. I have an idea. Why don't Phantasm veterans gather every year for our own special party? Like, we can invite other people, but for those who passed Phantasm it will be a free event. :) Alright, I'm probably joking. See ya all at Synthetic. Sergei 211 Subject: vibrasphere at earthdance 10.12 To: From: steve for anyone who likes vibrasphere - their new album is out next month so I imagine we'll be getting a dose of the new material on saturdau at earthdance. (NOS should be good too.) btw how is the cinema world space? 212 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:06:54 Subject: Re: [NYC604] club./bar.danceflorrr From: projectutopia I need a bar / club opening for a friday partyLeshemergency call. If anyone can point me in adirection . For a tek.break party. thanks in advance. charlie. I need a bar / club opening for a friday partyLeshemergency call. If anyone can point me in adirection . For a tek.break party. thanks in advance. charlie. 213 Subject: and in this corner... From: Paul Smith guess who's back.. back again... paul is i back.. hehe.. sup everyone... i missed you guys.. i'm sure it's been quiet without me.. btw.. Jason.. i'm with you.. we need to NOT scare away the women.. so no one had any feed back on that paper i posted a link for huh??? someone must have read it.. peace, -paul. Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo 214 Subject: Re: [NYC604] vibrasphere at earthdance 10.12 From: +-spliff+- do you think the vh1 show will bring any "negative" attention to synthetic? either way, i'm gonna be there.... peace, spliff > >for anyone who likes vibrasphere - their new album is out next month so I >imagine we'll be getting a dose of the new material on saturdau at >earthdance. > >(NOS should be good too.) > >btw how is the cinema world space? 215 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 01:15:17 Subject: what if trance partys wewre like this look at your own risk From: "krsnalotus" contains nudity Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:25:27 Subject: Re: [NYC604] and in this corner... From: krsnalotus ya for all th single men without babies ya for all th single men without babies 217 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:35:32 Subject: Thanks to Elly & John Phantasm To: brainmachines , dragontribe, phantasmmakeup From: Machinelf the Phantasm makeup party at Demera was awesome! Great Vibe! Thanks to John Phantasm and Elly and everyone involved. Elly willl be doing another party soon, let's show our support! 218 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:40:02 Subject: Re: [NYC604] vibrasphere at earthdance 10.12 From: Machinelf In a message dated 10/8/02 5:50:22 PM Time, steve at state22 writes: > btw how is the cinema world space? > it's very dark with high ceilings and port a potties in the outdoor area In a message dated 10/8/02 5:50:22 PM Time, steve at state22 writes: btw how is the cinema world space? it's very dark with high ceilings and port a potties in the outdoor area 219 Subject: Re: [NYC604] and in this corner... From: js at studiodistribution Quoting krsnalotus : > ya for all th single men without babies > Hey Smartass keep your opinions to yourself:O) 220 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 02:05:36 Subject: Fwd: [nyc-raves] Fwd: STOP THE HOUSE RAVE ACT From: XDreamer123 221 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 02:30:14 Subject: STOP THE HOUSE RAVE ACT !!! To: nyc-raves at hyperreal.org, NYC604 From: XDreamer123 "when they came for the Jews, I said nothing, because I wasn't a Jew when t hey came for Communists, I said nothing, because I wasn't a Communist when they came for Catholics, I sad nothing, because I wasn't a Catholic when th ey came for me, there was no one left to say anything..." __ ____ ***Stop the House RA VE Act*** Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) has introduced a House version of the RA VE Act. It Is almost exactly the same as the Senate version. The House Judi ciary Committee will most likely be voting on the bill NEXT WEEK (the week of the 7th). 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From: "ooaurora" so i'm guessing that no one read the brain candy.. --- In NYC604 at y..., js at s... wrote: > Quoting krsnalotus at a...: > > > ya for all th single men without babies > > Hey Smartass keep your opinions to yourself:O) 223 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:35:26 Subject: Fwd: [brainexchange] Learn to make PSY TRANCE!!! ON YOUR DESKTOP From: Machinelf 224 Subject: Re: brain candy From: Paul Smith oh sorry.. i'll repost the link.. and it is..: http://www.hotbitscafe /go/maitreya/quantum.html it's not the authors site.. but it is the complete paper... for some reason the authors site is down right now.. check it out.. if the link dosn't work for some reason.. leme know and i'll post the paper as a file attachment.. free your mind, -paul. steve wrote: hey paul, I for one never saw it... see you at synthetic -steve ----- Original Message --From: "ooaurora" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:22 PM Subject: [NYC604] Re: and in this corner... > so i'm guessing that no one read the brain candy.. > > --- In NYC604 at y..., js at s... wrote: > > Quoting krsnalotus at a...: > > > > > ya for all th single men without babies > > > Hey Smartass keep your opinions to yourself:O) > > > > > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo oh sorry.. i'll repost the link.. and it is..: http://www.hotbitscafe /go/maitreya/quantum.html it's not the authors site.. but it is the complete paper... for some reason the authors site is down right now.. check it out.. if the link dosn't work for some reason.. leme know and i'll post the paper as a file attachment.. free your mind, -paul. steve wrote: Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo 225 Subject: Re: petition From: valerio zhyin chris bull wrote:Hello friends and colleagues, If you feel that war is not the answer, then read on and sign this petition. 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Pietrokovsky (C.F.)Argentina 173) Naschel Prina (Capital Federal)Argentina 174) Daniela Gozzi (Capital Federal)Argentina 175) Paula Elisa Kvedaras (CapitalFederal)Argentina 176) Antonio Izquierdo (Valencia) Espana 177) Ana Belen Perez Solsona (Valencia)Espana 178) Paula Folques Diago (Valencia) Espana 179) Nestor Alis Pozo (Valencia) Espana 180) Rafael Alis Pozo (valencia) Spain 181) Isabel Maria Martinez (Valencia)Espana 182) Cristina Bernad Guerrero (Valencia)Espana 183) Iria Barcia Sanchez 184) Elena Barrios Barcia. Uppsala. Suecia 185) Illana Ortiz Martin. Munchen.Alemania 186) Santiago Rodriguez Rasero. MB8nchen.Alemania 187) David AgCBs DCCaz. Pamplona. EspaD2a 188) Juan Luis Ibarretxe. Galdakao. E.H. 189) RubCCn DCCez Ealo. Galdakao. E.H. 190) Marcial Rodr~iguez GarcCCa. Ermua. 191) Imanol Echave Calvo. San Sebastian.Spain 192) BegB7 Ortiz de ZarateLazcano.Vitoria-Gasteiz.Spain 193) David Sanchez Agirregomezkorta.Gasteiz.Euskadi. 194) Alberto RuizDe Alda.Gasteiz.Euzkadi 195) Juan Carlos Garcia Obregon.Vitoria-Gasteiz.Espana 196) Jon Aiarza Lotina. Santander.Spain 197) teresa del Hoyo Rojo. Santander. 198) Celia Nespral Gaztelumendi.Santander. EspaD2a 199) Pedro MartCCn Villamor, Valladolid.EspaD2a 200) Victoria Arratia MartCCn, Valladolid,EspaD2a 201) Javi Tajadura MartCCn,Portugalete,Euskadi.Spain 202) Lourdes Palacios Martin, Bilbao, Spain 203) JesTs Avila de Grado, Madrid, EspaD2a 204) Eva MarCCa Cano LDBpez. Madrid. Spain 205) Emilio Ruiz Olivar, Londres, UK 206) Maru Ortega GarcCCa del Moral,CALAHORRA, ESPA 207) Juan Carlos Ayala, Calvo, LogroCCo, Spain 208) RocC8o MuD2oz Pino, LogroD2o, EspaD2a 209) Ximena Pino Burgos, Santiago, Chile 210) Roberto Saldivia Quezada, Santiago,Chile 211) Paola Gonzalez Valderrama, Santiago,Chile 212) Cesar Morales PeB7 y Lillo, Santiago 213) Denisse Labarca Abdala, Santiago,Chile 214) MarCCa Paz Gonz~alez Garay 215) Daniela Millar Kaiser, Santiago,Chile 216) Alvaro Wigand Perales, Valdivia,Chile 217) Gladys Bustos Carrasco, Quilicura,Chile 218) Patricio Criado Rivera, Quilicura,Chile 219) Carolina Aguilar Monsalve, Valdivia,Chile 220) Carmen Silva Utrilla, Madrid, EspaD2a 221) Martha Yolanda Rodriguez Aviles,Queretaro,Mexico 222) LAURA RODRIGUEZ AVILES,COZUMEL,QUINTANAROO,MEXICO 223) KATIA HAHN, MERIDA, YUCATA1N 224) [Sofia Gallego] Mexicali, B.C. Mexico 225) BEATRIZ CASTA 226) VICTOR KERBER PALMA,Monterrey, Mexico 227) RocC8o SB7nchez Losada, Mexico D.F. 228) Lorenza EstandC8a GonzB7lez Luna, Mexico D.F. 229) Gabriel Gallardo D'Aiuto,Mexico D.F. 230) JosC8 Antonio Salinas, Monterrey, N.L., Mex. 231) Laura Cantu, Mty N.L., Mex 232) Jossie Garcia, Mty N.L Mex 233) Martha VB7zquez GonzB7lez, Mty, N.L.; MC8x. 234) Olga Moreno, Monterrey, NL, Mex 235) Mariana Camargo, Pto. Vallarta, Jal; Mex. 236) Alfonso Villa, Toluca, Mexico 237) Arturo Rodriguez Reyes, Toluca, Edo Mexico, MEXICO 238) Fernanda Villela, Mexico D.F., MEXICO 239) Pilar JimC8nez, Caracas, VENEZUELA 240) Erika Rovelo, Mexico D.F., MEXICO 241) ALEJANDRO LECANDA, CIUDAD DE MEXICO, MEXICO 242) Gabriela Diaz de Sandi, Cd. Mexico, Mexico 243) Jorge Bustamante Orgaz, Ciudad de Mexico, Mexico. 244) JosC8 Bernardo RodrCCguez Montes, Ciudad de Mexico, Mexico 245) Luisa Angela AriD2o Pelez. Ciudad de Mexico, Mexico. 246) Ramses Ricardo Rios Zaragoza, CD de Mexico 247) Rosa MarCCa Lamparero. Ciudad de Mexico. 248) Margarita Palomares . Ciudad de Mexico. MEXICO 249) Carlos Anaya. MEXICO 250) Enrique Garc~ia Menes 251) Loren Walker. United States of America 252) Teresa Mathern, Oregon, USA 253) Linda K. Johnson, Oregon, USA 254) Jennifer Allen, New York City, USA 255) Carla Rudiger, New York City, USA 256) Colleen THomas, New York City, USA 257) Ted Johnson, New York City, USA 258) Youn Hui Jeon, Seoul, Korea 259) Wendy Perron, New York City, USA 260) Risa Jaroslow, New York City, USA 261) Pam Wise, Los Angeles, USA 262) Michael Joyce, New York, USA 263) Bernadine Colish, New York, USA 264) Kent Lebsock, Albuquerque, NM, USA 265) Charmaine White Face, Lakota Nation 266) Pauline Brooks, Cornwall, England 267) Peter Brooks, Cornwall, England 268) Jan Bogaert, Maldegem, Belgium 269) Marc Brailly, Blankenberge, Belgium 270) Sara De Backere, Blankenberge, Belgium 271) YTska Brailly, Blankenberge, Belgium 272) Nemo Braily, Blankenberge, Belgium 273) Viviane Ceulemans, Heist o/d Berg, Belgium 274) Nina de Bruyne, Brugge, Belgium 275) Sjefke Dooms, Breda, Netherlands 276) Frans Fransaer, Moorsel, Belgium 277) Agnes Abramsen, Brussels, Belgium 278) Dany De Man, Meulebeke, Belgium 279) Patrick Beirnaert, Ronse, Belgium 280) Caroline Grauls, Ronse, Belgium 281) Jacques Bisschop, Leke, Belgium 282) Marianne Blom, Rozenburg, Netherlands 283) Jan Geeraerts, Duffel, Belgium 284) Helen Buys, Oudenaarde, Belgium 285) Marc Corvers, Zwevegem, Belgium 286) Ann Labeeuw, Zwevegem, Belgium 287) Frans De Smedt, Hame-Moerzeke, Belgium 288) Aline-Irini Georgiou, Vorselaar, Belgium 289) Chris Peeters, Turnhout, Belgium 290) Tom Van Snick, Zottegem, Belgium 291) Marc Van Wunsel, Wespelare, Belgium 292) Carlos Goedertier, Bottelare-Merelbeke, Belgium 293) Mieke Lammens, Grazen, Belgium 294) Guido Festraets, Grazen, Belgium 295) Kathleen Quirijnen, Vosselaar, Belgium 296) Peter Van Peer, Vosselaar, Belgium 297) Carine Vermeulen, Gent, Belgium 298) Peter Verwimp, Tremelo, Belgium 299) Filip Vissers, Herentals, Belgium 300) Carine Van Wolputte, Herentals, Belgium 301) Vanessa Lecomte, Bruxelles, Belgique 302) Fabienne Havelange, Thuillies, Belgium 303) Claudine Aubert, Estaimpuis, Belgium 304) Leon Degueldre, Thuin, Belgium 305) Pascal JavaloyCBs, Sarralbe, France 306) Martine Roulet, Tours, France 307) Carol A. Bentley, Wales, U.K. 308) Jean Daines, Norwich, England 309) Julie Gillott, Norfolk, England (U.K.) 310) Christine Hewitt, Burnley, Lancs., England 311) Val Linsey, Swnasea, England (UK) 312) Rita Brauner, London, England 313) Ray Foord, Woodford Green, England (UK) 314) Sheryl I. Birch, Buxton, England 315) Anne Grecian, Berwick upon Tweed, England 316) Les G. Jones, Kent, England 317) Julie Lynex, Coventry, W.Midands, England 318) Margaret Nicholl, Enfield, England 319) Ian Moore, Norfolk, England 320) Ron Reardon, Spalding, Lincs. England 321) Muriel Reardon, Spalding, Lincs. England 322) Susan E. Naylor, Cornwall, England 323) Alec H. Moon, Gwent, Wales (UK) 324) Shirley Wayne, Wantage, Oxon., England (UK) 325) Denis Underwood, Bracknell, Berks., England (UK) 326) Lotta Haglund, Vaxholm, Sweden 327) Essi Iso-Oja, Helsinki, Finland 328) Sabine Pohl, Baden-Baden, Germany 329) Richard Ziegler, Eurasburg Loisachtal, Germany 330) Poul Kry Poulsen, Ringsted, Denmark 331) Suzanne HonC8e, Brussels, Belgium 332) Ann Herten, Sterrebeek, Belgium 333) Els Herten, Brussels, Belgium 334) antoinette claypoole, Ashland, Oregon ("usa") 335) Linda Griffith, Huntingdon Valley, Pa USA 336) David L. Winston, Philadelphia, PA USA 337) Joan Franklin, Philadelphia, PA USA 338) Marianne Malitz, Connecticut, USA 339) Kathy O'Rear Oklahoma USA 340) Jodie Evans, Venice, CA USA 341) Georgia Kelly, Sonoma, CA USA 342) Larry Robinson, Sebastopol, CA, USA 343) Maury M. Cooper, San Francisco, CA 344) R. Glendon Brunk, Arizona, USA 345) D. Douglas Dancer, Oregon, US 346) Randall E. 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Singer, Pflugerville, TX USA 108) Milissa Bowen, Austin, TX USA 109) Michelle Jozwiak, Brenham, TX USA 110) Mary Orsted, College Station, TX USA 111) Janet Gardner, Dallas, TX USA 112) Marilyn Hollingsworth, Dallas, TX USA 113) Nancy Shamblin, Garland. TX USA 114) K. M. Mullen, Houston, TX - USA 115) Noreen Tolman, Houston, Texas - USA 116) Laurie Sobolewski, Warren, MI 117) Kellie Sisson Snider, Irving Texas 118) Carol Currie, Garland, Garland Texas 119) John Snyder, Garland, TX USA 120) Elaine Hannan, South Africa 121) Jayne Howes, South Africa 122) Diane Barnes, Akron, Ohio 123) Melanie Dass Moodley, Durban, SouthAfrica 124) Imma Merino, Barcelona, Catalonia 125) Toni Vinas, Barcelona, Catalonia 126) Marc Alfaro, Barcelona, Catalonia 127) Manel Saperas, Barcelona, Catalonia 128) Jordi Ribas Izquierdo, Catalonia 129) Naiana Lacorte Rodes, Catalonia 130) Joan Vitoria i Codina, Barcelona,Catalonia 131) Jordi Paris i Romia, Barcelona,Catalonia 131) Marta Truno i Salvado, Barcelona,Catalonia 132) Jordi Lagares Roset, Barcelona,Catalonia 133) Josep Puig Vidal, Barcelona,Catalonia 134) Marta Juanola i Codina, Barcelona,Catalonia 135) Manel de la Fuente i Colino,Barcelona,Catalonia 136) Gemma Belluda i Ventura, Barcelona,Catalonia 137) Victor Belluda i Ventur, Barcelona,Catalonia 138) MaAntonia Balletbo, barcelona, Spain 139) Mireia Masdevall Llorens, Barcelona,Spain 140) Clara Planas, Barcelona, Spain 141) Fernando Labastida Gual, Barcelona,Spain 142) Cristina Vacarisas, Barcelona, Spain 143) Enric Llarch i Poyo, Barcelona,CATALONIA 144) Rosa Escoriza Valencia, Barcelona,Catalonia 145) Silvia Jimenez, Barcelona, Catalonia 146) Maria Clarella, Barcelona, Catalonia 147) Angels Guimera, Barcelona, Catalonia 148) M.Carmen Ruiz Fernandez, Barcelona,Catalonia 149) Rufi Cerdan Heredia, Barcelona,Catalonia 150) M. Teresa Vilajeliu Roig, Barcelona,Catalonia 151) Rafel LLussa, Girona, Catalonia,Spain 152) Mariangels Gallego Ribo, Gelida,Catalonia 153) Jordi Cortadella, Gelida, Catalonia 154) Pere Botella, Barcelona, Catalonia(Spain) 155) Josefina Auladell Baulenas, Catalunya(Spain) 156) Empar Escoin Carceller, Catalunya(Spain) 157) Elisa Pla Soler, Catalunya (Spain) 158) Paz Morillo Bosch, catalunya (Spain) 159) Cristina Bosch Moreno, Madrid (Spain) 160) Marta Puertolas, Barcelona (Spain) 161) Elisa del Pino (Madrid) Spain 162) Joaquin Rivera (Madrid) Spain 163) Carmen Barral (Madrid) Spain 164) Carmen del Pino (Madrid) Spain 165) Asuncion del Pino (Madrid) Spain 166) Asuncion Cuesta (Madrid) Spain) 167) Ana Polo Mediavilla (Burgos) Spain 168) Mercedes Romero Laredo (Burgos)Espana 169) Oliva Mertinez Fernandez (Burgos)Espana 170) Silvia Leal Aparicio (Burgos) Espana 171) Claudia Elizabeth Larrauri (BahiaBlanca),Argentina 172) Federico G. Pietrokovsky (C.F.)Argentina 173) Naschel Prina (Capital Federal)Argentina 174) Daniela Gozzi (Capital Federal)Argentina 175) Paula Elisa Kvedaras (CapitalFederal)Argentina 176) Antonio Izquierdo (Valencia) Espana 177) Ana Belen Perez Solsona (Valencia)Espana 178) Paula Folques Diago (Valencia) Espana 179) Nestor Alis Pozo (Valencia) Espana 180) Rafael Alis Pozo (valencia) Spain 181) Isabel Maria Martinez (Valencia)Espana 182) Cristina Bernad Guerrero (Valencia)Espana 183) Iria Barcia Sanchez 184) Elena Barrios Barcia. Uppsala. Suecia 185) Illana Ortiz Martin. Munchen.Alemania 186) Santiago Rodriguez Rasero. MB8nchen.Alemania 187) David AgCBs DCCaz. Pamplona. EspaD2a 188) Juan Luis Ibarretxe. Galdakao. E.H. 189) RubCCn DCCez Ealo. Galdakao. E.H. 190) Marcial Rodr~iguez GarcCCa. Ermua. 191) Imanol Echave Calvo. San Sebastian.Spain 192) BegB7 Ortiz de ZarateLazcano.Vitoria-Gasteiz.Spain 193) David Sanchez Agirregomezkorta.Gasteiz.Euskadi. 194) Alberto RuizDe Alda.Gasteiz.Euzkadi 195) Juan Carlos Garcia Obregon.Vitoria-Gasteiz.Espana 196) Jon Aiarza Lotina. Santander.Spain 197) teresa del Hoyo Rojo. Santander. 198) Celia Nespral Gaztelumendi.Santander. EspaD2a 199) Pedro MartCCn Villamor, Valladolid.EspaD2a 200) Victoria Arratia MartCCn, Valladolid,EspaD2a 201) Javi Tajadura MartCCn,Portugalete,Euskadi.Spain 202) Lourdes Palacios Martin, Bilbao, Spain 203) JesTs Avila de Grado, Madrid, EspaD2a 204) Eva MarCCa Cano LDBpez. Madrid. Spain 205) Emilio Ruiz Olivar, Londres, UK 206) Maru Ortega GarcCCa del Moral,CALAHORRA, ESPA 207) Juan Carlos Ayala, Calvo, LogroCCo, Spain 208) RocC8o MuD2oz Pino, LogroD2o, EspaD2a 209) Ximena Pino Burgos, Santiago, Chile 210) Roberto Saldivia Quezada, Santiago,Chile 211) Paola Gonzalez Valderrama, Santiago,Chile 212) Cesar Morales PeB7 y Lillo, Santiago 213) Denisse Labarca Abdala, Santiago,Chile 214) MarCCa Paz Gonz~alez Garay 215) Daniela Millar Kaiser, Santiago,Chile 216) Alvaro Wigand Perales, Valdivia,Chile 217) Gladys Bustos Carrasco, Quilicura,Chile 218) Patricio Criado Rivera, Quilicura,Chile 219) Carolina Aguilar Monsalve, Valdivia,Chile 220) Carmen Silva Utrilla, Madrid, EspaD2a 221) Martha Yolanda Rodriguez Aviles,Queretaro,Mexico 222) LAURA RODRIGUEZ AVILES,COZUMEL,QUINTANAROO,MEXICO 223) KATIA HAHN, MERIDA, YUCATA1N 224) [Sofia Gallego] Mexicali, B.C. Mexico 225) BEATRIZ CASTA 226) VICTOR KERBER PALMA,Monterrey, Mexico 227) RocC8o SB7nchez Losada, Mexico D.F. 228) Lorenza EstandC8a GonzB7lez Luna, Mexico D.F. 229) Gabriel Gallardo D'Aiuto,Mexico D.F. 230) JosC8 Antonio Salinas, Monterrey, N.L., Mex. 231) Laura Cantu, Mty N.L., Mex 232) Jossie Garcia, Mty N.L Mex 233) Martha VB7zquez GonzB7lez, Mty, N.L.; MC8x. 234) Olga Moreno, Monterrey, NL, Mex 235) Mariana Camargo, Pto. Vallarta, Jal; Mex. 236) Alfonso Villa, Toluca, Mexico 237) Arturo Rodriguez Reyes, Toluca, Edo Mexico, MEXICO 238) Fernanda Villela, Mexico D.F., MEXICO 239) Pilar JimC8nez, Caracas, VENEZUELA 240) Erika Rovelo, Mexico D.F., MEXICO 241) ALEJANDRO LECANDA, CIUDAD DE MEXICO, MEXICO 242) Gabriela Diaz de Sandi, Cd. Mexico, Mexico 243) Jorge Bustamante Orgaz, Ciudad de Mexico, Mexico. 244) JosC8 Bernardo RodrCCguez Montes, Ciudad de Mexico, Mexico 245) Luisa Angela AriD2o Pelez. Ciudad de Mexico, Mexico. 246) Ramses Ricardo Rios Zaragoza, CD de Mexico 247) Rosa MarCCa Lamparero. Ciudad de Mexico. 248) Margarita Palomares . Ciudad de Mexico. MEXICO 249) Carlos Anaya. MEXICO 250) Enrique Garc~ia Menes 251) Loren Walker. United States of America 252) Teresa Mathern, Oregon, USA 253) Linda K. Johnson, Oregon, USA 254) Jennifer Allen, New York City, USA 255) Carla Rudiger, New York City, USA 256) Colleen THomas, New York City, USA 257) Ted Johnson, New York City, USA 258) Youn Hui Jeon, Seoul, Korea 259) Wendy Perron, New York City, USA 260) Risa Jaroslow, New York City, USA 261) Pam Wise, Los Angeles, USA 262) Michael Joyce, New York, USA 263) Bernadine Colish, New York, USA 264) Kent Lebsock, Albuquerque, NM, USA 265) Charmaine White Face, Lakota Nation 266) Pauline Brooks, Cornwall, England 267) Peter Brooks, Cornwall, England 268) Jan Bogaert, Maldegem, Belgium 269) Marc Brailly, Blankenberge, Belgium 270) Sara De Backere, Blankenberge, Belgium 271) YTska Brailly, Blankenberge, Belgium 272) Nemo Braily, Blankenberge, Belgium 273) Viviane Ceulemans, Heist o/d Berg, Belgium 274) Nina de Bruyne, Brugge, Belgium 275) Sjefke Dooms, Breda, Netherlands 276) Frans Fransaer, Moorsel, Belgium 277) Agnes Abramsen, Brussels, Belgium 278) Dany De Man, Meulebeke, Belgium 279) Patrick Beirnaert, Ronse, Belgium 280) Caroline Grauls, Ronse, Belgium 281) Jacques Bisschop, Leke, Belgium 282) Marianne Blom, Rozenburg, Netherlands 283) Jan Geeraerts, Duffel, Belgium 284) Helen Buys, Oudenaarde, Belgium 285) Marc Corvers, Zwevegem, Belgium 286) Ann Labeeuw, Zwevegem, Belgium 287) Frans De Smedt, Hame-Moerzeke, Belgium 288) Aline-Irini Georgiou, Vorselaar, Belgium 289) Chris Peeters, Turnhout, Belgium 290) Tom Van Snick, Zottegem, Belgium 291) Marc Van Wunsel, Wespelare, Belgium 292) Carlos Goedertier, Bottelare-Merelbeke, Belgium 293) Mieke Lammens, Grazen, Belgium 294) Guido Festraets, Grazen, Belgium 295) Kathleen Quirijnen, Vosselaar, Belgium 296) Peter Van Peer, Vosselaar, Belgium 297) Carine Vermeulen, Gent, Belgium 298) Peter Verwimp, Tremelo, Belgium 299) Filip Vissers, Herentals, Belgium 300) Carine Van Wolputte, Herentals, Belgium 301) Vanessa Lecomte, Bruxelles, Belgique 302) Fabienne Havelange, Thuillies, Belgium 303) Claudine Aubert, Estaimpuis, Belgium 304) Leon Degueldre, Thuin, Belgium 305) Pascal JavaloyCBs, Sarralbe, France 306) Martine Roulet, Tours, France 307) Carol A. Bentley, Wales, U.K. 308) Jean Daines, Norwich, England 309) Julie Gillott, Norfolk, England (U.K.) 310) Christine Hewitt, Burnley, Lancs., England 311) Val Linsey, Swnasea, England (UK) 312) Rita Brauner, London, England 313) Ray Foord, Woodford Green, England (UK) 314) Sheryl I. Birch, Buxton, England 315) Anne Grecian, Berwick upon Tweed, England 316) Les G. Jones, Kent, England 317) Julie Lynex, Coventry, W.Midands, England 318) Margaret Nicholl, Enfield, England 319) Ian Moore, Norfolk, England 320) Ron Reardon, Spalding, Lincs. England 321) Muriel Reardon, Spalding, Lincs. England 322) Susan E. Naylor, Cornwall, England 323) Alec H. Moon, Gwent, Wales (UK) 324) Shirley Wayne, Wantage, Oxon., England (UK) 325) Denis Underwood, Bracknell, Berks., England (UK) 326) Lotta Haglund, Vaxholm, Sweden 327) Essi Iso-Oja, Helsinki, Finland 328) Sabine Pohl, Baden-Baden, Germany 329) Richard Ziegler, Eurasburg Loisachtal, Germany 330) Poul Kry Poulsen, Ringsted, Denmark 331) Suzanne HonC8e, Brussels, Belgium 332) Ann Herten, Sterrebeek, Belgium 333) Els Herten, Brussels, Belgium 334) antoinette claypoole, Ashland, Oregon ("usa") 335) Linda Griffith, Huntingdon Valley, Pa USA 336) David L. Winston, Philadelphia, PA USA 337) Joan Franklin, Philadelphia, PA USA 338) Marianne Malitz, Connecticut, USA 339) Kathy O'Rear Oklahoma USA 340) Jodie Evans, Venice, CA USA 341) Georgia Kelly, Sonoma, CA USA 342) Larry Robinson, Sebastopol, CA, USA 343) Maury M. Cooper, San Francisco, CA 344) R. Glendon Brunk, Arizona, USA 345) D. Douglas Dancer, Oregon, US 346) Randall E. Streets, Hood River, Oregon, USA 347) Chandra Radiance, Hood River, Oregon 348) Mary Harmon, White Salmon, WA, USA 349) Jean Fay Harmon, Neskowin, OR USA 350) Julie Reynolds-Otrugman, Lincoln City, OR USA 351) Sener Otrugman, Lincoln City, OR USA 352) Mary Lyn Villaume, Cairo, Egypt 353) Christian Arandel, Cairo, Egypt 354) Dania Rifai, Beirut, Lebanon20 355) Nada Awar, Beirut, Lebanon 356) Mouna Schaheen, Olney, MD USA 357) Nabiha Ayoub, Olney, MD USA 358) Habeeb Zein, Olney, MD USA 359) Norah Greenstein, New York, NY, USA 360) Audrey Shahin, Ashtabula, OH, USA 361) Vishali Shahin Oakland Ca) USA 362) Elena Wood, Syracuse, NY USA 363) Steven Wood, Syracuse, NY USA 364) Barry Kapke, Petaluma, CA, USA 365) Ann Mari Spector, Petaluma, CA, USA 366) Jim Berns, Sebastopol, CA, USA 367) Beth Gallock, Sebastopol, CA USA 368) Maikaaloa Clarke, CA USA 369) DeAnna L'am, Sebastopol, Ca, USA 370) Julian Shaw, Sebastopol, CA, USA 371) Katya Miller, Santa Fe, NM, USA 372) Vijali Hamilton, Castle Valley, Utah, USA 373) Andrew Beath, Malibu,CA, USA 374) Rebecca Dmytryk, CA, US 375) Jeffrey Ellis, CA USA 376) Norman Gan, Sherman Oaks, CA, USA 377) Tom Greening, Sherman Oaks, CA, USA 378) Marianne Bentzen, Charlottenlund, Denmark 379) Judyth O. Weaver, Mill Valley, Ca, USA 380) David W. Arehart, Lawrence, KS, USA 381) Kay Foley, Columbia, MO, USA 382) Jan Lysaght, Columbia, MO, USA 383) Mine Ezashi, Columbia, MO, USA 384) Toshihiko Ezashi, Columbia, MO, USA 385) Nobuko Kainuma, CA, USA 386) Karen Leonard, Ireland 387) Kevin Murphy, Ireland 388) Stephanie Kohl, Ireland/Germany 389) Marcel Kostyal, NRW, Germany 390) Florent Didier,Troyes, France 391) Diepart, Sandrine, Brussels, Belgium 392) Marianne Putteman, Gent, Belgium 393) Xavier Bastiaense, Ghent, Belgium 394) Hans Gelaude, Ghent, Belgium 395) Mamoudou Guiss? 396) Inne Geypen, Brussels, Belgium 397) Guy Cordeel, Beveren, Belgium 398) Veerle Decante, Beveren, Belgium 399) Lucienne Goormans, Beveren, Belgium 400) Marc Van Molle, Londerzeel, Belgium 401) Martine Gheysen, Machelen, Belgium 402) Marie-Anne Straetmans, Belgium 403) W. Patrick De Wilde, Huldenberg, Belgium 404) Jos? Depuydt, Belgium 404) Maryse Koll, Belgium 405) Anne De Smet, Belgium 406) Mark Hongenaert, Leuven, Belgium 407) Bart Feyaerts, Schriek, Belgium 408) Ann Van Meldert, Houthalen, Belgium 409) Kristien Coussement, Kessel-lo, Belgium 410) Griet Van Impe, Holsbeek, Belgium 411) Filip De Bodt, Herzele, Belgium 412) Marnix Schollaert,Herzele,Belgium 413) Tilly Jacobs, ronse, Belgium 414) Eric Devisscher, Hasselt, Belgi? 415) Linda Bollen, Hasselt, Belgium 416) Guy Steegmans, Antwerpen, Belgium 417) Lucie Spranghers, Gent, Belgium 418) Geert Colpaert, Gent, Belgium 419) Nard Besseling, Spijkenisse, The Netherlands 420) Hanneke Wiegers, Groet, The Netherlands 421) Martin Wanzenried, Schiedam, The Netherlands 422) Monique Lansdorp, Utrecht, The Netherlands(+drums!) 423) Rajyashree Ramamurthi, UK 424) Colin Waurzyniak, UK 423) Sophie McDonald, Southampton, UK 424) Ele Carpenter, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK 425) Jeff Price Newcastle upon Tyne UK 426) Scott Tyrrell, Manchester UK 426) Louise Hepworth, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK 427) Toby Lowe, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK 428) Bernie Dodds, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK 429) Jeff Cleverly, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK 430) Xenia Beliayeva, Hamburg, Germany 431) Mark Moore, London, UK 432) Pascal Gabriel, London, UK 433) Val Boyko, Wayne, PA, USA 434) Joan Mount, Philadelphia, PA, USA 435) Beverly Lee Carroll, Penn Valley, PA USA 436) Christine C. Greenwood, Villanova, PA USA 437) Judith N. Williams, Havertown, PA USA 438) Nansee New, Fort Bragg, CA 95437 439) Sharon Hansen, Albion CA 95410 440) Tom Wodetzki, Albion CA 95410 441) Linda Jupiter, Fort Bragg, CA 95437 442) Virginia R. Harris, Santa Rosa, CA 95409 443) Patricia Albers, Mountain View, CA 94043 444) Benjamin McKendall, Mountain View, CA 94043 445) Sarah Hobson, San Rafael, CA 94901, USA 446) L. C. Tyagi, GRAVIS, Jodhpur, India 447) Michael Mery, Pt. Reyes Station, CA 448) Sandra Holland, Inverness, CA 94937 449) Wade Holland, Inverness, CA 94937 450) Leslie CORRELL, Oakland, CA 94618 USA 451) Gyongy Laky, SF CA USA 452) Jerome Carlin, Berkeley, CA 94708 USA 453) Joy Carlin, Berkeley, CA 94708 USA 454) Sands Hall, CA 95959 USA 455) Molly Fisk, Nevada City, CA 95959 USA 456) Robert Kriegel Nevada City CA 95959 USA 457) Marilyn Harris Kriegel Nevada City CA 95959 458) Thomas Yeomans, Concord MA 01742 USA 459) Anne Yeomans, Concord, MA 01742 USA 460) Joe D"Arrigo. Boston.MA 02110 USA 461) Peggy Markel, Boulder, CO 80306 USA 462) Susan Edwards, Bolder, CO 80304 USA 463) Cynthia Carr, New York City 464) Dave King, Brooklyn, NY 11201 465) Franklin Tartaglione, Brooklyn, NY 11201 466) Wayne Koestenbaum, New York City, 10011 USA 467) Reva Wolf, New Paltz, NY 12561 USA 468) Loretta Lorance, New York, NY, USA 10034 469) Neil Jackson, York, England 470) barbara lamprecht, pasadena USA 91104 471) Rene Rodriguez, Los Angeles USA 90293 472) Paola Bassett, Los Angeles, CA, USA, 90065 473) William Simonian, Whittier, CA, USA, 90603 474) Maaike Evers, San Francisco, CA, 94103 475) Christophe Koch, San Francisco, CA 94301 USA 476) Ingrid Ballmann, San Francisco, CA 94110 USA 477) Christiane Forstnig, Barcelona, Spain 478) Joao Amorim, London, UK 479) Moema Martins, Rio de Janeiro, Brasil 480) Chris Bull481)valerio zhyin"You can't better the world by simply talking to it. Philosophy to be effective must be mechanically applied." - Buckminster Fuller 226 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:36:06 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: petition From: Machinelf this is not a good forum for sending out petitions. there are so many circulating, and if one comes through here then pretty soon we'll get them every fucking day :-) 227 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: petition From: valerio zhyin Machinelf wrote: this is not a good forum for sending out petitions. there are so many circulating, and if one comes through here then pretty soon we'll get them every fucking day :-) Machinelf wrote: this is not a good forum for sending out petitions. there are so many circulating, and if one comes through here then pretty soon we'll get them every fucking day :-) 228 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:02:46 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: petition From: Machinelf u get leeway valerio cuz yer from new orleans where this whole mess started! :-) 229 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:07:46 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: petition From: Machinelf From: "scott" sstuart at csionline> Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 12:53 pm Subject: RAVE Act Stalled in House Newsbrief: RAVE Act Stalled in House, Could Be Dead for the Year http://www.drcnet.org/wol/258.html#raveactstalled Foreign policy may have caused a healthy distraction from domestic drug war policy this year, as the House of Representatives went into recess Friday without taking action on the RAVE Act, which would dramatically expand federal "crack house" statutes to include any venue where drugs are consumed. The act has seen growing opposition and defections in the Senate, but it was the lack of time, not organized opposition, that apparently did in the bill for this year. According to a report from the Drug Policy Alliance's RAVE Act point-man, Bill Piper, the House Subcommittee on Crime held a hearing on the bill Thursday, but failed to vote on it because of the imminent recess. Still, wrote Piper, the Senate will be in session through next week, "so we have to keep the Senate version from passing and setting a bad precedent." The ultimate aim is to defeat the bill entirely, but opponents are prepared to offer amendments to make a bad bill slightly better if it appears headed for passage. Two original cosponsors of the Senate Bill, Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Richard Durbin (D-IL) have withdrawn their support for the bill. Visit the Electronic Music Defense and Education Fund at http://www.emdef.org to join the effort against the act. From: "scott" sstuart at csionline> Date: Fri Oct 11, 2002 12:53 pm Subject: RAVE Act Stalled in House Newsbrief: RAVE Act Stalled in House, Could Be Dead for the Year http://www.drcnet.org/wol/258.html#raveactstalled Foreign policy may have caused a healthy distraction from domestic drug war policy this year, as the House of Representatives went into recess Friday without taking action on the RAVE Act, which would dramatically expand federal "crack house" statutes to include any venue where drugs are consumed. The act has seen growing opposition and defections in the Senate, but it was the lack of time, not organized opposition, that apparently did in the bill for this year. According to a report from the Drug Policy Alliance's RAVE Act point-man, Bill Piper, the House Subcommittee on Crime held a hearing on the bill Thursday, but failed to vote on it because of the imminent recess. Still, wrote Piper, the Senate will be in session through next week, "so we have to keep the Senate version from passing and setting a bad precedent." The ultimate aim is to defeat the bill entirely, but opponents are prepared to offer amendments to make a bad bill slightly better if it appears headed for passage. Two original cosponsors of the Senate Bill, Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Richard Durbin (D-IL) have withdrawn their support for the bill. Visit the Electronic Music Defense and Education Fund at http://www.emdef.org to join the effort against the act. 230 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:48:50 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: petition From: Machinelf alright i'll shut up i'm an idiot! 231 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:40:19 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: petition From: projectutopia In a message dated 10/11/02 11:35:14 AM Time, djzhyin writes: > Ingrid Ballmann, San Francisco, CA 94110 USA > 477) Christiane Forstnig, Barcelona, Spain > 478) Joao Amorim, London, UK > 479) Moema Martins, Rio de Janeiro, Brasil > 480) Chris Bull > 481)valerio zhyin > "You can't better the world by simply talking to it. Philosophy to be > effective must only 500 hundred poeple so far, dam lol. what wa shti ssigned at a party. In a message dated 10/11/02 11:35:14 AM Time, djzhyin writes: Ingrid Ballmann, San Francisco, CA 94110 USA 477) Christiane Forstnig, Barcelona, Spain 478) Joao Amorim, London, UK 479) Moema Martins, Rio de Janeiro, Brasil 480) Chris Bull 481)valerio zhyin "You can't better the world by simply talking to it. Philosophy to be effective must only 500 hundred poeple so far, dam lol. what wa shti ssigned at a party. 232 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 13:21:54 Subject: Fwd: TSUNAMI presents HALLOWEEN in TRANCEsylvania To: dragontribe, psy-trance at dewline, NYC604, brainmachines From: krsnalotus i heard its gonna be koxbox and someone else and a new venue too i heard its gonna be koxbox and someone else and a new venue too 233 Subject: who's got the cosmosis cd? From: valerio zhyin 234 Subject: who's got the cosmosis cd? From: valerio zhyin if u have the new cosmosis cd, please contact me if u want 2 trade.... 236 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:17:12 Subject: Re: Dream To: goa69 From: Machinelf In a message dated 10/14/02 3:10:30 PM Time, goa69 writes: > how was earthdance in nyc? we had delta and spirallianz and tegma here, it > was ok. its very ravy here, lotsa young kids, lotsa neon, lotsa bullshit! > oh > well, might be back in a bit! Sofi earthdance was great. there was a HUGE ball that was like a dodocahedron that was like 10' in diameter, very heavy, tossed around like a beach ball... but it was HUGE, and like a viral monster, every 15 seconds it would roll over you and squash you like a bug. despite some sound problems early on everything got kicking. we are finally warming up that space so it's becoming like home. the following day we had our Synthetic Shamans aya trip up north. wonderful, tripppy. mamma mia on broadway... i finally have enough dough to take you! In a message dated 10/14/02 3:10:30 PM Time, goa69 writes: how was earthdance in nyc? we had delta and spirallianz and tegma here, it was ok. its very ravy here, lotsa young kids, lotsa neon, lotsa bullshit! oh well, might be back in a bit! Sofi earthdance was great. there was a HUGE ball that was like a dodocahedron that was like 10' in diameter, very heavy, tossed around like a beach ball... but it was HUGE, and like a viral monster, every 15 seconds it would roll over you and squash you like a bug. despite some sound problems early on everything got kicking. we are finally warming up that space so it's becoming like home. the following day we had our Synthetic Shamans aya trip up north. wonderful, tripppy. mamma mia on broadway... i finally have enough dough to take you! 237 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: brain candy From: Jacob Sabat Close but no cigar. He quotes alot of people, but he is not talking from direct experiencing of what is happening. Direct experiencing is possible when there is the capacity to feel with total energy what is happening every moment without distortion. Seeing the whole all the time. When all the words & ideas drop away, then there direct experiencing of everything as it is happening. It is then & only then can we know what lies beyond the material world. To be anchored in that, brings the life that is eternal--true love, peace, beauty that is beyond all understanding. Paul Smith wrote: oh sorry.. i'll repost the link.. and it is..: http://www.hotbitscafe /go/maitreya/quantum.html it's not the authors site.. but it is the complete paper... for some reason the authors site is down right now.. check it out.. if the link dosn't work for some reason.. leme know and i'll post the paper as a file attachment.. free your mind, -paul. steve wrote: hey paul, I for one never saw it... see you at synthetic -steve ----- Original Message --From: "ooaurora" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:22 PM Subject: [NYC604] Re: and in this corner... > so i'm guessing that no one read the brain candy.. > > --- In NYC604 at y..., js at s... wrote: > > Quoting krsnalotus at a...: > > > > > ya for all th single men without babies > > > Hey Smartass keep your opinions to yourself:O) > > > > > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo Close but no cigar. He quotes alot of people, but he is not talking from direct experiencing of what is happening. Direct experiencing is possible when there is the capacity to feel with total energy what is happening every moment without distortion. Seeing the whole all the time. When all the words & ideas drop away, thentheredirect experiencing of everything as it is happening. It is then & only then can we know what lies beyond the material world. To be anchored in that, brings the life that is eternal--true love, peace, beauty that is beyond all understanding. Paul Smith wrote: oh sorry.. i'll repost the link.. and it is..: http://www.hotbitscafe /go/maitreya/quantum.html it's not the authors site.. but it is the complete paper... for some reason the authors site is down right now.. check it out.. if the link dosn't work for some reason.. leme know and i'll post the paper as a file attachment.. free your mind, -paul. steve wrote: Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo 238 Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:59:13 , omnitribe Cc: Machinelf Subject: nut ladys website and news: From: "Jonathan Payer" cause murky: here is the nut ladys website: http://www.roadsideamerica /nut/CTOLDmus.html http://tlc.ousd.k12.ca.us/cv/projects/rust_egypt/projects/nut.html#Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! Click Here 239 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:39:40 Subject: Friday - Spectra From: Machinelf Gavin is doing a very small party for spectra, limited capacity (250); i am out the door and won't be here this weekend so if any of you have the info please post it here. Gavin is doing a very small party for spectra, limited capacity (250); i am out the door and won't be here this weekend so if any of you have the info please post it here. 240 To: "NYC604" Subject: Fw: RAVE Act Update and A New Request From: "nan" Subject: RAVE Act Update and A New Request > > 1. RAVE Act Update > 2. CAll Your Federal Candidates Today! Help the Alliance Complete The Drug Policy Voter Guide > > > RAVE ACT UPDATE > > Last week we asked our supporters to call Members of the House > Subcommittee on Crime and request they vote against the RAVE Act or > postpone consideration of the bill. We are happy to report that the > Subcommittee decided not to vote on the RAVE Act, and that the bill > is likely dead in the House for the year. While the Subcommittee's > decision was based largely on the fact it is unlikely that the full > House will have time to vote on the bill before Congress goes out of > session, the Drug Policy Alliance's campaign to slow down and stop > this bill no doubt played a role. > > While we are not out of the water yet (the Senate may still consider > the RAVE Act this week, and Congress may be back in December and > could consider it then), the Drug Policy Alliance's national campaign > has likely stopped the bill for the year. We are very thankful to all > our supporters who called their elected officials and educated them > on the dangers of the RAVE Act. Thank you, thank you, thank you. > > Although the Subcommittee did not vote on the RAVE Act, it did hold a > public hearing on the bill. Graham Boyd, director of the ACLU's Drug > Policy Litigation Project, testified against the RAVE Act and made a > great case that the RAVE Act and the existing crack house law have > problems. A number of Members expressed concerns about the RAVE Act, > including Rep. Bobby Scott, Ranking Members on the Subcommittee. > Boyd's testimony can be read at: > http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/boyd2002.cfm > > If we have sent you this e-mail, it's because you have signed up to > receive legislative updates and action alerts. We would like to > encourage you to sign up to receive our weekly e-newsletter. This > newsletter is sent out every Thursday and updates our supporters on > the status of drug policy reform around the country and around the > world. > > To sign up to receive our free e-newsletter, go to: > http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/managesubscription.asp > ____ > > CALL YOUR FEDERAL CANDIDATE TODAY > > This year, drug policy advocates are facing one of the most critical > election seasons ever. That's why the Drug Policy Alliance has > initiated the first-ever voters guide devoted to drug policy this > year. In order to get a majority of candidates to answer, they need > to hear from you, their constituents! That's why we are asking our > members and supporters to contact every candidate in the country who > has not answered the questionnaire to date. > > Here's what to do: > > 1) Call their offices! Click here to find out the phone number of > candidates near you: > > 2) As a constituent, tell them that drug policy issues are important > to you and that you request (sometimes demand) they fill out Drug > Policy Alliance's voters guide questionnaire. > > 3) Explain that you will likely vote based on their responses, or > lack there of. > > 4) Tell them that the survey can be easily filled in less than five > minutes by returning it via fax to (202)216-0986, by filling it out > online, or by calling us to fill it out orally. > > 5) Every candidate should have received a copy via email, fax, or > both; but if they did not, have them contact our offices immediately > by emailing our project coordinator Chris Mulligan at > cmulligan at drugpolicy.org or by calling (202)216-0035 x 201. > > 6) Finally, explain that as a concerned voter in their district, > refusal to answer is entirely unsatisfactory. > > Drug policy reform is increasingly present in the political > mainstream. Since 1996 voters and state governments have enacted > almost 150 notable drug policy reforms in 46 states. 46 of the 143 > reforms were enacted in 2001 alone; and 2002 is proving to be another > reform-driven year, with 14 reforms enacted as of August. This > survey will serve as a barometer for congressional candidates on > these hot-button issues. Constituents deserve to know how candidates > feel about these issues and with your help we can accomplish this. > So, start calling! > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > You received this message because nan at hipchix is a member of > the mailing list originating from alerts at actioncenter.drugpolicy.org. To > all mailing lists originating from alerts at actioncenter.drugpolicy.org, send an email to > alerts at actioncenter.drugpolicy.org with remove in the subject line. To > individual lists go to > http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/managesubscription.asp > 241 Subject: 1. tonight and 2. next week From: omni tribe 1. tonight Fri October 18th, 02 Spectra presents Peter Didjital at 70 Washington St. Suite 1101 Dumbo i.e. "the brooklyn loft" 2. next week OMNI Tribe presents High Inclination Saturday Oct. 26th at THE LUNATARIUM Full-on, progressive and ambient sounds; 10hrs of music & digital video art; MAIN FLOOR HUMAN BLUE (Sweden) (Spiral Trax, Medium, Flow, U.S.T.A Rec.) LIVE ACT A talented producer for 10 years Dag Walin has received international acclaim and an incredible response from the dance floors all over the world. His live set develops a spacious atmosphere opening the realms of trance and clarity. MINO (Israel/Denmark) (Transonic, Iboga, E, Nova Tekk Rec.) LIVE ACT Minos visual performance stands out as one of the very few trance artists to feature live drumming. With his unique electronic drums set-up and a laptop Mino deliver a full on twisted symphony of rhythms, deep pulsating bass lines and hypnotic effects that keeps the dance floor jumping till the end. INFLUX (Brazil) (Fliperama Music) With killer tracks of his own and remarkable mixing skills from 12 years of music experience, Influx is gaining a wonderful reputation in NYC for his uplifting and professional style. FX>MIKE (New York) (Omni Tribe) Long-time respected DJ of the NY underground trance scene highly regarded for his deep and emotional sounds, no/yes guaranteed to bring that smile to your face. VITALIK vs. SH.I.K.I.D (New York) (Omni Tribe) Dj.Sh.I.K.I.D. is one of Americas most intriguing trance DJs who continually breaks new musical ground. Beginning as Israeli psi trance DJ in 1999 he went on to inspire the New York scene with the latest astonishing progressive vibes a fusion of all that is hard and funky. Vitalik plays the moment and knows how to feel the flow; guiding on a mystical journey into the world of feelings and energies. FUMI (Japan) With a heart like an energizer, Fumi ignites the dance floor with unforgettable full-on sets. CHILLOUT AND PROGRESSIVE AREA ANGELES (Chile) (Chiletrance/6TH ELEMENT) Hailing from Chile, Angeles is well known for her unique style of psychedelic chill-out and trance. She has toured nationally as part of the 6th Element Tour and is also an accomplished artist who has spent years creating beautiful fluorescent banners, decorating parties as part of Chiletrance around the world. GAVIN (Spectra, NY/Nantacket, MA) ..... has been DJing for 4 years. He plays a funky and tribal style of progressive psychedelic trance. His sound takes influence from other styles of electronic music. Gavin has played alongside some of the top producers and DJ's in the scene, from Shiva Chandra and Hux-Flux to Mark Allen and Emok. DIMA vs. DUB.LIK (New York) (Omni Tribe) This duo will lead you to mind and body relaxation with Dima's trippy and colorfully ambient soundscapes over monotonic, foggy and "bassy" steps from DUB.LIK. STEFAN (New York) (Decompression) Eclectic chill out & IDM DECO & VIDEO INSTALATIONS by YDesign & Reality Engine & Ben Extra Powerful sound design by MUSIC FIRST PRODUCTION Location: THE LUNATARIUM (10 Jay St, DUMBO, Brooklyn) The breathtaking 18,000 square-foot venue, with its 30-foot ceilings and its perfect East River skyline view. Security and bar services provided by THE LUNATARIUM Cover: $25 at the door Pre-Sale: $20 at House Of Trance 122 Saint Marks Pl (212) 477-4440 Party 10PM 8AM 18 to enter / 21 to drink - ID a MUST info line: omnitribe links: dumboluna, ydesign.tv, chiletrance, spectranyc, synthetic-sadhus, homeoftrance DIRECTIONS Subway: Take the F to York St and make a right at Jay St. and walk down to John St. or from the A/C at High St. Walk down Washington St., make a right on Front St and a left on Jay St. and walk down to John St. Car: Take Brooklyn Bridge across East River, make right onto Prospect St., left onto Jay St. drive down to John St. 242 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 23:01:45 Subject: Re: [NYC604] 1. tonight and 2. next week From: XDreamer123 . tonight Fri October 18th, 02 Spectra presents Peter Didjital at 70 Washington St. Suite 1101 Dumbo i.e. "the brooklyn loft" Does anyone know anything more about tonight? Like, how much is it? And where is it? and who's playing? :) please, please, let me know Sergei 243 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:17:11 Subject: How was Spectra From: Machinelf how was it? >tonight Fri October 18th, 02 Spectra presents Pete r Didjital at 70 Washington St. Suite 1101 Dumbo i.e. "the br ooklyn loft" how was it? >tonight Fri Oc tober 18th, 02 Spectra presents Peter Didjital at 70 Washington St. Suite 1101 Dumbo i.e. "the brooklyn loft" 244 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] How was Spectra From: "Jason Sannachan" Pretty cool nice little set up pete played some nice svenske sounds cool private party. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: [NYC604] How was Spectra how was it? >tonight Fri October 18th, 02 Spectra presents Peter Didjital at 70 Washington St. Suite 1101 Dumbo i.e. "the brooklyn loft" Lesh Pretty cool nilittle set up pete played some nice svenske sounds cool private party. S ignature" Jason S annachan Studi o Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf [Ismoke DMT ] Sent: Monda y, October 21, 2002 12:17 PM Sub ject: [NYC604] How was Spectra how was it? >toni ght Fri October 18th, 02 Spectra presents Peter Didjital at 70 Washington St. Suite 1101 Dumbo i.e . "the brooklyn loft" --- To unsubscrib roups 245 Subject: RE: [NYC604] How was Spectra From: valerio zhyin hey jason, i'm finally going 2 send u my tech-trance/psy tek cd..u probably have all the tunes already....i only did the mix once(i hate doing them over and over again) so it's not absolutely perfect+ there r a few skips on it and i have no idea where they came from....it's not my cds.... hopefully u guys will have a party sometime b4 i go back 2 brasil in december.... take care... boom!!!!!!! hey jason, i'm finally going 2 send u my tech-trance/psy tek cd..u probably have all the tunes already....i only did the mix once(i hate doing them over and over again) so it's not absolutely perfect+ there r a few skips on it and i have no idea where they came from....it's not my cds.... hopefully u guys will have a party sometime b4 i go back 2 brasil in december.... take care... boom!!!!!!! 246 To: "NYC604" Subject: And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) From: "nan" AOL Keyword: the incas black, the page is white Hello :- Well we're spoiled this week. For one great week, it's all back in sync and it all ma kes sense again. Astral Projection's new one is a lot better than we expec ted, Space Buddha catapults us back to those "tearing the leaves off the tr ees in Goa" days (thanks Doz), Toires take us travelling with them and Spir al Trax brought us the lovely Amtrax single, one of the best slabs of vinyl of the year. Who says the scene's phucked? :AC) Cheers, Damion Don' t forget the reviews archive thank you. Astral Projection Amen Nova T ekk / Phonokol (Israel) If you've never heard of Astral Projection, then y ou're in need of a slap upside the face with a very large and very wet salm on. Which, ironically, is what Astral projection do. Amen is fat, bustling, uplifting and so unashamedly Goan it makes you think you've gone back in t ime and it's 1996 again (in a good way, mind.) Title track Amen opens the a lbum, and it's straight in, with a kind of menacing, rising vibe. The trade mark Astral full power backend is on display here like a drag queen on gay pride day - proud, happy, defiant - and you're glad that Astral are back. C haos is more in keeping with their sound over the last couple of albums - a kind of linear, clubby streak with melodies wibbling as the full-throttle downlayer drives it along. A nice breezy break later, and cascading melodie s rise for the main section, with a filtered finale that'll blow you away. Infinite Justice is swirly yet linear stuff, the melodies you'll either lov e or hate, but this does have fantastic movement which even the slightly do dgy chord changes don't spoil. The Nexus is what psychedelic historians wil l one day refer to as Astral Classique. Starts nowhere, and builds up swirl s aplenty, melodies all over the place, and the definite presence of their edgey psychedelic energy that's been absent from more recent material. Love ly. Techno Drom goes a little darker, and they manage to pull it off quite nicely - brooding chords, a huge rising vibe and peppered with a lovely 303 that gets the tears of nostalgia welling up nicely. 1,000,000 Years From N ow is a frantically-bpm'd demo of what these guys can do best. It sounds ve ry live, very spontaneous - it has that energy right from the start and you 've got no choice, and this is before the soaring synths and addictive stom plines do their business. Anything Is Possible sounds incongruous to the re st of the album, it must be getting on a year older than the rest of it and while it's fine, it's fluffier production and the fact that it's been cane d to death since its release on Transient last year makes it stick out like a porn actress with natural breasts. Heaven's Gate features some great mel odic manipulation that'll have Yahel taking notes till Christmas. The defi ant, triumphant feel might be a little too saccharine for some, but who'd b egrudge Astral that. Electric Blue ends the album in an awesome style - aga in it's Astral fresh from the peak time live performance slot, and full of night madness. Of the whole album, and out of anything they've laid down in the last couple of years, Electric Blue is one of their most classic, enjo yable, and genuinely transporting tunes in ages. All very well then, but is there anything new here? Well, yes. Most significantly they sound for the first time like a band - they've been out and toured the world and they bro ught this energy right to life on this album. Second up, there's a more mat ure and progressive edge to the production that makes for an updated, confi dent sound. Add to this their wonderful energetic sound, done here in perha ps the most accomplished way yet, and you're looking at one damn fine relea se. More Info: www.phonokol Various Progression Plusquam ( Germany) If sparklingly-produced deep progressive is your bag, you may hav e found what you're looking for. Progression, compiled by DJ Laureth, gives a home to eight cutting edge progressive trancers with depth and sheen. Fi lur aka the mighty Seb from Son Kite / Ooze kicks off in a sub-heavy stylee , and sounds like old A house through a psychedelic blender. Cute percus sive squelches are all over the place and drive it through to a nicely laye red, revolving tune. Buzz's Do I? is sparklingly layered in a kind of post- atmos style, it's percussive with a certain dubby energy and it sucks you r ight in. Mark Allen's Hopefiend project offers Right Time (Ready Steady Mix ), an unremarkable housey low end groove with a few scifi stabs littered ar ound. And he pops up again with Quirk's Dynamic Twist. On the strength of t his, we might see another Quirk resurgence - it's filtered tech-house with deliciously fat analogue blobs seeping out keeping a linear, club-friendly vibe to the Quirk sound. We go several steps darker, and a wee but faster, with Necton's From Here to Yer Ear, with fat hardcore stabs over energetic techno percussion that all in all lacks a bit of psychedelic energy to flin g you around the room. Frogacult's Chinese Wood is a nicely-engineered bit of morning'y trance, with remarkable interwoven samples that'll freak you o ut no end. All the pads 'n stabs are in the right places, and it got that g ood balance of uplifting without being cheesy. Tegma feat Franco step in wi th Big Bardajona On A Pasteleira (okay), a very visual and sparky tune with nice deep samples and a busy, uppy groove; and finally Trancefeld's Music Is More is a slow builder with trademark Trancefeld texturing, and a nice d reamy vibe to end the album. Progression is a nice, if nondescript, collect ion of clean progressive numbers that represents the current spectrum deftl y. More info: www.plusquam-records.de Space Buddha Jungle Of W ishes Agitato (Israel) Agitato are on fine form at the moment, spearheadin g the latest iteration in full on psychedelic party music, one of the fines t sounds to have surfaced in recent years. Jungle of Wishes adds Space Budd ha firmly to the roster populated by the likes of Astrix and Psydrop with a confident technicolour trance vibe. In Denial kicks things off in a space cat stylee - very powerful, energetic, and with a killer groove. Liquid Sky follows and it's pure isralien, with bustling 16th bass and filters everyw here. A twisting top end breakdown leads it into an explosive knees-up fina le with sparks flying out the speakers. Overfly Zone takes progressive stab s and dubby bits and whips them up into a full on frenzy - pure intelligent fullon, with the energy and depth of GMS. Jungle of Wishes goes a lot deep er, again fusing progressive elements with full power psychedelic trance. I t's got more twist than spaghetti, more balls than Fifa and a wonderful thr ee-dimensional pong groove. Macrocosm takes another hit of liquid and throw s itself off the mountaintop, it's full of dark(ish) energy, escalating fil tered lines, and a huge fat wonderful earbleeding grinning hooray motherfuc ker of a groove - you'll dance holes in your shoes to this one. Paranormal Input is less individual but still retains all the madness and flipout elem ents, with a powerful 303 dance that'll get your brain going in the right d irection. I Think Therefore I Am would have Descartes gurning like a baboon , it's frantic and fast and just what you need. Elevation starts out a biza rre mess of sound which gradually reforms into a hefty 4-4 stomp. Funky sta bs, sawcut synths and the mother of all grooves finish this album off in st yle. It's all good stuff, but there's one gripe. On all but the last track, the production sounds a little weak - almost compressed like an mp3 (and y es, we are reviewing the finished product here.) Breakdowns lose their edge on occasions with an overtly digital sound, and it's only on Elevation tha t the sound really leaps out and farts in your face like it should. This wo uld be pretty much indispensable if not for this: it's blistering and devil ishly enjoyable music that could have done with another round of mastering. More info: www.agitato.co.il Kiwa Dreamtime Enhancer Surreal Audi o Unfortunately I don't know too much about Kiwa - for someone like me, a CD without a press release is like a teacher having a textbook without the answers. Nevertheless I will perform my duty and talk about the music rath er than what the people behind the music - Make Louhio, with or without Mat ti Elsinen and Kris Kylven on drums (see, I can read the inside of a CD) - like to eat for breakfast. Cricket In The Ear kicks off with a percussive, jostling jazzy vibe. The percussion really sticks out as being excellent he re, with a definite live feel, and good squelch adding to the layering. Tra ns-Electronic has a kind of kraftwerk-on-A vibe, with electro sauce over a frenetic psychedelic breakbeat backbone. Rally Spirit is a corker, a rea l liquid dancefloor moment with bags of energy and dubby soundholes that ad d to the hypnotising factor. Digital Hangover is a semi-messy breakbeat sho woff, while the heavy handed Neutralize is pure mechanoid 4-4 bliss. Dramat ic Display of Insanity is 2-step jungle through a blender, with a kind of l ate Eat Static sound that's evident on a lot of the album. Kiva Runner is s ort of like a heavy tribal Ayahuasca trip in the middle of downtown Tokyo - cultures blend and boundaries are malleable, and Deceptive Antiseptic is a wkward bleed-chill that takes an electro philosophy and sodomises it in its parent's living room. Divider again returns to the psychedelic dancefloor with a frantic and haywire pattern that's great for random flinging about o f arms, Nasty Drop is psychedelic disco in widescreen, and finally Lahti Sk yline closes proceedings in a cinematic, advert-friendly bit of videogame b ackdrop breakbeat. This is nice stuff and the dancefloor moments are nice a nd frenzied with depth and experimentation that's nice to see. However, som e of the more freeform breakbeat moments disappear up their own basslines, which is alienating and more a musician display showcase than anything else . This album is very clever - and just maybe a bit too clever. More i nfo: www.surrealaudio Toires Sanati Backroom Beats (UK) Twisted' s global chillage breakbeat sibling has excelled itself this time. Florian Seriot, the bodhisattva-like brain behind Toires, has been trekking in the hills of Morocco. He takes the sounds he found - chanting, insects, ambienc e - and fuses them with a very personal, almost spiritual, pattern of conte mplative breakbeat that's a joy to experience. The album has a very fluid f eel, and despite threatening to get very new-agey it steers clear of the ab undant incense, hundred dollar buddhas and dangling quartz vibe by having s ome bloody clever musical twists and turns. So while it's perfect backdrop for your confused late night struggles with a rizla, background music it re ally ain't. It's difficult to get right into this track by track, because o ne strongly suspects that this isn't the idea - it weighs in at just shy of 50 minutes and is best listened to as one long, reflective, global conscio usness composition. To say any more would just be filler. This is truly som ething different, and if you're after some intelligent chillage then this i s just what you're looking for. It has everything you'd expect from a chill ed CD, and bags more besides - intelligence, atmosphere, experimentation, a nd beauty that literally overflows. Sanati is a strong contender for downte mpo album of the year. More info: www.twisted.co.uk Or www.toires. com for info on Florian's travels (which does actually lend a lot to the mu sic.) Various Inca:Nations TipWorld (UK) And it kicks off in style - with Astrix & Atomic Pulse's Scientific Reality. This has got to be my pe rsonal tune of the year - wherever I've been, this has come with me. Full p ower but with a very mature, restrained feel over the top, it sounds wonder ful on this with some impressive mastering making it sound more robust than it does on the other albums it's raised its wonderful head on this year. ( And, of course, a widely-available release on vinyl can only be a good thin g.) Logic Bomb follow up in style, with Vector. Pure digital LB, with seasi ck hinges and one kick ass unforgettable groove. Yummy. Safi Connection con tinue on their winning streak with Beyond Your World, a deep and growly tun e that's well pitched to the just-before-menacing time on the dancefloor, m aking good use of a proggy, airy break. GMS' remix of Talamasca's Speaking Robot again fits well on a sweaty dancefloor, with knees well and truly rai sed to chin level as the awesome melodic runs lift you up and down. Up next is Oforia's remix of Spacecat's Power Up. Of all the mixes of this tune, i t's this one that's really stood out - it's as though the tune is gated and released slowly by Oforia, and when it comes out with that huge vocal hook it's a full scale trance celebration of the sort that doesn't come along v ery often these days. Indian Jackpot from Sub 6 is a little incongruous - a shpongle sample (according to the press release) warped around, filtered, massaged for over eight minutes with little else to write home about. Lucki ly Beat Bizarre drop a killer with Swallow, forthcoming 12" and an absolute belter. It's metallic and sci-fi just as you'd expect from Beat Bizarre, b ut with much more depth and danceability than on their previous stuff. Hair -raising. Then, excitingly, it's GMS's remix of Eat Static's Implant. Perha ps I should say that again: Implant. By Eat Static. Old one. Good one. Remi xed by GMS. Yes? It uses that trademark Eat Static hook, cryogenically froz en and thawed out in the 25th century. Analogue Alines propel it along, while some machinery throws a benny in the background. All goes well until GMS drop a very clean keyboard stab, borrowed perhaps from Ferry Corsten, t hat either makes for a good balance between low end tecchy and high end smo othness, or doesn't work at all. Jury's out on that one - but all in all it works and does the original proud. Finally Infected Mushroom & Yahel team up for Electro Panic. Multilayered lines and bustling percussion carry it a long with analogue belches and a sort of depeche mode vocal midsection. All in all this, if you perhaps skip Sub 6's tune, is a corker. You're looking at eight worthy tunes, five of which are utterly awesome and three of whic h are damn essential. A clear, concise and blistering snapshot of trance in 2002. More info: www.tipworld.co.uk Various Virtual Trance 3 - Solar Transmission Agitato (Israel) Previous Virtual Trance releases have been good, consistent compilations that never really got the credit or reco gnition they deserved. The eight tracks, compiled by DJ Indica, are sort of half-mixed; they fade into each other, so it's good for home listening and , if it's not quite DJ-friendly, it's at least DJ-polite. Synchro kicks off with Atomic, after too long an absence. It's pure synchro in his clatterin g brilliance - a bassline with more 16th's flying around than ought to be p ermissible by law. Groove-A-Tech's Arise is a chuggy, atmospheric tune that to my mind needs to be pitched up a touch; still, it's effective and has a couple of surprises and fits well in the mix. Wizzy Noise's wonderful Proc ess sends things into metallic, bladerunner territory which rises and peaks nicely around a textures, robotic groove. Lemurians are up next, Moment si gnalling a change in trajectory as we have a delicious filtered synthlead b uilding up, and catapulting out into a frenzied dirtkicker. Bamboo Forest's Spektral changes the pace again and has the present writer salivating at t he prospect of the album. Funky, ballsy, positive, and dynamic with a groov e you can wiggle your arse to. The sounds are huge and deep, they're thrown around the speakers with shaolin precision and deftness, all in all jolly nice whichever way you look at it. Psydrop's Afrotech races for the dawn, i t's glistening and defiant with huge runs and a seriously energetic spine w ith some surprises in the melody that'll have your hair standing on end. Ov erfly Zone from Space Buddha is full on with progressive touches, and packe d to the rim with energy, and closing tune Lies from Hamasutrance has melod ies soaring high, and a groove that's tight but baggy. Virtual Trance 3 is alright, but it doesn't catch the real spirit of 2002 full power stuff as m uch as other releases around at the moment. More info: www.agitato.co .il ------SINGLES Amtrax Atomliner EP Spiral Trax (Sweden) The ide a is enough to get you going - Tomasz Balicki and Marcus Maichel, aka Atmos and that bloke from X-Dream. Hooray! And the result is damn fine. Atomline r has production as clear as a bell, it chugs along nicely in a morning-ish sort of way and quickly achieves, and then maintains, a perfect balance of sounds. The effect on 12" is mesmerising - it's a truly gorgeous vinyl mom ent. Over to the flip and Citylinerhas melodies building up and layering pe rfectly, prting just enough to let you groove along happily in the middle. Damn fine progressive with a sheer, clean finish. Finally Techliner is more jumpy and with the emphasis on layered percussive elements. All in all a n ice EP, now can we have an album please? 5 Tromesa Epileptik Dens / Luz Blus Spiral Trax (Sweden) Polish act Tromesca are back to cofuse and conf ound. Epileptik Dens is busy n' schitzo, with lots of sounds everywhere and a real three dimensional feel going on. The production's awesome and the g roove is a let-loose, shaky one rather than a linear stomp marathon. An inc redibly bizarre 80's synthpop / electro section brings it to a close, confu sing and confounding just as I said it would (see above.) Luz Blus is hefti er, with a deep-set bassline you feel more than hear. It escalates into a s weaty mashup that takes no prisoners, again with first rate production ramm ing it all home. An interesting and top notch release. 4 H.S. Oregano / Landscape Bazooka 10 (Germany) H.S. is Har-El Prusky (California Sunshine, Adrenalin Drum)and Sharon Jackobson, and this release on Bazooka 10 is an oddity. Oregano has a linear, clubby texture but it' more than meets the ey e. The sounds evolve and morph like vintage R&S / Soma techno, and it's hug ely listenable with generous, immaculately-produced pads, happy twists and nice filters. The sort of thing you might dance to at dawn, with the sun wa rming up your face. It's nostalgic in a Jam & Spoon way, whereas Landscape on the flip is an embarassment. It's darker and has a real Berlin feel to i t, a menacing low end and a high-end that juxtaposes it. The effect here is really one that should have come out years ago - there's nothing here that would date it past 1993, and while that's he reason you love Oregano, here it's just dull. 2 Radio Bit Just a quick reminder that t here's an archived mix by Tristan mix at Groovetech, get in there. And while you're there, check Lucas (TipWorld, London) who has a monthly show on Groovetech where he mashes everything together in one go, and on Novembe r 4th from 10:00am - 12:00am (UK time - an hour later for European) Rikki R ocket (aka Richard, label manager of TIP/10 Kilo and Surround Sounds) guest s. We'll send out a reminder next week but thissounds like a definite one to watch! The Reviews Our mission has always been to offer bro ad, honest reviews of more releases than any other source. Unlike print-bas ed magazines, we're not constricted by space if it prevents us getting deep into the music to tell you what it's really like. Unlike web-based reviews , we don't get abusive nor do we prejudice music on the basis of the good o ld minimal-vs-fullon divide. We mark honestly - we take the average benchma rk of three stars as the basis for an average release. Everything starts ou t with a mark of three stars. Genuine innovation or classy tunes will help bump up an album to 4 stars - meaning it's well worth checking out - or eve n to the insane five star mark - an absolute classic that we won't stop rec ommending to you unless you punch us in the face. Likewise a lack of vision , a lack of interest, or a dull old rehash of tunes available elsewhere wil l push a release down to a disappointing 2 or the disgraceful, stay away on e star. No bullshit, no hype. And if we make you laugh, it was purely inten tional. Hype us up -3D- psytrancereviews at btinternet ------------ Reta il We do get asked a lot about where these releases are buyable. And gener ally your best bet is tocheckout the major online stores. We recommend (and this is based purely on past experiences as being customers, and not becau se they supply us with anything other than top notch service) Chaos Unlimit ed and Saiko Sounds. Both can ship worldwide, both offer competitive pricin g, and both have good delivery times for anywhere on the planet. For USA-ba sed sales, we've had www.trancetrax recommended to us on a couple of oc casions, though we do stress we've not used them... however, apparently the ir prices are good, their shipping is reasonable and fast, and the selectio n is pretty good, so that rather takes care of that. Top 10 This week it's DJ Rafadelic from Holland who plays mainly small events, the nex t one being on 30 november at Nexus in Utrecht(www.nexusparties.nl). Nice o ne, and remember if you fancy sticking a top 10 together then go for it, if you're not playing in front of thousands then hey that's cool, we want to know what's rocking your discman too :o) Get a mail to psytrancereviews at bt internet with "Top 10" in the subject line... 01 Audiomatic - Trees (A P) 02 Damage - Distorted Visions (Timecode) 03 Trancefeld - Schwarze Schrau be (Plastic park) 04 Ear Gear - Trancehousexpress - Ticon Remix(Hadshot) 05 Dark Soho - Madness (Hovek Olam) 06 X-Dream - Thorazin (Nova Tekk) 07 Spir allianz - Battlejuice (Spirit Zone) 08 Etnoscope - Pigs Go To Hell (Digital Structures) 09 Aphid Moon - A Lot Of Radio (Flying Rhino) 10 Amtrax - City liner (Spiral Trax) DJ Rafadelic is also kind enough to offer his "This mi ght get you Shpongled" Triptip: Hawkwind - "Electric Tepee" & "It Is The Business Of The Future" (Both On Castle Communications) DISCLAIMER: listen ing to hawkwind may cause you to develop a beard. Calling Every one The new Global Eyes is out soon... this is a unique taster of electron ic music packaged with a dead nice calendar that features a whole host of l ovely psychedelic art. The next CD will feature unreleased stuff from Phony Orphants, Precision and East ofthe River Ganges, and it sounds like it's g onna be sweet. If you want more info, and/or you can help on this project i n any way, get on over to www.globaleyes .au Other Shite at NTI (C)OPYRIGHT - distribute freely - knock damion at btinternet an email if y ou would like to use these on any website you run or have a hand in - pleas e ask! - and tell your buddies to subscribe at www.psyreviews Am gett ing bored of, this week we're using, but more welcome. If you are too an d can suggest another little gif we can use, drop us a mail. Somthing to say - help us pad out the Other Shite section with your news... as we clea rly have none .... psytrancereviews at btinternet -- What Does It All Mean? - avoid. Britney's Dance Beat. - disappoi nting. Stuntman. - good. Burnout 2 - Point of Impact. - wicked. Tony Hawk 's Skateboarding. - a classic. Tetris. Or Halo. Or Mario. You know what I mean. -------Small Print Not that much smaller than the rest of the text, but these reviews are sent directly to 1 591 big-up-the-global-trance-mass ive happy potty people (you) who subscribe to the free weekly blast of revi ews. In addition, they are reproduced on 17 websites whose traffic counts ( as reliable as they are) indicate through a lot of maths... carry the two.. . take away the number you first though of... indicate that these reviews a re viewed by 6 793 people per week. And yes, without YOU that would only b e 6 792. It all helps. AOL Keyword: the incas black, the page is white Hello :- Well we're spoiled this week. For one gr eat week, it's all back in sync and it all makes sense again. Astral Projection's new one is a lot better than we expected, Space Buddha catapults us back to those "tearing the leaves off the trees in Goa" days (thanks Doz), Toires take us travelling with them and Spiral Trax brought us the lovely Amtrax single, one of the best slabs of vinyl o f the year. Who say s the scene's phucked? :AC) Cheers, Dam ion Don't forget the reviews archivethank you. Astral ProjectionAmenNova Tekk / Phonokol (Israel) If you92ve never heard of Astral Projection, the n you92re in need of a slap upside the face with a very large and very we t salmon. Which, ironically, is what Astral projection do. Amen is fat, bu stling, uplifting and so unashamedly Goan it makes you think you92ve gone back in time and it92s 1996 again (in a good way, mind.) Title track Amen opens the album, and it92s straight in, with a kind of menacing, rising vibe. The trademark Astral full power backend is on display here like a dr ag queen on gay pride day 96 proud, happy, defiant 96 and you92re glad that Astral are back. Chaos is more in keeping with their sound over the l ast couple of albums - a kind of linear, clubby streak with melodies wibbl ing as the full-throttle downlayer drives it along. A nice breezy break la ter, and cascading melodies rise for the main section, with a filtered fin ale that92ll blow you away. Infinite Justice is swirly yet linear stuff, the melodies you92ll either love or hate, but this does have fantastic mo vement which even the slightly dodgy chord changes don92t spoil. The Nexu s is what psychedelic historians will one day refer to as Astral Classique . Starts nowhere, and builds up swirls aplenty, melodies all over the plac e, and the definite presence of their edgey psychedelic energy that92s bee n absent from more recent material. Lovely. Techno Drom goes a little dark er, and they manage to pull it off quite nicely 96 brooding chords, a hug e rising vibe and peppered with a lovely 303 that gets the tears of nostal gia welling up nicely. 1,000,000 Years From Now is a frantically-bpm92d d emo of what these guys can do best. It sounds very live, very spontaneous 96 it has that energy right from the start and you92ve got no choice, an d this is before the soaring synths and addictive stomplines do their busi ness. Anything Is Possible sounds incongruous to the rest of the album, it must be getting on a year older than the rest of it and while it92s fine , it92s fluffier production and the fact that it92s been caned to death since its release on Transient last year makes it stick out like a porn ac tress with natural breasts. Heaven92s Gate features some great melodic ma nipulation that92ll have Yahel taking notes till Christmas. The def iant, triumphant feel might be a little too saccharine for some, but who92 d begrudge Astral that. Electric Blue ends the album in an awesome style 96 again it92s Astral fresh from the peak time live performance slot, an d full of night madness. Of the whole album, and out of anything they92ve laid down in the last couple of years, Electric Blue is one of their most classic, enjoyable, and genuinely transporting tunes in ages. All very we ll then, but is there anything new here? Well, yes. Most significantly the y sound for the first time like a band 96 they92ve been out and toured t he world and they brought this energy right to life on this album. Second up, there92s a more mature and progressive edge to the production that ma kes for an updated, confident sound. Add to this their wonderful energetic sound, done here in perhaps the most accomplished way yet, and you92re l ooking at one damn fine release. More Info: www.phonokol VariousProgressionPlusquam (Germany) If sparklingly-produced deep progressive is your bag, you may have found what you92re looking for . Progression, compiled by DJ Laureth, gives a home to eight cutting edge progressive trancers with depth and sheen. Filur aka the mighty Seb from S on Kite / Ooze kicks off in a sub-heavy stylee, and sounds like old A h ouse through a psychedelic blender. Cute percussive squelches are all over the place and drive it through to a nicely layered, revolving tune. Buzz 92s Do I? is sparklingly layered in a kind of post-atmos style, it92s pe rcussive with a certain dubby energy and it sucks you right in. Mark Allen 92s Hopefiend project offers Right Time (Ready Steady Mix), an unremarkab le housey low end groove with a few scifi stabs littered around. And he po ps up again with Quirk92s Dynamic Twist. On the strength of this, we migh t see another Quirk resurgence 96 it92s filtered tech-house with delicio usly fat analogue blobs seeping out keeping a linear, club-friendly vibe t o the Quirk sound. We go several steps darker, and a wee but faster, with Necton92s From Here to Yer Ear, with fat hardcore stabs over energetic te chno percussion that all in all lacks a bit of psychedelic energy to fling you around the room. Frogacult92s Chinese Wood is a nicely-engineered bit of morning92y trance, with remarkable interwoven samples that92ll freak you out no end. All the pads 91n stabs are in the right places, and it g ot that good balance of uplifting without being cheesy. Tegma feat Franco step in with Big Bardajona On A Pasteleira (okay), a very visual and spark y tune with nice deep samples and a busy, uppy groove; and finally Trancef eld92s Music Is More is a slow builder with trademark Trancefeld texturin g, and a nice dreamy vibe to end the album. Progression is a nice, if nond escript, collection of clean progressive numbers that represents the curre nt spectrum deftly. More info: www.plusquam-records.de Space BuddhaJungle Of WishesAgitato (Israel) Agitato are on fine form at the moment, spearheading t he latest iteration in full on psychedelic party music, one of the finest sounds to have surfaced in recent years. Jungle of Wishes adds Space Buddh a firmly to the roster populated by the likes of Astrix and Psydrop with a confident technicolour trance vibe. In Denial kicks things off in a space cat stylee 96 very powerful, energetic, and with a killer groove. Liquid Sky follows and it92s pure isralien, with bustling 16th bass and filters everywhere. A twisting top end breakdown leads it into an explosive knees- up finale with sparks flying out the speakers. Overfly Zone takes progress ive stabs and dubby bits and whips them up into a full on frenzy 96 pure intelligent fullon, with the energy and depth of GMS. Jungle of Wishes goe s a lot deeper, again fusing progressive elements with full power psychede lic trance. It92s got more twist than spaghetti, more balls than Fifa and a wonderful three-dimensional pong groove. Macrocosm takes another hit of liquid and throws itself off the mountaintop, it92s full of dark(ish) en ergy, escalating filtered lines, and a huge fat wonderful earbleeding grin ning hooray motherfucker of a groove 96 you92ll dance holes in your shoe s to this one. Paranormal Input is less individual but still retains all t he madness and flipout elements, with a powerful 303 dance that92ll get y our brain going in the right direction. I Think Therefore I Am would have Descartes gurning like a baboon, it92s frantic and fast and just what you need. Elevation starts out a bizarre mess of sound which gradually reforms into a hefty 4-4 stomp. Funky stabs, sawcut synths and the mother of all grooves finish this album off in style. It92s all good stuff, but there 92s one gripe. On all but the last track, the production sounds a little weak 96 almost compressed like an mp3 (and yes, we are reviewing the fini shed product here.) Breakdowns lose their edge on occasions with an overtl y digital sound, and it92s only on Elevation that the sound really leaps out and farts in your face like it should. This would be pretty much indis pensable if not for this: it92s blistering and devilishly enjoyable music that could have done with another round of mastering. More info: www.agita to.co.il KiwaDreamtime EnhancerSurreal Audio Unfortunately I don92t know too much about Kiwa 96 for someone like me, a CD without a press release is like a teacher having a textbook without the answers. Nevertheless I w ill perform my duty and talk about the music rather than what the people b ehind the music 96 Make Louhio, with or without Matti Elsinen and Kris Ky lven on drums (see, I can read the inside of a CD) 96 like to eat for bre akfast. Cricket In The Ear kicks off with a percussive, jostling jazzy vib e. The percussion really sticks out as being excellent here, with a defini te live feel, and good squelch adding to the layering. Trans-Electronic ha s a kind of kraftwerk-on-A vibe, with electro sauce over a frenetic psy chedelic breakbeat backbone. Rally Spirit is a corker, a real liquid dance floor moment with bags of energy and dubby soundholes that add to the hypn otising factor. Digital Hangover is a semi-messy breakbeat showoff, while the heavy handed Neutralize is pure mechanoid 4-4 bliss. Dramatic Display of Insanity is 2-step jungle through a blender, with a kind of late Eat St atic sound that92s evident on a lot of the album. Kiva Runner is sort of l ike a heavy tribal Ayahuasca trip in the middle of downtown Tokyo 96 cult ures blend and boundaries are malleable, and Deceptive Antiseptic is awkwa rd bleed-chill that takes an electro philosophy and sodomises it in its pa rent92s living room. Divider again returns to the psychedelic dancefloor with a frantic and haywire pattern that92s great for random flinging abou t of arms, Nasty Drop is psychedelic disco in widescreen, and finally Laht i Skyline closes proceedings in a cinematic, advert-friendly bit of videog ame backdrop breakbeat. This is nice stuff and the dancefloor moments are nice and frenzied with depth and experimentation that92s nice to see. How ever, some of the more freeform breakbeat moments disappear up their own b asslines, which is alienating and more a musician display showcase than an ything else. This album is very clever 96 and just maybe a bit too clever . More info: www.surrealaudio ToiresSanatiBackroom Be ats (UK) Twisted92s global chillage breakbeat sibling has excelled itself this ti me. Florian Seriot, the bodhisattva-like brain behind Toires, has been tre kking in the hills of Morocco. He takes the sounds he found 96 chanting, insects, ambience 96 and fuses them with a very personal, almost spiritua l, pattern of contemplative breakbeat that92s a joy to experience. The al bum has a very fluid feel, and despite threatening to get very new-agey it steers clear of the abundant incense, hundred dollar buddhas and dangling quartz vibe by having some bloody clever musical twists and turns. So whi le it92s perfect backdrop for your confused late night struggles with a ri zla, background music it really ain92t. It92s difficult to get right int o this track by track, because one strongly suspects that this isn92t the idea 96 it weighs in at just shy of 50 minutes and is best listened to a s one long, reflective, global consciousness composition. To say any more would just be filler. This is truly somthing different, and if you92re a fter some intelligent chillage then this is just what you92re looking for . It has everything you92d expect from a chilled CD, and bags more beside s 96 intelligence, atmosphere, experimentation, and beauty that literally overflows. Sanati is a strong contender for downtempo album of the year. More info: www.twisted.co.uk Or www.toires for info on Florian92s travels (which do es actually lend a lot to the music.) VariousInca:NationsTipW orld (UK) And it kicks off in style 96 with Astrix & Atomic Pulse92s Sci entific Reality. This has got to be my personal tune of the year 96 where ver I92ve been, this has come with me. Full power but with a very mature, restrained feel over the top, it sounds wonderful on this with some impre ssive mastering making it sound more robust than it does on the other albu ms it92s raised its wonderful head on this year. (And, of course, a widel y-available release on vinyl can only be a good thing.) Logic Bomb follow up in style, with Vector. Pure digital LB, with seasick hinges and one kick ass unforgettable groove. Yummy. Safi Connection continue on their winnin g streak with Beyond Your World, a deep and growly tune that92s well pitc hed to the just-before-menacing time on the dancefloor, making good use of a proggy, airy break. GMS92 remix of Talamasca92s Speaking Robot again fits well on a sweaty dancefloor, with knees well and truly raised to chin level as the awesome melodic runs lift you up and down. Up next is Oforia 92s remix of Spacecat92s Power Up. Of all the mixes of this tune, it92s this one that92s really stood out 96 it92s as though the tune is gated and released slowly by Oforia, and when it comes out with that huge vocal hook it92s a full scale trance celebration of the sort that doesn92t co me along very often these days. Indian Jackpot from Sub 6 is a little inco ngruous 96 a shpongle sample (according to the press release) warped aroun d, filtered, massaged for over eight minutes with little else to write hom e about. Luckily Beat Bizarre drop a killer with Swallow, forthcoming 12 94 and an absolute belter. It92s metallic and sci-fi just as you92d exp ect from Beat Bizarre, but with much more depth and danceability than on t heir previous stuff. Hair-raising. Then, excitingly, it92s GMS92s remix of Eat Static92s Implant. Perhaps I should say that again: Implant. By Ea t Static. Old one. Good one. Remixed by GMS. Yes? It uses that trademark E at Static hook, cryogenically frozen and thawed out in the 25th century. A nalogue Alines propel it along, while some machinery throws a benny in the background. All goes well until GMS drop a very clean keyboard stab, b orrowed perhaps from Ferry Corsten, that either makes for a good balance b etween low end tecchy and high end smoothness, or doesn92t work at all. J ury92s out on that one 96 but all in all it works and does the original proud. Finally Infected Mushroom & Yahel team up for Electro Panic. Mu ltilayered lines and bustling percussion carry it along with analogue belc hes and a sort of depeche mode vocal midsection. All in all this, if you p erhaps skip Sub 692s tune, is a corker. You92re looking at eight worthy tunes, five of which are utterly awesome and three of which are damn essent ial. A clear, concise and blistering snapshot of trance in 2002. More info: www.tipworld.co.u k VariousVirtual Trance 3 - Solar TransmissionAgita to (Israel) Previous Virtual Trance releases have been good, consistent compilati ons that never really got the credit or recognition they deserved. The eig ht tracks, compiled by DJ Indica, are sort of half-mixed; they fade into e ach other, so it92s good for home listening and, if it92s not quite DJ-f riendly, it92s at least DJ-polite. Synchro kicks off with Atomic, after t oo long an absence. It92s pure synchro in his clattering brilliance 96 a bassline with more 16th92s flying around than ought to be permissible by law. Groove-A-Tech92s Arise is a chuggy, atmospheric tune that to my min d needs to be pitched up a touch; still, it92s effective and has a couple of surprises and fits well in the mix. Wizzy Noise92s wonderful Process s ends things into metallic, bladerunner territory which rises and peaks nic ely around a textures, robotic groove. Lemurians are up next, Moment signa lling a change in trajectory as we have a delicious filtered synthlead bui lding up, and catapulting out into a frenzied dirtkicker. Bamboo Forest92 s Spektral changes the pace again and has the present writer salivating at the prospect of the album. Funky, ballsy, positive, and dynamic with a gr oove you can wiggle your arse to. The sounds are huge and deep, they92re thrown around the speakers with shaolin precision and deftness, all in all jolly nice whichever way you look at it. Psydrop92s Afrotech races for t he dawn, it92s glistening and defiant with huge runs and a seriously ener getic spine with some surprises in the melody that92ll have your hair sta nding on end. Overfly Zone from Space Buddha is full on with progressive t ouches, and packed to the rim with energy, and closing tune Lies from Hama sutrance has melodies soaring high, and a groove that92s tight but baggy. Virtual Trance 3 is alright, but it doesn92t catch the real spirit of 200 2 full power stuff as much as other releases around at the moment. More info: www.agitato.co.il SINGLES AmtraxAtomliner EPSpiral Trax (Sweden) The idea is enough to get you going 96 Tomasz Balicki and Marcus Maiche l, aka Atmos and that bloke from X-Dream. Hooray! And the result is damn f ine. Atomliner has production as clear as a bell, it chugs along nicely in a morning-ish sort of way and quickly achieves, and then maintains, a per fect balance of sounds. The effect on 1294 is mesmerising 96 it92s a tr uly gorgeous vinyl moment. Over to the flip and Citylinerhas melodies buil ding up and layering perfectly, prting just enough to let you groove along happily in the middle. Damn fine progressive with a sheer, clean finish. Finally Techliner is more jumpy and with the emphasis on layered percussiv e elements. All in all a nice EP, now can we have an album please? 5 TromesaEpileptik Dens / Luz Blus Spiral Trax (Sweden) Polish act Tromesca are back to cofuse and confound. Epilep tik Dens is busy n92 schitzo, with lots of sounds everywhere and a real t hree dimensional feel going on. The production92s awesome and the groove is a let-loose, shaky one rather than a linear stomp marathon. An incredib ly bizarre 8092s synthpop / electro section brings it to a close, confusi ng and confounding just as I said it would (see above.) Luz Blus is heftie r, with a deep-set bassline you feel more than hear. It escalates into a s weaty mashup that takes no prisoners, again with first rate production ramm ing it all home. An interesting and top notch release. 4 H.S.Oregano / LandscapeBazooka 10 (Germany) H.S. is Har-El Prusky (California Sunshine, Adrenalin Drum)and Sharo n Jackobson, and this release on Bazooka 10 is an oddity. Oregano has a li near, clubby texture but it92 more than meets the eye. The sounds evolve and morph like vintage R&S / Soma techno, and it92s hugely listenable with generous, immaculately-produced pads, happy twists and nice filters. The sort of thing you might dance to at dawn, with the sun warming up you r face. It92s nostalgic in a Jam & Spoon way, whereas Landscape on the flip is an embarassment. It92s darker and has a real Berlin feel to it, a menacing low end and a high-end that juxtaposes it. The effect here is r eally one that should have come out years ago 96 there92s nothing here t hat would date it past 1993, and while that92s he reason you love Oregano , here it92s just dull. 2 Radio Bit Just a quick reminder that there's an archived mix by Trist an mix at Groovetech, get in there. A nd while you're there, check Lucas (TipWorld, London) who has a monthly show on Groovetech where he mashes everything together in o ne go, and on November 4th from 10:00am - 12:00am (UK time - an hour later for European) Rikki Rocket (aka Richard, label manager of TIP/10 Kilo and Surround Sounds) gues ts. We'll s end out a reminder next week but thissounds like a definite one to watch! The Reviews Our mission has always been to offer broad, ho nest reviews of more releases than any other source. Unlike print-based ma gazines, we92re not constricted by space if it prevents us getting deep i nto the music to tell you what it92s really like. Unlike web-based review s, we don92t get abusive nor do we prejudice music on the basis of the go od old minimal-vs-fullon divide. We mark honestly 96 we take the average benchmark of three stars as the basis for an average release. Everything s tarts out with a mark of three stars. Genuine innovation or classy tunes w ill help bump up an album to 4 stars 96 meaning it92s well worth checkin g out 96 or even to the insane five star mark 96 an absolute classic tha t we won92t stop recommending to you unless you punch us in the face. Lik ewise a lack of vision, a lack of interest, or a dull old rehash of tunes available elsewhere will push a release down to a disappointing 2 or the d isgraceful, stay away one star. No bullshit, no hype. And if we make you la ugh, it was purely intentional. Hype us up -3D- psytrancereviews at btinternet Retail We do get asked a lot about where these releases are buyable. And generally your best bet is tochecko ut the major online stores. We recommend (and this is based purely on past experiences as being customers, and not because they supply us with anyth ing other than top notch service) To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) From: "Jason Sannachan" He certainly does has humour. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: nan [nan at hipchix] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) But! It's been one of the more consistenly good lists I've suscribed to. Plus, the dude has a good sense of humor. 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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site 253 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 04:42:25 Subject: Re: [NYC604] How was Spectra From: projectutopia you suk you suk 254 Subject: RE: [NYC604] How was Spectra To: From: "B, Nicholas" ...and the Booker prize goes to projectutopia... -----Original Message--- -- From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tues day, October 22, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [NC604] How was Spectra you suk Your use Message ...and the Booker prize goes to projectutopia.. . -----Original Message-----From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tue sday, October 22, 2002 9:42 AMTo: NYC604Subject: Re: [NYC604] How was Spectrayou suk ---No lies, no one word replies send an e Your 255 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:30:12 Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) From: projectutopia In a message dated 10/21/02 2:11:06 PM Time, js at studiodistribution writes: > Ok I promise I will not say anything bad about your opinion.:O) > okie well your opinion on good musik iz your won, and to eacth is own,your opinion on on parties is way biased, correct then come support parties in ffront of citie hall. were not opposing any genre (fuk genres) were fighting together either youwant to to join ( goa ) or fight for da reality ov whats going on. p.s. you can come tripping..it wont huirt when a cop beats yopu with a batton. trust me....mad love. foodstampz. www.renegadevirus.org In a message dated 10/21/02 2:11:06 PM Time, js at studiodistribution writes: Ok I promise I will not say anything bad about your opinion.:O) okie well your opinion on good musik iz your won, and to eacth is own,your opinion on on parties is way biased, correct then come support parties in ffront of citie hall. were not opposing any genre (fuk genres) were fighting together either youwant to to join ( goa ) or fight for da reality ov whats going on. p.s. you can come tripping..it wont huirt when a cop beats yopu with a batton. trust me....mad love. foodstampz. www.renegadevirus.org 256 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:35:25 Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) From: projectutopia In a message dated 10/21/02 2:26:15 PM Time, js at studiodistribution writes: > Us earth loving hippies there was a particular occasion where some Geezers > made a party and hung loads > hey j, whatever you are, you deserve to die, i dont hope the sniper doesnt get you, but i hope to meet you .!! In a message dated 10/21/02 2:26:15 PM Time, js at studiodistribution writes: Us earth loving hippies there was a particular occasion where some Geezers made a party and hung loads hey j, whatever you are, you deserve to die, i dont hope the sniper doesnt get you, but i hope to meet you .!! 257 Subject: RE: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) To: From: "B, Nicholas" out of pure curiosity projectutopia - how old are you? -----Original Mess age-- From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent : Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) In a mes sage dated 10/21/02 2:26:15 PM Time, js at studiodistribution writes: Us earth loving hippies there was a particular occasi on where some Geezers made a party and hung loads hey j, whatev er you are, you deserve to die, i dont hope the sniper doesnt get you, but i hope to meet you .!! No end an e Message out of pure curiosity projectutopia - how old a re you? -----Original Message-----From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:35 AMTo: NYC604group s Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening P leasure...>;-)In a message dated 10/21/02 2:26:15 PM Time, js at studiodistribution wri tes: Us earth loving hippies ther e was a particular occasion where some Geezers made a party and hung l oadshey j, whatever you are, you deserve to die, i dont hope the sniper doesnt get you, bu t i hope to meet you .!! ---No lies, no one word send an email to: Your use of 258 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:41:03 Subject: Re: [NYC604] How was Spectra From: projectutopia lol./...... everyone suks. lets all protest music together instead of being so oppsite. even bts, has thier own reason for being involves with,music,. lol./...... everyone suks. lets all protest music together instead of being so oppsite. even bts, has thier own reason for being involves with,music,. 259 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:44:30 Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) From: projectutopia sorry but prject utopia waz 24. hes dead now, sonik zolution wil continue to live. sorry all. i just want to cause contriversy amonsgt the underground, lets get to aconclusion,. b.t.w. age is nothing but a number. lol. to yourself... how old are you and what deos it matter i ask you>??? foodstampz. sorry but prject utopia waz 24. hes dead now, sonik zolution wil continue to live. sorry all. i just want to cause contriversy amonsgt the underground, lets get to aconclusion,. b.t.w. age is nothing but a number. lol. to yourself... how old are you and what deos it matter i ask you>??? foodstampz. 260 Subject: RE: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) To: From: "B, Nicholas" duzn-t mattUR - juzt cewriuz ;) love - piece and mushy peaz. -----Or iginal Message-- From: projectutopia [projectutopia . com] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) sorry but prject utopia waz 24. hes dead now, sonik zolution wil continu e to live. sorry all. i just want to cause contriversy amonsgt the undergro und, lets get to aconclusion,. b.t.w. age is nothing but a number. lol. t o yourself... how old are you and what deos it matter i ask you>??? foods tampz. N Message duzn-t mattUR - juzt cewriuz ;) love - piece and mushy peaz. -----Original Message-----From: projectut opia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, Oc tober 22, 2002 10:45 AMTo: NYC604Subje ct: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) sorry but prject utopia waz 24. hes dead now, sonik zolution wil continue to live. sorry all. i just want to cause contriversy amonsgt the underground, lets get to aconclusion,. b.t.w. age is nothing but a number. lol. to yourself...how old are you and what deos it matter i ask you>???foodstampz. ---No ribe from this group, s Your 261 Subject: RE: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) To: From: "B, Nicholas" pz - I'm 29 - very nearly 30 - pity me. -----Original Message-- From: B, Nicholas Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:49 AM at ya hoogroups Subject: RE: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleas ure...>;-) duzn-t mattUR - juzt cewriuz ;) love - piece and m ushy peaz. -----Original Message-- From: projectutopia [mai lto:projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:45 AM To : NYC604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Lis tening Pleasure...>;-) sorry but prject utopia waz 24. hes dead now , sonik zolution wil continue to live. sorry all. i just want to cause cont riversy amonsgt the underground, lets get to aconclusion,. b.t.w. age is nothing but a number. lol. to yourself... how old are you and what deos it matter i ask you>??? foodstampz. N of no event spam the Message pz - I'm 29 - very nearly 30 - pity me. -----Original Message-----From: B,Ni cholas Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:49 AMTo: NYC604Subject: RE: [NYC604] And Somthing Fo r Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) duz n-t mattUR - juzt cewriuz ;) love - piece and mushy peaz. -----Original Message-----From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, Octo ber 22, 2002 10:45 AMTo: NYC604Subje ct: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>; -)sorry but prject utopia waz 24 . hes dead now, sonik zolution wil continue to live. sorry all. i just want to cause contriversy amonsgt the underground, lets get to aconcl usion,. b.t.w. age is nothing but a number. lol. to yourself...how old are you and what deos it matter i ask you>???foodstamp to:NYC604-unsu rms of Service. ---No oup, send an e Your 262 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) From: "Jason Sannachan" I deserve to die .....what the &^ at * why what did I ever do to you......and after saying that the last thing You will want to do is meet me.:O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) In a message dated 10/21/02 2:26:15 PM Time, js at studiodistribution writes: Us earth loving hippies there was a particular occasion where some Geezers made a party and hung loads hey j, whatever you are, you deserve to die, i dont hope the sniper doesnt get you, but i hope to meet you .!! Lesh I deserve to die what the &^ at * why what did I ever d o to youand after saying that the last thing You will want to do is meet me.:O) -s "E-mail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAF F'' -----Original Message--From: proje ctutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:35 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somth ing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) In a message dated 10/21/02 2:26:15 PM Eas tern Daylight Time, js at studiodistribution writes: Us earth loving hippies there was a p articular occasion where some Geezers made a party and hung loads hey j, whatever you are , you deserve to die, i dont hope the sniper doesnt get you, but i hope to meet you .!! ail to: 263 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) From: "Jason Sannachan" Ok regarding this e-mail below could you possibly redraft it in English for me your Ebonics leaves me feeling slightly confused About what you are talking about. And I guess I kind of understood this so I worked on the CJB in London and reclaim the streets and the M11 project probably when you were using pacifiers to stop you from crying mate so do not tell me about fighting a cause As for city hall man I do the trance/techno stage for CURES NOT WARS every year at Battery park so save your '' you can come tripping..it wont huirt when a cop beats yopu with a batton '' bollocks for your little friends. Come correct crap. okie well your opinion on good musik iz your won, and to eacth is own,your opinion on on parties is way biased, correct then come support parties in ffront of citie hall. were not opposing any genre (fuk genres) were fighting together either youwant to to join ( goa ) or fight for da reality ov whats going on. p.s. you can come tripping..it wont huirt when a cop beats yopu with a batton. trust me....mad love. foodstampz. www.renegadevirus.org Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:30 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) In a message dated 10/21/02 2:11:06 PM Time, js at studiodistribution writes: Ok I promise I will not say anything bad about your opinion.:O) okie well your opinion on good musik iz your won, and to eacth is own,your opinion on on parties is way biased, correct then come support parties in ffront of citie hall. were not opposing any genre (fuk genres) were fighting together either youwant to to join ( goa ) or fight for da reality ov whats going on. p.s. you can come tripping..it wont huirt when a cop beats yopu with a batton. trust me....mad love. foodstampz. www.renegadevirus.org Lesh Ok regarding thi s e-mail below could you possibly redraft it in English for me your Ebonics leaves me feeling slightly confused About what you are talking about. And I guess I kind of understood this so I work ed on the CJB in London and reclaim the streets and the M11 project probabl y when you were using pacifiers to stop you from crying mate so do not tell me about fighting a cause As for city hall man I do the trance/techno stage for CURES NOT WAR S every year at Battery park so save your ; you can come tri pping..it wont huirt when a cop beats yopu with a batton ; bollocks for your little friends. Come corr ect crap. oki e well your opinion on good musik iz your won, and to eacth is own,your op inion on on parties is way biased, correct then come support parties in ffr ont of citie hall. were not opposing any genre (fuk genres) were figh ting together either youwant to to join ( goa ) or fight for da reality ov whats going on. p.s. you can come tripping..it wont huirt when a cop bea ts yopu with a batton. trust me....mad love. foodstampz. www.renegadevi rus.org No lies, no on send an e 264 Subject: FLYER: NYC - Sat 10/26: Human Blue, Mino &more at The Lunatarium To: omnitribe, SafetyDance, DRAGONTRIBE, goa-boston, NYC604 From: omni tribe GIF version at http://omnitribe / (flyer by YDesign & Omni Tribe) 265 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:54:25 Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) From: Machinelf haha jason (at studio distribution) and charlie (projectutopia), both of you have *worked* together before and *gotten along* in real life, (at the Hemp rally sound system in battery park) if you guys are going to aim your brain farts at each other at least make it funny :-) and actually i picked a fight on charlie's renegade virus thread about this dude who was knoking blakkat for doing parties with a political flavor ahhhh keepin it real in new york, a never ending job esp. if your idea of reality is psychotic! haha jason (at studio distribution) and charlie (projectutopia), both of you have *worked* together before and *gotten along* in real life, (at the Hemp rally sound system in battery park) if you guys are going to aim your brain farts at each other at least make it funny :-) and actually i picked a fight on charlie's renegade virus thread about this dude who was knoking blakkat for doing parties with a political flavor ahhhh keepin it real in new york, a never ending job esp. if your idea of reality is psychotic! 266 Subject: ANOTHERWISE??? From: valerio zhyin hey, does anybody out there have the ANOTHERWISE comp cd on baluns???? if u do, let's trade..i just got a copy of KISS THE FUTURE 3(ATOMIC) and it's full of progressive tunes, kinda in the style of GAVIN,the dj..... boom!!!!! hey, does anybody out there have the ANOTHERWISE comp cd on baluns???? if u do, let's trade..i just got a copy of KISS THE FUTURE 3(ATOMIC) and it's full of progressive tunes, kinda in the style ofGAVIN,the dj..... boom!!!!! 267 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:42:49 Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) From: projectutopia In a message dated 10/22/02 1:55:55 PM Time, Machinelf writes: > i know sorry J. and list. its so easy to get obsurd and write ridicule at 5 am after a little drinking at a party. wont happen again. charlie. 268 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) From: "Jason Sannachan" Charlie??? When who how.................................... Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: projectutopia [projectutopia ] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) In a message dated 10/22/02 1:55:55 PM Time, Machinelf writes: > i know sorry J. and list. its so easy to get obsurd and write ridicule at 5 am after a little drinking at a party. wont happen again. charlie. 269 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:48:35 Subject: Re: [NYC604] And Somthing For Your Listening Pleasure...>;-) From: Machinelf charlie hooked you and the havok crew for the combined sound system in 2001 charlie hooked you and the havok crew for the combined sound system in 2001 270 Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:38:16 , omnitribe, bhappylove, dantao at erols, edelbecque , Machinelf, Krsnalotus , poojamunshi Subject: Raised by Robots etc... 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Click Here 273 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:47:44 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: >brain actually humans evolved from nuts....... so you can't make a monkey out of > me Dr. Zayus actually YOU evolved into a nut and a naked one at that! In a message dated 10/25/2002 3:31:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, jonpayer writes: actually humans evolved from nuts....... so you can't make a monkey out of me Dr. Zayus actually YOU evolved into a nut and a naked one at that! 274 Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:48:50 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: >brain From: "Mike _" I believe that we're all still just a bunch of apes...specially at trance parties :) Open your eyes >From: Machinelf >Reply- > >Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: >brain>Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:47:44 > >In a message dated 10/25/2002 3:31:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jonpayer writes: > > > actually humans evolved from nuts....... so you can't make a monkey out of > > me Dr. Zayus > >actually YOU evolved into a nut and a naked one at that! 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Click Here Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:48:50 From: "Mike _" Mailing-List: list NYC604; contact NYC604-owner Delivered-To: mailing list NYC604 Precedence: bulk Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: >brain I believe that we're all still just a bunch of apes...specially at trance parties :) Open your eyes >From: Machinelf >Reply- > >Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: >brain>Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:47:44 > >In a message dated 10/25/2002 3:31:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jonpayer writes: > > > actually humans evolved from nuts....... so you can't make a monkey out of > > me Dr. Zayus > >actually YOU evolved into a nut and a naked one at that! Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! Click Here 277 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:21:15 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: >brain are you really going to AZ? whats happening....... yeah In a message dated 10/25/2002 3:56:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, jonpayer writes: are you really going to AZ? whats happening....... yeah 278 Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:09:36 , omnitribe, bhappylove, dantao at erols Cc: edelbecque Subject: pink daemons From: "Jonathan Payer" Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address. resumes at alienware .>: Remote host said: 553 malformed address: resumes at alienware .> --- Below this line is a copy of the message. 20:35:36 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:35:34 From: "jonpayer604" jonpayer > To: resumes at alienware LeshSubject: alienwear able to think in multible dimmensions (though not always coordinate) evolved from a nut sold magik acorns at phantasm party - three for $1 & gave many away at peace protest in central park. likes: tantric sex - (though not sure if i've had it yet) makes: meow noises and quacking sounds motto:lucifersamsiamcat~love~harmony~inner/connection~raiance~..::>>> past:lousy 3 year affair with an AS/400 for various corporate wastelands present: "i give you the past the present and the future" future: redundant vegetarian please set modulation vector for zero zero hello... confirm... subzero pi... 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Click Here 279 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:32:37 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: >brain Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:05:02 Subject: Re: [NYC604] pink daemons From: Machinelf jon, you fuckhead - i provided that address for those looking for jobs. that is irresponsible, not to mention that you'd never get hired with a cover letter like that. it would actually be funny if it was fiction but it ain't. time to consider taking the red pill. jon, you fuckhead - i provided that address for those looking for jobs. that is irresponsible, not to mention that you'd never get hired with a cover letter like that. it would actually be funny if it was fiction but it ain't. time to consider taking the red pill. 281 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:52:38 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: >brain via email; 26 Oct 2002 21:29:07 hey i just got the new shiva-space tech cd and in the credits it says we are bunvh of apes kinda funny kamal hey i just got the new shiva-space tech cd and in the credits it says we are bunvh of apes kinda funny kamal 282 To: "NYC604" Subject: More About 604 >;-) From: "nan" TelexExternal Link Internal LinkInventory Cache 604 PsychedelicT rance This nOde last updated July 29th, 2002 and is permanently morphing.. . (2 Ik' (Wind) / 15 Xul (Dog) - 2/260 - 12.19.9.8.2) The Theory of Hy perspace According to Superstring theory, before the Big Bang, our c osmos was actually a perfect ten-dimensional universe, a world where interd imensional travel was possible. However, this ten-dimensional universe "cra cked" in two, creating two separate universes: a four- and a six- dimensio nal universe. The universe in which we live was born in that cosmic catacly sm. Our four-dimensional universe expanded explosively, while our twin six- dimensional universe contracted violently, until it shrank to almost infini tesimal size. This would explain the origin of the Big Bang. If correct, th is theory demonstrates that the rapid expansion of the universe was just a rather minor aftershock of a much greater cataclysmic event, the cracking o f space and time itself. The energy that drives the observed expansion of t he universe is then found in the collapse of ten-dimensional space and time . According to this theory, the distant stars and galaxies are receding fro m us at astronomical speeds because of the original collapse of ten-dimensi onal space and time. This theory predicts that our universe still ha s a dwarf twin, a companion universe that has curled up into a small six-di mensional ball that is too small to be observed. Dr. Michio Kaku - Profes sor of Theoretical Physics _Hyperspace_, pg.27 64 ---- - a.. Nebula NGC 604 in spiral galaxy M33 b.. 604 SETI team statist ics TelexExternal LinkInternal LinkInventory Cache 604 PsychedelicTrance This nOd e last updated July 29th, 2002 and is permanently morphing... (2 Ik' (Wind) / 15 Xul (Dog) - 2/260 - 12.19.9.8.2) The Theory of Hyperspace According to Superstring theory, before the B ig Bang, our cosmos was actually a perfect ten-dimensional universe, a world where interdim ensional travel was possible. However, this ten-dimensional universe "crac ked" in two, creating two separate universes: a four- and a six- dim ensional universe. The universe in which we live was born in that cosmic c ataclysm. Our four-dimensional univers e expanded explosively, while our twin six-dimensional universe contracted violently, until it shrank to almos t infinitesimal siz e. This would explain the origin of the Big Bang. If correct, this theory demonstrates that the rapid expansion of the universe was just a rather mi nor aftershock of a much greater cataclysmic event, the cracking of space and time itself. The en ergy that drives the observed expansion of the universe is then found in t he collapse of ten-dimensional space and time. According to this theory, t he distant stars and galaxies are receding from us at astronomical speeds because of the original collapse of ten-dimensional space and time. This theory predicts tha t our universe still has a dwarf twin, a companion universe that has curle d up into a small six-dimensional ball that is too small to be observed. Dr. Michio Kaku - Professor of Theoretical Physics _Hyperspace_, pg.27 60->4 N ebula NGC 604 in spiral galaxy M33 604 SETI team statistics 283 To: "NYC604" Subject: Gains in Understanding Human Cells (Keeping A Finger on the Pulse) From: "nan" Gains in Understanding Human Cells October 25, 2002 G ains in Understanding Human Cells By NICHOLAS WADE cientists at the Whitehead Institute in Cambridge, Mass., have made a significant str ide toward understanding how a living cell's operations are controlled by t he information in its genome. The insight, which gives a detailed view of t he cell's computerlike biological circuitry, should help researchers unders tand the cellular programming errors that underlie cancer and other disease s. The study of cells as miniature process-control computers has bee n made possible by several recent advances in technology. One is the DNA de coding machines that have provided the genome, or full DNA sequence, of sev eral different species. The genomes, containing thousands of genes capable of making an even larger number of proteins, have raised in acute form the question of how a cell controls and coordinates the activity of such a comp lex system. Biologists accustomed to working on one gene at a time h ave had to develop new tools to track the activity of thousands of genes si multaneously. One such tool is the microarray, or expression chip, which ca n display which of a cell's genes are switched on and being transcribed to make protein. But the expression chips, while useful, do not by themselves reveal how the cell has chosen to switch on one set of genes and switch off another. In an article in today's issue of the journal Science, Dr. Richard A. Young and colleagues at the Whitehead Institute say they have c ombined expression chips with another technique to work out much of the dec ision-making circuitry whereby a yeast cell switches on different banks of genes to perform several of its major tasks. Yeast cells, which oper ate with some 6,000 genes, are much simpler than human cells, which have ar ound 40,000, but both perform their basic tasks with similar sets of genes, and many discoveries about human cells have been made first in yeast. "This is probably going to be viewed as a landmark paper because it is t he first look on a genomewide scale at protein-DNA interactions and will in vite many more similar experiments," said Dr. Barbara J. Wold, a systems bi ologist at the California Institute of Technology. Dr. Young said h e had started applying his approach to human cells. Dr. Young, a biologist, and his partner, Dr. David K. Gifford, a computer scientist at the Massach usetts Institute of Technology, said their ultimate goal was to devise a co mputer model of the whole cell. "The human genome project produces a parts list and we can now move on to the question of how those parts talk to one another," Dr. Gifford said. Dr. Young and his colleagues have focuse d on the interaction between the genome and the proteome 97 the set of all the different proteins produced by the yeast cell's genes. With the tradit ional gene-by-gene approach, biologists have found that the switches that t urn each gene on are elements called transcription factors. Each factor rec ognizes a specific DNA sequence next to a gene and sets in motion the machi nery that produces the protein specified by the gene's information. The transcription factors are themselves proteins with the ability to inter act with DNA. With the full yeast genome in hand, biologists have been able to detect at least 141 different genes that make transcription factors. Dr . Young's team found ways to tag almost all of the transcription factors in yeast and to catalog which genes they bind to. He found that many of the transcription factors acted to switch on the genes for other transcr iption factors, making circuits somewhat similar to those in electronic net works. Yeast has six types of transcription factor circuits, each designed for controlling banks of genes in different ways. Dr. Young's team s howed that one of these circuits controls the cell cycle, the sequence of e vents in which one cell divides into two, and the cell cycle circuit intera cts with other regulatory circuits that govern genes involved in major acti vities, like metabolism and response to its surroundings. Dr. Michae l Snyder of Yale described the Young team's work as "a great start" toward understanding the wiring diagram of how genes turn proteins on. Dr. Snyder has made similar findings, to be published shortly in the journal Genes & D evelopment, about how transcription factors control the cell cycle in yeast . Dr. Snyder, too, has turned his attention to the wiring diagram of human cells, which he reckons have about 1,000 transcription factors. He s aid he was cataloging the genes controlled by two factors known as p53 and RB that are defective in many cancer cells. Several of the same tran scription factor circuits that Dr. Young described in yeast were reported t his May by Dr. Uri Alon of the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Is rael, who found them in a bacterium. Dr. Alon said that Dr. Young's work wa s "wonderfully inspiring" and would prompt discovery of the transcriptional networks in other types of cell. But the transcription factor netwo rks are only part of the story. Most of the cell's heavy duty computation i s done by direct interactions between the proteins. "The protein interactio ns are more difficult but I believe we are getting there," Dr. Alon said. " The aim of systems biology is to be able to give doctors the same kind of c ontrol over cells as electronic engineers have over their circuits." Dr. Alon said the genome-proteome networks that Dr. Young described handle d the cell's slow computations, such as governing which genetic programs sh ould be executed. Rapid responses, though, are handled by protein-protein i nteractions. Some of these protein-protein interactions, like the c ascades that convey messages from outside the cell to the DNA in its nucleu s, have been well studied, but many more remain to be discovered. This has not stopped systems biologists from discussing how they might construct com puter models of the entire cell. "Even though it's early days, this is a dr eam being held by more and more people," Dr. Wold at Caltech said. Copyright The New York Times Company | Permissions | Privacy Policy Gains in Understanding Human Cells October 25, 2002 Gains in Understanding Human CellsBy NICHOLAS WADE cie ntists at the Whitehead Institute in Cambridge, Mass., have made a s ignificant stride toward understanding how a living cell's operation s are controlled by the information in its genome. The insight, whic h gives a detailed view of the cell's computerlike biological circui try, should help researchers understand the cellular programming err ors that underlie cancer and other diseases. The study of cell s as miniature process-control computers has been made possible by s everal recent advances in technology. One is the DNA decoding machin es that have provided the genome, or full DNA sequence, of several d ifferent species. The genomes, containing thousands of genes capable of making an even larger number of proteins, have raised in acute form the question of how a cell controls and coordinates the activity of suc h a complex system. Biologists accustomed to working on one gene at a time have had to develop new tools to track the activ ity of thousands of genes simultaneously. One such tool is the micro array, or expression chip, which can display which of a cell's genes are switched on and being transcribed to make protein. But the expr ession chips, while useful, do not by themselves reveal how the cell has chosen to switch on one set of genes and switch off another. In an article in today's issue of the journal Science, Dr. Richa rd A. Young and colleagues at the Whitehead Institute say they have combined expression chips with another technique to work out much of the decision-making circuitry whereby a yeast cell switches on diff erent banks of genes to perform several of its major tasks. Yeast cells, which operate with some 6,000 genes, are much simpler tha n human cells, which have around 40,000, but both perform their basi c tasks with similar sets of genes, and many discoveries about human cells have been made first in yeast. "This is probably going to be viewed as a landmark paper because it is the first look on a genomewide scale at protein-DNA interactions and will invite m any more similar experiments," said Dr. Barbara J. Wold, a systems b iologist at the California Institute of Technology. Dr. Young said he had started applying his approach to human cells. Dr. Young , a biologist, and his partner, Dr. David K. Gifford, a computer sci entist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said their ulti mate goal was to devise a computer model of the whole cell. "The human genome project produces a parts list and we can now move on to the question of how those parts talk to one another," Dr. Gifford said. Dr. Young and his colleagues have focused on the interaction betwee n the genome and the proteome 97 the set of all the different prote ins produced by the yeast cell's genes. With the traditional gene-by -gene approach, biologists have found that the switches that turn ea ch gene on are elements called transcription factors. Each factor re cognizes a specific DNA sequence next to a gene and sets in motion t he machinery that produces the protein specified by the gene's infor mation. The transcription factors are themselves proteins with the ability to interact with DNA. With the full yeast genome in han d, biologists have been able to detect at least 141 different genes that make transcription factors. Dr. Young's team found ways to tag almost all of the transcription factors in yeast and to catalog whic h genes they bind to. He found that many of the transc ription factors acted to switch on the genes for other transcription factors, making circuits somewhat similar to those in electronic ne tworks. Yeast has six types of transcription factor circuits, each d esigned for controlling banks of genes in different ways. Dr. Young's team showed that one of these circuits controls the cell cycle, the sequence of events in which one cell divides into two, and t he cell cycle circuit interacts with other regulatory circuits that govern genes involved in major activities, like metabolism and respo nse to its surroundings. Dr. Michael Snyder of Yale des cribed the Young team's work as "a great start" toward understanding the wiring diagram of how genes turn proteins on. Dr. Snyder has ma de similar findings, to be published shortly in the journal Genes &a mp; Development, about how transcription factors control the cell cy cle in yeast. Dr. Snyder, too, has turned his attention to the wiring diagram of human cells, which he reckons have about 1,000 tr anscription factors. He said he was cataloging the genes controlled by two factors known as p53 and RB that are defective in many cancer cells. Several of the same transcription factor circuits that Dr. Young described in yeast were reported this May by Dr. Uri Alon of the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Israel, who found them in a bacterium. Dr. Alon said that Dr. Young's work was "wonder fully inspiring" and would prompt discovery of the transcriptional n etworks in other types of cell. But the transcription f actor networks are only part of the story. Most of the cell's heavy duty computation is done by direct interactions between the proteins . "The protein interactions are more difficult but I believe we are getting there," Dr. Alon said. "The aim of systems biology is to be able to give doctors the same kind of control over cells as electron ic engineers have over their circuits." Dr. Alon said the geno me-proteome networks that Dr. Young described handled the cell's slo w computations, such as governing which genetic programs should be e xecuted. Rapid responses, though, are handled by protein-protein int eractions. Some of these protein-protein interactions, like t he cascades that convey messages from outside the cell to the DNA in its nucleus, have been well studied, but many more remain to be dis covered. This has not stopped systems biologists from discussing how they might construct computer models of the entire cell. "Even thou gh it's early days, this is a dream being held by more and more peop le," Dr. Wold at Caltech said. Copyright The New York Times Company | Permissions | Privacy Policy 284 To: "NYC604" Subject: Russia-Theater-Raid-Gas (Scary Sh*t) From: "nan" Experts: Valium Gas Used in Raid October 26, 2002 Exp erts: Valium Gas Used in Raid By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed a t 6:12 p.m. ET Military experts and toxicologists say Russian comma ndos probably pumped a gas containing Valium into a Moscow theater to subtl y disable and disorient heavily armed Chechen rebels prior to Saturday's dr amatic assault. Russian authorities didn't identify the gas used in the operation, which freed hundreds of hostages but also resulted in the de aths of more than 100 captives and rebels. Officials claimed none of the ho stages were killed by the gas. Several nations, including the United States, have developed a variety of non-lethal incapacitating agents, whic h can also induce choking, nausea or blurry vision, depending on their reci pes. According to some hostages inside the theater, they realized th ey were becoming sleepy and confused, but no one reported seeing a vapor cl oud, smelling a chemical or experiencing the sort of irritating symptoms as sociated with tear gas and pepper spray. Experts said the Russians m ay have released a gas concentration of a powerful sedative like Valium or may have used a form of BZ gas, a hallucinogenic drug widely researched in the 1960s that works more slowly. ``The thing that pops into my mind is aerosolized Valium,'' said Dr. Christopher Holstege, medical toxicology director at the University of Virginia. ``But there isn't much literature out there on it. There is talk of using it as a riot control agent.'' Others said the agent used by the Russians didn't seem to be like anythin g that has been part of the U.S. arsenal. ``It's no surprise that th e Russians have that kind of stuff,'' said Ron Madrid, a former Marine and an expert on non-lethal weaponry at Pennsylvania State University. ``They s pent 30 years putting it together. We're prevented from doing that by treat y and executive order.'' Russian television reported the gas was dis persed through the theater's ventilation system. Workers were seen digging around sewers and steam pipes near the theater in the first day of the cris is. One Interfax News Agency employee among the captives in the thea ter said the rebels appeared ready to kill all the hostages, ``then somthi ng happened.'' ``I lost consciousness and woke up in the emergency r oom,'' said Olga Chernyak. ``It must have been some special gas.'' O utside City Hospital No. 13, Galina Dolotova said her 32-year-old daughter, Olga, appeared to have been one of the hostages least affected by the gas, but even at that ``she was in terrible shape'' when she was brought in. Holstege said people exposed to aerosolized Valium would feel sleepy a nd confused. At sufficiently high levels, it could compromise breathing and oxygen supply to vital organs. ``It sedates you, so you would feel hung over,'' Holstege said ``People don't remember events well afterward. I f it was administered in a theater full of people with guns and explosives, it might confuse them as to what was going on so they could not shoot.'' Experts also mentioned BZ, or 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, as a possibi lity for the gas used by the Russians. BZ was a research focus of th e U.S. Army during the Cold War at the former Edgewood Area labs near Washi ngton. It belongs to a class of drugs known as anticholinergics that interr upt the brain's chemical messaging system between cells, leading to confusi on and hallucinations. It needs an hour to take effect, so authorities woul d've had to release it into the theater long before the actual assault. BZ also produces a tendency to fall asleep, and government reports show that soldiers in its U.S. development program nicknamed it the ``sleeping agent.'' The delirium it induces can last two or three days. ``The R ussians could've used BZ in the theater, but perhaps in higher concentratio ns,'' Holstege said. A recent U.S. Air Force paper on nonlethal weap ons said ``calmative'' agents reportedly were used by Soviet troops against Afghan guerrillas during their 1980-89 war. The American and Britis h militaries have discussed developing calmative weapons that would incapac itate or repel people. The effort intensified in the 1990s after hostile mo bs confronted U.S. troops during peacekeeping and humanitarian missions in places like Somalia, Bosnia and Haiti. In 2000, researchers at a Pen tagon-funded institute at Penn State prepared a 50-page report that said de veloping calmative weapons ``is achievable and desirable'' and suggested dr ugs like Valium for further research. However, it is unclear whether such weapons would violate the convention banning the use of chemical weap ons, officials said. Copyright The Associated Press | Privacy Poli cy Experts: Valium Gas Used in Raid October 26, 2 002 Experts: Valium Gas Used in RaidBy THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 6:12 p.m. ET Military experts and toxicologists say Russian co mmandos probably pumped a gas containing Valium into a Moscow theate r to subtly disable and disorient heavily armed Chechen rebels prior to Saturday's dramatic assault. Russian authorities di dn't identify the gas used in the operation, which freed hundreds of hostages but also resulted in the deaths of more than 100 captives and rebels. Officials claimed none of the hostages were killed by th e gas. Several nations, including the United States, have deve loped a variety of non-lethal incapacitating agents, which can also induce choking, nausea or blurry vision, depending on their recipes. According to some hostages inside the theater, they realized they were becoming sleepy and confused, but no one reported seeing a vapor cloud, smelling a chemical or experiencing the sort of irrita ting symptoms associated with tear gas and pepper spray. Experts said the Russians may have released a gas concentration of a powerful sedative like Valium or may have used a form of BZ gas, a hallucinogenic drug widely researched in the 1960s that works more slowly. ``The thing that pops into my mind is aerosolized Val ium,'' said Dr. Christopher Holstege, medical toxicology director at the University of Virginia. ``But there isn't much literature out t here on it. There is talk of using it as a riot control agent.'' Others said the agent used by the Russians didn't seem to be like anything that has been part of the U.S. arsenal. ``It' s no surprise that the Russians have that kind of stuff,'' said Ron Madrid, a former Marine and an expert on non-lethal weaponry at Penn sylvania State University. ``They spent 30 years putting it together. We're prevented from doing that by treaty and executive order.'' Russian television reported the gas was dispersed through the theater' s ventilation system. Workers were seen digging around sewers and st eam pipes near the theater in the first day of the crisis. One Interfax News Agency employee among the captives in the theater said the rebels appeared ready to kill all the hostages, ``then somthi ng happened.'' ``I lost consciousness and woke up in th e emergency room,'' said Olga Chernyak. ``It must have been some spe cial gas.'' Outside City Hospital No. 13, Galina Dolotova said her 32-year-old daughter, Olga, appeared to have been one of the ho stages least affected by the gas, but even at that ``she was in terr ible shape'' when she was brought in. Holstege said peo ple exposed to aerosolized Valium would feel sleepy and confused. At sufficiently high levels, it could compromise breathing and oxygen supply to vital organs. ``It sedates you, so you would feel hu ng over,'' Holstege said ``People don't remember events well afterwa rd. If it was administered in a theater full of people with guns and explosives, it might confuse them as to what was going on so they c ould not shoot.'' Experts also mentioned BZ, or 3-quinuclidiny l benzilate, as a possibility for the gas used by the Russians. BZ was a research focus of the U.S. Army during the Cold War at th e former Edgewood Area labs near Washington. It belongs to a class o f drugs known as anticholinergics that interrupt the brain's chemica l messaging system between cells, leading to confusion and hallucina tions. It needs an hour to take effect, so authorities would've had to release it into the theater long before the actual assault. BZ also produces a tendency to fall asleep, and government reports show that soldiers in its U.S. development program nicknamed it the ``sleeping agent.'' The delirium it induces can last two or three da ys. ``The Russians could've used BZ in the theater, but perhap s in higher concentrations,'' Holstege said. A recent U .S. Air Force paper on nonlethal weapons said ``calmative'' agents r eportedly were used by Soviet troops against Afghan guerrillas durin g their 1980-89 war. The American and British militaries have discussed developing calmative weapons that would incapacitate or re pel people. The effort intensified in the 1990s after hostile mobs c onfronted U.S. troops during peacekeeping and humanitarian missions in places like Somalia, Bosnia and Haiti. In 2000, researchers at a Pentagon-funded institute at Penn State prepared a 50-page rep ort that said developing calmative weapons ``is achievable and desir able'' and suggested drugs like Valium for further research. However, it is unclear whether such weapons would violate the convention banning the use of chemical weapons, officials said. Cop yright The Associated Press | Privacy Policy 285 Subject: Re: any reviews?? To: omnitribe, SafetyDance, DRAGONTRIBE, goa-boston, NYC604 From: omni tribe well, no words can describe how was it..... no there are some - Wow, oHHH, ahhhh.. Thanks to all involved! PS: we've got back over a dozen of confiscated pipes, one mini knife and some other supplies... please email omnitribe to associate yourself with the item. For the future keep in mind that Lunatarium don't keep promises. We were told that security will first warn then take measures on the second encounter - they reacted on smell like elite dogs and were doing molecular search at the door. We were told that they have all needed licenses - it turned out that they don't have cabaret license. Around 1am cops showed up and even though they didn't shut down the party, liquor was removed from the bar. where the vibe came from, I have no idea :) --- mark at wrote: > > This list has been a bit too quiet lately. How did > the Spectra partry go?? > What about Lunatarium, or any of other parties this > weekend?? > > Consider this a gentle nudge :) > 286 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: any reviews?? From: "nan" I was there and it was absolutely beautiful! Really amazing job to all invo lved. That party was really special. Thank you! Nancy ----- Original M essage ----- From: "omni tribe" To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Monday, Octobe r 28, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: [NYC604] Re: any reviews?? > well, no words c an describe how was it..... no there > are some - Wow, oHHH, ahhhh... > I was there and it was absolutely beautiful! Really amazing job to all involved. That party was really special. Thank you! Nancy ----- Original Message - ---- From: "omni tribe" & lt;omnitribe > To: omnitribe >; SafetyDance >; DRAGO NTRIBE > ; goa-boston >; NYC604> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: [NYC604] Re: any r eviews?? > well, n o words can describe how was it..... no there> are some - Wow, oHHH , ahhhh...> 287 Sender: bcadams To: "nan", Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: any reviews?? From: bcadams Yes, wonderful party...Lovely venue, especially for the view of Manhattan as the sun was rising..nice & spacious too, could've held about eight times the amount of people that were there...The music, there are no appropriate words for...Don't think I've heard a better live set than Dag's (HB) in my life, except maybe for Hallucinogen..Mino provided good energy too with his stomping set complete with live drumming...and to top it off, Influx, as he usually does, brought the energy to a new peak that I didn't think was possible considering my own exhausted legs...the crowd fed off the music, a most positive vibe was present, and a good time was had by all...Well done to Omnitribe as usual, keep it up guys!> > Original Message From "nan" >I was there and it was absolutely >beautiful! Really amazing job to >all involved. > >That party was really special. > >Thank you! > >Nancy > >----- Original Message -->From: "omni tribe" omnitribe > >To: omnitribe >; SafetyDance >; DRAGONTRIBE >; goa-boston >; NYC604> >Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 2:19 PM >Subject: [NYC604] Re: any reviews?? > >> well, no words can describe how was it..... no there >> are some - Wow, oHHH, ahhhh... >> > >308517:HM/A810327/R0/*http://geocities.yahoo /ps/info?.referblrecs >> > >308517:HM/A810327/R1/*http://geocities.yahoo /ps/info?.referblrecs >> > >pmail/S:HM/A810327/rand445995864> > >> > >Lesh 288 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:58:35 Subject: Re: any reviews?? From: "bigpaw4444" all in all i thought the party was decent. venue is cool but not optimal for sound, imo. the commando security team definitely soured my mood more than once. artwork left much to be desired, but i suppose it's not an easy place to decorate. as for the music, shi was the highlight of the night for me on the main stage. human blue, a little disappointing, although i had never heard him before. his set didn't really seem to go anywhere, but maybe it just wasn't my style. enough people seemed to have enjoyed it. sorry, but what was up with that phony "live" drumming? it was a good idea if he were actually playing the things, but it got old real quick. i had a pretty good time in the "chill-out" room, more of a progressive room really. gavin played some nice stuff all night. my thoughts. thx omnitribe. IV 289 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:19:38 EST Subject: Manifesto From: XDreamer123 Our emotional state of choice is Ecstasy. Our nourishment of choice is Love. Our addiction of choice is technology. Our religion of choice is music. Our currency of choice is knowledge. Our politics of choice is none. Our society of choice is utopian though we know it will never be. You may hate us. You may dismiss us. You may misunderstand us. You may be unaware of our existence. We can only hope you do not care to judge us, because we would never judge you. We are not criminals. We are not disillusioned. We are not drug addicts. We are not naive children. We are one massive, global, tribal village that transcends man-made law, physical geography, and time itself. We are The Massive. One Massive. We were first drawn by the sound. From far away, the thunderous, muffled, echoing beat was comparable to a mother's heart soothing a child in her womb of concrete, steel, and electrical wiring. We were drawn back into this womb, and there, in the heat, dampness, and darkness of it, we came to accept that we are all equal. Not only to the darkness, and to ourselves, but to the very music slamming into us and passing through our souls: we are all equal. And somewhere around 35Hz we could feel the hand of God at our backs, pushing us forward, pushing us to push ourselves to strengthen our minds, our bodies, and our spirits. Pushing us to turn to the person beside us to join hands and uplift them by sharing the uncontrollable joy we felt from creating this magical bubble that can, for one evening, protect us from the horrors, atrocities, and pollution of the outside world. It is in that very instant, with these initial realizations that each of us was truly born. We continue to pack our bodies into clubs, or warehouses, or buildings you've abandoned and left for naught, and we bring life to them for one night. Strong, throbbing, vibrant life in it's purest, most intense, most hedonistic form. In these makeshift spaces, we seek to shed ourselves of the burden of uncertainty for a future you have been unable to stabilize and secure for us. We seek to relinquish our inhibitions, and free ourselves from the shackles and restraints you've put on us for your own peace of mind. We seek to re-write the programming that you have tried to indoctrinate us with since the moment we were born. Programming that tells us to hate, that tells us to judge, that tells us to stuff ourselves into the nearest and most convenient pigeon hole possible. Programming that even tells us to climb ladders for you, jump through hoops, and run through mazes and on hamster wheels. Programming that tells us to eat from the shiny silver spoon you are trying to feed us with, instead of nourish ourselves with our own capable hands. Programming that tells us to close our minds, instead of open them. Until the sun rises to burn our eyes by revealing the distopian reality of a world you've created for us, we dance fiercely with our brothers and sisters in celebration of our life, of our culture, and of the values we believe in: Peace, Love, Freedom, Tolerance, Unity, Harmony, Expression, Responsibility and Respect. Our enemy of choice is ignorance. Our weapon of choice is information. Our crime of choice is breaking and challenging whatever laws you feel you need to put in place to stop us from celebrating our existence. But know that while you may shut down any given party, on any given night, in any given city, in any given country or continent on this beautiful planet, you can never shut down the entire party. You don't have access to that switch, no matter what you may think. The music will never stop. The heartbeat will never fade. The party will never end. I am a raver, and this is my manifesto. "Author Unknown" 290 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:13:56 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Russia-Theater-Raid-Gas (Scary Sh*t) From: Machinelf In a message dated 10/27/02 2:22:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, nan at hipchix writes: > > Experts: Valium Gas Used in Raid > > By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > > Filed at 6:12 p.m. ET > > Military experts and toxicologists say Russian commandos probably pumped a > gas containing Valium into a Moscow theater to subtly disable and disorient > heavily armed Chechen rebels prior to Saturday's dramatic assault. > if you don't like it then avoid wylie's party on friday, esp. the bubble on the roof In a message dated 10/27/02 2:22:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, nan at hipchix writes: Experts: Valium Gas Used in Raid By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 6:12 p.m. ET Military experts and toxicologists say Russian commandos probably pumped a gas containing Valium into a Moscow theater to subtly disable and disorient heavily armed Chechen rebels prior to Saturday's dramatic assault. if you don't like it then avoid wylie's party on friday, esp. the bubble on the roof 291 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] Russia-Theater-Raid-Gas (Scary Sh*t) From: "nan" Heh. Thanks for the heads up. I'll wear a gas mask. ----- Original Messa ge ----- From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Russia-Theater -Raid-Gas (Scary Sh*t) In a message dated 10/27/02 2:22:16 PM Eastern S tandard Time, nan at hipchix writes: Experts: Valium Gas Used in Raid By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 6:12 p.m. ET Militar y experts and toxicologists say Russian commandos probably pumped a gas con taining Valium into a Moscow theater to subtly disable and disorient heavil y armed Chechen rebels prior to Saturday's dramatic assault. if you d on't like it then avoid wylie's party on friday, esp. the bubble on the roo f vent spam NYC604-unsu bscribe the Yah Heh. Thanks for th e heads up. I'll wea r a gas mask. ----- Original Message ----- From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Ru ssia-Theater-Raid-Gas (Scary Sh*t) In a message dated 10/27/02 2:22:16 PM Easter n Standard Time, nan at hipchix writes: Experts: Valium Gas Used in RaidBy THE ASSOCIATED PRESSFiled at 6:12 p.m. ETMilitary exp erts and toxicologists say Russian commandos probably pumped a gas con taining Valium into a Moscow theater to subtly disable and disorient h eavily armed Chechen rebels prior to Saturday's dramatic assault.if you don't like it then avoid wylie's party on friday, esp. the bubble on the roof ---No lies, no one word replies, no eve nsubscribe Your ms of Service. 292 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:14:55 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: any reviews?? From: Machinelf when i first started doing parties back in '98 we got absolutely killed by some illegal tenants in a warehouse in west chelsea. Fat old ugly women who illegally lived upstairs called the NYPD nonstop until the cops came. It sucks, but I want ya'll to know that not all squatters are lame fat asses. there is open land still unused in the city... free parties will return... when i first started doing parties back in '98 we got absolutely killed by some illegal tenants in a warehouse in west chelsea. Fat old ugly women who illegally lived upstairs called the NYPD nonstop until the cops came. It sucks, but I want ya'll to know that not all squatters are lame fat asses. there is open land still unused in the city... free parties will return... 293 To: Subject: [NYC604] Pagans Ate My Sugar Babies From: "Jessica" Pagans Ate My Sugar Babies By Mark Morford Because what we really need now is the ancient, "real" Halloween to thwart those war-drunk evil spirits. 'Tis the time of disemboweled gourds and spooky black cats and sickly terrifying vice presidential ghosts, of dressing up the wee ones in carefully branded molded-plastic heavily trademarked Disney-owned characters and sending them out into the 'hood with a flashlight and a cute plastic pumpkin bucket and a small semiautomatic weapon and some nice candy-corn mace. 'Tis also the time when we really, really might want to hearken back to the early days of this gloriously pagan Samhain holiday, AKA the "real" Halloween, when the men were men and the women could powerlift an elk and the Celts were half-naked and dancing around a huge Druid fire in crazy masks and animal skins and face paint. This is how it started. Celebrating, they were, the death of one season and the birth of another, welcoming the friendly spirits and warding off evil spirits and calling out to the fairies and Time and the gods and pleading for a plentiful harvest and a mild winter a nice goblet of mead before bed. 'Tis a time, further, when we suffer the decorative nightmare of orange and black crepe paper strung up like bad tinsel all over Safeway and we must endure Jerry Falwell and John "Calico" Ashcroft and the usual squeals of fidgety sanctimonious protest from the Christian Right who are scared of anything with a tail or a tongue or Wiccan overtones. Which is exactly why anyone with any devilish tertiary juice or a naughty intuitive sense of history is behooved to remember that Halloween is yet another mystically thick holiday swiped from its original pagan sources by the goodly scowling revisionist church, and stripped of all dirt and funk and earthly reverence and seasonal celebration and naked romps in the Celtic hay. You know, just like Christmas. Just another sticky chthonically interconnected celebration mutilated and sanitized and renamed by Pope Boniface Scaredofeverything IV back around 500 A.D., to further extend church dominance in Europe and wipe out all traces of fun and Sugar Babies and Exotic Erotic Balls. You know, just like the Burgermeister Meisterburger did to Sombertown. The Church, ever paranoid and determined to ethnically cleanse those damnable earth-bound rituals, turned the raw Celtic harvest festival into a cutesy faux-holy day to celebrate all the saints, which later mutated into "All Saints Eve" and "All Hallows Eve" and then "Halloween" where children get to dress up like bizarre Japanese cartoon characters and demand a fistful of Milky Way Fun Sizes or else they'll egg your house. In a nutshell. This is how it happened, more or less, and probably less because we have little idea what the Celts actually did because they didn't write a whole lot down, but in this time of demons and warmongers and religious bile hurled between nations like stale poisonous popcorn balls, this sort of thing might be important to dig into. October 31 was all about the end of the growing season and honoring the Lord of the Dead, preparing for the cold months ahead, a mark of the cyclic change, the shift from growth to harvest, from warm to cold, from yang to yin, from cute short midriff-baring tunics to long heavy shapeless bear-fur that took exactly forever to unbutton to play "hide the root vegetable." It was also a day when the spirits of the dead could mingle with the living, when the barrier separating the two worlds was thinnest, when the ghosts of your deceased loved ones could come back from wandering in the woods and request your help in passing to the next life. Just like Strom Thurmond wandering around Congress, only completely different. But much like the White House, evil scowling spirits with nasty oily agendas and fanged fiends from frat-boy Purgatory could also wander freely and poison your pagan pie, and hence to protect your relative's spirit (and yourself), you'd paint a scary face on a gourd and disguise yourself by smothering your face with paints and donning a monstrous costume and dancing late into the night to a really good Celtic DJ named Gwrtheyrn or maybe Cunobelinus. This is how it started. This is how it was for hundreds of years. Then came the Romans who added their own harvest fest, all apples and the goddess Pomona, and then the angry scowling Church swept through Europe like a nasty email virus and tried to ruin everything what wasn't patriarchal and depressing and sexually oppressed and appropriately frumpy. They turned the Celtic harvest festival from an earthly attuned mystically rich spirit party into a terminally bland holy day no one really wanted, and made kids go around door-to-door and collect money for the poor and for Cardinal Zignelli's ancient Greek erotica collection. Then of course Martin Luther protested about the whole thing, and then the Europeans moved to America and dragged their convoluted customs and ancient rituals with them, and it wasn't until the 1920's that America started celebrating the newly mutated and completely rewritten Halloween in earnest, all costume parties and candy and Nixon masks and bobbing for Pomona's apples. So then, maybe now is the time to remember. Maybe now is the time to paint your face and don your most blasphemous costume and celebrate the Festival of the Dead and ward of the evil spirits currently scouring the culture and looking to suck the glimmering buds of Sweet Tart hope from your soul, the demons of Cheney and Geedubya and Rummy and Osama and Saddam and OK sure let's just say it, Meg Ryan. Maybe now is the ideal time, amidst all the religious odium and the sanctimoniousness and the everlasting holy wars centered around whose God is manlier and whose land was decreed by a favoritist Allah and who should suffer a nasty nuclear wedgie because they just won't give us their oil, now it the time to buck the church and rekindle the old traditions and thwart the demons. Maybe this should be the real impetus for Halloween 2002. See you next Beltane. http://sfgate /cgi-bin/article.cgi?f/g/a/2002/10/30/notes103002.DTL&nlf ix 295 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:17:27 EST Subject: Thanks Nan and Valerio (and Leon the owner of the apt.) From: Machinelf Great party! It was everything and more. Great DJ mix by Valerio - was that an 8 hour set? Thank God for that piss bucket! I also liked the Amazon mud wrestling. Thanks to Nan & Valerio for putting it together! btw - at Tsunami no needles were provided for the turntables so the main act (Serge from Total Eclipse) freaked out said fuck off and went back to the hotel. And the party closed at 4am. Great party! It was everything and more. Great DJ mix by Valerio - was that an 8 hour set? Thank God for that piss bucket! I also liked the Amazon mud wrestling. Thanks to Nan & Valerio for putting it together! btw - at Tsunami no needles were provided for the turntables so the main act (Serge from Total Eclipse) freaked out said fuck off and went back to the hotel. And the party closed at 4am. 296 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:36:29 EST Subject: also about last night From: Machinelf thanks to paul and dhea for the amazing video projection. they met on this list and are now student and instructor at the art institute on canal street. thanks to paul and dhea for the amazing video projection. they met on this list and are now student and instructor at the art institute on canal street. 297 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 18:47:23 Subject: Party review From: "krsnalotus" Yea what jeff said, there was a bunch of strange new yorkers from outside the trance scene like ;our in crowd but they left at peak hours and it was the nyc trance heads, music ws pretty good nice to have 1 dj for a change Man also some crazy female energy-LISA/Kelly And the location was quaint overall 4 out of 5 It sucks for Tsunami they appaoached me but I really aint gonna work for free, they wanted me to decorate and stuff I even was gonna go there but the Guiome came back to the party and said it got shut down insane! I kinda feel sorry for them, if only they could work with the people and not against them it seems these days. Used to be good for what its worth but like I said im glad i was out of it and enjoying myself at Leons, hey im headling Wylies party tonight im not on the Online flyer but im gonna be Headlining. Any body get my new cd any feedback? Sincerly Kamal B Nirmul 298 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:55:24 EST Subject: Reality Check From: Machinelf In a message dated 11/1/2002 1:52:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: > hey im headling Wylies party tonight im not on the > Online flyer but im gonna be Headlining. So Mr. Headliner, these DJs are your warmup crew King Kamal!?! Lucky us!! Can we kiss your boot?? AMNESIUM BORIS ICY COIL TRANCELLOR OGGMOD MACHINE ORC www.brainmachines /orcbible.html MANIC MEKATOR In a message dated 11/1/2002 1:52:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: hey im headling Wylies party tonight im not on the Online flyer but im gonna be Headlining. So Mr. Headliner, these DJs are your warmup crew King Kamal!?! Lucky us!! Can we kiss your boot?? AMNESIUM BORIS ICY COIL TRANCELLOR OGGMOD MACHINE ORC www.brainmachines /orcbible.html MANIC MEKATOR 299 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Reality Check From: "Jason Sannachan" lol -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: [NYC604] Reality Check In a message dated 11/1/2002 1:52:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: hey im headling Wylies party tonight im not on the Online flyer but im gonna be Headlining. So Mr. Headliner, these DJs are your warmup crew King Kamal!?! Lucky us!! Can we kiss your boot?? AMNESIUM BORIS ICY COIL TRANCELLOR OGGMOD MACHINE ORC www.brainmachines /orcbible.html MANIC MEKATOR lol -----Original Me ssage-----From: Machinelf [Machinelf]Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:55 PMat y ahoogroups Subject: [NYC604] Reality CheckIn a message dated 11/1/2002 1:52:01 PM Eastern Stan dard Time, krsnalotus writes: hey im headling Wylies party tonight im not on t he Online flyer but im gonna be Headlining.So Mr. Headliner, these DJs are your warmup crew King Kamal!?! Lucky us!! Can we kiss your boot??AMNESIUMBORISICY COIL TRANCELLOR OGGMODMACHINE ORC www.brainmachines /orcbible.html MANIC event to:N Gro 300 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Reality Check From: "Jason Sannachan" please forgive my previous one word reply but i couldnt contain myself. -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: [NYC604] Reality Check In a message dated 11/1/2002 1:52:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: hey im headling Wylies party tonight im not on the Online flyer but im gonna be Headlining. So Mr. Headliner, these DJs are your warmup crew King Kamal!?! Lucky us!! Can we kiss your boot?? AMNESIUM BORIS ICY COIL TRANCELLOR OGGMOD MACHINE ORC www.brainmachines /orcbible.html MANIC MEKATOR please forgive my previous one word reply but i couldnt contain myse lf. -----Original Message- ----From: Machinelf [Machinelf] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:55 PMgr oups Subject: [NYC604] Reality CheckIn a message dated 11/1/2002 1:52:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: hey im headling Wylies party tonight im not on the Online flyer but im gonna be Headlining.So Mr. Headliner, these DJs are your warmup crew King Kamal!?! Lucky us!! Can we kiss your boot??AMNESIUMBORISICY COILTRANC ELLOR OGGMODMACHINE ORC www.brainmachines /orcbible.htmlMANIC to:NYC604- Groups i Te rms of Service. 301 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 19:48:12 Subject: Only jeff can kiss my boots From: "krsnalotus" The rest have to shine em. Do bring ya granny. By the way only real djs have 1200's (spin vinyl) will the be turn tables there? pardon my royal upstart-e-de-ness Im going on 15 mins of sleep. And tonight noone is bum rushing my set . no 1 come and do someting about it. d-k-lotus 302 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Only jeff can kiss my boots From: "Jason Sannachan" HEY KAMAL '' DO BRING YA GRANNY '' I KNOW YOU ARE HEADLING BUT DONT USE MY BLOODY QUOTES:o) -----Original Message--From: krsnalotus [krsnalotus ] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: [NYC604] Only jeff can kiss my boots The rest have to shine em. Do bring ya granny. By the way only real djs have 1200's (spin vinyl) will the be turn tables there? pardon my royal upstart-e-de-ness Im going on 15 mins of sleep. And tonight noone is bum rushing my set . no 1 come and do someting about it. d-k-lotus 303 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:00:40 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Only jeff can kiss my boots From: Machinelf kamal, you must have missed puberty and are now suffering a delayed onset of testosterone, which has caused what limited amount of low sperm count bile to be pumped straight to your pea brain as indicated in this little diagram: ...:-) .......U8 I'm not saying you have latent breasts, but "men who feel stress may require hormone replacement therapy, because such men can experience a drop in their testosterone levels. Lower testosterone levels lead to moodiness and temper-tantrums, which the scientist compares to a woman's pre-menstrual syndrome. (You could call it LTS for lower testosterone syndrome.)" My suggestion is to lay off the Gemini schlock and get some real equipment or you'll still be trying to play Mozart on a kazoo. I love you man! kamal, you must have missed puberty and are now suffering a delayed onset of testosterone, which has caused what limited amount of low sperm count bile to be pumped straight to your pea brain as indicated in this little diagram: ...:-) .......U8 I'm not saying you have latent breasts, but "men who feel stress may require hormone replacement therapy, because such men can experience a drop in their testosterone levels. Lower testosterone levels lead to moodiness and temper-tantrums, which the scientist compares to a woman's pre-menstrual syndrome. (You could call it LTS for lower testosterone syndrome.)" My suggestion is to lay off the Gemini schlock and get some real equipment or you'll still be trying to play Mozart on a kazoo. I love you man! 304 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:05:55 EST Subject: Wylies, Body Temple reviews From: Machinelf wylies was great. no drama, the 2 women who razed hell at leon's were not allowed in; the vibe was great just like leon's there were plenty of people and the bubble on the roof was so comfortable i slept in it. some of the djs though acted like they were in junior high school though, afraid they wouldn't get to play. i hear body temple was ok i was too tired to go but not enough trance people showed up. wylies was great. no drama, the 2 women who razed hell at leon's were not allowed in; the vibe was great just like leon's there were plenty of people and the bubble on the roof was so comfortable i slept in it. some of the djs though acted like they were in junior high school though, afraid they wouldn't get to play. i hear body temple was ok i was too tired to go but not enough trance people showed up. 305 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:30:33 EST Subject: another 3 day review From: Machinelf i loved the party at wylie's rat infested apartment, good shite. pretty interesting weekend. leon's party having a strange, psychotic vibe, tsunami just completely sucking ass cheeks, wylie's shook up my world (or maybe it was the cool aid vibe...either way, tight crowd...in a good way) and body temple serving as your pretty standard party, acting to wind down the weekend. i hopped on the chinatown bus about 8 this mornin closed my eyes and was mysteriously back in boston. till my next trance warrior adventure in the intoxicating nyc... i loved the party at wylie's rat infested apartment, good shite. pretty interesting weekend. leon's party having a strange, psychotic vibe, tsunami just completely sucking ass cheeks, wylie's shook up my world (or maybe it was the cool aid vibe...either way, tight crowd...in a good way) and body temple serving as your pretty standard party, acting to wind down the weekend. i hopped on the chinatown bus about 8 this mornin closed my eyes and was mysteriously back in boston. till my next trance warrior adventure in the intoxicating nyc... 306 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:25:46 EST Subject: worst trance party ever? From: Machinelf tsunami at culture club? anybody agree? i'm sure there was a worse one somewhere. when tsunami rocks it rocks but when it sucks it really sucks. to be eligible you'd have to have at least 50 or 100 people. Otherwise, you'd have to count multiple empty bars over the years, or the off nights at Shelter, etc. I would say the worst venue ever was a tossup between Culture Club and Shelter. The best was Metropolitan Pavilion. Tsunami was at both. tsunami at culture club? anybody agree? i'm sure there was a worse one somewhere. when tsunami rocks it rocks but when it sucks it really sucks. to be eligible you'd have to have at least 50 or 100 people. Otherwise, you'd have to count multiple empty bars over the years, or the off nights at Shelter, etc. I would say the worst venue ever was a tossup between Culture Club and Shelter. The best was Metropolitan Pavilion. Tsunami was at both. 307 Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:29:04 Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: "Mike _" Totally was for me. Two of my friends got kicked out, 1 for a joint, the other just for being in the vicinity... I saw security people roughly grabbing guys smoking cigaretts. Bizarre things being said during DJ sets over the mike...party ending at 4 with some dude spouting off mountains of bullshit... Not being allowed to sit virtually anywhere... etc. etc. It sucked bigtime! Mike Open your eyes >From: Machinelf >Reply- > >Subject: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? >Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:25:46 EST > >tsunami at culture club? anybody agree? i'm sure there was a worse one >somewhere. > >when tsunami rocks it rocks but when it sucks it really sucks. > >to be eligible you'd have to have at least 50 or 100 people. Otherwise, >you'd have to count multiple empty bars over the years, or the off nights at >Shelter, etc. > >I would say the worst venue ever was a tossup between Culture Club and >Shelter. The best was Metropolitan Pavilion. Tsunami was at both. Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. Click Here 308 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:32:36 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: Machinelf In a message dated 11/4/2002 11:29:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, hobot1980 writes: > Totally was for me. Two of my friends got kicked out, 1 for a joint, the > other just for being in the vicinity... I saw security people roughly > grabbing guys smoking cigaretts. Bizarre things being said during DJ sets > over the mike...party ending at 4 with some dude spouting off mountains of > bullshit... Not being allowed to sit virtually anywhere... etc. etc. It > sucked bigtime! > > Mike > i heard it felt like there were more people who worked there than people who attended. In a message dated 11/4/2002 11:29:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, hobot1980 writes: Totally was for me. Two of my friends got kicked out, 1 for a joint, the other just for being in the vicinity... I saw security people roughly grabbing guys smoking cigaretts. Bizarre things being said during DJ sets over the mike...party ending at 4 with some dude spouting off mountains of bullshit... Not being allowed to sit virtually anywhere... etc. etc. It sucked bigtime! Mike i heard it felt like there were more people who worked there than people who attended. 309 Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:34:40 Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: "Mike _" Yeah that's true...at about 3, I noticed that there were maybe like 30 people left in the place...it looked deserted...all because the security was kicking people out and harrassing others like crazy... Open your eyes >From: Machinelf >Reply- > >Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? >Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:32:36 EST > >In a message dated 11/4/2002 11:29:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, >hobot1980 writes: > > > Totally was for me. Two of my friends got kicked out, 1 for a joint, the > > other just for being in the vicinity... I saw security people roughly > > grabbing guys smoking cigaretts. Bizarre things being said during DJ sets > > over the mike...party ending at 4 with some dude spouting off mountains of > > bullshit... Not being allowed to sit virtually anywhere... etc. etc. It > > sucked bigtime! > > > > Mike > > > >i heard it felt like there were more people who worked there than people who >attended. Broadband?Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. Click Here 310 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 11:42:14 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: Machinelf this weekend, then, the two private parties won out over the two commercial parties. if any of you are not on safetydance, then please find me at the next party and tell me who you are because in general COMMERCIAL PARTIES SUCK ASS https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /ratings.html this weekend, then, the two private parties won out over the two commercial parties. if any of you are not on safetydance, then please find me at the next party and tell me who you are because in general COMMERCIAL PARTIES SUCK ASS https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /ratings.html 311 Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:49:58 Subject: Re: [NYC604] On another note... From: "Mike _" I went to the yoga place in central new jersey that was advertised on safetydance. It was very weird and funny. I showed up with two friends, the rest of the people there were yoga people (advanced yoga people from the stuff they were doing half the time). The DJ was actually quite good and the place is nice and cozy...if anyone lives in the area, I'd recommend going next time they do this (in a month). Its kinda fun to be dancing about and looking at people in bizzare yoga positions :)Mike Open your eyes 312 Mon, 04 Nov 2002 18:03:48 Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: "Ingo V" i got to the tsunami party around 2, before making it back to Leon's (thank God that was still going). for some reason i thought i would give tsunami one more try and once again i got ripped off. yeah, i'm pissed they shut the club down early, but maybe that was more the culture club crew than tsunami people. i want to know what happened to things like the costume competition, sponsored by HOT, promising $100 gift certificates and free cds, not to mention the usual BS of headliners that never show up. i already heard what happened to total eclipse. where was yoni? up after dj unknown? i didn't see him outside after we got kicked out. as long as these guys get their $25 they seem happy. refunds, or at least rebates, should have been given immediately following that disaster. i really hope all of us can pull together and boycott these thieves the next time around. enough is enough. Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband. Join now! http://resourcecenter.msn /access/plans/freeactivation.asp 313 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 13:15:04 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: Machinelf i'm gonna email john emmanuel about the best costume award i'm gonna email john emmanuel about the best costume award 314 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: "Jason Sannachan" so i'm guessing that tsunami was another huge success then -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? i'm gonna email john emmanuel about the best costume award so i'm guessing that tsunami was another huge success then -----Original Message-----Fr om: Machinelf [Machinelf]Sent: Mon day, November 04, 2002 1:15 PMSubject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever?i'm gonna email john emmanuel about the best costume awa event spam Groups is subject to Terms of Servi ce. 315 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:04:25 EST Subject: photo of wylie from friday To: wylier18 From: Machinelf the exxon tiger thanks nan the exxon tiger thanks nan 316 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:59:33 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: XDreamer123 That's it, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Tsunami must be eliminated. Boycott Boycott Boycott !!! That was, by far, the most depressing party I've ever been to. And Yoni wasn't even in the city, cuz he's abroad somewhere, wondering. Tsunami are a bunch of cheats and liars. I personally overheard a Tsunami official telling some people in the audience to wait until 4 a.m. for the Full On set to begin. Who did they think was going to perform??? I have no idea, since Yoni was not in the City at that time and they knew about it. I will not go to any Tsunami parties again. I don't care who they say they are going to bring. These people can fuck up anything, and they proved it. That's it, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Tsunami must be eliminated. Boycott Boycott Boycott !!! That was, by far, the most depressing party I've ever been to. And Yoni wasn't even in the city, cuz he's abroad somewhere, wondering. Tsunami are a bunch of cheats and liars. I personally overheard a Tsunami official telling some people in the audience to wait until 4 a.m. for the Full On set to begin. Who did they think was going to perform??? I have no idea, since Yoni was not in the City at that time and they knew about it. I will not go to any Tsunami parties again. I don't care who they say they are going to bring. These people can fuck up anything, and they proved it. 317 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: "Jason Sannachan" why do i get the feeling alot of our beloved are not familiar with Jon emmanuel -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? That's it, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Tsunami must be eliminated. Boycott Boycott Boycott !!! That was, by far, the most depressing party I've ever been to. And Yoni wasn't even in the city, cuz he's abroad somewhere, wondering. Tsunami are a bunch of cheats and liars. I personally overheard a Tsunami official telling some people in the audience to wait until 4 a.m. for the Full On set to begin. Who did they think was going to perform??? I have no idea, since Yoni was not in the City at that time and they knew about it. I will not go to any Tsunami parties again. I don't care who they say they are going to bring. These people can fuck up anything, and they proved it. why do i get the feeling alot of our beloved are not familiar with Jo n emmanuel -----Original Message-----From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ]Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:00 PMTo: NC604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever?That's it, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Tsunami must be eliminated. Boycott Boycott Boyco tt !!!That was, by far, the most depressing party I've ever been to. And Yoni wasn't even in the city, cuz he's abroad somewhere, wondering. Tsunami are a bunch of cheats and liars. I personally overheard a Tsunami official telling some people in the aud ience to wait until 4 a.m. for the Full On set to begin. Who d id they think was going to perform??? I have no idea, since Yoni was not in the City at that time and they knew about it. I will n ot go to any Tsunami parties again. I don't care who they say they are going to bring. These people can fuck up anything, and they p roved event to:N Gro 318 Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:09:00 Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: "Ingo V" i don't know much about jon emmanuel. i've met him. he seems like a nice guy and i believe anyone involved in organizing nyc trance events deserves our respect and support, but too many mishaps without a followup explanation or apology are eventually going to generate this type of reaction from people. take the phantasm mess. elly made an apparently sincere effort to rectify that situation and in my mind it was settled with the makeup party and good communication through the mailing lists. i've never heard anything from jon through these forums about why full price was charged when miko didn't show up at shelter earlier this summer, forcing everyone to listen to 6 hours of yoni (once again). same thing with this halloween party, where he probably knew in advance that neither yoni or total eclipse would be playing. still full cover was charged. i think that's enough material to advocate questioning someone's ethics. >From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? > >why do i get the feeling alot of our beloved are not familiar with Jon >emmanuel -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? > That's it, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. > Tsunami must be eliminated. > Boycott Boycott Boycott !!! > That was, by far, the most depressing party I've ever been to. And Yoni >wasn't even in the city, cuz he's abroad somewhere, wondering. > Tsunami are a bunch of cheats and liars. I personally overheard a >Tsunami >official telling some people in the audience to wait until 4 a.m. for the >Full On set to begin. Who did they think was going to perform??? I have no idea, since Yoni >was >not in the City at that time and they knew about it. > I will not go to any Tsunami parties again. I don't care who they say >they are going to bring. These people can fuck up anything, and they >proved >it. > > Get faster connections-- switch toMSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn /access/plans/default.asp 319 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:14:44 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: Machinelf total eclipse showed up but there were no needles for the turntables. Even if they had brought their own (which is NOT common practice), they wouldn't have gotten far, because you can't bring sharp objects on planes these days - especially stark raving mad DJs total eclipse showed up but there were no needles for the turntables. Even if they had brought their own (which is NOT common practice), they wouldn't have gotten far, because you can't bring sharp objects on planes these days - especially stark raving mad DJs 320 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: "Jason Sannachan" of course you are correct about respecting all the organizers but once again Jon has proved once and again that he does not really care about the party just getting the money is his cause. -----Original Message--From: Ingo V [ingovee ] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? i don't know much about jon emmanuel. i've met him. he seems like a nice guy and i believe anyone involved in organizing nyc trance events deserves our respect and support, but too many mishaps without a followup explanation or apology are eventually going to generate this type of reaction from people. take the phantasm mess. elly made an apparently sincere effort to rectify that situation and in my mind it was settled with the makeup party and good communication through the mailing lists. i've never heard anything from jon through these forums about why full price was charged when miko didn't show up at shelter earlier this summer, forcing everyone to listen to 6 hours of yoni (once again). same thing with this halloween party, where he probably knew in advance that neither yoni or total eclipse would be playing. still full cover was charged. i think that's enough material to advocate questioning someone's ethics. >From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? > >why do i get the feeling alot of our beloved are not familiar with Jon >emmanuel -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? > That's it, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. > Tsunami must be eliminated. > Boycott Boycott Boycott !!! > That was, by far, the most depressing party I've ever been to. And Yoni >wasn't even in the city, cuz he's abroad somewhere, wondering. > Tsunami are a bunch of cheats and liars. I personally overheard a >Tsunami >official telling some people in the audience to wait until 4 a.m. for the >Full On set to begin. Who did they think was going to perform??? I have no idea, since Yoni >was >not in the City at that time and they knew about it. > I will not go to any Tsunami parties again. I don't care who they say >they are going to bring. These people can fuck up anything, and they >proved >it. > > Get faster connections-- switch toMSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn /access/plans/default.asp 321 Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:23:57 Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: "Ingo V" my fault. thought your previous comment was in support of jon, as if he might be some kind of god in the ny trance community. >From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? > >of course you are correct about respecting all the organizers but once >again >Jon has proved once and again that he does not really care about the party >just getting the money is his cause. > >-----Original Message-->From: Ingo V [ingovee ] >Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:09 PM > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? > >i don't know much about jon emmanuel. i've met him. he seems like a nice >guy and i believe anyone involved in organizing nyc trance events deserves >our respect and support, but too many mishaps without a followup >explanation >or apology are eventually going to generate this type of reaction from >people. >take the phantasm mess. elly made an apparently sincere effort to rectify >that situation and in my mind it was settled with the makeup party and good >communication through the mailing lists. i've never heard anything from >jon >through these forums about why full price was charged when miko didn't show >up at shelter earlier this summer, forcing everyone to listen to 6 hours of >yoni (once again). same thing with this halloween party, where he probably >knew in advance that neither yoni or total eclipse would be playing. still >full cover was charged. i think that's enough material to advocate >questioning someone's ethics. > > >From: "Jason Sannachan" > >Reply- > >To: > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? > > > >why do i get the feeling alot of our beloved are not familiar with Jon > >emmanuel > -----Original Message--> From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? > > > That's it, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. > > > Tsunami must be eliminated. > > > Boycott Boycott Boycott !!! > > > That was, by far, the most depressing party I've ever been to. And >Yoni > >wasn't even in the city, cuz he's abroad somewhere, wondering. > > > Tsunami are a bunch of cheats and liars. I personally overheard a > >Tsunami > >official telling some people in the audience to wait until 4 a.m. for the > >Full On set to begin. > Who did they think was going to perform??? I have no idea, since Yoni > >was > >not in the City at that time and they knew about it. > > > I will not go to any Tsunami parties again. I don't care who they say > >they are going to bring. These people can fuck up anything, and they > >proved > >it. > > > > > > > >Get faster connections-- switch toMSN Internet Access! >http://resourcecenter.msn /access/plans/default.asp > >> Broadband?Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn /access/plans/default.asp 322 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: "Jason Sannachan" maybe one day i will give you me and mr tsunami's history together and i dont care who shouts at me about this but Jon is a wanker always has been and always will be and i am really sorry for anyone who got screwed by him. -----Original Message--From: Ingo V [ingovee ] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:24 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? my fault. thought your previous comment was in support of jon, as if he might be some kind of god in the ny trance community. >From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? > >of course you are correct about respecting all the organizers but once >again >Jon has proved once and again that he does not really care about the party >just getting the money is his cause. > >-----Original Message-->From: Ingo V [ingovee ] >Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:09 PM > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? > >i don't know much about jon emmanuel. i've met him. he seems like a nice >guy and i believe anyone involved in organizing nyc trance events deserves >our respect and support, but too many mishaps without a followup >explanation >or apology are eventually going to generate this type of reaction from >people. >take the phantasm mess. elly made an apparently sincere effort to rectify >that situation and in my mind it was settled with the makeup party and good >communication through the mailing lists. i've never heard anything from >jon >through these forums about why full price was charged when miko didn't show >up at shelter earlier this summer, forcing everyone to listen to 6 hours of >yoni (once again). same thing with this halloween party, where he probably >knew in advance that neither yoni or total eclipse would be playing. still >full cover was charged. i think that's enough material to advocate >questioning someone's ethics. > > >From: "Jason Sannachan" > >Reply- > >To: > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? > > > >why do i get the feeling alot of our beloved are not familiar with Jon > >emmanuel > -----Original Message--> From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? > > > That's it, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. > > > Tsunami must be eliminated. > > > Boycott Boycott Boycott !!! > > > That was, by far, the most depressing party I've ever been to. And >Yoni > >wasn't even in the city, cuz he's abroad somewhere, wondering. > > > Tsunami are a bunch of cheats and liars. I personally overheard a > >Tsunami > >official telling some people in the audience to wait until 4 a.m. for the > >Full On set to begin. > Who did they think was going to perform??? I have no idea, since Yoni > >was > >not in the City at that time and they knew about it. > > > I will not go to any Tsunami parties again. I don't care who they say > >they are going to bring. These people can fuck up anything, and they > >proved > >it. > > > > > > > >Get faster connections-- switch toMSN Internet Access! >http://resourcecenter.msn /access/plans/default.asp > >> Broadband?Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn /access/plans/default.asp 323 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:45:50 EST Subject: Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: Machinelf Must be attended by at least 50 people Burning Elf none Omnitribe None Synthetic Sadhus The first Cinema World party (cough) Spectra Double booked by Tsunami PSI none DMT When the speakers and generator were lost Tsunami Halloween 2002 Wylie's Trance Mission 2001 When Kelli and Lisa raised hell Paradox Limelight Global Trance Productions (Phantasm Party) Upstate 2002 A Physxs Save the Robots 1996 House of Trance When it rained In-Trance-It none Subtlechaos none Must be attended by at least 50 people Burning Elf none Omnitribe None Synthetic Sadhus The first Cinema World party (cough) Spectra Double booked by Tsunami PSI none DMT When the speakers and generator were lost Tsunami Halloween 2002 Wylie's Trance Mission 2001 When Kelli and Lisa raised hell Paradox Limelight Global Trance Productions (Phantasm Party) Upstate 2002 A Physxs Save the Robots 1996 House of Trance When it rained In-Trance-It none Subtlechaos none 324 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer To: From: "B, Nicholas" what exactly did kelli and lisa do ti raise hell? -----Original Message -- From: Machinelf Sent: Monday, N ovember 04, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: [NYC604] Wor st trance parties ever, by organizer Must be attended by at least 50 p eople Burning Elf none Omnitribe None Synthetic Sadhus The first Cinem a World party (cough) Spectra Double booked by Tsunami PSI none DMT When the speakers and generator were lost Tsunami Halloween 2002 Wylie's TranMission 2001 When Kelli and Lisa raised hell Paradox Limelight Global Trance Productions (Phantasm Party) Upstate 2002 A Physxs Save the Robo ts 1996 House of Trance When it rained In-Trance-It none Subtlechaos non e Your Message what exactly did kelli and lisa do ti raise h ell? -----O riginal Message-----From: Machinelf [IsmokeDMT ] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:46 PMSubject: [NYC604] Worst trance parti es ever, by organizerMust be attende d by at least 50 peopleBurning Elf noneOmnitribe NoneSyn thetic Sadhus The first Cinema World party (cough)Spectra Double boo ked by TsunamiPSI noneDMT When the speakers and generator were l ostTsunami Halloween 2002Wylie's Trance Mission 2001 When Kelli and Lisa raised hellParadox LimelightGlobal Trance Productions ( Phantasm Party) Upstate 2002A Physxs Save the Robots 1996House o f Trance When it rainedIn-Trance-It noneSubtlechaos spamTo u nsubscribe from this group, send an email Groups is subject to the 325 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:54:26 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: Machinelf last year - and this year - kelly caused a scene and wouldn't leave, not to mention a freakout at the first DMTski that scared off the straight people lisa tried to hijack the cdj's, and threw eggs on the ceiling and beer bottles at me (that's my lisa!) this doesn't include Halloween which is too much for my tired fingers now they were "missing" on friday. wylie's parties go off amazingly smooth and well without crazy psychodrama last year - and this year - kelly caused a scene and wouldn't leave, not to mention a freakout at the first DMTski that scared off the straight people lisa tried to hijack the cdj's, and threw eggs on the ceiling and beer bottles at me (that's my lisa!) this doesn't include Halloween which is too much for my tired fingers now they were "missing" on friday. wylie's parties go off amazingly smooth and well without crazy psychodrama 326 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 17:56:35 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: Machinelf that is not to say that we all haven't had our moments, incluiding me. But the second violence comes into it - especially if it happens multiple times, with multiple chance given, it's no longer funny. this philosophy is, you can act like a freak as long as no one else is hurt or their face gotten into against their will. that is not to say that we all haven't had our moments, incluiding me. But the second violence comes into it - especially if it happens multiple times, with multiple chance given, it's no longer funny. this philosophy is, you can act like a freak as long as no one else is hurt or their face gotten into against their will. 327 To: Subject: [NYC604] and now for somthing completely different... From: "Jessica" if you haven't seen this goodie already, it's HIGH time you did... enjoy :) http://w1.736.telia /~u73602493/flashback.html 328 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:16:35 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] and now for somthing completely different... From: Machinelf In a message dated 11/4/2002 6:14:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: > > if you haven't seen this goodie already, it's HIGH time you did... > enjoy :) > > http://w1.736.telia /~u73602493/flashback.html that's old! In a message dated 11/4/2002 6:14:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: if you haven't seen this goodie already, it's HIGH time you did... enjoy :) http://w1.736.telia /~u73602493/flashback.html that's old! 329 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:17:41 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] and now for somthing completely different... From: Machinelf In a message dated 11/4/2002 6:14:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: > > if you haven't seen this goodie already, it's HIGH time you did... > enjoy :) > > http://w1.736.telia /~u73602493/flashback.html does anybody know of any other DMT inspired flash movies? In a message dated 11/4/2002 6:14:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: if you haven't seen this goodie already, it's HIGH time you did... enjoy :) http://w1.736.telia /~u73602493/flashback.html does anybody know of any other DMT inspired flash movies? 330 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] and now for somthing completely different... From: "Jessica" > > > > > if you haven't seen this goodie already, it's HIGH time you did... > > enjoy :) > > > > http://w1.736.telia /~u73602493/flashback.html > > that's old! > yep. someone requested the url on another list, and i thought i'd send it here as well. figured someone would appreciate it. apologies yer trance highness for not being up to date. ;p 331 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:28:22 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] and now for somthing completely different... From: Machinelf In a message dated 11/4/2002 6:24:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: > yep. > someone requested the url on another list, and i thought i'd send it here > as > well. figured someone would appreciate it. apologies yer trance highness > for > not being up to date. ;p huhuhuh Trance Highness huhuhuhuh i didn't mean to sound so nerdy, like the comic book store owner in the Simpsons so sorry if you took a fence In a message dated 11/4/2002 6:24:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: yep. someone requested the url on another list, and i thought i'd send it here as well. figured someone would appreciate it. apologies yer trance highness for not being up to date. ;p huhuhuh Trance Highness huhuhuhuh i didn't mean to sound so nerdy, like the comic book store owner in the Simpsons so sorry if you took a fence 332 NYC604; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:30:53 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] and now for somthing completely different... From: Dan Novin also if anyone hasn't seen the following you should also check them out www .virtualom www.larrycarlson www.snarg (oldie but goodie) --- -- Original Message ----- From: Machinelf gro ups Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] and now for somthing completely different... In a message dated 11/4/2 002 6:14:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: i f you haven't seen this goodie already, it's HIGH time you did... enjoy :) http://w1.736.telia /~u73602493/flashback.html does anybody know of any other DMT inspired flash movies? Outgoing mail is certified V irus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft ). V a lso if anyone hasn't seen the followingyou should also check them ou t www.virtualom www.larrycarlson www.snarg (oldie but goodie) ----- Original Message ----- From: Machinelf Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: Re : [NYC604] and now for somthing completely different... In a message dated 11/4/2002 6:14:15 PM Eastern Stan dard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: if you haven't seen this goodie already, it's HIGH time you di d...enjoy :)http://w1.736.telia /~u73602493/flashback.html does anybody know of any other DMT inspired flash mo vies? be rvice. ---Outgoing mail is 0 10/31/02 333 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] and now for somthing completely different... From: "Jessica" > > > yep. > > someone requested the url on another list, and i thought i'd send it here > > as > > well. figured someone would appreciate it. apologies yer trance highness > > for > > not being up to date. ;p > > huhuhuh Trance Highness huhuhuhuh > i didn't mean to sound so nerdy, like the comic book store owner in the > Simpsons > so sorry if you took a fence > no fence taken. maybe some grass, possibly a shrubbery...but never fence. 334 Subject: The Antidote??? From: Kakulja-Teleomorph btw - at Tsunami no needles were provided for the turntables so the main act (Serge from Total Eclipse) freaked out said fuck off and went back to the hotel. And the party closed at 4am. so is he still in ny? His music is killer! it would be wonderful to arrange a way for him to play if he is still here. (I'll provide the neeedles) _,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,_ `'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'` Interdimensional devices; levitating, spinning, crawling and sliding. Linking, dividing, harmonizing and synergizing qualities, forms, waves and realities. Trans-technological singularities of temporal matrices, hyper-functional crystalline mathematic fractal baby gizmos of light, color and sound, busy, busy, busy. ~~~~~ "Such stuff as Dreams are made of" ~~~~~ HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now btw - at Tsunami no needles were provided for the turntables so the main act (Serge from Total Eclipse) freaked out said fuck off and went back to the hotel. And the party closed at 4am. HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now 335 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:17:15 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] and now for somthing completely different... From: Machinelf well, the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side of offense. That's why the best defense is a good offense, esp. if it's covered in greenery. Is this Jesse from MTV i know it's not Tweak from VH1 haha In a message dated 11/4/02 6:40:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: > huhuhuh Trance Highness huhuhuhuh > >i didn't mean to sound so nerdy, like the comic book store owner in the > >Simpsons > >so sorry if you took a fence > > > > no fence taken. > > maybe some grass, possibly a shrubbery...but never fence. > well, the grass is ALWAYS greener on the other side of offense. That's why the best defense is a good offense, esp. if it's covered in greenery. Is this Jesse from MTV i know it's not Tweak from VH1 haha In a message dated 11/4/02 6:40:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: huhuhuh Trance Highness huhuhuhuh >i didn't mean to sound so nerdy, like the comic book store owner in the >Simpsons >so sorry if you took a fence > no fence taken. maybe some grass, possibly a shrubbery...but never fence. 336 Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:19:56 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] The Antidote??? From: Machinelf In a message dated 11/4/02 7:35:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, entheologic writes: > so is he still in ny? His music is killer! it would be wonderful to > arrange a way for him to play if he is still here. (I'll provide the > neeedles) you can get needles free at any rite ade or duane reade now in a special trial program for strung out djs that was extended by de man for popular demand In a message dated 11/4/02 7:35:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, entheologic writes: so is he still in ny? His music is killer! it would be wonderful to arrange a way for him to play if he is still here. (I'll provide the neeedles) you can get needles free at any rite ade or duane reade now in a special trial program for strung out djs that was extended by de man for popular demand 337 by wm9.nyc.untd (jqueuemail) id HGTS7DCC; Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:32:55 EST Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 03:32:02 Cc: Subject: Re:Re: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: chicomorphius at juno GREETTINGS ALL!!! the problem with john emmanuel is he dosen't care about the scene or you or me for that matter he cares only for the $$$$ and is up to us to put a stop to this BS we all should go back and think how psytrance used to be this scene is DYING!!!because of people like him are we going to let this happen??? i beg to all of you who love this music go back to the real meaning of life that's what trance should be....peace...love in trance..chico _ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno 338 Sender: bcadams Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: bcadams think it's a bit of a stretch to say this scene is DYING...just look at the job Omnitribe and spectra do on a consistent basis...i havent been around that long, but i get the impression good parties used to be much fewer and far between...now they're happening on a regular basis...plus the underground scene is still alive & well...Tsunami, however, IS dying...that is a fair statement.. > Original Message From chicomorphius at juno >GREETTINGS ALL!!! the problem with john emmanuel is he dosen't care about the scene or you or me for that matter he cares only for the $$$$ and is up to us to put a stop to this BS we all should go back and think how psytrance used to be this scene is DYING!!!because of people like him are we going to let this happen??? i beg to all of you who love this music go back to the real meaning of life that's what trance should be....peace...love in trance..chico > > _ > >> 339 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: Jacob Sabat Boy, even I didn't have good time at all! Machinelf wrote:that is not to say that we all haven't had our moments, incluiding me. But the second violence comes into it - especially if it happens multiple times, with multiple chance given, it's no longer funny. this philosophy is, you can act like a freak as long as no one else is hurt or their face gotten into against their will. HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now Boy, even I didn't have good time at all! Machinelf wrote: HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now 340 by bert.psp.pas.earthlink (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) id gA5Efk724353; Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer Sender: carn1fex at earthlink From: Reply-To: carn1fex at earthlink Yknow, you guys are the biggest whiney bitches. Obviously jon wants to make money off this. If this is a sudden revalation to anyone then you need to check your head. Same with synth sadhus. If i were to put soo much energy into throwing parties, i would want a return too. Hes not jesus yknow. Sure the underground parties in jersey and wilies have been more entertaining lately. But to argue that tsunami shouldnt exist for the reasons here is to really argue that commercial parties shouldnt exist. Thats bullshit. Im sorry but dosing in a basement with 100 people listening to a local dj WHO SUCKS FUCKING BALLS AT MIXING (and yes 99% of you do) is alot of fun (no sarcasm!!) but its not the end all. I want to see X-dream, and hallucinogen bla bla sometimes and theyre never going to show up at wileys roach hole. It costs alot of money and its gotta be legal. If my breadmoney came from these parties i would charge u full admittance too. Im sorry its a revalation that economics 101 even applies to our astral enlightenement ego-zapping avenue of divination. If you really dont like them, dont fuckin go. Tsunami has thrown ALOT of parties. Some have been the BEST parties and some have been the WORST. Anyone who can count their fingers and toes knows that some of the 200 parties theyve thrown are bound to suck. Oh well. Will 'commercial' parties kill the scene? dont be a fuckin tool. Of course not. They have little effect on the outcome of underground parties. Well im ranting and spending taxpayer money. That is all joe. 341 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer To: From: "B, Nicholas" Come on Joe don't hold back... Tell us what you really feel. -----Origin al Message--From: carn1fex at earthlink [carn1fex at earthlink ] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:42 AM Cc: NYC604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer Yknow, you guys are the biggest whiney bitches. Obviously jon wants to make money off this. If this is a sudden revalation to anyone the n you need to check your head. Same with synth sadhus. If i were to put s oo much energy into throwing parties, i would want a return too. Hes not j esus yknow. Sure the underground parties in jersey and wilies have been mo re entertaining lately. But to argue that tsunami shouldnt exist for the r easons here is to really argue that commercial parties shouldnt exist. That s bullshit. Im sorry but dosing in a basement with 100 people listening to a local dj WHO SUCKS FUCKING BALLS AT MIXING (and yes 99% of you do) is al ot of fun (no sarcasm!!) but its not the end all. I want to see X-dream, a nd hallucinogen bla bla sometimes and theyre never going to show up at wile ys roach hole. It costs alot of money and its gotta be legal. If my bread money came from these parties i would charge u full admittance too. Im sor ry its a revalation that economics 101 even applies to our astral enlighten ement ego-zapping avenue of divination. If you really dont like them, dont fuckin go. Tsunami has thrown ALOT of parties. Some have been the BEST p arties and some have been the WORST. Anyone who can count their fingers an d toes knows that some of the 200 parties theyve thrown are bound to suck. Oh well. Will 'commercial' parties kill the scene? dont be a fuckin tool. Of course not. They have little effect on the outcome of underground par ties. Well im ranting and spending taxpayer money. That is all joe. Your use o 342 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: "Jason Sannachan" No you are wrong there used to be a constant stream of parties with a lot of organizers doing decent gatherings every week now things are truly much less frequent than before most of the parties now maybe 1 in 5 supply proper sound and equipment. If you were round a few years ago we pretty much kicked ass when it came to somewhere to go. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: bcadams [bcadams at amherst] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:18 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? think it's a bit of a stretch to say this scene is DYING...just look at the job Omnitribe and spectra do on a consistent basis...i havent been around that long, but i get the impression good parties used to be much fewer and far between...now they're happening on a regular basis...plus the underground scene is still alive & well...Tsunami, however, IS dying...that is a fair statement.. > Original Message From chicomorphius at juno >GREETTINGS ALL!!! the problem with john emmanuel is he dosen't care about the scene or you or me for that matter he cares only for the $$$$ and is up to us to put a stop to this BS we all should go back and think how psytrance used to be this scene is DYING!!!because of people like him are we going to let this happen??? i beg to all of you who love this music go back to the real meaning of life that's what trance should be....peace...love in trance..chico > > _ > >> 343 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: "Jason Sannachan" I cannot reply to this...............................................you created a fucking bullshiot statement and if you think that about Jon Then fuck you and you truly know shit about parties and as for saying the locals cant mix who the fuck are you sorry mate but you can stick your opinion up your ass or Jon's by the sound of it you would prefer that. TOSSA. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: carn1fex at earthlink [carn1fex at earthlink] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer Yknow, you guys are the biggest whiney bitches. Obviously jon wants to make money off this. If this is a sudden revalation to anyone then you need to check your head. Same with synth sadhus. If i were to put soo much energy into throwing parties, i would want a return too. Hes not jesus yknow. Sure the underground parties in jersey and wilies have been more entertaining lately. But to argue that tsunami shouldnt exist for the reasons here is to really argue that commercial parties shouldnt exist. Thats bullshit. Im sorry but dosing in a basement with 100 people listening to a local dj WHO SUCKS FUCKING BALLS AT MIXING (and yes 99% of you do) is alot of fun (no sarcasm!!) but its not the end all. I want to see X-dream, and hallucinogen bla bla sometimes and theyre never going to show up at wileys roach hole. It costs alot of money and its gotta be legal. If my breadmoney came from these parties i would charge u full admittance too. Im sorry its a revalation that economics 101 even applies to our astral enlightenement ego-zapping avenue of divination. If you really dont like them, dont fuckin go. Tsunami has thrown ALOT of parties. Some have been the BEST parties and some have been the WORST. Anyone who can count their fingers and toes knows that some of the 200 parties theyve thrown are bound to suck. Oh well. Will 'commercial' parties kill the scene? dont be a fuckin tool. Of course not. They have little effect on the outcome of underground parties. Well im ranting and spending taxpayer money. That is all joe. 344 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:28:49 Subject: I still had a good damn weekend! From: "krsnalotus" I had a great weekend happy indian new year it is officialy 2058 indian time. Wylies kicked ass, and it aint no roach hole! Lets see you try and have a better party! his was the best all weekend and the dj's were all good. but whatever to each his ownLeshi like big and small party's trance is in the ear of the beholder peace out give it up to the old school trance heads down with this years trends! k 345 To: "NYC604" Subject: For All You DJs From: "nan" That Old Black Vinyl: A Magical Makeover for the CD October 31, 2002 That Old Black Vinyl: A Magical Makeover for the CD B y HENRY FOUNTAIN hat goes around at 45 revolutions a min ute has come around again. The Verbatim Corporation, maker of compac t discs, has introduced a new recordable CD called the Digital Vinyl CD-R, which on the label side looks and feels like a 45-r.p.m. record. It has a b lack vinyl-like surface, complete with grooves (exaggerated for effect), an d a label area in the middle that will remind computer users of a certain a ge of an old Tamla Records single. About the only thing missing is the plas tic insert that used to let the 45's fit on the spindle of a turntable made for LP's. Forty-fives were famous for their B sides, often a forget table take of an even more forgettable song. Verbatim's B side is a standar d 700-megabyte compact disc, suitable for recording anything digital - a di gitized collection of B sides, perhaps? The discs are sold in single packs ($1.49) or multipacks ($12.99 for 10), with the inner label area ava ilable in five colors. They will come in particularly handy if you want to give your MP3-downloading, CD-ripping offspring a sense of what the hottest media format was four decades ago. Copyright The New Yor k Times Company | Permissions | Privacy Policy That Old Black Vinyl: A Magical Makeover for the CD October 31, 2002 That Old Black Vinyl: A M agical Makeover for the CDBy HENRY FOUNTAIN hat goes a round at 45 revolutions a minute has come around again. The Verbatim Corporation, maker of compact discs, has introduced a new recordable CD called the Digital Vinyl CD-R, which on the label side lo oks and feels like a 45-r.p.m. record. It has a black vinyl-like sur face, complete with grooves (exaggerated for effect), and a label ar ea in the middle that will remind computer users of a certain age of an old Tamla Records single. About the only thing missing is the pl astic insert that used to let the 45's fit on the spindle of a turnt able made for LP's. Forty-fives were famous for their B sides, often a forgettable take of an even more forgettable song. Verbatim 's B side is a standard 700-megabyte compact disc, suitable for reco rding anything digital - a digitized collection of B sides, perhaps? The discs are sold in single packs ($1.49) or multipacks ($12 .99 for 10), with the inner label area available in five colors. They will come in particularly handy if you want to give your MP3-downloading, CD-ripping offspring a sense of what the hottest medi a format was four decades ago. Cop yright The New York Times Company | Permissions | Pri vacy Policy 346 Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:37:27 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: "Ingo V" i think the original discussion was less about whining that parties cost too much or that they suck, and more about outrage geared specifically at tsunami's ethics. >From: >Reply- > >Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer > >Yknow, you guys are the biggest whiney bitches. Obviously jon wants to >make >money off this. If this is a sudden revalation to anyone then you need to >check your head. Same with synth sadhus. If i were to put soo much energy >into throwing parties, i would want a return too. Hes not jesus yknow. >Sure >the underground parties in jersey and wilies have been more entertaining >lately. But to argue that tsunami shouldnt exist for the reasons here is >to >really argue that commercial parties shouldnt exist. Thats bullshit. Im >sorry >but dosing in a basement with 100 people listening to a local dj WHO SUCKS >FUCKING BALLS AT MIXING (and yes 99% of you do) is alot of fun (no >sarcasm!!) >but its not the end all. I want to see X-dream, and hallucinogen bla bla >sometimes and theyre never going to show up at wileys roach hole. It costs >alot of money and its gotta be legal. If my breadmoney came from these >parties i would charge u full admittance too. Im sorry its a revalation >that >economics 101 even applies to our astral enlightenement ego-zapping avenue >of >divination. If you really dont like them, dont fuckin go. Tsunami has >thrown >ALOT of parties. Some have been the BEST parties and some have been the >WORST. Anyone who can count their fingers and toes knows that some of the >200 >parties theyve thrown are bound to suck. Oh well. Will 'commercial' >parties >kill the scene? dont be a fuckin tool. Of course not. They have little >effect on the outcome of underground parties. Well im ranting and spending >taxpayer money. That is all > >joe. Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn /access/plans/default.asp 347 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:23:24 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: XDreamer123 That is, by far, the most stupifying response ever. Synthetic Sadhus is a commercial event, but at least they are trying to make it look good. That's the point of it being commercial. You take the money and you buy lots of decorations and invite big bands. Tsunami takes your money and invites Infected Mashrooms for 100th time to play a dj set, instead of live as promised. And that is on a good day, because usually the promised mashrooms don't even show up. And they stuff you into some shit hole like Shelter or Vinyl with mean assed security and shit like that. The point is, that Tsunami promises but never keeps its promises. By the way, X-Dream, Hallucinogen and all other big names were brought here by Synthetic Sadhus and not but Tsunami, who are hopelessly stuck with their mundane infected mashroom gig. Boycott Tsunami and you will see that they will change or disappear. Either way, we win. That is, by far, the most stupifying response ever. Synthetic Sadhus is a commercial event, but at least they are trying to make it look good. That's the point of it being commercial. You take the money and you buy lots of decorations and invite big bands. Tsunami takes your money and invites Infected Mashrooms for 100th time to play a dj set, instead of live as promised. And that is on a good day, because usually the promised mashrooms don't even show up. And they stuff you into some shit hole like Shelter or Vinyl with mean assed security and shit like that. The point is, that Tsunami promises but never keeps its promises. By the way, X-Dream, Hallucinogen and all other big names were brought here by Synthetic Sadhus and not but Tsunami, who are hopelessly stuck with their mundane infected mashroom gig. Boycott Tsunami and you will see that they will change or disappear. Either way, we win. 348 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: "Jason Sannachan" Also guys I am not being funny here but there have been several occasions in the past years where Jon has not even told you The act is not here and you have been standing watching some dj for example :: planet ben when it actually was not planet ben and Was some 25 year old geezer called big benLeshThis is normal practice for tsunamiLesh Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer That is, by far, the most stupifying response ever. Synthetic Sadhus is a commercial event, but at least they are trying to make it look good. That's the point of it being commercial. You take the money and you buy lots of decorations and invite big bands. Tsunami takes your money and invites Infected Mashrooms for 100th time to play a dj set, instead of live as promised. And that is on a good day, because usually the promised mashrooms don't even show up. And they stuff you into some shit hole like Shelter or Vinyl with mean assed security and shit like that. The point is, that Tsunami promises but never keeps its promises. By the way, X-Dream, Hallucinogen and all other big names were brought here by Synthetic Sadhus and not but Tsunami, who are hopelessly stuck with their mundane infected mashroom gig. Boycott Tsunami and you will see that they will change or disappear. Either way, we win. Lesh Also guys I am n ot being funny here but there have been several occasions in the past years where Jon has not even told you The act is not here and you have been standing watching some dj for example :: planet ben when it actually was not planet ben and Was some 25 year old geezer ca lled big benLesh This is normal practice for tsunamiLesh Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DIL LIGAFF'' - ----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:23 PM .co m Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer That is, by far, the most stupifying respons e ever. Synthetic Sadhus is a commercial event, but at least they are trying to make it look good. That's the point of it being commercial . You take the money and you buy lots of decorations and invite big b ands. Tsunami takes your money and invites Infected Mashrooms for 100 th time to play a dj set, instead of live as promised. And that is on a good day, because usually the promised mashrooms don't even show up. And they stuff you into some shit hole like Shelter or Vinyl with mean a ssed security and shit like that. The point is, that Tsunami promises but never keeps its promises. By the way, X-Dream, Halluci nogen and all other big names were brought here by Synthetic Sadhus and not but Tsunami, who are hopelessly stuck with their mundane infected mashroom gig. Boycott Tsunami and you will see that they will chang e or disappear. Either way, we win. NYC604-uns ubscribe Terms of Service. 349 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer To: From: "B, Nicholas" I'm pretty sure 'Big Ben' is a porno star... -----Original Message-- F rom: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Tuesday, No vember 05, 2002 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer Also guys I am not being funny here but there have been several occasions in the past years where Jon has not even told you The act is not here and you have been standing watchin g some dj for example :: planet ben when it actually was not planet ben and Was some 25 year old geezer called big benLesh This is normal practice for tsunamiLesh Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 we st 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistr ibution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Messag e-- From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesd ay, November 05, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [NC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer That is, by far, the most stupifying response ever. Synthetic Sadhus is a commercial event, but at least they are trying to make it look good. That's the point of it being c ommercial. You take the money and you buy lots of decorations and invite b ig bands. Tsunami takes your money and invites Infected Mashrooms for 100t h time to play a dj set, instead of live as promised. And that is on a goo d day, because usually the promised mashrooms don't even show up. And they stuff you into some shit hole like Shelter or Vinyl with mean assed securi ty and shit like that. The point is, that Tsunami promises but never keeps its promises. By the way, X-Dream, Hallucinogen and all other big nam es were brought here by Synthetic Sadhus and not but Tsunami, who are hopel essly stuck with their mundane infected mashroom gig. Boycott Tsunami and you will see that they will change or disappear. Either way, we win. Your use oogroups f Message at font-face { } P. { } LI. { } DIV. { FONT-FAM orphan } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.Mso { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; tex t-underline: single } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DE CORATION: underline; text-underline: single } P.MsoAutoSig { } LI.MsoAutoSig { F } DIV.Ms oAutoSig { phan } TT { "Courier New" } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { } DIV.Section1 { page: Se ction1 } I'm pretty sure 'Big Ben' is a porno star. .. -----Original Message-----From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Tues day, November 05, 2002 4:36 PMSubject: RE: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer Also guys I am not being funny here but there have been s everal occasions in the past years where Jon has not even told you The act is n ot here and you have been standing watching some dj for example :: plane t ben when it actually was not planet ben and Was some 25 year old geezer called big benLesh Th is is normal practice for tsunamiLesh Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th str eet suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-----From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ]Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:23 PMTo: NYC604Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organi zer That is, by far, the most stupifying response ever. Synth etic Sadhus is a commercial event, but at least they are trying to make it look good. That's the point of it being commercial. You t ake the money and you buy lots of decorations and invite big bands. Tsunami takes your money and invites Infected Mashrooms for 100th time to play a dj set, instead of live as promised. And that is on a g ood day, because usually the promised mashrooms don't even show up. And they stuff you into some shit hole like Shelter or Vinyl with mean assed security and shit like that. The point is, that Tsunami pro mises but never keeps its promises. By the way, X-Dream, H allucinogen and all other big names were brought here by Synthetic Sadhu s and not but Tsunami, who are hopelessly stuck with their mundane infec ted mashroom gig. Boycott Tsunami and you will see that th ey will change or disappear. Either way, we win. ---No lies, no o grou p, send an email to: Serv ice. ---No lies, no one word replies, no send an eNYC60 350 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: "Jason Sannachan" U know him???? Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer I'm pretty sure 'Big Ben' is a porno star... -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer Also guys I am not being funny here but there have been several occasions in the past years where Jon has not even told you The act is not here and you have been standing watching some dj for example :: planet ben when it actually was not planet ben and Was some 25 year old geezer called big benLeshThis is normal practice for tsunamiLesh Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer That is, by far, the most stupifying response ever. Synthetic Sadhus is a commercial event, but at least they are trying to make it look good. That's the point of it being commercial. You take the money and you buy lots of decorations and invite big bands. Tsunami takes your money and invites Infected Mashrooms for 100th time to play a dj set, instead of live as promised. And that is on a good day, because usually the promised mashrooms don't even show up. And they stuff you into some shit hole like Shelter or Vinyl with mean assed security and shit like that. The point is, that Tsunami promises but never keeps its promises. By the way, X-Dream, Hallucinogen and all other big names were brought here by Synthetic Sadhus and not but Tsunami, who are hopelessly stuck with their mundane infected mashroom gig. Boycott Tsunami and you will see that they will change or disappear. Either way, we win. Lesh Lesh Lesh Message Docu mentEmail U know him???? & Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Dist ribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY N 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: B, Nicholas [Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp ] Sent: Tuesday, November 05 , 2002 4:35 PM To: NYC60 4 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer I'm pretty sure 'Big Ben' is a porno star... -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at stu diodistribution ] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:36 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organ izer Also guys I am not being funny here b ut there have been several occasions in the past years where Jon has not ev en told you The act is not here and you have been standing watching some dj for example :: planet ben when it actually was not planet ben and Was some 25 year old geezer called big benLesh This is normal practice for tsunamiLesh -s "E- mail Signature" J ason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chel sea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreame r123 ] Sent: Tues day, November 05, 2002 4:23 PM S ubject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer That is, by far, the m ost stupifying response ever. Synthetic Sadhus is a commercial event, but at least they are trying to make it look good. That's the point of it being commercial. You take the money and you buy lots of decora tions and invite big bands. Tsunami takes your money and invites Infe cted Mashrooms for 100th time to play a dj set, instead of live as promised . And that is on a good day, because usually the promised mashrooms d on't even show up. And they stuff you into some shit hole like Shelte r or Vinyl with mean assed security and shit like that. The point is, that Tsunami promises but never keeps its promises. By the way, X-Dream, Hallucinogen and all other big names were brought here by Sy nthetic Sadhus and not but Tsunami, who are hopelessly stuck with their mun dane infected mashroom gig. Boycott Tsunami and you will se e that they will change or disappear. Either way, we win. event spam Your u se of -- - nt spam . N com Your use of 351 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:50:32 EST Subject: From John Emmanuel of Tsunami From: Machinelf 352 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 21:34:34 Subject: Re: Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: "krsnalotus" Bullshit Tsunami was the first to have them and if you were around for the early partys they were amazing and TSunami has been around since 1996 Gill started thrwoing his wonderful parties later on in 1998 i believe So X-dream was around way before the Syththethic partys And hallucinogen Yea tsunami may have fucked up here and there but overall they had way more better partys to themselves. And SS is great it may be considered comercial but it was underground at 1 point too. All the promoters are greedy by the way I dont care what u say. We should hav some sort of poll!! hey you moderator!!!!!!!!! > Tsunami promises but never keeps its promises. > > By the way, X-Dream, Hallucinogen and all other big names were brought here > by Synthetic Sadhus and not but Tsunami, who are hopelessly stuck with their > 353 Subject: RE: [NYC604] From John Emmanuel of Tsunami To: From: "B, Nicholas" A man of few words eh? -----Original Message--From: Machinelf [Machinelf] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:51 PM To: ny c604 Subject: [NYC604] From John Emmanuel of Tsunami oo! Groups is subject to 354 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: "Jason Sannachan" Hey Kamal you should let Jon see how much you support me maybe he'll let you headline for him or is that headling Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: krsnalotus [krsnalotus ] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: [NYC604] Re: Worst trance parties ever, by organizer Bullshit Tsunami was the first to have them and if you were around for the early partys they were amazing and TSunami has been around since 1996 Gill started thrwoing his wonderful parties later on in 1998 i believe So X-dream was around way before the Syththethic partys And hallucinogen Yea tsunami may have fucked up here and there but overall they had way more better partys to themselves. And SS is great it may be considered comercial but it was underground at 1 point too. All the promoters are greedy by the way I dont care what u say. We should hav some sort of poll!! hey you moderator!!!!!!!!! > Tsunami promises but never keeps its promises. > > By the way, X-Dream, Hallucinogen and all other big names were brought here > by Synthetic Sadhus and not but Tsunami, who are hopelessly stuck with their > 355 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:44:03 EST Subject: response from tsunami From: Machinelf (this was accidentally left out of the previous email) We are fully aware of all the problems there have been with our Halloween Party. As I have said all night, this is the worst Party I have every seen, and I personally take full responsability for it, and there is no excuse for it. >From the people who aproached me during the night, and the ones who were there at the premature closeing, I have taken their names, and they will be our honored quests at our next party. We are cofindent, and we will do everything we can, that they will have a very uplifting and mind expanding experience. With our sincere appologies, Respect and Love, John-Emmanuel Gartmann TSUNAMI (this was accidentally left out of the previous email) We are fully aware of all the problems there have been with our Halloween Party. As I have said all night, this is the worst Party I have every seen, and I personally take full responsability for it, and there is no excuse for it. >From the people who aproached me during the night, and the ones who were there at the premature closeing, I have taken their names, and they will be our honored quests at our next party. We are cofindent, and we will do everything we can, that they will have a very uplifting and mind expanding experience. With our sincere appologies, Respect and Love, John-Emmanuel Gartmann TSUNAMI 356 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] wheel of samsara goes round and round From: "Jessica" standing thunderous round of applause, joe. brilliant, and i agree wholeheartedly. commercial parties don't get old, whiny bitchy people do. personally i don't and never have bought into any of the political cliquey crap that goes on in the NY trance scene, and i refuse to jump on the promoter bashing bandwagon. a promoter is a promoter is a promoter. whether they think they are the King of NY Trance (tm) or Just Out To Make A Buck or Really Dig This Music, if they pull through with parties and acts, and a decent spot to throw down, more power to them. the fact is, sometimes parties fail miserably. and sometimes they make heavy, lasting, vibrant and spiritual impressions. Tsunami has done both. Sadhus have done both. parties i helped throw back when have done both. parties in dear ol South Anjuna have done both. personally i think it's the fuckups that help make future parties better, assuming one learns the lesson. those promoters who think they are holier than thou and above screwing the pooch every once in awhile have a humbling and precious experience ahead of them. now. enough with this negativity. how about listing the best parties ever? > Yknow, you guys are the biggest whiney bitches. Obviously jon wants to make > money off this. If this is a sudden revalation to anyone then you need to > check your head. Same with synth sadhus. If i were to put soo much energy > into throwing parties, i would want a return too. Hes not jesus yknow. Sure > the underground parties in jersey and wilies have been more entertaining > lately. But to argue that tsunami shouldnt exist for the reasons here is to > really argue that commercial parties shouldnt exist. Thats bullshit. Im sorry > but dosing in a basement with 100 people listening to a local dj WHO SUCKS > FUCKING BALLS AT MIXING (and yes 99% of you do) is alot of fun (no sarcasm!!) > but its not the end all. I want to see X-dream, and hallucinogen bla bla > sometimes and theyre never going to show up at wileys roach hole. It costs > alot of money and its gotta be legal. If my breadmoney came from these > parties i would charge u full admittance too. Im sorry its a revalation that > economics 101 even applies to our astral enlightenement ego-zapping avenue of > divination. If you really dont like them, dont fuckin go. Tsunami has thrown > ALOT of parties. Some have been the BEST parties and some have been the > WORST. Anyone who can count their fingers and toes knows that some of the 200 > parties theyve thrown are bound to suck. Oh well. Will 'commercial' parties > kill the scene? dont be a fuckin tool. Of course not. They have little > effect on the outcome of underground parties. Well im ranting and spending > taxpayer money. That is all > > joe. > 357 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:12:33 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] wheel of samsara goes round and round From: Machinelf In a message dated 11/5/02 6:34:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: > now. enough with this negativity. how about listing the best parties ever? Organizer Best party Burning Elf Lord of the Rings upstate 2002 Omnitribe Pro Forma Records Upstate 2002 Synthetic Sadhus Too many to count Spectra Hux Flux at the Key 2001 PSI A Reflux in NJ Pine Barrens DMT Rite of Beltainne, GW West Tsunami Return to the Source (Liberty Science Center) 1996 Wylie's Trance Mission Electric Koolaid Party, squat penthouse 2002 Paradox Bridge Party 1998 Global Trance Productions (Phantasm Party) Lunatarium 2002 A Physxs Bridge Party1996 House of Trance Goa Gil party upstate In-Trance-It Archaic Revival at DUMBO Subtlechaos Bridge Party In a message dated 11/5/02 6:34:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: now. enough with this negativity. how about listing the best parties ever? Organizer Best party Burning Elf Lord of the Rings upstate 2002 Omnitribe Pro Forma Records Upstate 2002 Synthetic Sadhus Too many to count Spectra Hux Flux at the Key 2001 PSI A Reflux in NJ Pine Barrens DMT Rite of Beltainne, GW West Tsunami Return to the Source (Liberty Science Center) 1996 Wylie's Trance Mission Electric Koolaid Party, squat penthouse 2002 Paradox Bridge Party 1998 Global Trance Productions (Phantasm Party) Lunatarium 2002 A Physxs Bridge Party1996 House of Trance Goa Gil party upstate In-Trance-It Archaic Revival at DUMBO Subtlechaos Bridge Party 358 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 02:26:10 Cc: Subject: Re:RE: [NYC604] worst trance party ever? From: chicomorphius at juno WELL i do respect the opinion of all of you and why do i say this well i have been in the scene for about 4 years, partys used to be about people getting togheder and share somthing very special,don't get me wrong omnitribe,and spectra are doing somthing really wonderfull and i given my respect for that, but why are we keep going to partys that you know won't deliver what they promess? if i am going to a party i want to pay for what i was promessed!!!. WHAT happended to the partys where you felt welcome, not like you are someone who pay $35 or whatever amount of money,i used to go to partys and fell that i was welcome there now is more about politics,and when i say is DYING!! i mean it has lost the real meaning of brotherhood and sharing that special bounding that we all have once we discover trance. i want to ask anyone of you ?how many times youy have gonne to a party and say this shit sucks?? if you really understand the meaning o trance you would understrand what i am saying... with all your respect...chico _ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno 359 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: Jacob Sabat All we are saying is, if you are going to charge $30, don't give us a $5 party. Don't get greedy. Ingo V wrote:i think the original discussion was less about whining that parties cost too much or that they suck, and more about outrage geared specifically at tsunami's ethics. >From: >Reply- > >Subject: Re: [NYC604] Worst trance parties ever, by organizer > >Yknow, you guys are the biggest whiney bitches. Obviously jon wants to >make >money off this. If this is a sudden revalation to anyone then you need to >check your head. Same with synth sadhus. If i were to put soo much energy >into throwing parties, i would want a return too. Hes not jesus yknow. >Sure >the underground parties in jersey and wilies have been more entertaining >lately. But to argue that tsunami shouldnt exist for the reasons here is >to >really argue that commercial parties shouldnt exist. Thats bullshit. Im >sorry >but dosing in a basement with 100 people listening to a local dj WHO SUCKS >FUCKING BALLS AT MIXING (and yes 99% of you do) is alot of fun (no >sarcasm!!) >but its not the end all. I want to see X-dream, and hallucinogen bla bla >sometimes and theyre never going to show up at wileys roach hole. It costs >alot of money and its gotta be legal. If my breadmoney came from these >parties i would charge u full admittance too. Im sorry its a revalation >that >economics 101 even applies to our astral enlightenement ego-zapping avenue >of >divination. If you really dont like them, dont fuckin go. Tsunami has >thrown >ALOT of parties. Some have been the BEST parties and some have been the >WORST. Anyone who can count their fingers and toes knows that some of the >200 >parties theyve thrown are bound to suck. Oh well. Will 'commercial' >parties >kill the scene? dont be a fuckin tool. Of course not. They have little >effect on the outcome of underground parties. Well im ranting and spending >taxpayer money. That is all > >joe. Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn /access/plans/default.asp HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now All we are saying is, if you are going to charge $30, don't give us a $5 party. Don't get greedy. Ingo V wrote: HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now 360 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 03:42:58 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Worst trance parties ever, by organizer From: XDreamer123 If you don't care what I say, then why are you arguing with me ??? If you don't care what I say, then why are you arguing with me ??? 361 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 03:45:17 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] response from tsunami From: XDreamer123 Sure, you can experience how fucked up they are for free !!! Wow, that is soooo cool ! What a great way to make everyone whom you fooled to feel better. Way to go Tsunami !!! Sure, you can experience how fucked up they are for free !!! Wow, that is soooo cool ! What a great way to make everyone whom you fooled to feel better. Way to go Tsunami !!! 362 by bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id gA6EL14890 Subject: Re: Worst trance parties ever Sender: carn1fex at earthlink From: Reply-To: carn1fex at earthlink Bottom line, because tsunami parties have been lame lately doesnt mean commercial parties are lame, or that tsunami shouldnt be around. Ive been to total shit parties by every promoter. Use your judgment. Tsunami booking someone to come DJ whos part of a live act (who knows if theyve ever touched turntables, could rant for awhile on this) probly means not alot of effort went into the party on all fronts. On the other hand if x-dream, god, and curtis mayfield are on the bill, from my experience, the party goes kooky crazy. Yea the vibe in the scene has changed in the past 5 years but that goes for any 'scene'. The days of flaming izrealis jumping thru windows screaming at the top of their lungs are very rare now but i wouldnt blame that on greedy jons details. If you want a certain vibe, your spidey sense should tell you where to go. If you want certain music, you should likewise be able to figure what to attend and what not to attend. If you havnt figured that by now.. well.. sorry. right now im more concerned about the republicans getting their fist around the country and the nazis this will most like permit bush to put on the supreme court bench. Europeans: can we come home with you? we can clean n shit.:) bling bling j 363 To: "NYC604" Subject: Oh, Brother From: "nan" Officials Say International Ecstasy Ring Is Smashed Novembe r 6, 2002 Officials Say International Ecstasy Ring Is Smashed B y THE NEW YORK TIMES ederal authorities announced yester day that they had broken up what they called an international narcotics rin g in which Dominican drug dealers in New York were importing thousands of E cstasy tablets from the Netherlands. In one case, the smugglers hid 21,000 Ecstasy tablets in the frame of a print of Rembrandt's "Night Watch, " which were seized by the authorities in August, officials said. In all, 20 people were arrested, including 11 in New York on Monday and 9 in the Netherlands yesterday, said James B. Comey, the United States attorney in Manhattan. He said that the authorities had seized more than 100,000 Ecs tasy tablets. Anthony P. PlAo, the special agent in charge of the New York office of the D.E.A., said the arrests were significant because D ominican drug dealers "have got the infrastructure" for the distribution of H or C, and they were now "expanding their product line, if you will." Mr. Comey said the pills were not going "to some junkie on t he street corner," but to teenagers. Copyright The New York Times Company | Permissions | Privacy Policy Officials Say International Ecstasy Ring Is Smashed November 6, 2002 Officials Say International Ecstasy Ring Is Smashed By THE NEW YORK TIMES ederal authorities announced yesterday that they had broken up what they called an international narcotics ring in which Dominican drug dealers in New York were importing thousands of Ecstasy tablets from the Netherlands. In one case, the smugglers hid 21,000 Ecstasy tablets in the frame of a print of Rembrandt's "Night Watch," which were seized by the authorities in A ugust, officials said. In all, 20 people were arrested, includ ing 11 in New York on Monday and 9 in the Netherlands yesterday, sai d James B. Comey, the United States attorney in Manhattan. He said t hat the authorities had seized more than 100,000 Ecstasy tablets. Anthony P. PlAo, the special agent in charge of the New York office of the D.E.A., said the arrests were significant because Domi nican drug dealers "have got the infrastructure" for the distributio n of H or C, and they were now "expanding their product l ine, if you will." Mr. Comey said the pills were not going "t o some junkie on the street corner," but to teenagers. Copyright The New York Times Company | Permissions | Privacy Policy 364 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Oh, Brother From: valerio zhyin nan wrote: November 6, 2002Officials Say International Ecstasy Ring Is SmashedBy THE NEW YORK TIMES ederal authorities announced yesterday that they had broken up what they called an international narcotics ring in which Dominican drug dealers in New York were importing thousands of Ecstasy tablets from the Netherlands. In one case, the smugglers hid 21,000 Ecstasy tablets in the frame of a print of Rembrandt's "Night Watch," which were seized by the authorities in August, officials said. In all, 20 people were arrested, including 11 in New York on Monday and 9 in the Netherlands yesterday, said James B. Comey, the United States attorney in Manhattan. He said that the authorities had seized more than 100,000 Ecstasy tablets. Anthony P. PlAo, the special agent in charge of the New York office of the D.E.A., said the arrests were significant because Dominican drug dealers "have got the infrastructure" for the distribution of H or C, and they were now "expanding their product line, if you will." Mr. Comey said the pills were not going "to some junkie on the street corner," but to teenagers. Copyright The New York Times Company | Permissions | Privacy Policy nan wrote: November 6, 2002 Officials Say International Ecstasy Ring Is SmashedBy THE NEW YORK TIMES ederal authorities announced yesterday that they had broken up what they called an international narcotics ring in which Dominican drug dealers in New York were importing thousands of Ecstasy tablets from the Netherlands. In one case, the smugglers hid 21,000 Ecstasy tablets in the frame of a print of Rembrandt's "Night Watch," which were seized by the authorities in August, officials said. In all, 20 people were arrested, including 11 in New York on Monday and 9 in the Netherlands yesterday, said James B. Comey, the United States attorney in Manhattan. He said that the authorities had seized more than 100,000 Ecstasy tablets. Anthony P. PlAo, the special agent in charge of the New York office of the D.E.A., said the arrests were significant because Dominican drug dealers "have got the infrastructure" for the distribution of H or C, and they were now "expanding their product line, if you will." Mr. Comey said the pills were not going "to some junkie on the street corner," but to teenagers. 365 Subject: Tsunami promoter soapbox To: From: Alex Sidtis We work to bring people together. Period. At some events the production and the chemistry is right and the party can be amazing... Other times venu es are hard to book... Staying past 4am is very hard to negotiate and even harder to ensure once the club realizes that their registers rang in a dism al amount. I believe this scenario plagued the Halloween party. New York is not a friendly place to throw and outdoor party, Stuck on Earth, Cream a nd Mekka found that out the hard way. Permits need to be secured city offi cials need to be paid and the NYPD placated. All of this cost money. So New York is a city of clubs. To do a legitimate party you need a venue, t he right size the right price and the right sound (unfortunately most promo ters look for venues in that order). Bar guarantees, security all need to be negotiated to keep a club open after 4am. That can take weeks to execut e and pay for. Tsunami has always looked to throw parties in varied and di fferent locations. One reason Tsunami moved from Vinyl in 2000 was because most trancers were B3boredB2 with the place. Gilles knows this will hap pen to him, and believe it or not the Lunatarium will feel the same way. S o it was off to Mars 2112 a perfect venue for SUN Project, they were still hot after blowing away the Millenium party, which I still believe was the l argest (in-terms of talent) psy-trance party in North America. So Mars is a restaurant that can think outside of the box, they insisted on putting in 3 extra bars because they couldnB9t conceive of not selling alcohol... wh ich of course they didnB9t. So next time we wanted to use the venue for X -Dream they doubled the price. Fine a $30,000 rental cool, we have a CD com ing out lets do it. Call Mars today they want 70k. Who will pay for that? At 30k we need 666 people to pay for the venue at $45... Not including th e talent, air and accommodations, flyers distribution cost and some cab far e to get me back to Brooklyn. ItB9s hard and this example rings true with every venue Tsunami has ever worked with. So you look for new venues but some of them suck ie. BB Kings and Octagon some get anxious at the last mi nute like Arc. Sometimes artists threaten to stop working with you if you donB9t book them right now this month so you have to do a party even if yo u donB9t have a good venue. And sometimes you work with people who think a large scale trance weekly will work in the basement of Speeed (I would sa y Shelter but they still havenB9t changed it all that much). That was ver y hard and didnB9t really work... But it did bring some new people into th e scene so I donB9t think it was a total loss. I have been promoting in N ew York for 4 years. My company had distributed hand to hand over 3 millio n flyers, and I personally try to make it to every trance party I can becau se I love the music. I listen to everything I can and I go out almost ever y night. We have probably chatted at some point or smoked together and I k now I tried to hand you a flyer at some point in time. Whether you take it and say thank you or ask a few questions IB9ll be there. If you look at me and say I hate Tsunami, or fuck John fine IB9ll still be there. I neve r made it to the Halloween party but believe me John called me at 7am to te ll me it was the worst party he has ever seen. Now I have to get off my as s and see that the next one is better. Peace Alex If anyone wants to see some old Tsunami flyers online : http://www.4pt0 /flyer_archive/spgm.php Tsunami promoter soapbox We work to bring people together. Period. At some events the production and the chemistry is right and the party can be amazing... Other times venues are hard to book... Staying past 4am is v ery hard to negotiate and even harder to ensure once the club realizes that their registers rang in a dismal amount. I believe this scenario pla gued the Halloween party. New York is not a friendly place to thro w and outdoor party, Stuck on Earth, Cream and Mekka found that out the har d way. Permits need to be secured city officials need to be paid and the NYPD placated. All of this cost money. So New Yor k is a city of clubs. To do a legitimate party you need a venue, the right size the right price and the right sound (unfortunately most promoter s look for venues in that order). Bar guarantees, security all need t o be negotiated to keep a club open after 4am. That can take weeks to execute and pay for. Tsunami has always looked to throw parties in v aried and different locations. One reason Tsunami moved from Vinyl in 2000 was because most trancers were “bored” with the place. Gilles knows this will happen to him, and believe it or not the Lunatar ium will feel the same way. So it was off to Mars 2112 a perfect v enue for SUN Project, they were still hot after blowing away the Millenium party, which I still believe was the largest (in-terms of talent) psy-tranc e party in North America. So Mars is a restaurant that can think outs ide of the box, they insisted on putting in 3 extra bars because they could nt conceive of not selling alcohol... which of course they didn̵ 7;t. So next time we wanted to use the venue for X-Dream they doubled the price. Fine a $30,000 rental cool, we have a CD coming out lets do it. Call Mars today they want 70k. Who will pay for that? At 30k we need 666 people to pay for the venue at $45... Not including the ta lent, air and accommodations, flyers distribution cost and some cab fare to get me back to Brooklyn. Its hard and this example rings true with every venue Tsunami has ever worked with. So you look for ne w venues but some of them suck ie. BB Kings and Octagon some get anxi ous at the last minute like Arc. Sometimes artists threaten to stop w orking with you if you dont book them right now this month so you ha ve to do a party even if you dont have a good venue. And so metimes you work with people who think a large scale trance weekly will wor k in the basement of Speeed (I would say Shelter but they still haven’ ;t changed it all that much). That was very hard and didnt rea lly work... But it did bring some new people into the scene so I don t think it was a total loss. I have been promoting in New York for 4 years. My company had distributed hand to hand over 3 million flye rs, and I personally try to make it to every trance party I can because I l ove the music. I listen to everything I can and I go out almost every night. We have probably chatted at some point or smoked together and I know I tried to hand you a flyer at some point in time. Whether yo u take it and say thank you or ask a few questions Ill be there. If you look at me and say I hate Tsunami, or fuck John fine Ill s till be there. I never made it to the Halloween party but believe me John called me at 7am to tell me it was the worst party he has ever seen . Now I have to get off my ass and see that the next one is better. Peace Alex If anyone wants to see some old Tsunami fly ers online : http://www.4pt0 /flyer_archive/spgm.php 366 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 18:01:09 EST Subject: Fwd: response to alex' post From: Machinelf 367 To: "NYC604" Subject: Lost & Found From Leon's Party From: "nan" If anyone is missing a grey glove or black somewhat-tall fuzzy hat, I have them. Let me know if they're yours and we can make arrangements to return them. Thanks. n If anyone is missing a grey glove or black somewhat-tall fuzzy hat, I have them. Let me know if they're yours and we can make arrangements to return them. Thanks. n 368 Subject: Ya gonna love this... To: From: "B, Nicholas" Talk about some female energy? Here ya go... http://www.gamegirladvance.co m/archives/2002/10/26/sex_in_games_rezvibrator.html 369 To: "NYC604" Subject: Not Cool At All From: "nan" 441 citations could mean $968 for each rave-goer Racine police intend for p enalty to send message discouraging the parties By TOM KERTSCHER tkertscher at journalsentinel Last Updated: Nov. 5, 2002 Racine - Every one of the 4 41 people ticketed at a rave party over the weekend is facing a forfeiture of at least $968 for being a "patron of a disorderly house," police said Mo nday. Racine Rave: Police arrest 3, ti cket 445 (11/4/02) Racine defense attorney Mark Richards called the municipal tickets outrageous, saying a mass of people did not b reak a law simply by attending a party where some people may have been usin g drugs or engaging in other illegal activity. "Your freedoms cannot be im pinged upon by the stupidity of others," he said. But Sgt. William Macemon , spokesman for the Racine Police Department, said all the party-goers were ticketed because it was clear the venue was being used for consuming and e xchanging drugs. A Racine ordinance prohibits use of a premises for such pu rposes, and the party-goers contributed to the party being disorderly by re maining there, he said. "A reasonable person should see these things and g et out of the party," Macemon said. Macemon said two undercover Racine off icers witnessed drug activity after being tipped off by the U.S. Customs Se rvice that a rave party was being held Saturday night and early Sunday at t he Tradewinds Bar, 1518 Washington Ave. At that point, more than 20 uniform ed officers descended on the party and spent the next four hours writing ti ckets, he said. Four people received similar disorderly house tickets for $999, alleging they helped put on the party, Macemon said. Also, three peop le were arrested on drug charges, and M, Ecstasy tablets and ketami ne - a drug used by veterinarians - were seized, he said. Daniel Thomas, 2 6, of Kansasville said Monday that based on other rave parties he attended, he expected there would be drug activity at this one. But he said he and h is friends paid the $15 admission fee just to dance and did nothing illegal . "I'm not going to give them $968; that's ridiculous," he said. Thomas' girlfriend, 20-year-old Crystal Sheets of Kansasville, said she saw no drug activity. "I could not believe that I was getting a fine for someone havin g drugs there," she said. Richards, the defense attorney, said those who i gnore the tickets and don't go to court will be found guilty and then risk losing their driving privileges or being jailed if they later are stopped b y police in Wisconsin. He said it was likely that the city attorney's offic e would offer plea bargains, resulting in lower fines. Richards said that police should have arrested anyone breaking the law and, if the party was d angerous, should have simply shut it down and sent people home, as other ag encies have done. "How can you say that the people who are there who aren' t doing anything are in any way disorderly? One-size-fits-all law enforceme nt - welcome to discretion in the Racine Police Department," he said. Mace mon said issuing the tickets is important because raves can lead to dangero us activity such as fights, sexual assault and driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol. He acknowledged that the citations could deter future raves in Racine. "We do want to let people know this won't be tolerated in Racine," he said. A version of this story appeared in the Milwaukee Jo urnal Sentinel on Nov. 5, 2002. 441 citations could mean $968 for each rave-goer Racine pol ice intend for penalty to send message discouraging the parties B y TOM KERTSCHERtkert scher at journalsentinel Last Updated: Nov. 5, 2002 Racine - Every one of the 441 people ticketed at a rave party over the weekend is facing a forfeiture of at least $968 for being a "patr on of a disorderly house," police said Monday. Racine Rave: Police arrest 3, ticket 445 (11/4/02) Racine defense attorney Mark Richards called the municipal tickets outrageous, saying a mass of people did not break a law simply by attending a party where some people may have been using drugs or engaging in other illegal activity. "Your freedoms cannot be impinged upon by the stu pidity of others," he said. But Sgt. William Macemon, spokesman for the Racine Police Department, said all the party-goers were ticketed beca use it was clear the venue was being used for consuming and exchanging dru gs. A Racine ordinance prohibits use of a premises for such purposes, and the party-goers contributed to the party being disorderly by remaining the re, he said. "A reasonable person should see these things and get ou t of the party," Macemon said. Macemon said two undercover Racine o fficers witnessed drug activity after being tipped off by the U.S. Customs Service that a rave party was being held Saturday night and early Sunday at the Tradewinds Bar, 1518 Washington Ave. At that point, more than 20 un iformed officers descended on the party and spent the next four hours writ ing tickets, he said. Four people received similar disorderly house tickets for $999, alleging they helped put on the party, Macemon said. Als o, three people were arrested on drug charges, and M, Ecstasy tabl ets and ketamine - a drug used by veterinarians - were seized, he said. Daniel Thomas, 26, of Kansasville said Monday that based on other rave parties he attended, he expected there would be drug activity at this one . But he said he and his friends paid the $15 admission fee just to dance and did nothing illegal. "I'm not going to give them $968; that's r idiculous," he said. Thomas' girlfriend, 20-year-old Crystal Sheets of Kansasville, said she saw no drug activity. "I could not believe that I was getting a fine for someone having drugs there," she said. Rich ards, the defense attorney, said those who ignore the tickets and don't go to court will be found guilty and then risk losing their driving privilege s or being jailed if they later are stopped by police in Wisconsin. He sai d it was likely that the city attorney's office would offer plea bargains, resulting in lower fines. Richards said that police should have ar rested anyone breaking the law and, if the party was dangerous, should hav e simply shut it down and sent people home, as other agencies have done. "How can you say that the people who are there who aren't doing anyth ing are in any way disorderly? One-size-fits-all law enforcement - welcome to discretion in the Racine Police Department," he said. Macemon s aid issuing the tickets is important because raves can lead to dangerous a ctivity such as fights, sexual assault and driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol. He acknowledged that the citations could deter future ra ves in Racine. "We do want to let people know this won't be tolerate d in Racine," he said. A version of this story appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Nov. 5, 2002. 370 Subject: Fwd: OPEN BAR and Gamer TV From: Paul Smith for anyone who's interested in breaks/drum and bass, live video scratching, and an OPEN BAR... check it out... -paul. Hello Friends I'm doing a show this Sunday, NOVEMBER 10th at Opaline...basically I need all your asses to show up so this TV crew from London can film me playing records w/squaresquare. It's an open bar from 7-8 and only runs from 7-9 so please come fuck faces! Here is the complete info... MeT M and SQUARESQUARE invite you to RGB.. e experience the next level of video and sound. SQUARESQUARE live video scratching to the sounds of SARA WALKER. Also performing...LISA SHAW & SWINGSETT WHEN: SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 10th, 2002 TIME: 7-9pm OPEN BAR 7-8pm WHERE: OPALINE 85 Avenue A between east 5th and 6th Street, NYC This event will be filmed by Gamer TV...Gamer TV is a global leader in the production of games and entertainment programming for television. U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD for anyone who's interested in breaks/drum and bass, live video scratching, and an OPEN BAR... check it out... -paul. U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD 371 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:01:26 EST Subject: Phantasm review: awesome Cc: phantasmusa From: Machinelf The Phantasm Records/Global Trance Productions TIP party at the Lunatrium was an unmitigated success with at least 600 people and loud sound (guess Lunatarium really got their cabaret license last week - Omnitribe got a bad deal 2 weeks ago, which I missed because i was out of town but Lisa said was great. Everything was perfect. I had a great time. It felt like the old school. I've only seen more people at the Lunatarium once, tfor the Burning Man party there. I lfet at 6am and it was still strong. The Phantasm Records/Global Trance Productions TIP party at the Lunatrium was an unmitigated success with at least 600 people and loud sound (guess Lunatarium really got their cabaret license last week - Omnitribe got a bad deal 2 weeks ago, which I missed because i was out of town but Lisa said was great. Everything was perfect. I had a great time. It felt like the old school. I've only seen more people at the Lunatarium once, tfor the Burning Man party there. I lfet at 6am and it was still strong. 372 Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:05:34 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Phantasm review: awesome From: "Mike _" Gotta agree, that was an amazing party. Great music, lots of cool people and a great vibe. Had an amazing time going nuts up front by the DJ's with all the crazy people during the last few hours of the party :) Mike 373 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:00:12 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Phantasm review: awesome From: XDreamer123 Absolutely amazing :) Great place, great music, great party. I hope they do more events in Lunatarium. Seems like a cool place for a good ole' all out trance madness. GMS were fucking fantastic !!! Absolutely amazing :) Great place, great music, great party. I hope they do more events in Lunatarium. Seems like a cool place for a good ole' all out trance madness. GMS were fucking fantastic !!! 374 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:00:42 EST Subject: Fwd: wylie's party Cc: wylier18 From: Machinelf In a message dated 11/12/2002 5:27:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, evancairo writes: > > i wanted to publicly thank wylie and all who made his > party as wonderful as it was. i came, knowing only > miss icycoil, and everyone there gave me a warm > welcoming reception. after a year of thefts, fights, > and people ripping each other off, it was really > heartwarming to come to a little family gathering > again and daance with newfound friends and a great > vibe. > > p.s. the deejays hooked it UP this tiem around. > everyone had a good set with some nice experimnenting > to keep it fun and interesting, and no one seemed to > hog the decks. congratulations. i hope y'all will have > more in the future and keep me in the loop! > thank you all! > > - evan > www.tastymilk /evan > In a message dated 11/12/2002 5:27:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, evancairo writes: i wanted to publicly thank wylie and all who made his party as wonderful as it was. i came, knowing only miss icycoil, and everyone there gave me a warm welcoming reception. after a year of thefts, fights, and people ripping each other off, it was really heartwarming to come to a little family gathering again and daance with newfound friends and a great vibe. p.s. the deejays hooked it UP this tiem around. everyone had a good set with some nice experimnenting to keep it fun and interesting, and no one seemed to hog the decks. congratulations. i hope y'all will have more in the future and keep me in the loop! thank you all! - evan www.tastymilk /evan 375 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:02:12 EST Subject: Fwd: NYC "Busts" From: Machinelf 376 Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:51:24 , omnitribe, phantasmusa Subject: Lunatarium review:11/9 :Dreams review From: "Jonathan Payer" If stomping around while smoking cigarettes to unrelenting pounding chaotic noise is your thing.... then you definitely should have been at the Lunatarium. From what I could see there was definitely a good crowd... the vibe was incredible people couldn't give a fuck what they were listening to... like an s&m party on ecstasy....or a bad dream you couldn't get enough of...Phantasm was good but the bad and the ugly flowed... I caught the tail end of the Omnitribe party.... it was like a breath of fresh dreams bathed in love and light only wish I'd left the lunatic dream earlier ... hope to be in your beautiful dream again Omnitribe... lucifersamsiamcat~love~harmony~inner/connection~radiance~..::>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://join.msn /?pagefeatures/virus 377 by mail.drexel (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2001.07.26.11.50.p9) Subject: best place to view??? Sender: nmf24 From: nmf24 anyone throwing a leonid party? http://www.cnn /2002/TECH/space/11/13/leonids.meteors/index.html 378 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:22:32 EST Subject: if you know cata email me From: Machinelf 379 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] if you know cata email me From: "Jason Sannachan" Jeff when I spoke to Cata I forgot to ask her if she will have turntables or just cd's do you know.???? Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:23 PM Subject: [NYC604] if you know cata email me 380 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:49:57 Subject: how about that party From: "krsnalotus" Jeffs crazy set plus that crazy cop at the end of the party man i got drunk ass good time i like house partys with trance heads and wasnt there a porn STAR there too? crazy shit omnitribe vibe. what happened in the morning after me and mayura and collen left anything more interesting? 381 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] how about that party From: "Jason Sannachan" The party was pretty cool apart from the loud copper at the end of it very nice to come play there thanks to Cata!!!!! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: krsnalotus [krsnalotus ] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: [NYC604] how about that party Jeffs crazy set plus that crazy cop at the end of the party man i got drunk ass good time i like house partys with trance heads and wasnt there a porn STAR there too? crazy shit omnitribe vibe. what happened in the morning after me and mayura and collen left anything more interesting? 382 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] how about that party From: "nan" And I could just kick myself for having missed it. Arrrgggghhhhh!! -- --- Original Message ----- From: "krsnalotus" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: [NC604] how about that party > Jeffs crazy set plus that crazy cop at the e nd of the party > man i got drunk ass > good time i like house partys with trance heads and wasnt there a > porn STAR there too? > crazy shit omnitri be vibe. > what happened in the morning after me and mayura and collen left > anything more interesting? > > no event spam > > NYC604- > > And I could just kick myself for having missed it. Arrrgggghhhhh!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "krsnalotus" krsnalotus > grou ps > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12: 49 PM Subject: [NYC 604] how about that party > Jeffs crazy set plus that crazy cop at the end of the party> m an i got drunk ass> good time i like house partys with trance heads and wasnt there a > porn STAR there too?> crazy shit omnitr ibe vibe.> what happened in the morning after me and mayura and col len left > anything more interesting?> > > --- 383 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] how about that party From: "Jason Sannachan" Was very nice party although quiet at points due to the untimely visits of the local constabulary But apart from that was very cool to come play there. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: nan [nan at hipchix] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] how about that party And I could just kick myself for having missed it. Arrrgggghhhhh!! ----- Original Message --From: "krsnalotus" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: [NYC604] how about that party > Jeffs crazy set plus that crazy cop at the end of the party > man i got drunk ass > good time i like house partys with trance heads and wasnt there a > porn STAR there too? > crazy shit omnitribe vibe. > what happened in the morning after me and mayura and collen left > anything more interesting? > > > > > > Lesh Was very nice party although quiet at points due to the untimely visits of t he local constabulary But apart from that was very cool to come play there. Signature" Jason Sannachan Stu dio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: nan [nan at hipchix] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:28 PM at yahoogroups Subject: Re: [NYC604] how about that party And I could just kic k myself for having missed it. Arrr gggghhhhh!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "krsna lotus" krsnalotus at a ol > at yah oogroups > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: [NYC604] how about t hat party > Jeffs crazy set plus that crazy cop at the end of the party > man i got drunk ass > good time i like house partys with trance heads and wasnt there a > porn STAR there too? > crazy shit omnitribe vibe. > what happened in the morning after me and mayura and collen left > anything more interesting? > > > To > > http://docs.yahoo /in fo/terms/ > No lie Your use o f 384 To: Subject: Re: Start the Light*Ship~.The low down facts, yawl........ From: "scott" >How do you expect anyone to achieve enlightenenment if you forbid them >from opening certain doors in their psyche. >PEOPLE TAKE DRUGS AND FREAK THE FUCK OUT, if they are in their right >minds. THAT"S WHAT YOUR SUPPOSED TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Enough of the Puritaninnical shaming that's gone on, oh so and so >freaked out they need to be banned from parties. That is total bullshit. well, yes and no. if one is inclined to freak the fuck out, that should happen in an environment conducive to freaking the fuck out. chances are such an environment is not to be found at a party, especially with all the negative legal and media attention already on the scene. not to mention other folks might not want to be on the receiving end of someone else's freak-out. (i'm just speaking generally here and from personal experience; the message i'm quoting seems to refer to specific incident(s) that i wasn't at :)) -scott 385 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:41:30 EST Subject: morocco rumour From: Machinelf there may be another mass trance festival there - anybody know anything? there may be another mass trance festival there - anybody know anything? 386 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:44:32 EST Subject: welcome lizzie From: Machinelf Lizcamps just joined our community. she runs the lizzie list. she was at wylie's after halloween on friday. metal mark trancellor ogg mod cleans her fish tank. welcome lizzie! lizc at thinkwaremedia Lizcamps just joined our community. she runs the lizzie list. she was at wylie's after halloween on friday. metal mark trancellor ogg mod cleans her fish tank. welcome lizzie! lizc at thinkwaremedia 387 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:56:27 Subject: what u use on those Mackie? From: "art" Hey Jeff, what amplifiers are u using for those Mackies ? Art 388 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:51:44 Subject: Re: what u use on those Mackie? From: "art" never mind,i think they are internally tri-amped. --- In NYC604 at y..., "art" wrote: > Hey Jeff, what amplifiers are u using for those Mackies ? > > Art 389 Subject: RE: [NYC604] how about that party From: Kakulja-Teleomorph the party was superfun this weekend, people were there all the way through Sunday night! thanks to djs and psychedelic family for providing a very intimate vibe. _,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,_ `'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'` Interdimensional devices; levitating, spinning, crawling and sliding. Linking, dividing, harmonizing and synergizing qualities, forms, waves and realities. Trans-technological singularities of temporal matrices, hyper-functional crystalline mathematic fractal baby gizmos of light, color and sound, busy, busy, busy. ~~~~~ "Such stuff as Dreams are made of" ~~~~~ 390 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:02:37 Subject: Re: morocco rumour From: "Lesh" > there may be another mass trance festival there - anybody know anything? 31/12-3/01 - Morocco 2003 - Morocco Free trance festival. Donations will be asked. Line up Confirmed: Om Narayanan (Eastern Front - pl) Benji Shakti (Earthship maya 2012) Yanzan (d-Hamburg) Steve & Djane (Portugal & UK) T.B.C Zoo-B (is) Nadi (is) Jobbo (dk) Paraphernalien (UK) Vek (UK) Leila (UK) Lo Mid (D-Klangbilderzeuger) XV Kilist & Rocco (CH) Betty (Nl) Taj Mahal (Fr) Gill (Fr) Brousse (CH) Gnawia (Morocco) Other suggestions welcome. Ambient Confirmed: Om Narayanan (Eastern Front - Pl) Ben Shakti (Earthship maya 2012-Eu) Yanzan (D-Hamburg) Steve & Djane (Portugal & UK) Other suggestions welcome. T.B.C. Ovni (UK) Other suggestions welcome More info: http://www.moorocco 391 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:56:47 EST Subject: what's goin on NYE? From: Machinelf In a message dated 11/21/2002 1:35:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, SafetyDance-accept-4xV8CcWWUfL_Wghl writes: > FROM: marriagrace > DATE: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:33:16 > SUBJECT: what's goin on NYE? > > I know there's some events goin on in various countries on > New Years Eve, but unfortunately I cannot go to any other > countries, actually I'll be right here in the U.S. of A. > probably be in New York. Does anyone know any worthwhile > events going on in New York Dec. 31 2002-Jan. 1 2003? > In a message dated 11/21/2002 1:35:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, SafetyDance-accept-4xV8CcWWUfL_Wghl writes: FROM: marriagrace DATE: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:33:16 SUBJECT: what's goin on NYE? I know there's some events goin on in various countries on New Years Eve, but unfortunately I cannot go to any other countries, actually I'll be right here in the U.S. of A. probably be in New York. Does anyone know any worthwhile events going on in New York Dec. 31 2002-Jan. 1 2003? 392 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:54:58 EST Subject: welcome sekas dj from sweden To: sekas at intelligens.nu From: Machinelf we have a real full on swedish dj visiting NYC in january. he's on nyc604 now... i have sent his info to all the organizers, by January the DMT will have a sound system. welcome sekas! we have a real full on swedish dj visiting NYC in january. he's on nyc604 now... i have sent his info to all the organizers, by January the DMT will have a sound system. welcome sekas! 393 To: Subject: new drug From: "scott" 12. Newsbrief: Could It Possibly Be True Department -- New African High? http://www.drcnet.org/wol/264.html#lizarddung An Agence France Presse (AFP) report filed from Kano, Nigeria, this week takes the search for a new high to a new low. According to the usually reliable AFP, dopers in the Nigerian north are using lizard excrement to get off. The lizard dung is drunk in a cocktail with laundry detergent or in a tea, or smoked with tobacco or cannabis. "I no longer have to spend much money on drugs since I discovered the efficacy of lizard excrement," 28-year-old Kano resident Ado Kabir told AFP. "A lot of drug users are moving on to lizard excrement. It's easy to find and efficient in its effect," he said. "The effect is indeed exhilarating." Kano preferred his lizard dung in a drink mixed with water and a blue laundry detergent, he said. "When mixed with 'blue' in water, it produces a strong effect similar to the effect of drinking strong whisky to excess on a hot day. People who are too keen on their health boil the mixture and filter it before drinking. It has a potassium taste and is really good," he added. Another lizard dung fan interviewed by AFP, 20- year-old Bala Abu, an unemployed high school graduate, said he preferring smoking lizard turds. "I finished high school with no chance of going to college because my parents can't afford to pay," he complained. "I can't find a job given my low academic qualifications. Since I discovered the use of lizard dung I have found peace because whenever I smoke it with tobacco all my worries are gone." Nigerian anti-drug bureaucrats confirmed the practice and are not amused. "We have adopted a youth sensitization campaign on the radio and television to curb the menace," Katsina health commissioner Yusuf Suleiman told a meeting to mark World Anti- Drugs Week, AFP noted. Kabir and his fellow dung-dopers remain unworried, however. "I don't believe it is harmful, because nobody has fallen sick from its consumption," he told AFP. "As far as I'm concerned, it is safe and harmless." No word yet on DEA moves to make iguana crap a controlled substance. 394 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] new drug From: "Jason Sannachan" lol Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: scott [sstuart at csionline] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: [NYC604] new drug 12. Newsbrief: Could It Possibly Be True Department -- New African High? http://www.drcnet.org/wol/264.html#lizarddung An Agence France Presse (AFP) report filed from Kano, Nigeria, this week takes the search for a new high to a new low. According to the usually reliable AFP, dopers in the Nigerian north are using lizard excrement to get off. The lizard dung is drunk in a cocktail with laundry detergent or in a tea, or smoked with tobacco or cannabis. "I no longer have to spend much money on drugs since I discovered the efficacy of lizard excrement," 28-year-old Kano resident Ado Kabir told AFP. "A lot of drug users are moving on to lizard excrement. It's easy to find and efficient in its effect," he said. "The effect is indeed exhilarating." Kano preferred his lizard dung in a drink mixed with water and a blue laundry detergent, he said. "When mixed with 'blue' in water, it produces a strong effect similar to the effect of drinking strong whisky to excess on a hot day. People who are too keen on their health boil the mixture and filter it before drinking. It has a potassium taste and is really good," he added. Another lizard dung fan interviewed by AFP, 20- year-old Bala Abu, an unemployed high school graduate, said he preferring smoking lizard turds. "I finished high school with no chance of going to college because my parents can't afford to pay," he complained. "I can't find a job given my low academic qualifications. Since I discovered the use of lizard dung I have found peace because whenever I smoke it with tobacco all my worries are gone." Nigerian anti-drug bureaucrats confirmed the practice and are not amused. "We have adopted a youth sensitization campaign on the radio and television to curb the menace," Katsina health commissioner Yusuf Suleiman told a meeting to mark World Anti- Drugs Week, AFP noted. Kabir and his fellow dung-dopers remain unworried, however. "I don't believe it is harmful, because nobody has fallen sick from its consumption," he told AFP. "As far as I'm concerned, it is safe and harmless." No word yet on DEA moves to make iguana crap a controlled substance. 395 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:55:21 Subject: Re: what's goin on NYE? From: "krsnalotus" ---syththethic sadhus 396 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:44:29 EST Subject: Re: the gift of freedom~i!i~..::>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: jonpayer , beyondeverythingnow, bhappylove, charlienyc , dantao at erols, dragontribe, edelbecque , gabanna69, jahn2001 , Krsnalotus , machinelf at brainmachines, matyas at mysticfire, nan at hipchix, omnitribe, poojamunshi , SingerBA99 , NYC604, ben at lightomatic From: Machinelf your "TO:" list is growing unwieldy. As in, people's individual addresses are being transmited and that's ultimately to be avoided. I recommend starting a yahoogroup and inviting everyone to join. your "TO:" list is growing unwieldy. As in, people's individual addresses are being transmited and that's ultimately to be avoided. I recommend starting a yahoogroup and inviting everyone to join. 397 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:46:35 CET Subject: 2 djs heading for NYC From: dj sekas - STP Reply-To: "dj sekas - STP" Me and a friend is comming over to the states, heading for NY around the 16th of January, staying until the end of month. We are both international dj, that have done several gigs in Israel, Hungary, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and so on, but none of us has ever been to NY and thats why werr going.. People running events around these dates now have a good shot at having us over.. We can spin for free if its freepartys, but on more commercial partys we work somthing out.. If your interested in knowing more (no obligations ofcoz) goto: http://www.intelligens.nu/usa/ and submit your email, and we will post you a more detailed mail with links to pictures/video/flyers and much much more.. Sincerely, Dj Sekas (STP[S]/Good Karma[IL]) S T P - Scandinavian Trance Promotion - http://intelligens.nu Jonas Andersson aka dj Sekas - STP Founder - email: sekas at linux.nu UIN: 76427690 - MSN: xecaz - Dalnet: #techno.se Bookings: Sweden: 46-733-142081 - Israel: 97-255566021 398 To: jonpayer Subject: Re: [DRAGONTRIBE] nyc604 is a censored moderated site From: Machinelf jonathan, you are FREE to start your own list for your own personal soapbox of personal observations. your emails stray *so* far from the core mission of the group that i set your personal settings to moderated. everything you personally send is moderated. If it lacks the slightest connection to trance then it doesn't go through. If it amounts to personal attacks it won't go through. If it was a couple emails that are blazingly off topic it's OK but when there is an almost daily barrage of off topic content then somthing has to give As John Stuart Mill the original Vulcan says "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" >ubj: [DRAGONTRIBE] nyc604 is a censored moderated site 399 Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:41:06 To: beyondeverythingnow, bhappylove, charlienyc , dantao at erols, dragontribe, edelbecque , gabanna69, jahn2001 , Krsnalotus , machinelf at brainmachines, matyas at mysticfire, nan at hipchix, omnitribe, poojamunshi , singerba99 , NYC604, Machinelf, ben at lightomatic Subject: the gift of freedom~i!i~..::>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jonathan Payer" 11-22-2002 today is my eleventieth birthday and as it is the tradition for every elf to give a present on their birthday before or rather than receiving any;so i have decided to give everyone the gift of freedom from the Machine... well, some may be asking how i would propose to do that?? as sort of a crude analogy let us consider the game we've all played as children... in this game there is a sort of base andthe first one reaching it hollers "Olly Olly home free...:" whereby and wherefore etc etc.. this person becomes immune to the rules of the gamearound them... but, you say that's just a game and when your parents call you for dinner its all over... back in the machine. yes and no. You see, you could simply walk away into the woods and eat berries... and then of course the machinery would come looking for you... ok its a crude analogy...your parents only have best intentions for you. the machine of course and machine(s)elf is at once your guardian and liberator and being a former NexusMachine Self myElfi am within my rights & duties etc to pull the plug... there seems to be some clause of non-interference from the elf collective sorry Leonard... that only one 'of the machine' can liberatethe machine. And sincewe are all a hologram(each of us possesses no real independent existence) it is really each of you doing the liberating not me. this message is actually a tachyon delayed transmission... the former meme having traveled all over the hologram like an event wave sometime ago... so as you are reading this you have already been liberated. the machine yousee all around you is a residual hologram... one which will echo for eternity and it is very real, in that,like a video game, you could pour all your awareness and energy into it for ever-almost and live there within its confines... but but some of you may say Idon't want to be free and complain and kick to which I reply too bad...what's done is done. but what do i do now? well, you could always-stay within the confines of the now withering, holographic decay of your(s)elf for as long as the energy subsists... or accept your fate and continue on your journey.That's nearly entirely up to you or so itmay seem... anyhow expect cosmic repercussions like a cosmic birthing in progress. you will find many resources mysteriously becoming available if you channel energy in that direction... seek and you shall find. ~lucifersamsiamcat~love~harmony~inner/connection~radiance~amen~i!i~...::>>>>>>>>>> please distribute 400 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:56:31 EST Subject: NYC Freak Online Party now in full effect! Cc: omnitribe, dragontribe, safetydance, brainmachines From: Machinelf NYCFreaks is a general discussion for anything and everyth ing. Absolutely no moderation as everything is allowed, including li es, flames, off topic observations, navel gazing, personal sexual fantasie s, etc etc etc etc. It also carries every post rejected from NYC's v arious trance lists. All the usual suspects have been invited. The only t hing not allowed is the posting of other people's private parties and all egation or solitication of illegal activity, including but not limited to child porn, drugs, murder for hire, etc etc etc etc. No warnings will be given, if you're kicked from NYCfreaks it's time to start your very own e mail list. To join send an email to NYCFreaks . Full descr NYCFreaks is a general discussion fo r anything and everything. Absolutely no moderation as everything is allowed, including lies, flames, off topic observations, navel gazing, pers onal sexual fantasies, etc etc etc etc. It also carries every post re jected from NYC's various trance lists. All the usual suspects have been invited. The only thing not allowed is the posting of other p eople's private parties and allegation or solitication of illegal act ivity, including but not limited to child porn, drugs, murder for hire, etc etc etc etc. No warnings will be given, if you're kicked from NYCfre aks it's time to start your very own email list. To join send an email to NYCFreaks . Full description at http://groups.yahoo /group/NYCFreaks/ 401 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:20:47 EST Subject: how was synthetic sadhus? From: Machinelf i was out of town. does anyone have any thoughts? i was out of town. does anyone have any thoughts? 402 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:21:43 EST Subject: also - body temple? From: Machinelf did anybody go? how is the new space? did anybody go? how is the new space? 403 Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:24:11 Subject: Re: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? From: "Mike _" I thought it was pretty good. Lots of people, awesome decorations (haven't seen better yet). The Alien and Jean played great stuff too...very nice overall :) Mike Open your eyes >From: Machinelf >Reply- > >Subject: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? >Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:20:47 EST > >i was out of town. does anyone have any thoughts? STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* 404 Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:40:26 Subject: Re: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? From: "ninja kitten" SS rocked, incredible, I didn't stop dancing ... full on ... great sound ... amazing visuals ... great vibe. C. >From: Machinelf >Reply- > >Subject: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? >Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:20:47 EST > >i was out of town. does anyone have any thoughts? http://join.msn /?pagefeatures/featuredemail 405 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? From: "lisa R" heard that it was OK music good but I heard from several trance people that the monumental party was the burningman party the same night. I got astoun ding reviews. Half the people where running around naked etc. ( I can't vou ch for that, but you get the idea) ----- Original Message --From: ninja kitten Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:44 AM group s Subject: Re: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? SS rocked, incredi ble, I didn't stop dancing ... full on ... great sound ... amazing visual s ... great vibe. C. >From: Machinelf >Reply-at yaho ogroups > >Subject: [NYC604] how was syntheti c sadhus? >Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:20:47 EST > >i was out of town. does anyone have any thoughts? _____ ____ E*. http://join.msn /?page3Dfeatures/featuredemail onsor To ps n heard that it wa s OK music good but I heard from several trance people that themonume ntal party was the burningman party the same night. I got astoun ding reviews.Half the people where running around naked etc. ( I can'tvouch for that, but you get the idea) ----- Original Message ----- From: ninja kitten Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2 002 8:44 AM gr oups Subject: Re: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? SS rocked, incredible , I didn't stop dancing ... full on ... great sound ... amazing visuals ... great vibe.C.>From: IsmokeDMT at a ol >Reply->group s >Subject: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus?>Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:20:47 EST>>i was out of town. does anyon e have any thoughts?_ xplorer download : http://explorer.msn. com 406 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:49:40 EST Subject: RE: >brainGuys - that was *such* a hardcore techno party...perleeese... (not that t here is anything wrong with h/c Techno)I coulda sworn I went to nights that could have been described as dark-psy-trance at Twilo but then again I might have just been dancing to tunes in my own head :) :) :).Nick > > -----Original Message--> From: Machinelf [Ism okeDMT ] > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:14 PM > To: brainmachi nes > Subject: >brain > > My Groups | brainmachines Main Page > > p oint of history - TWILO never ever had psy-trance artists; sevn vath and > tsuyoshi don't count. but some of you may like sven vath, he was fuzzil y > in there at the dawn of modern psy-trance > > >maybe you want to post this > > -steve > .... > > Subject: Sven Vath & RIchie Hawtin > > MONDA Y > DJ > > WHAT: Tronic Treatment with Hawtin, Vath, and the Bugged Out ! Crew > WHEN: Mon 11.25 (10pm) > WHERE: Baktun & Filter 14 (418 & 432 W 14th St) > PRICE: $10 > >Guys - that was *such* a hardc ore techno party...perleeese... (not that there is anything wrong with h/c Techno)I coulda sworn I went to nights that could have been de scribed as dark-psy-trance at Twilo but then again I might have just been d ancing to tunes in my own head :) :) :).Nick -----Original Message--From: Machinelf [Ismok eDMT ] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:14 PM To : brainmachines Subject: >brain My Groups | brainmachines M ain Page point of history - TWIL O never ever had psy-trance artists; sevn vath and tsuyoshi don't count. but some of you may like sven vath, he was fuzzily in there at the dawn of modern psy-trance >maybe you want to post this -steve .... Subject: Sven Vath & RIchie Hawtin MONDAY DJ WHAT: Tronic Treatment with Hawtin, Vath, and the Bugged Out! Crew WHEN: Mon 11.25 (10pm) WHERE: Baktun & Filter 14 ( 418 & 432 W 14th St) PRICE: $10 407 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:57:27 EST Subject: sven/hawtin info from ben From: Machinelf >Well, I haven't heard Sven spin, but I know this--if you like banging minimal techno handled with great dexterity, Richie Hawtin still has the skills that pay the bills. I saw a great double bill at Twilo with my artist Juan Atkins a few years ago. Awesome evening....and he did it fo r me the second time I caught him too. You ever hear his early incarnat ion Fuse? "Substance Abuse" was an NME single of the week and deservedl y so. Not that I have all of Richie's stuff--far from it. I just lik e what I've heard. >Well, I haven't heard Sven spin, but I know t his--if you like banging minimal techno handled with great dexterity, Richi e Hawtin still has the skills that pay the bills. I saw a great doubl e bill at Twilo with my artist Juan Atkins a few years ago. Awesome even ing....and he did it for me the second time I caught him too. You ever h ear his early incarnation Fuse? "Substance Abuse" was an NME single of t he week and deservedly so. Not that I have all of Richie's stuff--far fr om it. I just like what I've heard. 408 Subject: Re: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? From: valerio zhyin running around naked is not cool.....i hate the naked ppl of burning man!!!!!!! put your damn clothes on!!!! hehehehehe lisa R wrote:heard that it was OK music good but I heard from several trance people that the monumental party wasthe burningman party the same night. I got astounding reviews. Half the people where running around naked etc.( I can't vouch for that, but you get the idea) ----- Original Message -----From: ninja kittenSent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:44 AMSubject: Re: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? SS rocked, incredible, I didn't stop dancing ... full on ... great sound ... amazing visuals ... great vibe. C. >From: Machinelf >Reply- > >Subject: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? >Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:20:47 EST > >i was out of town. does anyone have any thoughts? http://join.msn /?pagefeatures/featuredemail running around naked is not cool.....i hate the naked ppl of burning man!!!!!!! put your damn clothes on!!!! hehehehehe lisa R wrote: heard that it was OK music good but I heard from several trance people that themonumental party was the burningman party the same night. I got astounding reviews.Half the people where running around naked etc. ( I can'tvouch for that, but you get the idea) ----- Original Message --From: ninja kitten Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? 409 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? From: "lisa R" RED HOT PASSION BABY vs. COOL ELECTRIC BLUE VISIONS ("Will you take the red pill or the blue pill Neil") Hey, sometimes red wins................. - ---- Original Message --From: valerio zhyin Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] how was synt hetic sadhus? running around naked is not cool.....i hate the naked ppl of burning man!!!!!!! put your damn clothes on!!!! hehehehehe lisa re nko wrote: heard that it was OK music good but I hear d from several trance people that the monumental party was the burningman p arty the same night. I got astounding reviews. Half the people where runnin g around naked etc. ( I can't vouch for that, but you get the idea) -- --- Original Message --From: ninja kitten Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2 002 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] how was synthe tic sadhus? SS rocked, incredible, I didn't stop dancing ... full on ... great sound ... amazing visuals ... great vibe. C. >From: IsmokeD MT >Reply- > >S ubject: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? >Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:20:47 EST > >i was out of town. does anyone have any thoughts? __ Add photos to your mess http://join.msn /?page3Dfeatures /featuredemail To unsubs Get more fro Do you RED HOT PASSION BABY vs. COOLELECTRIC BLUE VISIONS ("Will you take the red pill or the blue pill Neil") Hey, sometimes red win s................. ----- Original Message ----- From: valerio zhyin Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 2:41 PM To: NYC604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? runnin g around naked is not cool.....i hate the naked ppl of burning man!!!!!!! put your damn clothes on!!!! hehehehehe lisa R wrote: heard that it was OK music good but I heard from several trance people that them onumental party was the burningman party the same night. I got a stounding reviews.Half the people where running around naked etc. ( I can'tvouch for that, but you get the idea) ----- Original Message ----- From: ninja kitten Sent: Tuesday, Novembe r 26, 2002 8:44 AM at yahoogroups Subject: Re: [ NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus? SS rocked, inc redible, I didn't stop dancing ... full on ... great sound ... amazing visuals ... great vibe.C.>From: Ismo keDMT >Reply->at yah oogroups >Subject: [NYC604] how was synthetic sadhus?>Date : Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:20:47 EST>>i was out of town. doe s anyone have any thoughts?_ _Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Ge amNYC604-unsubscri be 410 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben From: "Jason Sannachan" Ok now to bore you lt with the bio of Richie Hawtin .. Richie a.k.a Plastikman / Fuse is one of the top D.JS & producers of Techno in the world today alongside Juan Atkins,Jeff Mills & all Underground resistance crew he has been producing since 1989 with tracks Such as substance abuse, Spastik, Helikopter and a multitude of other tunes ranging from slow bleeps & minimalistic melodies to full on banging tracks that kick ass even at a trance party I know this from experience he is originally from Canada and now lives in Williamsburgh weconstantly plays at Matterform & Tronic treatment Monday nights & the infamous boat sessions always playing on the decks & a 909 there are not many d.js that can compare to his skills..blah blah blah I could go on & on P.s check out his loop lp 76 nice produced loops ready for any DJ to mix in and out of nice tekky trance trax. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben >Well, I haven't heard Sven spin, but I know this--if you like banging minimal techno handled with great dexterity, Richie Hawtin still has the skills that pay the bills. I saw a great double bill at Twilo with my artist Juan Atkins a few years ago. Awesome evening....and he did it for me the second time I caught him too. You ever hear his early incarnation Fuse? "Substance Abuse" was an NME single of the week and deservedly so. Not that I have all of Richie's stuff--far from it. I just like what I've heard. Lesh Ok now to bore you lt with the bio of Richie Hawtin .. Richie a.k.a Plastikman / Fuse is one of the top D.JS & producers of Techno in the world today alongside Juan Atk ins,Jeff Mills & all Underground resistance crew he has been producing since 1989 with tracks Such as substance abuse, Spastik, Helikopter and a multitude of other tu nes ranging from slow bleeps & minimalistic melodies to full on banging tracks that kick ass even at a trance party I know this from experience he is originally from Canada and now lives in Williamsburgh weconstantly play s at Matterform & Tronic treatment Monday nights & the infamous boa t sessions always playing on the decks & a 909 there are not many d.j&# 8217;s that can compare to his skills..b lah blah blah I could go on & on P.s check out his loop lp 76 nice produced loops ready for any DJ to mix in and out of n ice tekky trance trax. Signature" Jaso n Sannachan St udio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf [Ismoke DMT ] Sent: Tuesd ay, November 26, 2002 12:57 PM S ubject: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben >Well, I haven't hear d Sven spin, but I know this--if you like banging minimal techno handled wi th great dexterity, Richie Hawtin still has the skills that pay the b ills. I saw a great double bill at Twilo with my artist Juan Atkins a few years ago. Awesome evening....and he did it for me the second ti me I caught him too. You ever hear his early incarnation Fuse? "Substance Abuse" was an NME single of the week and deservedly so . Not that I have all of Richie's stuff--far from it. I just li ke what I've heard. No lies, no o send an e 411 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben From: "Jason Sannachan" Now do you wanna hear about Sven :O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben >Well, I haven't heard Sven spin, but I know this--if you like banging minimal techno handled with great dexterity, Richie Hawtin still has the skills that pay the bills. I saw a great double bill at Twilo with my artist Juan Atkins a few years ago. Awesome evening....and he did it for me the second time I caught him too. You ever hear his early incarnation Fuse? "Substance Abuse" was an NME single of the week and deservedly so. Not that I have all of Richie's stuff--far from it. I just like what I've heard. Lesh Now do you wan na hear about Sven :O) AUTOTEX TLIST -s Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Me ssage--From: IsmokeD MT [Machinelf] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben > ;Well, I haven't heard Sven spin, but I know this--if you like bangin g minimal techno handled with great dexterity, Richie Hawtin still ha s the skills that pay the bills. I saw a great double bill at Twilo w ith my artist Juan Atkins a few years ago. Awesome evening....and he did it for me the second time I caught him too. You ever hear his ear ly incarnation Fuse? "Substance Abuse" was an NME single of the week and deservedly so. Not that I have all of Richie's stuff--f ar from it. I just like what I've heard. To u NYC604-unsubscri be Terms of Ser vice. 412 mailhost.nyc1.globix (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with Organization: Globix Corp. Subject: Re: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben From: Joseph McFee yes please! ;) Joe Jason Sannachan wrote: > Now do you wanna hear about Sven :O) > > Jason Sannachan > > Studio Distribution > > Chelsea Market > > 425 west 15th street > > suite 2r > > NY NY 10011 > > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > > Js at studiodistribution > > '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Machinelf > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:57 PM > > Subject: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben > > >Well, I haven't heard Sven spin, but I know this--if you like > banging minimal techno handled with great dexterity, Richie Hawtin > still has the skills that pay the bills. I saw a great double bill > at Twilo with my artist Juan Atkins a few years ago. Awesome > evening....and he did it for me the second time I caught him too. You > ever hear his early incarnation Fuse? "Substance Abuse" was an NME > single of the week and deservedly so. Not that I have all of Richie's > stuff--far from it. I just like what I've heard. > > > > > > > yes please! ;) Joe Jason Sannachan wrote: Now do you wanna hear about Sven :O) Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:57 PM To: NYC604 Subject: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben >Well, I haven't heard Sven spin, but I know this--if you like banging minimal techno handled with great dexterity, Richie Hawtin still has the skills that pay the bills. I saw a great double bill at Twilo with my artist Juan Atkins a few years ago. Awesome evening....and he did it for me the second time I caught him too. You ever hear his early incarnation Fuse? "Substance Abuse" was an NME single of the week and deservedly so. Not that I have all of Richie's stuff--far from it. I just like what I've heard. No To Your 413 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:02:26 EST Subject: Noma coming? From: Machinelf heard a rumor that the russians may be bringing him heard a rumor that the russians may be bringing him 414 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:22:54 EST Subject: burning man decompression reviews From: Machinelf heard the doors closed at 2pm due to so many people from amelia - "best pa rty i've ever been to" from alicia - >you friggin miss the burning man par ty.. YOU SUCK!!!!Good ass party.. best party in the area in a LONG TIME!!! heard the doors closed at 2pm due to so many peopl e from amelia - "best party i've ever been to" from alici a - >you friggin miss the burning man party.. YOU SUCK!!!! Good ass pa rty.. best party in the area in a LONG TIME!!! 415 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben From: "Jason Sannachan" Ok you want it you got it.............SVEN VATH............... Sven has been Djing & producing for 20 years starting off with dark metallic soundscapes & working up to his bone grinding stompa techno he is solely responsible for the success of Germanys ''COCOON'' label And has been releasing trax on various top labels in Germany including our very own K7. He is one of Belins most respected DJ'S able to keep you in trance state for 6 hour s solid during one of his set's they tend to start off kind of chill minimal techno slowly building to some solid progressie beats & The finale is normally 2 ? hours of straight 4 by 4 dush dush techno. Check out www.cocoon to listen to some sampling of his trax & mixes. Blah blah blah ..........again Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Joseph McFee [jmcfee at globix ] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben yes please! ;) Joe Jason Sannachan wrote: Now do you wanna hear about Sven :O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf [ Machinelf] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben >Well, I haven't heard Sven spin, but I know this--if you like banging minimal techno handled with great dexterity, Richie Hawtin still has the skills that pay the bills. I saw a great double bill at Twilo with my artist Juan Atkins a few years ago. Awesome evening....and he did it for me the second time I caught him too. You ever hear his early incarnation Fuse? "Substance Abuse" was an NME single of the week and deservedly so. Not that I have all of Richie's stuff--far from it. I just like what I've heard. Lesh Lesh Lesh Ok you want it yo u got itR 30;..SVEN VATH̷ 0;. Sven has been Djin g & producing for 20 years starting off with dark metallic soundscapes & working up to his bone grinding stompa techno he is solely responsibl e for the success of Germanys ;COCOON label And has been releasi ng trax on various top labels in Germany including our very own K7. He is one of Belins mos t respected DJS able to keep you in trance state for 6 hour s solid during one of his sets they tend to start off kind of chill minimal techno slowly building to some solid progressie beats & The finale is normally 2 &frac1 2; hours of straight 4 by 4 dush dush techno. Check out www.cocoon to listen to some sampling of his trax & mixes. Blah blah blah ̷ 0;..again Signa ture" Jas on Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th stre et suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribut ion '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Joseph McFee [jmcfee at globi x ] Sent: Tuesday, No vember 26, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben yes please! ;) Joe Jason Sannacha n wrote: Now do yo u wanna hear about Sven :O) -s "E-mail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studi o Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message----- From : Machinelf Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:57 PM To: NYC604 Subject: [NYC604] sven/hawtin info from ben >Well, I haven't heard Sven spin, but I know this--if you like banging minima l techno handled with great dexterity, Richie Hawtin still has the sk ills that pay the bills. I saw a great double bill at Twilo with my a rtist Juan Atkins a few years ago. Awesome evening....and he did it f or me the second time I caught him too. You ever hear his early incar nation Fuse? "Substance Abuse" was an NME single of the wee k and deservedly so. Not that I have all of Richie's stuff--far from it. I just like what I've heard. --- No lies, no one wor from this gro up, send an e s --- No lies, no one from this th . am 416 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:53:13 EST Subject: another burning man decompression review From: Machinelf >Burning Man decompression was INCREDIBLE!!!!!!! Mark >Burning Man decompression was INCREDIBLE!!!!!!! Mark 417 Subject: Trippy Turkey Day To: From: "B, Nicholas" OK - so Turkey has Tryptophan which effects serotonin which effects mood . So I was thinking about cheese and nightmares - cos I know serotonin ca n effect / cause hallucinations / nightmares So I did a little digging a nd ... http://serendip.brynmawr/bb/neuro/neuro00/web3/Takahashi.html So there ya go if ya snort turkey ya gonna get real high...no mainlining thought thats just plain dangerous. :) Nick OK - so Turkey has Tryptophan which effects serotonin w hich effects mood. So I was thinking about cheese and nightmares - cos I kno w serotonin can effect / cause hallucinations / nightmares So I did a littl e digging and ... http://serendip.brynmawr/bb/neuro/neuro00/web3/Takahas hi.html So there ya go if ya snort turkey ya gonna get real high...no mainl ining thought thats just plain dangerous. :) Nick 418 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 00:56:37 Subject: Re: how was synthetic sadhus? From: "B ... > Brian" i thought this installment of sadhus was good... i think i was expecting a little more from alien project than what i got. go figure from such a commercial party ;) it didnt blow me away like last month's oforia / vibrapshere party though ... that party was off the hook. i had trouble deciding which room to B in.. as both the chill out room (wasnt that chill :) and the main floor were pulling at me, but i ended up in the main room where it was warm :) the deco was really nice...it had a whole underwater theme to it.. i remember the beat breaking down once to the sound of ocean waves.. i thought that was a nice touch... commense self destruct. good party i would rate it.. 7.5/10. as the valour of this party wore off after a couple days... while say the dec.1st 2001 party is still RAGING in the back of my b brain. i brought some non trance people to this party and they loved it!! and are going to come back for the nye party with me :) 419 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:46:04 Subject: How was the Spectra party on Friday? From: "Machinelf" i managed to send out the location change on brainmachines. i heard it closed around 3 or so and many went to pete's. also i heard the madagascar institute party on saturday got busted by the po-lice. you know that in a last minute situation if anybody really needs to get info on a TRANCE GATHERING of any shape or form and it hasn't been out on any of the lists - esp. if it's a last minute change or afterparty - send it out on this list because with the exception of 3 of you out of over 90 it is 100% unmoderated. I just want to make sure that every fucking party has a review and that's where you come in OK? (just make sure it is a TRANCE gathering and not anything else, and hasn't been posted ad infinitum.) 420 Subject: Re:How was the Spectra party on Friday? From: "Konstantin Beschastnykh" The Spectra got canceled on friday - moved on Saturday to 'Wolf's Leg Bar'? on 41 and 9,- Gavin played with some phunk-ass psycho-rocky mind-twisting team for couple of hours, it was pretty kewl, some people showed up. I guess to the that point on Saturday evening everybody were too weared out to have a full-on party, but it's been a nice chill-out. Some people went to Brooklyn despite obvious signs that the party will get busted, and as far as I understand ditched the option to go Mish's place to continue. So far so good. --k 421 by mail.drexel (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2001.07.26.11.50.p9) Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re:How was the Spectra party on Friday? Sender: nmf24 To: Konstantin Beschastnykh, NYC604 From: nmf24 Next time fire up the generator and hit the forest, who cares if its winter, ehhhh? I actually had no idea anything was going on this weekend, i'm one those people that needs to go to work to check their e-mail. > Original Message From Konstantin Beschastnykh >The Spectra got canceled on friday - moved on Saturday to 'Wolf's Leg Bar'? >on 41 and 9,- Gavin played with some phunk-ass psycho-rocky mind-twisting >team for couple of hours, it was pretty kewl, some people showed up. >I guess to the that point on Saturday evening everybody were too weared out >to have a full-on party, but it's been a nice chill-out. >Some people went to Brooklyn despite obvious signs that the party will get >busted, and as far as I understand ditched the option to go Mish's place to >continue. So far so good. > --k > >> 422 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:16:56 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re:How was the Spectra party on Friday? From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/2/2002 1:15:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, nmf24 at drexel writes: > > I actually had no idea anything was going on this weekend, i'm one those > people that needs to go to work to check their e-mail. yeah it has also come to my attention that outside of NYC people spend their money not on computers but cars! In a message dated 12/2/2002 1:15:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, nmf24 at drexel writes: I actually had no idea anything was going on this weekend, i'm one those people that needs to go to work to check their e-mail. yeah it has also come to my attention that outside of NYC people spend their money not on computers but cars! 423 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:18:31 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] How was the Spectra party on Friday? From: oggmod13 In a message dated 12/2/2002 9:47:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, Machinelf writes: > also i heard the madagascar institute party on saturday got busted > by the po-lice Madagascar was cool but then the cops got all pissy over the lack of Cabaret License, cheeseballs! Whats up Jeff! Mark In a message dated 12/2/2002 9:47:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, Machinelf writes: also i heard the madagascar institute party on saturday got busted by the po-lice Madagascar was cool but then the cops got all pissy over the lack of Cabaret License, cheeseballs! Whats up Jeff! Mark 424 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:17:27 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] How was the Spectra party on Friday? From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/2/2002 2:19:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, oggmod13 writes: > Madagascar was cool but then the cops got all pissy over the lack of Cabaret > License, cheeseballs! > Whats up Jeff! > Mark and if they come in and we AREN'T dancing they assume we are too fucked up. SOLUTION: Alla you unemployed peeps. Become NYPD!! In a message dated 12/2/2002 2:19:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, oggmod13 writes: Madagascar was cool but then the cops got all pissy over the lack of Cabaret License, cheeseballs! Whats up Jeff! Mark and if they come in and we AREN'T dancing they assume we are too fucked up. SOLUTION: Alla you unemployed peeps. Become NYPD!! 425 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:16:12 Subject: moderation From: "krsnalotus" Hey which three are moderated, or Should i say underarated. Im x-rated. Any way kinda boring weekend. Is new years still on Gille said it might not happen? Much love to all Kaml 426 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:32:09 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] moderation From: Machinelf you really want to know? kamal because of your 1 word replies and jonathan payer because too off topic. that just means that i have to approve every post you guys send out. you can talk all you want just as long as it's remotely about trance. occasionally you can talk off topic, just don't make a habit of it. you really want to know? kamal because of your 1 word replies and jonathan payer because too off topic. that just means that i have to approve every post you guys send out. you can talk all you want just as long as it's remotely about trance. occasionally you can talk off topic, just don't make a habit of it. 427 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:46:34 EST Subject: Fwd: [omnitribe] expect Noma in december From: Machinelf 428 To: "Jacobs_Ladder_Events Moderator", "omnitribe", "NYC604 Moderator", "dragontribe" Subject: Wilde From: "lisa R" " I think I am rather more than a Socialist, I am Somthing of an Anarchi st, I believe....." " Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read hist ory, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion" Oscar Wilde (1865-1900)Get more from the Web. FREE " I think I am r ather more than a Socialist, I am Somthing of an Anarchi st, I believe....." " Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who ha s read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion" Oscar Wil de (1865-1900)Get more from 429 Subject: Some tunes to start Fri December 20th To: omnitribe-news, omnitribe, SafetyDance, DRAGONTRIBE, goa-boston, NYC604 From: omni tribe dorogie druzia! As you probably know the next Omni Tribe event is both live reggae concert (7pm - 12am) and 2 floors of trance party with live NOMA and much more... (flyer coming soon)... So as a preview for Caribase performance, here is the link where you can listen to some tunes: http://www.ycrop /events/caribace.html till soon, omni tribe crew 430 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:23:49 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Some tunes to start Fri December 20th From: Machinelf wow vitalik THat is original!! cooool wow vitalik THat is original!! cooool 431 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:01:02 Subject: Hey New Yeras Update!!!!!!!!!!! From: "krsnalotus" All right folks here it is right from the mouth of the Drogon(lotus). I here that there may not be a New Years party from Syhthethic Sadus, which sucks cuz Gilles Partys are the best. On another tip I hear that there is going to be a tsunami party on new years as well, no furthere info is available just yet. Wonder if wylie is gonna do it I talked to him he says he has new roomates so it might not happen. It would be nice if we could have a free party? somewheres? but any say aded info would be cool. peace and love to all god bless Kamal 432 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:27:15 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey New Yeras Update!!!!!!!!!!! From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/4/2002 4:25:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: > All right folks here it is right from the mouth of the Drogon(lotus). > I here that there may not be a New Years party from Syhthethic Sadus, > which sucks cuz Gilles Partys are the best. > On another tip I hear that there is going to be a tsunami party on > new years as well, no furthere info is available just yet. Wonder if > wylie is gonna do it I talked to him he says he has new roomates so > it might not happen. > It would be nice if we could have a free party? somewheres? > but any say aded info would be cool. > peace and love to all > god bless > Kamal fuck free! it's not a party unless the organizers lose money :-P In a message dated 12/4/2002 4:25:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: All right folks here it is right from the mouth of the Drogon(lotus). I here that there may not be a New Years party from Syhthethic Sadus, which sucks cuz Gilles Partys are the best. On another tip I hear that there is going to be a tsunami party on new years as well, no furthere info is available just yet. Wonder if wylie is gonna do it I talked to him he says he has new roomates so it might not happen. It would be nice if we could have a free party? somewheres? but any say aded info would be cool. peace and love to all god bless Kamal fuck free! it's not a party unless the organizers lose money :-P 433 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:34:59 EST Subject: double trouble new years From: Machinelf actually NYEve will be double trouble with House of France teaming with Toon-ami. Xenomorph, Double Dragon, and some israeli act i didn't recog to sum up, we should def get wylie in line for new years. it was fun last year when frank e and the sun projectors all went to wylies to party and get thrashed actually NYEve will be double trouble with House of France teaming with Toon-ami. Xenomorph, Double Dragon, and some israeli act i didn't recog to sum up, we should def get wylie in line for new years. it was fun last year when frank e and the sun projectors all went to wylies to party and get thrashed 434 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:55:49 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] double trouble new years From: Machinelf too trance-late for the tragically dis-hipped, "House of Trance and Tsunami will be bringing you Xenomorph, Double Dragon, and an Israeli act." In a message dated 12/4/2002 4:37:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, Machinelf writes: > actually NYEve will be double trouble with House of France teaming with > Toon-ami. Xenomorph, Double Dragon, and some israeli act i didn't recog > > to sum up, we should def get wylie in line for new years. it was fun last > year when frank e and the sun projectors all went to wylies to party and > get thrashed too trance-late for the tragically dis-hipped, "House of Trance and Tsunami will be bringing you Xenomorph, Double Dragon, and an Israeli act." In a message dated 12/4/2002 4:37:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, Machinelf writes: actually NYEve will be double trouble with House of France teaming with Toon-ami. Xenomorph, Double Dragon, and some israeli act i didn't recog to sum up, we should def get wylie in line for new years. it was fun last year when frank e and the sun projectors all went to wylies to party and get thrashed 435 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:05:03 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] double trouble new years From: Machinelf so that's all the new years you're gonna git you SUCKAS. don't even complain, cuz yer justa buncha spoiled rotten consumers, and if you don't like it let's jes see you try to do somthin' else! and after its done yer gonna ge comin back up with an empty plate beggin' for more glop pleading "Please Sir, Can I Have Some More??" ...uh... waitaminute that includes me... so that's all the new years you're gonna git you SUCKAS. don't even complain, cuz yer justa buncha spoiled rotten consumers, and if you don't like it let's jes see you try to do somthin' else! and after its done yer gonna ge comin back up with an empty plate beggin' for more glop pleading "Please Sir, Can I Have Some More??" ...uh... waitaminute that includes me... 436 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] double trouble new years From: "Jessica" > so that's all the new years you're gonna git you SUCKAS. don't even > complain, cuz yer justa buncha spoiled rotten consumers, and if you don't > like it let's jes see you try to do somthin' else! and after its done yer > gonna ge comin back up with an empty plate beggin' for more glop mmmmm....glop 437 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:11:59 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] double trouble new years From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/4/2002 5:10:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: > mmmmm....glop In a message dated 12/4/2002 5:10:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: mmmmm....glop 438 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:12:19 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] double trouble new years From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/4/2002 5:10:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: > mmmmm....glop wow jess i didn't know you had a web site In a message dated 12/4/2002 5:10:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: mmmmm....glop wow jess i didn't know you had a web site 439 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Hey New Yeras Update!!!!!!!!!!! From: "Jason Sannachan" Guys here it is plain & simple Gilles is not I repeat not doing a new year party he is going home to have a break for a month or two Not sure if you had forgotten Kamal but Gilles long time girlfriend died a short time ago and he continued to do parties for people just like you now he needs some real time to chill before he has a breakdown. I also seem to remember a certain (actually a lot) of people wishing to boycott Tsunami for fucking them over so why in our Ever decreasing circle do you wish to drag him back into the mix. Kamal you make me laugh seriously mate. Please note to all apart from Kamal that there is no sarcasm intended in this mail. There will be a New Years party so everything is cool. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey New Yeras Update!!!!!!!!!!! In a message dated 12/4/2002 4:25:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: All right folks here it is right from the mouth of the Drogon(lotus). I here that there may not be a New Years party from Syhthethic Sadus, which sucks cuz Gilles Partys are the best. On another tip I hear that there is going to be a tsunami party on new years as well, no furthere info is available just yet. Wonder if wylie is gonna do it I talked to him he says he has new roomates so it might not happen. It would be nice if we could have a free party? somewheres? but any say aded info would be cool. peace and love to all god bless Kamal fuck free! it's not a party unless the organizers lose money :-P Lesh Guys here it is plain & simple Gilles is not I repeat not doing a new year party he is going home to have a break for a month or two Not sure if you had forgotten Kamal but Gilles long time girlfriend died a short time ago and he continued to do parties for p eople just like you now he needs some real time to chill before he has a br eakdown. I also seem t o remember a certain (actually a lot) of people wishing to boycott Tsunami for fucking them over so why in our Ever decreasi ng circle do you wish to drag him back into the mix. Kamal you make me laugh seriously mate. Please note to all apart from Kamal that there is no sarcasm intended in this mail. There will be a New Years party so everything is cool. quot;E-mail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-- From: Machinelf [mai lto:Machinelf] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey New Yeras Update!!!!!!!!!!! In a mess age dated 12/4/2002 4:25:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus wr ites: All right folks here it is right from t he mouth of the Drogon(lotus). I here that there may not be a New Years party from Syhthethic Sadus, which sucks cuz Gilles Partys are the be st. On another tip I hear that there is going to be a tsunami pa rty on new years as well, no furthere info is available just yet . Wonder if wylie is gonna do it I talked to him he says he has new ro omates so it might not happen. It would be nice if we could have a free party? somewheres? but any say aded info would be cool. peace and love to all god bless Kamal fuck free! it's not a party unless the organizers lose m oney :-P No lies, no o send an e 440 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:41:59 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey New Yeras Update!!!!!!!!!!! From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/4/2002 5:37:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writes: > Please note to all apart from Kamal that there is no sarcasm intended in > this mail. > > There will be a New Years party so everything is cool. > wait but kamal is probly gonna spin for tsunami right kamal? In a message dated 12/4/2002 5:37:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writes: Please note to all apart from Kamal that there is no sarcasm intended in this mail. There will be a New Years party so everything is cool. wait but kamal is probly gonna spin for tsunami right kamal? 441 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:45:38 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Hey New Yeras Update!!!!!!!!!!! From: krsnalotus ok assholes ok assholes 442 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:13:42 Subject: Re: Hey New Yeras Update!!!!!!!!!!! From: "B ... > Brian" > There will be a New Years party so everything is cool. well i for one hope there's an alternative to tsunami besides going to mexico... i was psyched about ths SS party, b/c unlike tsunami gilles provides a peace of mind... keeping my fingers crossed that somthing besides tsunami is going on... 443 To: Subject: [NYC604] Interchill djs looking for NYC gig From: "brigittebardo" greets fellow lysurgeons, 2 high quality Interchill djs from Montreal (gordon and neerav) are seeking a gig here in NYC. they both do uptempo (neerav more on the psytrance tip), and both play sublime downtempo. this is an opportunity not to be missed, as Interchill is top cat in this genre. send the word out, and if interested, please get back to me offlist... love to all, miss bardo 444 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:47:23 EST Subject: oh my god From: Machinelf go to http://www.synthetic-sadhus / go to http://www.synthetic-sadhus / 445 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:17:12 EST Subject: (no subject) From: Machinelf strom thrumond hits 100 and terence mckenna and bill hicks died early deaths i would say there is no justic but Albert Hoffman is still alive and leary and burroughs lived to ripe old age strom thrumond hits 100 and terence mckenna and bill hicks died early deaths i would say there is no justic but Albert Hoffman is still alive and leary and burroughs lived to ripe old age 446 by mail.drexel (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2001.07.26.11.50.p9) Subject: RE: [NYC604] oh my god Sender: nmf24 To: Machinelf, nyc604 From: nmf24 The letter was very dejected but somehow emboddied a truth. Trying to make money throwing underground parties is an impossible task, the little experience I have with organizing events left me worn down, slightly broker, but always put a smile on my face. I know a lot of people on this list that always show up for pretty much just for the love of it. Psy-trance is not an endagered species, we'll just have to keep meeting under some random bridge. Peace Neil > Original Message From Machinelf >go to http://www.synthetic-sadhus / 447 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:23:39 EST Subject: re: ss, anon From: Machinelf >I can't read anymore of this shit..I hate to be a bitch, but maybe th e low attendance can be due to booking it on the same day as the burning m an party.. HELLO!!!! That party was a blow-out! I was there and ther e were TONS of people there.. hell, people had to be turned away at the do or.. he made mention that this same date last year he had people.. great, wonderful.. Maybe because the Burning man party wasn't on the same weekend.. >I can't read anymore of this shit..I hate to be a bitch, but maybe the low attendance can be due to booking i t on the same day as the burning man party.. HELLO!!!! That party was a blow-out! I was there and there were TONS of people there.. hell, people had to be turned away at the door.. he made mention that this same date last year he had people.. great, won derful.. Maybe because the Burning man party wasn't on the same weekend.. 448 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:35:59 EST Subject: more on ss from 604 global list, anon From: Machinelf (if you wanna join the global 604 go to http://party/mailman/listinfo/604 From: "Boppity" To: goa at party Subject: Re: [604] NYC Synthetic Sa dhus bow out While it's unfortunate and sad that SS has decided to close it's doors I'd like to comment on a f ew of his statements... >>but I simply can not continue to sacrifice all m y energy and my love for >>gatherings that people chose not attend anymore . It has always baffled me that promoters of any genre of music, above or underground alike, seem to think they can profit from parties. I've had this conversation a hundred times already both on the lists and off, but you need to realize that parties are throwing away money. It's providin g a good time for people to share in for a little while. Regardless if you have a line-up of top world talent or just quality local performers it doesn't matter. Bringing in "big names" and going all out with ravish decors and such doesn't guarantee great turn out. It's unfortunate but it's reality. That doesn't mean the motivation behind great promoters i s a bad thing...not at all. If I had the money to throw away I would pr omote parties. I can't afford such efforts. Club nights aren't much better either when you see how shady club managers really are (much worse than promoters looking to make a buck). >>It is time to accept reality an d to accept that the trance culture did not >>prevail in New York City. J ust because SS and other party groups aren't making huge success doesn't m ean trance culture isn't alive and well anywhere. DIY events have always been the core strength for underground culture. I don't see how a part y of 50 people having a great time with minimal decor is any less successf ul than parties with 100's of people jamming in posh style. >>But today, while records shops are either closing, either refusing to >>distribute Tr ance any longer, It's never been a hot item to begin with. >>we have to l ook at reality and accept that the Psy-Trance in U.S.A is >>really in a de ad-end situation. It is what it is. There will always be trance heads a nd there will always be trance parties...regardless if it ever becomes pop ular or not. Those who "live" this music and culture simply move on and keep doing it. There are no set standards, there is no "scene". You either embrace the music and culture for what it means to you or you don' t. It's okay if it's not taking hold like so many people hoped it would . This music is the bottom of the underground as underground gets in th is country. Goa is frowned upon in Detroit like it's a disease. I wa s still able to have a 6-month weekly residency which had a nice core grou p of 20-30 peeps showing up each week. The club management wanted bigge r names and more techno/house. That doesn't mean Goa wasn't appreciated by that core 20-30 people. It simply means those who are into this hav e to make more of a personal effort to not only find and be a part of part ies, but to keep things "alive." Everyone loves to have an opinion on t his culture, but only about half of them want to do anything to keep it go ing. I see hordes of people wanting to be on guest lists so they don't have to pay and actually contribute to the so-called "scene" they just can 't live without. I see plenty of people only come to parties to score d rugs and take off as soon as their pockets are filled. At any given Goa party I've ever been to, it's that rare breed at 8am who have tranced out the entire night, who stay and help tear-down and clean up and show up ea rly at the next event to help set-up that are the "true tribe." DIY is how this culture and music evolved in the first place...it's how it will s urvive. >>no Americans while we are in America, they did not embrace our >>revendications, our dreams, our music... I realize he's just upset and b lowing off steam but there's no reason to suddenly turn racist attitudes t owards a country or a people just because his expectations where shattered by reality. >>It cost too much for a too small audience, in other words i t is a dead end >>! No, in other words he's apparently only been looking for profit from the beginning. I'm happy if 10 people show up as well a s when 1,000 show. To be able to even touch one person, to allow them a safe journey either on drugs or not, that's what makes it all worth it. >>the artist refused to play because of the lack of attendance, Well that speaks against the artists' egos not the American psy community. Sounds like these esteemed psy-gurus are just as capitalist as the Americans, eh ? >>The New York crowd is before all a club crowd, they are not interested in >>the underground, It amazes me that people don't realize that club c ulture IS underground. LOL >>There is such a lack of artistic motivati on, of spiritual communication... This statement alone makes me call into question his true motivations. He's obviously never partied with trance rs like TOUCH Samadhi, Gaian Mind or Sidetrakkt. The greatest goa exper iences of my life have been at events by these communities. Guess we mu st be doing somthing right... >>those artists that pretend to embrace and to represent the trance culture >>but that want to travel only in Busines s class, cry because they stay in >>200 $ a night hotels, are paid Thousan ds of dollars for a 2 hour set, make >>me rent thousands of $ of equipment they fake to use on stage, require to have as many hotel nights as they fe el for their "holidays" in New york, sometimes even asking me to pay for t heir nights out before or after the party...I mean it is NEVER enough, Ag ain, this falls on their egos and not the American psy culture. :) Wh y do you think DJs like me aren't very popular amongst our kin? I'll pl ay for free because I have a day job. I enjoy trancing people out. C all me a psychedelic top if you want, but the greatest pleasure for me is to be able to create a trance space and have people enter it. It's an a mazing form of communication, one without words only emotion. If that i sn't payment enough...people's motivation is in the wrong place. I don' t think it's wrong to get paid for your time and travel, but I don't see h ow it's justifiable either for a "large name" act to demand thousands of d ollars; especially since the big names I've seen have all had moments of m istakes, poor mixing and shitty performances. The worst Goa dj set I've yet to witness was Dino Psaras at Motor Lounge in Detroit last year...it was bad. And I'm sure he walked out of the gig with a pretty penny...an d yet Motor wasn't interested at all in bringing in any of the local DJs o r Live PA's who'd have done the same trance gig for hundreds of dollars le ss. >>York, let's keep all these magical nights and dawns alive in our mem ories These magical moments were going on before SS and they will continue to go on now. It's sad to see him shut down...but I don't think it's sur prising either. Love & Light, Jim (if you wanna join the global 604 go to http://party/mailman/listinf o/604 From: "Boppity" To: goa at party Subject: Re: [604] NYC Synthetic Sadhus bow out Date: Thu While it's unfortunate and sad that S S has decided to close it's doors I'd like to comment on a few of his statements... >>but I simply can not continue to sacrifice a ll my energy and my love for >>gatherings that people chose not attend anymore. It has always baffled me that promoters of any gen re of music, above or underground alike, seem to think they can profit from parties. I've had this conversation a hundred times already b oth on the lists and off, but you need to realize that parties are thr owing away money. It's providing a good time for people to share in for a little while. Regardless if you have a line-up of top world talent or just quality local performers it doesn't matter. Bringing in "big names" and going all out with ravish decors and such doesn't guarantee great turn out. It's unfortunate but it's reality. Tha t doesn't mean the motivation behind great promoters is a bad thing...not at all. If I had the money to throw away I would promote parties. I can't afford such efforts. Club nights aren't much better either when you see how shady club managers really are (much worse than prom oters looking to make a buck). >>It is time to accept r eality and to accept that the trance culture did not >>prevail i n New York City. Just because SS and other party groups aren't mak ing huge success doesn't mean trance culture isn't alive and well anyw here. DIY events have always been the core strength for underground culture. I don't see how a party of 50 people having a great time with minimal decor is any less successful than parties with 100's of p eople jamming in posh style. >>But today, while records shop s are either closing, either refusing to >>distribute Trance any longer, It's never been a hot item to begin with. >&g t;we have to look at reality and accept that the Psy-Trance in U.S.A is >>really in a dead-end situation. It is what it is. The re will always be trance heads and there will always be trance parties ...regardless if it ever becomes popular or not. Those who "live" t his music and culture simply move on and keep doing it. There are n o set standards, there is no "scene". You either embrace the music and culture for what it means to you or you don't. It's okay if it's not taking hold like so many people hoped it would. This music is the bottom of the underground as underground gets in this country. Goa is frowned upon in Detroit like it's a disease. I was still able to have a 6-month weekly residency which had a nice core group of 20-30 peeps showing up each week. The club management wanted bigger names and more techno/house. That doesn't mean Goa wasn't appreciated by that core 20-30 people. It simply means those who are into this ha ve to make more of a personal effort to not only find and be a part of parties, but to keep things "alive." Everyone loves to have an opi nion on this culture, but only about half of them want to do anything to keep it going. I see hordes of people wanting to be on guest lis ts so they don't have to pay and actually contribute to the so-called "scene" they just can't live without. I see plenty of people only come t o parties to score drugs and take off as soon as their pockets are fil led. At any given Goa party I've ever been to, it's that rare breed at 8am who have tranced out the entire night, who stay and help tear- down and clean up and show up early at the next event to help set-up t hat are the "true tribe." DIY is how this culture and music evolved in the first place...it's how it will survive. >>no Am ericans while we are in America, they did not embrace our >>reve ndications, our dreams, our music... I realize he's just upset and blowing off steam but there's no reason to suddenly turn racist attit udes towards a country or a people just because his expectations where shattered by reality. >>It cost too much for a too small au dience, in other words it is a dead end >>! No, in othe r words he's apparently only been looking for profit from the beginnin g. I'm happy if 10 people show up as well as when 1,000 show. To be able to even touch one person, to allow them a safe journey either on drugs or not, that's what makes it all worth it. >>the a rtist refused to play because of the lack of attendance, Well that speaks against the artists' egos not the American psy community. S ounds like these esteemed psy-gurus are just as capitalist as the Amer icans, eh? >>The New York crowd is before all a club crowd, they are not interested in >>the underground, It amazes me that people don't realize that club culture IS underground. LOL >>There is such a lack of artistic motivation, of spiritual communication... This statement alone makes me call into ques tion his true motivations. He's obviously never partied with trance rs like TOUCH Samadhi, Gaian Mind or Sidetrakkt. The greatest goa e xperiences of my life have been at events by these communities. Gue ss we must be doing somthing right... >>those artists that pretend to embrace and to represent the trance culture >>but tha t want to travel only in Business class, cry because they stay in > >200 $ a night hotels, are paid Thousands of dollars for a 2 hour set, m ake >>me rent thousands of $ of equipment they fake to use o n stage, require to have as many hotel nights as they feel for their " holidays" in New york, sometimes even asking me to pay for their nights out before or after the party...I mean it is NEVER enough, Again , this falls on their egos and not the American psy culture. :) Why do you think DJs like me aren't very popular amongst our kin? I'll p lay for free because I have a day job. I enjoy trancing people out. Call me a psychedelic top if you want, but the greatest pleasure f or me is to be able to create a trance space and have people enter it. It's an amazing form of communication, one without words only emot ion. If that isn't payment enough...people's motivation is in the w rong place. I don't think it's wrong to get paid for your time and travel, but I don't see how it's justifiable either for a "large name" act to demand thousands of dollars; especially since the big names I' ve seen have all had moments of mistakes, poor mixing and shitty perfo rmances. The worst Goa dj set I've yet to witness was Dino Psaras a t Motor Lounge in Detroit last year...it was bad. And I'm sure he w alked out of the gig with a pretty penny...and yet Motor wasn't intere sted at all in bringing in any of the local DJs or Live PA's who'd hav e done the same trance gig for hundreds of dollars less. >>ork, let's keep all these magical nights and dawns alive in our memories These magical moments were going on before SS and they will continue to go on now. It's sad to see him shut down...but I don't th ink it's surprising either. Love & Light, Jim 449 Subject: RE: [NYC604] (no subject) To: From: "B, Nicholas" well Bill Hicks wasn't really a huge suprise now was he? He's probably in Hell now sucking on Satans Cock. ;) -----Original Message-- From: Machinelf Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: [NYC604] (no subject) strom thrumond hits 100 and terence mckenna and bill hicks died early deaths i would say there is no justic but Albert Hoffman is still alive an d leary and burroughs lived to ripe old age NYC . Message well Bill Hicks wasn't really a huge suprise now was he? H e's probably in Hell now sucking on Satans Cock. ;) ---- -Original Message-----From: Machinelf [IsmokeD MT ] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 1:17 PMT o: NYC604Subject: [NYC604] (no subject )strom thrumond hits 100and terence mckenna and bill hicks died early deathsi would say there is no jus tic but Albert Hoffman is still alive and leary and burroughs lived to r ipe old spamTo to:NYC604- Groups i Te rms of Service. 450 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:19:26 EST Subject: Re: >brainhttp >I can't read anymore of this shit..I hate to be a bitch, but mayb e the low attendance can be due to booking it on the same day as the burni ng man party.. HELLO!!!! That party was a blow-out! I was there and there were TONS of people there.. hell, people had to be turned away at th e door.. he made mention that this same date last year he had peopl e.. great, wonderful.. Maybe because the Burning man party wasn't on the s ame weekend.. we need to sick lisa on the larry harvey oswald peop le http://homepage.mac /jeromepix/.Pictures/2002 >I c an't read anymore of this shit..I ha te to be a bitch, but maybe the low attendance can be due to booking it on the same day as the burning man party.. HELLO!!!! That party was a blow- out! I was there and there were TONS of people there.. hell, people had to be turned away at the door.. he made mention that this same date last year he had people.. great, wonderfu l.. Maybe because the Burning man party wasn't on the same weekend.. 451 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:01:33 EST Subject: more re: ss From: Machinelf >Sounds like someone is in a serious depression about the NYC Trance scene. > Yet maybe everyone has either left the U.S. or has converted to Bus hi's 4th > Riech. > > But I felt that the Alien Project party that night was decently attended. > 500 people in the old Ma rc Ballroom in Union Square was a great and > overcrowded time. Mayb e the Amazura spoiled him. It did seem for a time > at Amazura that the scene was on the verge of exploding. We all felt it > was breaki ng into the mainstream which scarred people (remember MTV showing > up). > > It is a combination of factors though. $35 ticket price is pretty steep > even once a month for most people. Also to find a way that the people in > the scene have connection through other means besides just sh owing up at > the party. After parties help people connect and be able to hang out. > > Also the factors you mentioned, 9/11, rampant unem ployment, NYPD > crackdowns, shortages of communion wafers, etc etc > > America is becoming tougher and tougher to be able to listen to music > without some corporate sponsor, or at least a major Beer brewery slapping a > logo on the flyer to give it "legitimacy" with the establishment. > > Strange dark times indeed!!!!!!!!!!! > >Sounds like someone is in a serious depression about the NYC Trance scene. Yet maybe everyone has either left the U.S. or has converted t o Bushi's 4th Riech.But I f elt that the Alien Project party that night was decently attended. 500 people in the old Marc Ballroom in Union Square was a great and overcr owded time. Maybe the Amazura spoiled him. It did seem for a ti me at Amazura that the scene was on the verge of exploding. We all fe lt it was breaking into the mainstream which scarred people (remember MTV s howing up).It is a combination of fact ors though. $35 ticket price is pretty steep even once a month for most people. Also to find a way that the people in the scene have connection through other means besides just showing up at the party. After parties help people connect and be able to hang out. Also the factors you mentioned, 9/11, rampant unemployment, NYPD crackdowns, shortages of c ommunion wafers, etc etcAmerica is bec oming tougher and tougher to be able to listen to music without some corpor ate sponsor, or at least a major Beer brewery slapping a logo on the flyer to give it "legitimacy" with the establishment.Strange dark times indeed!!!!!!!!!!! 452 Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 00:34:33 Subject: Re: oh my god From: "B ... > Brian" wow... just read the site. i understand the truth, which he speaks.. synethetic sadhus will be greatly missed. i still consider myself a newb to trance music... but sadhus parties are some of my favorite goa nyc memories... amazura! or better yet the roxy!! i think a lot of people werent coming to the parties because of the venue conditions at cinema.. which is unfortunate because those (besides the roxy) were really good trance parties... cinema had a kinda rocky start.. but things were starting to fall into place.. im REALLY glad i went to oforia / vibrapshere .... ah... you will be missed!... who would have know the alien project party was the last one? the last party was on the 11TH month, day 23 ... i do want to thank gilles for being a dream come true (best sound! artwork and artists... ) (mmm vibrapshere hope richard comes back that show was unreal... eek!) i know that the GMS phantasm party was slamming... but i have no idea how many people were there.. it's very very sad ... i hope that omnitribe or spectra sees this an an opportunity, it is :) .... 453 Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 01:22:26 Subject: Re: more on ss from 604 global list, anon From: "B ... > Brian" >>It is time to accept reality and to accept that the trance culture did not >>prevail in New York City. >I don't see how a party of 50 people having a great time with minimal decor is any less >successful than parties with 100's of people jamming in posh style. live acts? sound systems?? Venues? I do have to say that the outdoor area at the last sadhus party was spectacular!!! Some really good music / sets? I wish I stayed out there longer, but I was in appropriately dressed? >>we have to look at reality and accept that the Psy-Trance in U.S.A is >>really in a dead-end situation. there is a following? by those who love? >This music is the bottom of the underground as underground gets in this country. It is!! I?m American and trance was * hard * for me to find? >>the artist refused to play because of the lack of attendance, no, because tsunami?s parties have been horrible. People are fed up? I am. >The greatest goa experiences of my life have been at events by >these communities. Guess we must be doing somthing right... I?ve been meaning to check out gaian mind and see what philly has to offer, but just haven?t gotten around to it? I would love to find out that there?s a goa party or event or somthing going on ? must dance?. Looking forward to omnitribe 20!!! 7am til .... 8? woo hoo!! it's alive! a raggae band and live trance that's a really good idea... sounds delicious :) 454 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:00:10 EST Subject: more on ss from sf From: Machinelf the trance culture did not succeed in NY ? i mean what a long load of blami ng an entire society for one persons almost failures- who ever thought you were supposed to make money out of anything having to do with music needs to get over it. The scene in NY, SF and everywhere else in the world is the same: small, underground, LOUD . A few promoters everywhere try to sho ve trance into the mainstream and it aint gonna happen. You involve trhe w ord psychedelic in anything and a large and powerful group of morons are g oing to hate on you until you go away.- not that a good cl ub can't be a lot of fun but the failure of an event expecting upwards of 500 people ending means the scene is over? don't try to take us down wit h you the trance culture did not succeed in NY ? i mean wh at a long load of blaming an entire society for one persons almost failures - who ever thought you were supposed to make money out of anything having t o do with music needs to get over it. The scene in NY, SF and everywhere e lse in the world is the same: small, underground, LOUD . A few promoters ev erywhere try to shove trance into the mainstream and it aint gonna happen. You involve trhe word psychedelic in anything and a large and powerful grou p of morons are going to hate on you until you go away.- not that a good club can't be a lot of fun but the failure of an event expecting upwards of 500 people ending means the scene is over? don' t try to take us down with you 455 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:16:31 EST Subject: yet more intelligence on ss From: Machinelf I concur with your assessment about 9/11, bad timing of particular events , the local economy affecting even carefree students, not to mention virtu ally all the rest of us. I think he just hit a "bifurcation" point wher e he snapped. In a way, this is good for the music, though not him. We will return to smaller, more intimate parties like the Opium Den nig hts and the scene will revive itself. Everything cycles around--just lo ok at electroclash's retrostyle and the return of electro godfathers Soft Cell. As far as the independent movie scene in NYC I disagree w/ his o pinion strongly. Just open Timeout--every week there are three or fo ur new movies from Iran, Afghanistan, Japan, Brazil, Israel, Russia, etc. The Angelika, Quad, Village East, etc. are alive and hopefully well, as is several up town art houses like the one on Broadway and 64th? near Lin coln Center and the one on the East Side in the neighborhood of Bloomingda le's. I concur with your assessment about 9/11, bad timing of particular events, the local economy affecting even carefree students, not to mention virtually all the rest of us. I think he just h it a "bifurcation" point where he snapped. In a way, this is good for the music, though not him. We will return to smaller, more intimate par ties like the Opium Den nights and the scene will revive itself. Everyth ing cycles around--just look at electroclash's retrostyle and the return of electro godfathers Soft Cell. As far as the independent movie scene in NYC I disagree w/ his opinion strongly. Just open Timeout--eve ry week there are three or four new movies from Iran, Afghanistan, Japan , Brazil, Israel, Russia, etc. The Angelika, Quad, Village East, etc. ar e alive and hopefully well, as is several up town art houses like the one o n Broadway and 64th? near Lincoln Center and the one on the East Side in th e neighborhood of Bloomingdale's. 456 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] more on ss from sf From: "nan" Hey I agree %100. He should/could of: asked for everything, expected noth ing and be prepared for anything. It works for me. As for the undergroun d...I know for a fact it's still alive and very well. Take Halloween at Leo n's for example... Hehehhe. Cheers. n ----- Original Message ----- From: Machinelf Sent: Thursday, D ecember 05, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: [NYC604] more on ss from sf the tr ance culture did not succeed in NY ? i mean what a long load of blaming an entire society for one persons almost failures- who ever thought you were s upposed to make money out of anything having to do with music needs to get over it. The scene in NY, SF and everywhere else in the world is the same: small, underground, LOUD . A few promoters everywhere try to shove trance into the mainstream and it aint gonna happen. You involve trhe word psyched elic in anything and a large and powerful group of morons are going to hate on you until you go away.- not that a good club can't be a lot o f fun but the failure of an event expecting upwards of 500 people ending me ans the scene is over? don't try to take us down with you No l end an e Hey I agree %100. He shou ld/could of: asked for everything, expected noth ing and be prepared for anything. It works for me. As for the underground...I know for a fact it's still alive and very well. Take Halloween at Leon's for example... Hehehhe. Cheers. n ----- Original Message -- --- From: Machinelf Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: [NYC604] more on ss from sf the trance culture did not succeed i n NY ? i mean what a long load of blaming an entire society for one pers ons almost failures- who ever thought you were supposed to make money ou t of anything having to do with music needs to get over it. The scene in NY, SF and everywhere else in the world is the same: small, undergroun d, LOUD . A few promoters everywhere try to shove trance into the mainst ream and it aint gonna happen. You involve trhe word psychedelic in anyt hing and a large and powerful group of morons are going to hate on you u ntil you go away.- not that a good club c an't be a lot of fun but the failure of an event expecting upwards of 50 0 people ending means the scene is over?don't try to take us d replies, to:N Gro 457 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] more on ss from sf From: "Jason Sannachan" Do you think it will be possible for everyone to end this discussion now on Gilles failures since he started doing parties in NY He managed to make 28 events out of those only 4 were failures but unfortunately when you make large scale big budget parties It only takes one or two bad ones to leave you in several thousand dollars worth of debt. OF course some of you made valid points the trance culture here is not a dead cause Gilles just decided that if he was going to Do parties here they would be stuck in everyones head as long as they live. This he managed to do 24 out of 28 is pretty much a success in any promoters bookLeshNow I know everyone is disappointed in Gilles decision to quit SS but as I said before he just lost his soul mate and although he did not mention it in his farewell e-mail this is a major part of his reason to quit. I really dont want to go into detail about his personal life but I do know that trance is his life and so was his partner. Take away one part of that and you dont have the strength to keep going anymore. But I can tell you that in the New Year SS will be coming back after some desperately needed r & r to do smaller more intimate events where we do not have to feel the necessity to make sure we can cover a $25,000 payout on a party where after the event You are $12,000 poorer than when you made the event. OMNITRIBE,SPECTRA,SUBTLECHAOS,AND A FEW OTHERS WILL BE MAKING EVENTS ALL THRU 2003. Cheers and be happy Jason SubtleChaos Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: nan [nan at hipchix] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] more on ss from sf Hey I agree %100. He should/could of: asked for everything, expected nothing and be prepared for anything. It works for me. As for the underground...I know for a fact it's still alive and very well. Take Halloween at Leon's for example... Hehehhe. Cheers. n ----- Original Message --From: Machinelf Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: [NYC604] more on ss from sf the trance culture did not succeed in NY ? i mean what a long load of blaming an entire society for one persons almost failures- who ever thought you were supposed to make money out of anything having to do with music needs to get over it. The scene in NY, SF and everywhere else in the world is the same: small, underground, LOUD . A few promoters everywhere try to shove trance into the mainstream and it aint gonna happen. You involve trhe word psychedelic in anything and a large and powerful group of morons are going to hate on you until you go away.- not that a good club can't be a lot of fun but the failure of an event expecting upwards of 500 people ending means the scene is over? don't try to take us down with you Lesh Lesh Do you think it will be possible for everyone to end this discussion now on Gilles failures since he started doing parties in NY He managed to make 28 events out of those only 4 were failures b ut unfortunately when you make large scale big budget parties It only takes one or two bad ones t o leave you in several thousand dollars worth of debt. OF course some of you made valid points &# 8216;the trance culture here is not a dead cause ; Gill es just decided that if he was going to Do parties here they would be stuck in everyones h ead as long as they live. This he managed to do 24 out of 28 is pretty much a success in any prom oters bookLesh Now I kno w everyone is disappointed in Gilles decision to quit SS but as I said befo re he just lost his soul mate and although he did not mention it in his far ewell e-mail this is a major part of his reason to quit. I really dont want to go into det ail about his personal life but I do know that trance is his life and so wa s his partner. Take aw ay one part of that and you dont have the strength to keep going any more. But I can tell y ou that in the New Year SS will be coming back after some desperately neede d r & r to do smaller more intimate events where we do not have to feel the necessity to make sure we can cover a $25,000 payout on a party where after the event You ar e $12,000 poorer than when you made the event. OMNITRIBE,SPECTRA,SUBTLECHAOS,AND A FEW OTHERS WIL L BE MAKING EVENTS ALL THRU 2003. Cheers and be happy Jason SubtleChaos Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 4 3 Js at studiodis tribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-- From: nan [nan at hipchix] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] more on ss f rom sf Hey I agree %100. He s hould/could of: asked for everything, expected nothing and be prepared for anything. It works for me. As for the underground...I know for a fact it's still alive and very well. Take Halloween at Leon's for example... Hehehhe. Cheers. n --Original Mess age ----- From: Machinelf at yahoogroups Sen t: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: [NYC604] more on ss from sf the trance cultur e did not succeed in NY ? i mean what a long load of blaming an entire soci ety for one persons almost failures- who ever thought you were supposed to make money out of anything having to do with music needs to get over it. Th e scene in NY, SF and everywhere else in the world is the same: small, und erground, LOUD . A few promoters everywhere try to shove trance into the ma instream and it aint gonna happen. You involve trhe word psychedelic in any thing and a large and powerful group of morons are going to hate on you unt il you go away.- not that a good club can't be a lot of fun but the failure of an event expecting upwards of 500 peopl e ending means the scene is over? don't try to take us down with you No lies, il to: 458 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:58:26 EST Subject: Fwd: |-|/| nye?? From: krsnalotus 459 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:49:44 Subject: Re: more on ss from sf From: "B ... > Brian " > But I can tell you that in the New Year SS will be coming back >after some desperately needed r & r to do smaller more intimate thank you jason!! i do have to add that at the dec.1st 2001 party i discovered my spirituality... nothing that i learned from reading any book or going to church or just experiencing life up until that day prepared me for what i felt at that party and how i feel today... thank you sadhus for being my dream come true Brian 460 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:41:31 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: more on ss from sf From: XDreamer123 Thank you Sadhus. Amazura Mon Amour :) Thank you Sadhus. Amazura Mon Amour :) 461 by waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) id gB80JiD27226; Subject: [NYC604] yet more on ss Sender: carn1fex at earthlink From: Reply-To: carn1fex at earthlink Wow a damn shame. Suppose it had to happen sometime. We all have alot of incredible memories from marc ballroom thru amazura. A big thanks to everyone that provided that blacklit home/escape from everything and anything (sniffle). Mostly sucks because big names will be that much rarer to go check out. Although a sour taste serves em right for booking Ass Project.. Most Generic Psy Ever! (and now i duck the flames). Hmm I bet ss will be back in 4 months at some bar.. hopefully us mcmericans havnt driven him to flee the country. :) sin(joe)/(joe) 462 Subject: Re: [NYC604] yet more on ss From: suril desai Parties have to be for vibes, promoters must be willing to strech a little, the psyheads, must appreciate the promoter and contribute...if the promoter goes the extra mile so that the partiers can have a good time, why is it that most ravers dont want to contribute towards that extra mile. its selfish on part of the ravers who create a hype about going to a party and get tons of people together and then ditch!!! also promoters like SS need the support and if NY ravers refuse to support them, its obviously going to end. SF scene has been dominated by Teetles Yooble, CCC and ThumpRadio. All of them co operate with each other and use each others djs....its a collabrative effort and thats how you can survive. If Tsunami and SS work on events together then i believe, SS could be back in business. the promoter must look at it from a business point rather than opinion or passion, dont let emotions contaminate the scene. i hope SS is back in business soon...or i hope they migrate to SF where the scene just seems to get better as of now at least....COLLABRATION IS THE KEY... Parties have to be for vibes, promoters must be willing to strech a little, the psyheads, must appreciate the promoter and contribute...if the promoter goes the extra mile so that the partiers can have a good time, why is it that most ravers dont want to contribute towards that extra mile. its selfish on part of the ravers who create a hype about going to a party and get tons of people together and then ditch!!! also promoters like SS need the support and if NY ravers refuse to support them, its obviously going to end. SF scene has been dominated by Teetles Yooble, CCC and ThumpRadio. All of them co operate with each other and use each others djs....its a collabrative effort and thats how you can survive. If Tsunami and SS work on events together then i believe, SS could be back in business. the promoter must look at it from a business point rather than opinion or passion, dont let emotions contaminate the scene. i hope SS is back in business soon...or i hope they migrate to SF where the scene just seems to get better as of now at least....COLLABRATION IS THE KEY... 463 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] yet more on ss From: "Jason Sannachan" It would be nice if promoters could work together in this manner but unfortunately regardless of forgetting history the main promoters Here one in particular screwed other promoters over so much that there will always be negative vibes between them this is how it works when you do a big budget partyLesh Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: suril desai [lordsuril ] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] yet more on ss Parties have to be for vibes, promoters must be willing to strech a little, the psyheads, must appreciate the promoter and contribute...if the promoter goes the extra mile so that the partiers can have a good time, why is it that most ravers dont want to contribute towards that extra mile. its selfish on part of the ravers who create a hype about going to a party and get tons of people together and then ditch!!! also promoters like SS need the support and if NY ravers refuse to support them, its obviously going to end. SF scene has been dominated by Teetles Yooble, CCC and ThumpRadio. All of them co operate with each other and use each others djs....its a collabrative effort and thats how you can survive. If Tsunami and SS work on events together then i believe, SS could be back in business. the promoter must look at it from a business point rather than opinion or passion, dont let emotions contaminate the scene. i hope SS is back in business soon...or i hope they migrate to SF where the scene just seems to get better as of now at least....COLLABRATION IS THE KEY... _____ - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Lesh It would be nice if promoters could work together in this manner but unfortunately regardless of forgetting history the main promoters He re one in particular screwed other promoters over so much that there will a lways be negative vibes between them this is how it works when you do a big budget party . s Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message --From: suril desai [lordsuril ] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] yet more on ss Parties have to be for vibes, promoters must be willing to strech a little, the psyheads, must appreciate the promoter and contribute...if the promoter goes the extra mile so that the partiers can have a good time, why is it that most ravers dont want to contribute toward s that extra mile. its selfish on part of the ravers who create a hype abou t going to a party and get tons of people together and then ditch!!! also p romoters like SS need the support and if NY ravers refuse to support them, its obviously going to end. SF scene has been dominated by Teetles Yooble, CCC and ThumpRadio. All of them co operate with each other and use each oth ers djs....its a collabrative effort and thats how you can survive. If Tsun ami and SS work on events together then i believe, SS could be back in busi ness. the promoter must look at it from a business point rather than opinio n or passion, dont let emotions contaminate the scene. i hope SS is back in business soon...or i hope they migrate to SF where the scene just seems to get better as of now at least....COLLABRATION IS THE KEY... Do you Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --- m 464 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:38:20 EST Subject: does throb still carry psy-trance, anybody? From: Machinelf 465 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:00:27 EST Subject: looking for paul from nan's party From: Machinelf email back asap email back asap 466 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] does throb still carry psy-trance, anybody? From: "Jason Sannachan" Yeah aldo has some but he is selling out what stock he has if you want Jeff I can tell him you are coming down maybe give you it a bit cheaper Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: [NYC604] does throb still carry psy-trance, anybody? 467 Sender: bcadams To: Machinelf, NYC604 Subject: RE: [NYC604] does throb still carry psy-trance, anybody? From: bcadams yes they do, at much cheaper prices than HOT (last time i checked about a month ago) > Original Message From Machinelf >> 468 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:17:46 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: more on ss from 604 global list, anon From: chameleia I'm a little late in this discussion, but isn't separating america out exactly opposite of what trance is about. Isn't it about the embodiment of the human/alien race of the entire planet earth? which would then mean that there is no difference between american's and anyone else. I would agree that embodying this spirit is a challenge here-particularly in NYC, but it is alive-everywhere-it's just a matter of being able to tap into it within ourselves?! And thank you syntheticsadhus for some of the most enlighteningly wonderful joyful experiences i have had ....ever! Just because somthing ends, doesn't mean that it isn't still working! I'm a little late in this discussion, but isn't separating america out exactly opposite of what trance is about. Isn't it about the embodiment of the human/alien race of the entire planet earth? which would then mean that there is no difference between american's and anyone else. I would agree that embodying this spirit is a challenge here-particularly in NYC, but it is alive-everywhere-it's just a matter of being able to tap into it within ourselves?! And thank you syntheticsadhus for some of the most enlighteningly wonderful joyful experiences i have had ....ever! Just because somthing ends, doesn't mean that it isn't still working! 469 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:42:46 Subject: Its too quiet!!!! From: "krsnalotus " Hey party people wahts the werd out on da street. Hey Jason your doing a party? Man last Friday night I had the biggest Alice D, Adventure I ever had. and got freaked out and nearly died in a car accident. I cant blame any one but myslef really. Cuz no-one knew how High I was. but its all good and my car is in the shop. Can wait to hear double dragon on new yeras and also the omniribe part with Noma is gonna rule I said i was gonna chill but i wanta see Noma again. Has anybody used the higher end Behringer Mixers ? Alright laterz God Bless aka da guru d-lotus 470 (userskt8 mechLOGIN bits0) (versionTLSv1/SSLv3 cipherRC4-MD5 bits128 verifyNOT) To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] Its too quiet!!!! From: "steve" damn dude glad you're alright... I need a good party too....after Philipp didn't make it two weeks ago...I was bummed oliver from reefer decree on friday should be pretty sweet...I'm psyched anyway... noma will definitely be badass...and bring ya kronic for the early dub/reggae show... hey is ben light-o-matic on this list? ben when's that party you were telling me about? wasn't it in february last year? that was a great party... peace y'all seeya friday -steve ----- Original Message --From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: [NYC604] Its too quiet!!!! > Hey party people wahts the werd out on da street. > Hey Jason your doing a party? > Man last Friday night I had the biggest Alice D, Adventure I ever had. > and got freaked out and nearly died in a car accident. > I cant blame any one but myslef really. > Cuz no-one knew how High I was. > but its all good and my car is in the shop. > Can wait to hear double dragon on new yeras and also the omniribe > part with Noma > is gonna rule > I said i was gonna chill but i wanta see Noma again. > Has anybody used the higher end Behringer Mixers ? > Alright laterz > God Bless aka da guru d-lotus > > > > > > 471 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Its too quiet!!!! From: "Jason Sannachan" In the new year we will be starting to do monthly events........................on the darker tip of course! -----Original Message--From: krsnalotus [krsnalotus ] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: [NYC604] Its too quiet!!!! Hey party people wahts the werd out on da street. Hey Jason your doing a party? Man last Friday night I had the biggest Alice D, Adventure I ever had. and got freaked out and nearly died in a car accident. I cant blame any one but myslef really. Cuz no-one knew how High I was. but its all good and my car is in the shop. Can wait to hear double dragon on new yeras and also the omniribe part with Noma is gonna rule I said i was gonna chill but i wanta see Noma again. Has anybody used the higher end Behringer Mixers ? Alright laterz God Bless aka da guru d-lotus 472 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Its too quiet!!!! From: "Jason Sannachan" Hey Kamal glad your ok but maybe this ''getting wasted & driving a car & surviving is good lesson for you just dont be dumb ass enough to do it again please!. -----Original Message--From: krsnalotus [krsnalotus ] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: [NYC604] Its too quiet!!!! Hey party people wahts the werd out on da street. Hey Jason your doing a party? Man last Friday night I had the biggest Alice D, Adventure I ever had. and got freaked out and nearly died in a car accident. I cant blame any one but myslef really. Cuz no-one knew how High I was. but its all good and my car is in the shop. Can wait to hear double dragon on new yeras and also the omniribe part with Noma is gonna rule I said i was gonna chill but i wanta see Noma again. Has anybody used the higher end Behringer Mixers ? Alright laterz God Bless aka da guru d-lotus 473 Subject: Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED To: From: "Scott D. Abbott" http://www.synthetic-sadhus Does anyone know when this was announced? Are there any other New Year s Trance parties? http://www.synthetic-sa dhus Doe s anyone know when this was announced? Are there any other New Years Trance parties? 474 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED To: From: "B, Nicholas" No I'm afraid due to the new Anti-Phreak laws announced by President Bush l ast week all Trance in the USA is now illegal. BUT don't worry Ho-Downs a nd Square Dances are still allowed. Nick -----Original Message-- From: Scott D. Abbott [sda at abbsattmedia ] Sent: Thursday, Dece mber 12, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: [NYC604] Synth etic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED http://www.synthetic-sadhus Does anyone know when this was ann ounced? Are there any other New Years Trance parties? -- - Message P. { } LI. { } DIV. { } A:link { COLOR: blue; T EXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.Mso { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATI ON: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN .MsoFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } TT { FO NT-FAMILY: "Courier New" } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { rial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } No I'm afraid due to the new Anti-Phreak laws announced by President Bush last week all Trance in the USA is now i llegal. BUT don't worry Ho-Downs and Square Dances are still allowed. Nick -----Original Message-----F rom: Scott D. Abbott [sda at abbsattmedia ] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:35 AM.co mSubject: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED http://www.sy nthetic-sadhus Does anyone know when this was announced? Are there any other New Years T rance parties? ---No , send an e Your 475 Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:03:24 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED From: "Mike _" Err what anti phreak laws would those be? Got a news link? Thanks... Mike Open your eyes >From: "B, Nicholas" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > >No I'm afraid due to the new Anti-Phreak laws announced by President Bush last week all Trance in the USA is now illegal. > >BUT don't worry Ho-Downs and Square Dances are still allowed. > >Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott D. Abbott [sda at abbsattmedia ] > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:35 AM > > Subject: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > http://www.synthetic-sadhus > > Does anyone know when this was announced? > > Are there any other New Years Trance parties? > > --- > 476 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED To: From: "B, Nicholas" yeah - here ya go http://www.studentcentral.co.uk/coursework/essays/1658. html -----Original Message-- From: Mike _ [hobot1980 .c om] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:03 AM .co m Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED Err wha t anti phreak laws would those be? Got a news link? Thanks... Mike O pen your eyes >From: "B,N icholas" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604 ] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED >Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:40:06 - 0500 > >No I'm afraid due to the new Anti-Phreak laws announced by Pres ident Bush last week all Trance in the USA is now illegal. > >BUT don't worry Ho-Downs and Square Dances are still allowed. > >Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott D. Abbott [sda at abbsattm edia ] > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:35 AM > at yah oogroups > Subject: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > http://www.synthetic-sadhus > > Does a nyone know when this was announced? > > Are there any other New Years Trance parties? > > --- > No lies, no e > _____ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 To unsub om . Message yeah - here ya go http://www.studentcentral.co.uk/coursework /essays/1658.html -----Original Message-- ---From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:03 AM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLE D Err what anti phreak laws would those be? Got a news link? Thanks... Mike Open your eyes >From: "B, Nicholas" >Reply-at yah oogroups >To: &g t;Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > >No I'm afraid due to the new Anti-Phreak laws announced by President Bush last week all Trance in the USA is now illegal. > >BUT don't worry Ho-Downs and Square Dances are still allowe d. > >Nick > > -----Original Message----- > Fr om: Scott D. Abbott [sda at abbsattmedia ] > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:35 AM > gro ups > Subject: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CAN CELLED > > http://www.synthetic-sadhus > > > > Does anyone know when this was annou nced? > > Are there any other New Years Trance parties? > > > > > --- &g > To unsubs > NYC604-unsubscr ibe > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL s, no one word replies, send an email 477 Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:18:13 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED From: "Mike _" What the heck did that essay have to do with bush laws? I'm confused as usual :( Open your eyes >From: "B, Nicholas" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > >yeah - here ya go > >http://www.studentcentral.co.uk/coursework/essays/1658.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:03 AM > > Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > Err what anti phreak laws would those be? Got a news link? > > Thanks... > > Mike > > Open your eyes > >From: "B, Nicholas" > >Reply- > >To: > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > >No I'm afraid due to the new Anti-Phreak laws announced by President Bush last week all Trance in the USA is now illegal. > > > >BUT don't worry Ho-Downs and Square Dances are still allowed. > > > >Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott D. Abbott [sda at abbsattmedia ] > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:35 AM > > > > Subject: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > > http://www.synthetic-sadhus > > > > Does anyone know when this was announced? > > > > Are there any other New Years Trance parties? > > > > --- > > > > _____ > > --- > 478 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED To: From: "B, Nicholas" oops sorry pasted the wrong link (btw this has been around for a while) s o sorry to confuse http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/7/6/195720/8241 Eyes Wide Shut Nick -----Original Message-- From: Mike _ [ma ilto:hobot1980 ] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:18 AM T o: NYC604 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED What the heck did that essay have to do with bush laws? I 'm confused as usual :( Open your eyes >From: "B, Nicholas" >Reply- > To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED >Date: > >yeah - here ya go > >http://www. studentcentral.co.uk/coursework/essays/1658.html > > -----Original Mess age----- > From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] > Sent: Thursday , December 12, 2002 11:03 AM > > Subject: RE : [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > Err what an ti phreak laws would those be? Got a news link? > > Thanks... > > M ike > > Open your eyes > >From: "B, Nicholas" > >Reply-To: NYC 604 > >To: > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus Ne w Years CANCELLED > > > >No I'm afraid due to the new Anti-Phreak laws announced by President Bush last week all Trance in the USA is now illegal. > > > >BUT don't worry Ho-D owns and Square Dances are still allowed. > > > >Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott D. Abbott [sda at abbsatt media ] > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:35 AM > > To: NYC60 4 > > Subject: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCEL LED > > > > http://www.synthetic-sadhus > > > > > > > > Does anyone know when this was announced? > > > > > > Are there any other New Years Trance parties? > > > > > > > > --- vent spam > > > > NYC > > > > _____ > > MS > --- > No lies nd an e > _____ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and g et 2 months FREE* To un s ce . Message oops sorry pasted the wrong link (btw this ha s been around for a while) so sorry to confuse http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/7/6/195720/8241 Eyes Wide Shut Nick -----Original Message-----From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:18 AMTo: NYC604 at y ahoogroups Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Year s CANCELLED What the heck did that essay have to do with bush laws? I'm confused as usual :( Open your eyes >From: "B, Nicholas" >Reply-To: N YC604 >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > >yeah - here ya go > >http:// www.studentcentral.co.uk/coursework/essays/1658.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:03 AM > > Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > Err wha t anti phreak laws would those be? Got a news link? > > Thanks... > > Mike > > Open your eyes > >From: "B, Nicholas" > ; >Reply- > >To: > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED & gt; > > >No I'm afraid due to the new Anti-Phreak la ws announced by President Bush last week all Trance in the USA is now il legal. > > > >BUT don't worry Ho-Do wns and Square Dances are still allowed. > > > >Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott D. Abbott [sda at abbsattmedia ] > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:35 AM > > at ya hoogroups > > Subject: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus Ne w Years CANCELLED > > > > http://www.synthetic-sadhus > > > > Does anyon e know when this was announced? > > > > > > > > Are there any other Ne w Years Trance parties? > > > > > > > > --- > > of > > > > _____ > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 mo nths FREE*. > --- end an e > > t > H elp STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 o to: G ! 479 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:37:08 EST Subject: Fwd: January party - Hello from Eli,Anna,John. To: phantasmusa From: Machinelf 480 Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:47:29 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED From: "Mike _" Oh well yeah, the Evil RAVE act i knew about, thought it was somthing new and more sinister :( Thanks anyways :) Open your eyes >From: "B, Nicholas" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > >oops sorry pasted the wrong link (btw this has been around for a while) > >so sorry to confuse > >http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/7/6/195720/8241 > > Eyes Wide Shut > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:18 AM > > Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > What the heck did that essay have to do with bush laws? I'm confused as usual :( > > Open your eyes > >From: "B, Nicholas" > >Reply- > >To: > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > >yeah - here ya go > > > >http://www.studentcentral.co.uk/coursework/essays/1658.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:03 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > > Err what anti phreak laws would those be? Got a news link? > > > > Thanks... > > > > Mike > > > > Open your eyes > > >From: "B, Nicholas" > > >Reply- > > >To: > > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > > > >No I'm afraid due to the new Anti-Phreak laws announced by President Bush last week all Trance in the USA is now illegal. > > > > > >BUT don't worry Ho-Downs and Square Dances are still allowed. > > > > > >Nick > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Scott D. Abbott [sda at abbsattmedia ] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:35 AM > > > > > > Subject: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > > > > http://www.synthetic-sadhus > > > > > > Does anyone know when this was announced? > > > > > > Are there any other New Years Trance parties? > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > _____ > > > > --- > > > > _____ > > --- > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* 481 Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:47:30 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED From: "Mike _" Oh well yeah, the Evil RAVE act i knew about, thought it was somthing new and more sinister :( Thanks anyways :) Open your eyes >From: "B, Nicholas" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > >oops sorry pasted the wrong link (btw this has been around for a while) > >so sorry to confuse > >http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/7/6/195720/8241 > > Eyes Wide Shut > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:18 AM > > Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > What the heck did that essay have to do with bush laws? I'm confused as usual :( > > Open your eyes > >From: "B, Nicholas" > >Reply- > >To: > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > >yeah - here ya go > > > >http://www.studentcentral.co.uk/coursework/essays/1658.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:03 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > > Err what anti phreak laws would those be? Got a news link? > > > > Thanks... > > > > Mike > > > > Open your eyes > > >From: "B, Nicholas" > > >Reply- > > >To: > > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > > > >No I'm afraid due to the new Anti-Phreak laws announced by President Bush last week all Trance in the USA is now illegal. > > > > > >BUT don't worry Ho-Downs and Square Dances are still allowed. > > > > > >Nick > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Scott D. Abbott [sda at abbsattmedia ] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:35 AM > > > > > > Subject: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > > > > http://www.synthetic-sadhus > > > > > > Does anyone know when this was announced? > > > > > > Are there any other New Years Trance parties? > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > _____ > > > > --- > > > > _____ > > --- > 482 Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:47:51 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED From: "Mike _" Oh well yeah, the Evil RAVE act i knew about, thought it was somthing new and more sinister :( Thanks anyways :) Open your eyes >From: "B, Nicholas" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > >oops sorry pasted the wrong link (btw this has been around for a while) > >so sorry to confuse > >http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/7/6/195720/8241 > > > Eyes Wide Shut > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:18 AM > > Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > > What the heck did that essay have to do with bush laws? I'm confused as usual :( > > Open your eyes > >From: "B, Nicholas" > >Reply- > >To: > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > >yeah - here ya go > > > >http://www.studentcentral.co.uk/coursework/essays/1658.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 11:03 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > > > > > > Err what anti phreak laws would those be? Got a news link? > > > > Thanks... > > > > Mike > > > > Open your eyes > > >From: "B, Nicholas" > > >Reply- > > >To: > > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > > > >No I'm afraid due to the new Anti-Phreak laws announced by President Bush last week all Trance in the USA is now illegal. > > > > > >BUT don't worry Ho-Downs and Square Dances are still allowed. > > > > > >Nick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Scott D. Abbott [sda at abbsattmedia ] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:35 AM > > > > > > Subject: [NYC604] Synthetic Sadhus New Years CANCELLED > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.synthetic-sadhus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know when this was announced? > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any other New Years Trance parties? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > --- > > > > > 483 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:55:22 EST Subject: Fwd: hy jeff""DREAMCATCHER 24HS NEW YEARS PARTY" From: Machinelf 484 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:48:18 EST Subject: thievery at blakkat From: Machinelf i heard mad shit got stolen by bts types at last saturday's blakkat - wallets video cameras etc. i heard they are getting good at pickpocketing. i heard mad shit got stolen by bts types at last saturday's blakkat - wallets video cameras etc. i heard they are getting good at pickpocketing. 485 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:58:45 EST Subject: omnitribe working on bringing SBK on Jan 31st From: Machinelf omnitribe working on bringing SBK on Jan 31st omnitribe working on bringing SBK on Jan 31st 486 To: Subject: Friday, December 13. Psy trance in somerset NJ From: "Jeffrey Asprocolas" - Another Yoga Trance Dance Mission - Greetings all, Just a reminde r! It's on again- Friday, December 13! Come dance with your shoes of f in a drug and alcohol free environment. If you are in the central Jersey area and you seriously need a fix for some good psy trance, come o ut and support this night. This is a monthly night at a yoga center and your support will keep it going on strong. Chai tea will be served. Bring your own water and vibrating energy. Look forward to seei ng you. ] Trance Dance ] With Dj Ecofunkological Location: Yogasana EmPower Center 900 Easton Avenue (Behind the I HOP) Somer set, NJ 732-246-9642 www.yogasanaomzone Date: Fri day December 13, 2002 Time: 9pm - 1 am Fee: Donation DIRECTIONS >From NJ Turnpike 1) Take Exit 9 towards New Brunswick (Rt. 18 N). 2) Take Easton Avenue Exit. 3) Come to light (Landing Lane Rd) and make a left. 4) Come to next light (Ea ston Avenue) and make a right. 5) Travel on Easton Avenue for about 1.5 mi les. Note: You will see I HOP in shopping plaza on your left hand sid e. You will need to make a u-turn at JFK blvd and pull into this shopping plaza. The yoga center is right next to a bagel store. >From 287 1) Take Exit 10 for Easton Avenue and head towards New Brunswick 2) You will pass shopping plaza with Shop n' Stop after JFK Blvd. 3) Make a right int o the very next shopping plaza with the IHOP. Note: You will see Yoga center on the right hand side of the shopping complex next to a bagel sto re. * Contact me if you need more clear driving directions. - Another Yoga Trance Dance Mission - Greetings all, Just a reminder! It92s on again- Friday, December 13! Come dance with your shoes of f in a drug and alcohol free environment. If you are in the central Jersey area and you seriously need a fix for some good psy t rance, come out and support this night. This is a monthly night at a yoga center and your support will keep it going on strong . Chai tea will be served. Bring your own water and vibra ting energy. Look forward to seeing you . ] Trance Dance ] With Dj Ecofunkological Location: Yogasana EmPower Center 900 Easton Avenue (Behind the I HOP) Somerset, NJ 732-246-9642 www.yogasanaomzone Da te: Friday December 13, 2002 Time: 9pm 96 1 am Fee: Donation DIRECTIONS From NJ Turnpike 1) Take Exit 9 towards New Brunswick (Rt. 18 N). 2) Take Easton Avenue Exit. 3) Come to light (Landing Lane Rd) and make a le ft. 4) Come to next light (Eas ton Avenue) and make a right. 5) Travel on Easton Avenue for about 1.5 miles. Not e: You will see I HOP in shopping plaza on your left hand side. You will need to make a u-turn at JFK blvd and pull into this shopping plaza. The yoga center is right next to a bagel store. From 287 1) Take Exit 10 for Easton Avenue and head towards New Brunswick 2) You will pass sho pping plaza with Shop n92 Stop after JFK Blvd. 3) Make a right into the very next shopping plaza with the IHOP. 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As of recent events,... perhaps thereis a deity that you a ll should reflect upon. The fiercest face of the Goddess. The goddess of death and re-birth. Destruction andcreation. Through it all,... evolution danc es merrily along She paints her nails while spin doctors squeal faint protests. She is not convinced by rhetoric, or any other f anfare for that matter. She looks up She looks down And continues to paint her nails.... Black ( Check out awesome page below) Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: l isa R Sent: Tuesday, Decem ber 10, 2002 3:41 PM To: lisar enko Subject: http://w lorer download : http://explorer.msn.c om Get more f 489 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:32:49 EST Subject: Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 Wow, that is one scary prophecy indeed. I have a question though. Doe sn't it sound a bit insane that in NYC, the city where Israeli population is probably the largest in the world outside Israel, where the club scene is the most progressive in the US, and where most people at some point in their life tried mind expansion, in this city trance is dying ??? I mea n, I can see it dying, I just don't understand why oh why ??? Yes, economy sucks (I'm unemployed and I need a fucking job !!!) Yes, Lucy in the Sky i s missing ( where is she? does anyone know? ) Yes, local establishment does nothing but provoke anger and alienation among us. (There is nothing wors e, for me personally, to refuse someone a cigarette. I never refuse, bu t lately, since it's like $7 a pack, it just hurts) But it's all in the p eople, isn't it? ISN'T IT ?!? And we are all good people. WE ARE A LL GOOD PEOPLE !!! PEOPLE OF THE NEW AMSTERDAM, RISE UP, RISE UP TODA !!! Mediocrity and ignorance is taking over. The world has changed . It's a time to fight ! Prophecy: "Hundreds of cold and desperate tra ncers wearing House of Trance uniforms (you know what I mean), chanting " FULL ON ! FULL ON ! FULL ON ! " ps "and if I go insane, please don't pu t your wires in my brain ... " p.s.#2 Join the American Trance Party. ATP ! ATP ! ATP ! :) WE SHALL OVERCOME. IF NOT, WE SHALL OVERTHROW. Wow, that is one scary prophecy indeed. I have a question though. Doesn't it sound a bit insane that in NYC, the city whe re Israeli population is probably the largest in the world outside Israel, where the club scene is the most progressive in the US, and where most peop le at some point in their life tried mind expansion, in this city trance is dying ??? I mean, I can see it dying, I just don't understand why oh wh y ??? Yes, economy sucks (I'm unemployed and I need a fucking job !!!) Yes, Lucy in the Sky is missing ( where is she? does anyone know? ) Yes, local establishment does nothing but provoke anger and alienation amo ng us. (There is nothing worse, for me personally, to refuse someone a ciga rette. I never refuse, but lately, since it's like $7 a pack, it just hu rts) But it's all in the people, isn't it? ISN'T IT ?!? And we are all good people. WE ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE !!! P EOPLE OF THE NEW AMSTERDAM, RISE UP, RISE UP TODAY !!! Mediocr ity and ignorance is taking over. The world has changed. It's a time to fight ! Prophecy: "Hundreds of cold and desperate trancers wear ing House of Trance uniforms (you know what I mean), chanting " FULL ON ! F ULL ON ! FULL ON ! " ps "and if I go insane, please don't put y our wires in my brain ... " p.s.#2 Join the American Trance Party. ATP ! ATP ! ATP ! :) WE SHALL OVERCOME. IF NOT, WE SHALL O VERTHROW. 490 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "nan" Stick around. The good is just beginning. Or might I say, re-emerging. >;- ) n ----- Original Message ----- From: XDreamer123 To: NYC 604 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Wow, that is one scary prophecy indeed. I have a question though. Doesn't it sound a bit insane that in NYC, the city whe re Israeli population is probably the largest in the world outside Israel, where the club scene is the most progressive in the US, and where most peop le at some point in their life tried mind expansion, in this city trance is dying ??? I mean, I can see it dying, I just don't understand why oh why ??? Yes, economy sucks (I'm unemployed and I need a fucking job !!!) Ye s, Lucy in the Sky is missing ( where is she? does anyone know? ) Yes, lo cal establishment does nothing but provoke anger and alienation among us. ( There is nothing worse, for me personally, to refuse someone a cigarette. I never refuse, but lately, since it's like $7 a pack, it just hurts) Bu t it's all in the people, isn't it? ISN'T IT ?!? And we are all good peop le. WE ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE !!! PEOPLE OF THE NEW AMSTERDAM, RISE U P, RISE UP TODAY !!! Mediocrity and ignorance is taking over. The wor ld has changed. It's a time to fight ! Prophecy: "Hundreds of cold and desperate trancers wearing House of Trance uniforms (you know what I mean), chanting " FULL ON ! FULL ON ! FULL ON ! " ps "and if I go insane, ple ase don't put your wires in my brain ... " p.s.#2 Join the American TranParty. ATP ! ATP ! ATP ! :) WE SHALL OVERCOME. IF NOT, WE SHALL OVE RTHROW. To unsubscri Stick around. The good is just beginning. Or might I say, re-emerging. >;-) n ----- Original Message ----- From: XDreamer123 Sent: Thursday, De cember 12, 2002 8:32 PM Subje ct: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Wow, th at is one scary prophecy indeed. I have a question though. D oesn't it sound a bit insane that in NYC, the city where Israeli populat ion is probably the largest in the world outside Israel, where the club scene is the most progressive in the US, and where most people at some p oint in their life tried mind expansion, in this city trance is dying ?? ? I mean, I can see it dying, I just don't understand why oh why ? ??Yes, economy sucks (I'm unemployed and I need a fucking job !!!)Yes, Lucy in the Sky is missing ( where is she? does anyone know? )Yes, local establishment does nothing but provoke anger and alienation among us. (There is nothing worse, for me personally, to refuse someone a cigarette. I never refuse, but lately, since it's like $7 a pack, i t just hurts)But it's all in the people, isn't it? ISN'T I T ?!? And we are all good people. WE ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE ! !! PEOPLE OF THE NEW AMSTERDAM, RISE UP, RISE UP TODAY !!! Mediocrity and ignorance is taking over. The world has changed. It's a time to fight !Prophecy: "Hundreds of cold and desperate trancers wearing House of Trance uniforms (you know w hat I mean), chanting " FULL ON ! FULL ON ! FULL ON ! "ps "and if I go insane, please don't put your wires in my brain ... "p.s.#2 Join the American Trance Party. ATP ! ATP ! ATP ! :) WE SHALL OVERCOME. IF NOT, WE SHALL OVERTHROW. ---No lies, no from this group, send an 491 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:48:17 EST Subject: more on blakkat party - fwd out From: Machinelf >first sign, the smell of dippies in the air. then, mad shady vibes everywhere... then, at about 4am, all of a sudden the party clears out, probably one third of the people leave. shady vibe leaves too. then, mad shit is missing. cell phones disappear from pockets, cameras, anything easy to lift. it's like they are highly coordinated and expert pickpockets now. they also stage fights to distract people. never lose your guard. the spot might be blown now. we have enemies on two fronts. the gangs want to rob us, the cops want to shut us down. we are at war whether we like it or not. >first sign, the smell of dippies in the air. then, mad shady vibes everywhere... then, at about 4am, all of a sudden the party clears out, probably one third of the people leave. shady vibe leaves too. then, mad shit is missing. cell phones disappear from pockets, cameras, anything easy to lift. it's like they are highly coordinated and expert pickpockets now. they also stage fights to distract people. never lose your guard. the spot might be blown now. we have enemies on two fronts. the gangs want to rob us, the cops want to shut us down. we are at war whether we like it or not. 492 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "lisa R" Kali-Ma......................................................... ----- Original Message --From: nan Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Stick aro und. The good is just beginning. Or might I say, re-emerging. >;-) n ----- Original Message ----- From: XDreamer123 groups Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: [NYC604] Re : Prophecy Wow, that is one scary prophecy indeed. I have a question tho ugh. Doesn't it sound a bit insane that in NYC, the city where Israeli pop ulation is probably the largest in the world outside Israel, where the club scene is the most progressive in the US, and where most people at some poi nt in their life tried mind expansion, in this city trance is dying ??? I mean, I can see it dying, I just don't understand why oh why ??? Yes, econo my sucks (I'm unemployed and I need a fucking job !!!) Yes, Lucy in the Sky is missing ( where is she? does anyone know? ) Yes, local establishment do es nothing but provoke anger and alienation among us. (There is nothing wor se, for me personally, to refuse someone a cigarette. I never refuse, but lately, since it's like $7 a pack, it just hurts) But it's all in the peop le, isn't it? ISN'T IT ?!? And we are all good people. WE ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE !!! PEOPLE OF THE NEW AMSTERDAM, RISE UP, RISE UP TODAY !!! Mediocrity and ignorance is taking over. The world has changed. It's a t ime to fight ! Prophecy: "Hundreds of cold and desperate trancers wearing House of Trance uniforms (you know what I mean), chanting " FULL ON ! FULL ON ! FULL ON ! " ps "and if I go insane, please don't put your wires in m y brain ... " p.s.#2 Join the American Trance Party. ATP ! ATP ! ATP ! :) WE SHALL OVERCOME. IF NOT, WE SHALL OVERTHROW. ent spam NYC604-unsubscri be /explorer.msn Kali-Ma...................................... ................... ----- Origina l Message ----- From: nan Sen t: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Stick around. The good is just beginning. Or might I say, re-emerging. >;-) n ----- Original Message ----- Fro m: X Dreamer123 To: NYC6 04 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Wow, that is one scary prophecy indeed. I have a question though. Do esn't it sound a bit insane that in NYC, the city where Israeli population is probably the largest in the world outside Israel, where the club scene i s the most progressive in the US, and where most people at some point in th eir life tried mind expansion, in this city trance is dying ??? I mea n, I can see it dying, I just don't understand why oh why ???Yes, econo my sucks (I'm unemployed and I need a fucking job !!!)Yes, Lucy in the Sky is missing ( where is she? does anyone know? )Yes, local establishm ent does nothing but provoke anger and alienation among us. (There is nothi ng worse, for me personally, to refuse someone a cigarette. I never r efuse, but lately, since it's like $7 a pack, it just hurts)But it' s all in the people, isn't it? ISN'T IT ?!? And we are all good people. WE ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE !!! PEOPLE OF THE NEW AMSTERDAM, RISE UP, RISE UP TODAY !!! Mediocrity and ignoranis taking over. The world has changed. It's a time to fight !Prophecy: "Hundreds of cold and desperate trancers wearing House o f Trance uniforms (you know what I mean), chanting " FULL ON ! FULL ON ! FU LL ON ! "ps "and if I go insane, please don't put your wires in my brain ... "p.s.#2 Join the American Trance Party. ATP ! ATP ! event spamNYC604- Service. Get m 493 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: suril desai dude buy ur ciggies at www.yessmoke it will save u quite a bit ....its like 20 bucks for a carton (10pack) cheers XDreamer123 wrote:Wow, that is one scary prophecy indeed. I have a question though. Doesn't it sound a bit insane that in NYC, the city where Israeli population is probably the largest in the world outside Israel, where the club scene is the most progressive in the US, and where most people at some point in their life tried mind expansion, in this city trance is dying ??? I mean, I can see it dying, I just don't understand why oh why ??? Yes, economy sucks (I'm unemployed and I need a fucking job !!!) Yes, Lucy in the Sky is missing ( where is she? does anyone know? ) Yes, local establishment does nothing but provoke anger and alienation among us. (There is nothing worse, for me personally, to refuse someone a cigarette. I never refuse, but lately, since it's like $7 a pack, it just hurts) But it's all in the people, isn't it? ISN'T IT ?!? And we are all good people. WE ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE !!! PEOPLE OF THE NEW AMSTERDAM, RISE UP, RISE UP TODAY !!! Mediocrity and ignorance is taking over. The world has changed. It's a time to fight ! Prophecy: "Hundreds of cold and desperate trancers wearing House of Trance uniforms (you know what I mean), chanting " FULL ON ! FULL ON ! FULL ON ! " ps "and if I go insane, please don't put your wires in my brain ... " p.s.#2 Join the American Trance Party. ATP ! ATP ! ATP ! :) WE SHALL OVERCOME. IF NOT, WE SHALL OVERTHROW. dude buy ur ciggies at www.yessmoke it will save u quite a bit ....its like 20 bucks for a carton (10pack) cheers XDreamer123 wrote: 494 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:55:00 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/14/2002 2:01:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, lordsuril writes: > Yes, Lucy is missing ( where is she?) um i guess you didn't read kamal's post In a message dated 12/14/2002 2:01:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, lordsuril writes: Yes, Lucy is missing ( where is she?) um i guess you didn't read kamal's post 495 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:43:06 EST Subject: Fwd: dreamcatcher website From: Machinelf 496 To: Subject: Speaking of the goddess.... poem by Erica Jong Organization: Samsara Agency From: "Robin Parham" Reply-To: "Robin Parham" To the Goddess Goddess, I come to you my neck wreathed with rosebuds, my head filled with visions of infants, my palms open to your silver nails, my eyes open to your rays of illumination, my vagina & my womb gaping to be f illed by your radiance. .LeshO goddess, I would be a worthy vessel. Imperma nence-- all is impermanence. The cock rises to fall again; the woman fills only to empty in a convulsion that shakes the world; the poet grows to beco me a voice only to lose that voice when death takes her. A stroke cancels h er upon the page-- & yet I open her book & a chill wind blows from eternity . Goddess, I come to you wreathed in tears, in losses, in whistling winds. I wrap the witch's herbs around my neck to ward off the impermanence that is our common fate. The herbs dry & crumble, as my face grows the map of my anxieties, & my daughter leaps up like a vine twining around the trellis o f impermanence. O goddess, teach me to praise loss, death & the passing of all things-- for from this flux I know your blessings flow. A9 Erica Man n Jong To the Goddess Goddess, I come to youmy neck wreathed with roseb uds,my head filled with visions of infants,my palms open to your s ilver nails,my eyes open to your rays of illumination,my vagina &a mp; my womb gapingto be filled by your radiance. . .O goddess, I w ould be a worthy vessel. Impermanence-- all is impermanence.The cock rises to fall again;the woman fills only to emptyin a convuls ion that shakes the world;the poet grows to become a voiceonly to lose that voice when death takes her.A stroke cancels her upon the pag e--& yet I open her book & a chill wind blows from eternity. Goddess, I come to youwreathed in tears, in losses, in whistling winds.I wrap the witch's herbs around my neckto ward off the impe rmanence that is our common fate.The herbs dry & crumble,as my face grows the map of my anxieties,& my daughter leaps up like a vinetwining around the trellis of impermanence. O goddess, teach me to praise loss,death & the passing of all things-- for from th is fluxI know your blessings flow. A9 Erica M ann Jong 497 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] Speaking of the goddess.... poem by Erica Jong From: "lisa R" Awesome girl. Yoah...... where did you get that picture! It's almost more p owerful to put the goddess stuff out in non-goddess land, if you know what I mean........................... I put out the Kali stuff but not on newA valon, I didn't feel an urgency about that. ( I usually put stuff out becau se I'm driven to). Maybe the girls don't need that message. You're great. T hanks. ( I would love it if you sent it in though, feel shy asking for som e reason..... well I guess I'm feeling shy today.... that's good though.... that's also real) Lisa ----- Original Message --From: Robin Parham Sen t: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: [N YC604] Speaking of the goddess.... poem by Erica Jong To the Goddess G oddess, I come to you my neck wreathed with rosebuds, my head filled with visions of infants, my palms open to your silver nails, my eyes open to yo ur rays of illumination, my vagina & my womb gaping to be filled by your ra diance. .LeshO goddess, I would be a worthy vessel. Impermanence-- all is im permanence. The cock rises to fall again; the woman fills only to empty in a convulsion that shakes the world; the poet grows to become a voice only t o lose that voice when death takes her. A stroke cancels her upon the page- - & yet I open her book & a chill wind blows from eternity. Goddess, I come to you wreathed in tears, in losses, in whistling winds. I wrap the witch' s herbs around my neck to ward off the impermanence that is our common fate . The herbs dry & crumble, as my face grows the map of my anxieties, & my d aughter leaps up like a vine twining around the trellis of impermanence. O goddess, teach me to praise loss, death & the passing of all things-- for f rom this flux I know your blessings flow. A9 Erica Mann Jong No lie an e Awesome girl. Yoah...... where did you get th at picture! It's almost more powerful to put thegoddess st uff out in non-goddess land, if you know whatI mean.................. ......... I putout the Kali stuff but not on newAval on, I didn't feel an urgency about that. ( I usually put stuff o ut because I'm drivento). Maybe the girls don't need that message. You're great. Thanks. (I would love it if you sent it in though, feel shy asking for some reason..... well I guess I'm feeling shy today.... that's good though.... that's also real) Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Parham Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: [NYC604] Speaking of the godde ss.... poem by Erica Jong To the Goddess Goddess, I come to youm y neck wreathed with rosebuds,my head filled with visions of infants,my palms open to your silver nails,my eyes open to your rays of illum ination,my vagina & my womb gapingto be filled by your radiance . . .O goddess, I would be a worthy vessel. Impermanence-- all i s impermanence.The cock rises to fall again;the woman fills only to emptyin a convulsion that shakes the world;the poet grows to becom e a voiceonly to lose that voice when death takes her.A stroke canc els her upon the page--& yet I open her book & a chill wind blo ws from eternity. Goddess, I come to youwreathed in tears, in lo sses, in whistling winds.I wrap the witch's herbs around my neckto ward off the impermanence that is our common fate.The herbs dry & c rumble,as my face grows the map of my anxieties,& my daughter l eaps up like a vinetwining around the trellis of impermanence. O goddess, teach me to praise loss,death & the passing of all things -- for from this fluxI know your blessings flow. A9 Erica Mann Jong ---No lies, an e Your us 498 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: The truth shall set you free From: "lisa R" The beautiful is not beautiful The truth is beautiful The truth is sacred T herefore only the sacred is beautiful (Don't take my word on it, find out for yourself) The beautiful is not beautiful The truth is beautiful The truth is sa cred Therefore only the sacred is beautiful (Don't take my word on it, find out for yourself) LisaGet more fr 499 To: Subject: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: ".serge" I totally agree with "east coast (k)head" on this subject. The so-called prophecy by 'expatriate' seems no more than a negative view at progression of psy-trance music. The music has to be innovative. The style changes constantly, and it has to. There's no innovation without exploring new sounds. expatriates writes: >"Why.......(in K-slurred garble)......."We have bastardized it and crammed it away in dingy, smokey little clubs and cramped little lofts".... the Gothamers cry!!! "We have absorbed multiple inhalents to keep us in a perpetual K-Hole of non-existence..... to numb us of our dark dungeon we have created" Non-existense associated with dark dungeons sounds a bit shortsighted. Emptiness isn't somthing that can be described using ordinary language. One of the purposes of going down the rabbit hole is in exploring fabric of reality. Stop making associations and there will be no dark dungeons to be afraid of. Maybe then you won't feel bastardized and crammed away. Cheer up. It ain't all that bad > >from Slurring Gothamite: this is brewing to be a biggie smalls stytle west coast vs east goast trancesta rap feud: Thanks for forwarding this ignorant diatribe against what is undeniably the shot in the arm that was needed by the underground NYC trance scene for years, i.e. Omnitribe & Scando-trance (call it dark minimalism if you must). If these shiny happy people want to listen to the same old spastic full on goa melodies for ever and ever, they should just go to big commercial parties with big Israeli acts and not slam the new stuff just because they don't get it. Nothing's more hypocritical than supposedly 'enlightened' flower people being so sourly negative. Go on to California...just be forwarned that the progression to rhythmic minimalism is not limited to NYC...if they paid attention to what labels are putting out in Europe, they would know. (Heard much from Hallucinagain in the last 4 years?) They should attempt to be more open minded rather than whining with pretentious pseudo poetry. I say good riddance. >from expatriate: Part 1, THE RECOGNITION Hark!!! A lone voice in the wind cried "The NYC trance scene is dying, i forsee a slow and painful death". "Listen, you will hear it in the music....... "minimalizzzed", dark minimal beats, fluttering, choking out the extruding life of a "full-on" sound. The new candle holders from the stats of Russia, prefering the malaise of a slower brooding beat, have taken control." "Gotham has become GOTHAM, in the full darkness of a bad "Tim Burton" film." "Where is the energy of the sunlight, the great and magical outdoor life that first spawned psychedelic trance from the shores of GOA???" .....cried the traveled ones. "Why.......(in K-slurred garble)......."We have bastardized it and crammed it away in dingy, smokey little clubs and cramped little lofts".... the Gothamers cry!!! "We have absorbed multiple inhalents to keep us in a perpetual K-Hole of non-existence..... to numb us of our dark dungeon we have created" "Aaaaaahhhh", exclaimed the traveled ones So upon realizing this sad news and state of affairs....... the wondering travelers set out on their journey to find a celebrated shore in the West, where others who have kept the torch burning still have faith in the original vibe that psychedelic music was formed under. "There must still be a land whether the bass booms in the trees, the sun rises with a saw tooth wave, where form is celebrated over function, ............ such a place must still exist." "Go search for your dream in the sun", snided the Gothamers, "we will keep the basement cold for your return!!!" And with this, traveled ones set out upon their journey. Clean I totally agree with “east coast (k)head” on this subject. The so-called prophecy by ;expatriateR 17; seems no more than a negative view at progression of psy-trance music. The music has to be innovative. The style chang es constantly, and it has to. Theres no i nnovation without exploring new sounds. expatriates writes: >"Why .......(in K-slurred garble)......."We have bastardized it and crammed it away in dingy, smokey little clubs and cramped little lofts".... the Gothamers cry!!! "We have absorbed multiple inhalents to keep us in a perpetual K-Hole of non-existence..... to numb usof ourdark dungeon we have c reated" Non-existense associate d with dark dungeons sounds a bit shortsighted. Emptiness isnt somet hing that can be described using ordinary language. One of the purposes of going down the rabbit hole is in exploring fabric of reality. Stop making associations and there will be no dark dung eons to be afraid of. Maybe then you wont feel bastardized and cramm ed away. Cheer up. It aint all that bad > ; > >from Slurring Gothamite: this is br ewing to be a biggie smalls stytle west coast vs east goast trancesta rap feud: Thanks for forwarding this ig norant diatribe against what is undeniably the shot in the arm that was nee ded by the underground NYC trance scene for years, i.e. Omnitribe & Scando-trance (call it dark minimalism if you must). If these shiny happy people want to listen t o the same old spastic full on goa melodies for ever and ever, they should just go to big commercial parties with big Isra eli acts and not slam the new stuff just because they don't get it. Nothing 's more hypocritical than supposedly 'enlightened' flower people being so s ourly negative. Go on to Californ ia...just be forwarned that the progression to rhythmic minimalism is not limite d to NYC...if they paid attention to what labels are putting out in Europe, they would kn ow. (Heard much from Hallucinagain in the last 4 years?) They should attempt to be more open minded rather than whining wi th pretentious pseudo poetry. I say good riddance. >from expatriate: Part 1, THE RECOGNITION Hark!!! A lone voice in the wind cried "The NYC trance scene is dying, i forsee a slow and pain ful death". "Listen, you willhear it in the music..... .. "minimalizzzed", dark minimal beats, fluttering,choking out the extruding li fe of a "full-on" sound. The new candle holders from the st ats of Russia, prefering the malaise of a slower brooding beat, have taken control. " "Gotham has becomeGOTHAM, in the full darkn ess of a bad "Tim Burton" film." "Where is the energy of th e sunlight, the great and magical outdoor life that first spawned psychedel ic trance from the shores of GOA???".....cried the traveled ones. & quot;Why.......(in K-slurred garble)......." ;We have bastardized it and crammed it away in dingy, smokey little clubs and cramped little lofts".... the Gothamers cry!!! "We have absorbed multiple inhalents to keep us in a perpetual K-Hole of non-existenc e..... to numb usof ourdark dungeon we have created" "Aaaaaahhhh", exc laimed the traveled ones So upon realizing this sad news and state of affairs.. .....the wondering travelers set out on their journey to find a celeb rated shore in theWest, where others who have kept the torch burning still have faith in the original vibe that psychedelic music was formed und er. "There must still be a land whether the bass booms in the trees, the s un rises with a saw tooth wave, where form is celebrated over function, ............such a place must stillex ist." "Go search for your dream in the sun", snided the Gothamers,"we wi ll keep thebasement cold for your return!!!" And with this, traveled ones set out upon their journey. 500 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:57:38 EST Subject: spectra review From: Machinelf the space was great, not too manypeople filled upstairs downstairs was empty. the danish were great, my favorite fx mike played downstairs. the people who work at club mundo are awesome. jason was afraid to drink a flaming drink but shai tried but spilled flaming liquid all over the bar the usual weirdos wylie and stefan were missing the space was great, not too manypeople filled upstairs downstairs was empty. the danish were great, my favorite fx mike played downstairs. the people who work at club mundo are awesome. jason was afraid to drink a flaming drink but shai tried but spilled flaming liquid all over the bar the usual weirdos wylie and stefan were missing 501 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:04:43 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of course it will happen and of course it is a progression. And no one can be told which way it must go. However, it's the people that define the mood/vibe/whatever. And they give rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, though, that a happy full-on goa is only played at large parties. I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller party too. I don't think you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. Plenty of dj's here, who will play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and we all know into which direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there such a thing as wrong? I don't know. Only thing that I can tell you objectively, is that I don't like what is happening. I mean, it's great those OmniTribe guys are doing somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just don't. I don't think they understand what's it all about. Or maybe they do, but are just trying to be original. p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of course it will happen and of course it is a progression. And no one can be told which way it must go. However, it's the people that define the mood/vibe/whatever. And they give rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, though, that a happy full-on goa is only played at large parties. I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller party too. I don't think you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. Plenty of dj's here, who will play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and we all know into which direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there such a thing as wrong? I don't know. Only thing that I can tell you objectively, is that I don't like what is happening. I mean, it's great those OmniTribe guys are doing somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just don't. I don't think they understand what's it all about. Or maybe they do, but are just trying to be original. p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. 502 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jessica" bravo for speaking the truth. i mourn for the lost days of uplifting goa...it's part of the reason why i haven't been to a party in this city in quite awhile. the other reason? i think much of the scene in this city is rife with ego and a nasty sort of megalomaniacal hierarchy...the likes of which i haven't experienced in any other city. it makes me sad. i don't feel that unity of spirit that made this beautiful scene what it once was. so here's the plan that i've been tossing around: one day (hopefully much sooner than later), when my life isn't crazy busy like it is, i'm going to organize a party (perhaps not in NYC...but who knows?) of Old Skool Goa Only. no tunes after 1998 will be played...and the old delicious vibe will be resurrected. this idea started as a joke response to some minimal progression thread on another list, but i got so much off-list response that it seems it's meant to be. djs are coming out of the woodwork. if anyone here is interested, drop me a line.... > Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of course it will happen and > of course it is a progression. And no one can be told which way it must go. > However, it's the people that define the mood/vibe/whatever. And they give > rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, though, that a happy > full-on goa is only played at large parties. > I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller party too. I don't think > you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. Plenty of dj's here, who will > play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and we all know into which > direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there such a thing as wrong? I > don't know. Only thing that I can tell you objectively, is that I don't like > what is happening. I mean, it's great those OmniTribe guys are doing > somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just don't. I don't think they > understand what's it all about. Or maybe they do, but are just trying to be > original. > > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. > 503 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] spectra review From: "Jason Sannachan" Of course I was afraid.................................. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:58 PM Subject: [NYC604] spectra review the space was great, not too manypeople filled upstairs downstairs was empty. the danish were great, my favorite fx mike played downstairs. the people who work at club mundo are awesome. jason was afraid to drink a flaming drink but shai tried but spilled flaming liquid all over the bar the usual weirdos wylie and stefan were missing Lesh Of course I was afraid. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message --From: Machinelf [Machinelf] Se nt: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:58 PM Subject: [NYC604] spectra review the space was great, not too manypeople filled upstairs downstairs was empty. the danish we re great, my favorite fx mike played downstairs. the people who work at club mundo are awesome. jason was afraid to drink a flaming drink but shai tried but spilled flaming liquid all over the bar the usual weirdo s wylie and stefan were missing To unsub ahoogroups . 504 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" I cant believe you actually had the balls to write somthing like that must be some kind of killer P.C.P trip you Are on or somthing. You want goa just go to party where you know they are going to play your full on atmospheric shit and quit complaining About the other styles of psy-trance. Referring to your quote ''and fuck Europe by the way'' tut.tut what happened did your trailer get towed over the weekend or somthing''. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of course it will happen and of course it is a progression. And no one can be told which way it must go. However, it's the people that define the mood/vibe/whatever. And they give rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, though, that a happy full-on goa is only played at large parties. I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller party too. I don't think you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. Plenty of dj's here, who will play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and we all know into which direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there such a thing as wrong? I don't know. Only thing that I can tell you objectively, is that I don't like what is happening. I mean, it's great those OmniTribe guys are doing somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just don't. I don't think they understand what's it all about. Or maybe they do, but are just trying to be original. p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. Lesh I cant believe y ou actually had the balls to write somthing like that must be some kind of killer P.C.P trip you Are on or somthing. You want goa just go to party where you know they are going to play your f ull on atmospheric shit and quit complaining About the other styles of psy-trance. Referring to your quote and fuck Europe by the way tuttut what happened did your trailer get towed over the weekend or somthing. Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DIL LIGAFF'' - ----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] R e: Prophecy Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of course it wi ll happen and of course it is a progression. And no one can be told w hich way it must go. However, it's the people that define the mood/vi be/whatever. And they give rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, though, that a happy full-on goa is only played at large part ies. I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller party too. I don't think you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. Plenty o f dj's here, who will play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and we all know into which direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there such a thing as wrong? I don't know. Only thing that I can t ell you objectively, is that I don't like what is happening. I mean, it's great those OmniTribe guys are doing somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just don't. I don't think they understand what's it all about. Or maybe they do, but are just trying to be original. p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. NYC6 ! 505 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" Jessica if you want to do party with tunes from before 1998 give me a call Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Jessica [jessw at mindspring ] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy bravo for speaking the truth. i mourn for the lost days of uplifting goa...it's part of the reason why i haven't been to a party in this city in quite awhile. the other reason? i think much of the scene in this city is rife with ego and a nasty sort of megalomaniacal hierarchy...the likes of which i haven't experienced in any other city. it makes me sad. i don't feel that unity of spirit that made this beautiful scene what it once was. so here's the plan that i've been tossing around: one day (hopefully much sooner than later), when my life isn't crazy busy like it is, i'm going to organize a party (perhaps not in NYC...but who knows?) of Old Skool Goa Only. no tunes after 1998 will be played...and the old delicious vibe will be resurrected. this idea started as a joke response to some minimal progression thread on another list, but i got so much off-list response that it seems it's meant to be. djs are coming out of the woodwork. if anyone here is interested, drop me a line.... > Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of course it will happen and > of course it is a progression. And no one can be told which way it must go. > However, it's the people that define the mood/vibe/whatever. And they give > rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, though, that a happy > full-on goa is only played at large parties. > I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller party too. I don't think > you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. Plenty of dj's here, who will > play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and we all know into which > direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there such a thing as wrong? I > don't know. Only thing that I can tell you objectively, is that I don't like > what is happening. I mean, it's great those OmniTribe guys are doing > somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just don't. I don't think they > understand what's it all about. Or maybe they do, but are just trying to be > original. > > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. > 506 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:32:28 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: Machinelf the dmt will play lots and lots of goa this coming year, as long as members vote for djswho say they will play it the dmt will play lots and lots of goa this coming year, as long as members vote for djswho say they will play it 507 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:54:32 EST Subject: Re: flaming shots To: nmf24 at drexel From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, nmf24 at drexel writes: > What was in that shot again? > > Warms up your whole chest. > that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think flammable liquifd on top In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, nmf24 at drexel writes: What was in that shot again? Warms up your whole chest. that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think flammable liquifd on top 508 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: flaming shots From: "Jason Sannachan" I'd rather rub tiger balm on my chest that stuff was lethal and I think Shai almost drinking it without the straw could've been bad for his nasal hair. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:55 PM To: nmf24 at drexel Subject: [NYC604] Re: flaming shots In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, nmf24 at drexel writes: What was in that shot again? Warms up your whole chest. that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think flammable liquifd on top Lesh Id rather rub tiger balm on my chest that stuff was lethal and I think Shai almost d rinking it without the straw couldve been bad for his nasal hair. S ignature" Jason S annachan Studi o Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf [Ismoke DMT ] Sent: Monda y, December 16, 2002 1:55 PM To: nmf24 at drexel Subjec t: [NYC604] Re: flaming shots In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM East ern Standard Time, nmf24 at drexel writes: W hat was in that shot again? Warms up your whole chest. that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think flammable liquifd on top --- 509 by mail.drexel (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2001.07.26.11.50.p9) Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: flaming shots Sender: nmf24 From: nmf24 The top layer i believe was 151, i'm not sure what the middle was. > Original Message From NYC604 >In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, >nmf24 at drexel writes: > >> What was in that shot again? >> >> Warms up your whole chest. >> > >that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think flammable liquifd on top 510 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:13:38 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: flaming shots From: Machinelf top was bacardi 151 middle was cream bottom was kahlua they set the top on fire and you were to suck it down quick with a straw top was bacardi 151 middle was cream bottom was kahlua they set the top on fire and you were to suck it down quick with a straw 511 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:45:27 Subject: Flaming shot party From: "Neil " could be an interesting premise for a get-together, all the shots are flaming, first person to singe their eyebrows wins a prize. -Neil 512 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:48:49 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Flaming shot party From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/16/02 2:48:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, nmf24 at drexel writes: > could be an interesting premise for a get-together, all the shots are > flaming, first person to singe their eyebrows wins a prize. > > -Neil my gf :-) In a message dated 12/16/02 2:48:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, nmf24 at drexel writes: could be an interesting premise for a get-together, all the shots are flaming, first person to singe their eyebrows wins a prize. -Neil my gf :-) 513 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:53:15 EST Subject: more amsterdam From: Machinelf From: missrobin at psyzion i am so excited to hear this ~~~~ i am about to be there 10 days ( l eaving next Wednesday)... and i have too many parties to choose from 3D(. .. either way tho, i am staying with a local trancer and he says the scene is the absolute best.... so wether i decided the small Finnish trance par ty or the bigger more commercial.... i think ill be fine 3D) WOOHOO i will send reports ;-)any advice for an Amsterdam first timer, i would be so abliged From: mis srobin at psyzion i am so excited to hear this ~~~~ i a m about to be there 10 days ( leaving next Wednesday)... and i have too man y parties to choose from 3D(... either way tho, i am staying with a local trancer and he says the scene is the absolute best.... so wether i decided the small Finnish trance party or the bigger more commercial.... i think il l be fine 3D) WOOHOO i will send reports ;-) any advice for an Amsterdam first timer , i would be so abliged 514 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:14:43 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 Jason, i'm not American. And yes, Fuck Europe ! Jason, i'm not American. And yes, Fuck Europe ! 515 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:24:17 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ 516 Subject: anybody know ocelot?????? From: valerio zhyin could somebody give me aaron peacock's email..... thanx could somebody give me aaron peacock's email..... 517 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: ".serge" What's the point of comparing old style to the new? It's the same thing as comparing trance music of 1994 or old trance from Goa to psy-trance of 2000. If you want full-on melodic trance parties in NYC then maybe you should start promoting them yourself or at least start DJing. Start producing your own music. And I'm pretty sure you'll have an audience. :-) And stop pointing fingers at things that you don't comprehend. Heh, scary, dark?.. I remember when locals of Washington Heights were telling retarded stories about "alien raves under the bridge" to FOX News. Their mentality made them perceive anything that was alien and unknown to them as a worship to devil or whatever other nonsense it is that they told in the news. Of course we all laugh at such idiocy. And the more you keep on arguing about somthing that is not to your like, the more I want to laugh at it. Don't waste your energy. Remedy for bad trip. LOL Same old Good trip - Bad trip babble? You really believe that the trip has to be defined as bad or good? There's just a trip. Neither bad nor good. If you keep dividing it into bad-good, then I doubt that you're a psychonaut? Same goes for the music. > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ Clean MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 -size:0; nt:""; mso-par a-margin-bottom:.0001pt; Whats the point of comparing old style to the new? Its the same thing as comparing trance music of 1994 or old trance from Go a to psy-trance of 2000. If you want full-on melodic trance p arties in NYC then maybe you should start promoting them yourself or at lea st start DJing. Start producing your own music. And Im pretty sure youll have an audience. J And stop pointing fingers at things that you dont comprehend. Heh, scary, d ark?.. I remember when locals of Washington Heights were telling retarded stor ies about “alien raves under the bridge” to FOX News. Their men tality made them perceive anything that was alien and unknown to them as a worship to devil or whatever other nonsense it i s that they told in the news. Of course we all laugh at such idiocy. And th e more you keep on arguing about somthing that is not to your like, the mo re I want to laugh at it. Dont waste your energy. Remedy for ba d trip. LOL Same old Good trip – Bad trip babble? You really believe that the trip has to be d efined as bad or good? Theres just a trip. Neith er bad nor good. If you keep dividing it into bad-good, then I doubt that youre a psychonaut? Same goes for the music. > > > Yes , full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'l l dj if I have to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ 518 To: Subject: Trance Organization: Samsara Agency From: "Robin Parham" Reply-To: "Robin Parham" if pics are not allowed on this list..... just lemme know and i will refrai n from using them... they just a are attached to the quotes and poems, and they seem fitting. THIS LEFT ME SPEECHLESS ;-) MissRobin Hello ! We are some wanderers in the wheels of eternity's ev er-pulsating multiconnections. Captured in the magnetic fields of the psych edelic supernova, sharing body/dancevibes. Let's explode, blend in the new world, experience the adventure of the profound inner silence, thr ough the harmonics of trance ..... if pics are not allowed on thi s list..... just lemme know and i will refrain from using them... they jus t a are attached to the quotes and poems, and they seem fitting. THIS LEFTME SPEECHLESS ;-) MissRobin Hello ! We are some wanderers in the wheels of eternity's ever-pulsating multiconnections. Capture d in the magnetic fields of the psychedelic supernova, sharing body/ dancevibes. Let's explode, blend in the new world, exper ience the adventure of the profound inner silence, through the harmo nics of trance ....85 519 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:23:11 EST Subject: Fwd: from mimi From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/16/02 9:06:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, ELAFM writes: > From: ELAFM > > to all I respect, > > please try to make it to omnitribe this fri if you can since this will be > the last major trance party I go this year as I will be leaving for japan > before new year's eve. I'd like to share a night of trance w/ all of you. I > will be back in the end of january. > > Mizue In a message dated 12/16/02 9:06:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, ELAFM writes: From: ELAFM to all I respect, please try to make it to omnitribe this fri if you can since this will be the last major trance party I go this year as I will be leaving for japan before new year's eve. I'd like to share a night of trance w/ all of you. I will be back in the end of january. Mizue 520 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" Geezer you need to be staying off the drugs what kind of tosser are you. -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Jason, i'm not American. And yes, Fuck Europe ! Geezer you need to be staying off the drugs what kind of tosser are you. -----Original Message-----From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ]Sent: Mo nday, December 16, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: ProphecyJason, i'm not American. And yes, Fuck Europe ! event spamTo unsubsc ribe from this group, send an email 521 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" I was going to try and keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape like comments down to single sentences as i did not want to immobilize your pea size brain but you really are looking to get trashed arent you. Wow you want full on Goa party do you same as it was in Goa maybe. Did you goo to alot of gatherings in Goa did you spend time walking with the sadhu maybe? Listening to GMS psychedelic style with none of that minimal crap getting in the way of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me on. Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh yeah minimal is about somthing else???? what type of crap i dont understand shite about music quote is that have you ever been trippin so hard and listening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik with 1000 people all on the same buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp to some mechanical psy-trance beatz for a good few hours before daylight comes up and you throw on some nice morning sound................ Xdreamer you are full of shit always have been always will be. -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ I was going to try and keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape like comments down to single sentences as i did not want to immobilize yo ur pea size brain but you really are looking to get trashed arent you. Wow you want full on Goa party do you same as it w as in Goa maybe. Did you goo to alot of gather ings in Goa did you spend time walking with the sadhu maybe? Listening to GMS psychedelic style with none of that minimal crap getting in the way of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me on. Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh ye ah minimal is about somthing else???? what type of crap i dont understand shite about music quote is that have you ever been trippin so hard and li stening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik with 1000 people all on the s ame buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp to some mechanical psy- trance beatz for a good few hours before daylight comes up and you throw o n some nice morning sound................ Xdrea mer you are full of shit always have been always will be. -----Original Message-----From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ]Sent: Monday , December 16, 2002 6:24 PMS ubject: Re: [NYC604] Re: ProphecyYes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stu ff. Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have to. But please, Minimal is about somthin g else. Yes, new sounds. Scary sounds. Basically, a gr eat remedy for a bad trip. Sad. Psychedelic Boyscout :)~---No lies, no one word replies, eNups is subject to the Yaho 522 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:51:33 Subject: Secret New Trance From: "krsnalotus " Im developing a new breed of trance that isnt progressive or full- on,minimal, tek-trance. etc but im not telling and might never. thats right folks its mine ha! Lets see who actually likes what.? But any way let have a top ten of artists: this isnt my all time top ten but ill try to get as close as possible : :this order doesnt signify which one i think is better, just what came to mind: 1-bitmonx 2-koxbox 3-x-dream 4-delta 5-3-point-turn 6-shiva-chandra 7-tegma 8-reefer decree 9-space cat 10-beat-bizarre whos next???????????? come dont be shy! 523 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Secret New Trance From: "Jason Sannachan" 1) EARGEAR 2) MIDIMILIZ 3) AUTHENTIK 4) POUNDING GROOVES 5) ALLEGRIA 6) PETER DUNDUV 7) CAMCOKER 8) DELTA 9) ADAM BEYER 10) GLENN WILSON JASON SUBTLECHAOS TOP TEN ............................ Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: krsnalotus [krsnalotus ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: [NYC604] Secret New Trance Im developing a new breed of trance that isnt progressive or full- on,minimal, tek-trance. etc but im not telling and might never. thats right folks its mine ha! Lets see who actually likes what.? But any way let have a top ten of artists: this isnt my all time top ten but ill try to get as close as possible : :this order doesnt signify which one i think is better, just what came to mind: 1-bitmonx 2-koxbox 3-x-dream 4-delta 5-3-point-turn 6-shiva-chandra 7-tegma 8-reefer decree 9-space cat 10-beat-bizarre whos next???????????? come dont be shy! 524 Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:53:30 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Mike _" Just to make a purely linguistic observation here: I won't argue with either of your opinions about music, however it seems to me that Jason's writing is a lot more incoherent than the one thathe calls a neanderthal and an ape. Why such anger at someone's opinion anyhow? :(>From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > >I was going to try and keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape like >comments down to single sentences as i did not want to immobilize your pea >size brain but you really are looking to get trashed arent you. >Wow you want full on Goa party do you same as it was in Goa maybe. >Did you goo to alot of gatherings in Goa did you spend time walking with the >sadhu maybe? >Listening to GMS psychedelic style with none of that minimal crap getting in >the way of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me on. >Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh yeah minimal is about somthing else???? what >type of crap i dont understand shite about music quote is that have you ever >been trippin so hard and listening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik with >1000 people all on the same buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp >to some mechanical psy-trance beatz for a good few hours before daylight >comes up and you throw on some nice morning sound................ >Xdreamer you are full of shit always have been always will be. > -----Original Message----- > From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. >Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have >to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary >sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > --- > 525 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" YOU THINK SAYING FUCK EUROPE IS A WORTHY OPINION!!! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Just to make a purely linguistic observation here: I won't argue with either of your opinions about music, however it seems to me that Jason's writing is a lot more incoherent than the one that he calls a neanderthal and an ape. Why such anger at someone's opinion anyhow? :( >From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > >I was going to try and keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape like >comments down to single sentences as i did not want to immobilize your pea >size brain but you really are looking to get trashed arent you. >Wow you want full on Goa party do you same as it was in Goa maybe. >Did you goo to alot of gatherings in Goa did you spend time walking with the >sadhu maybe? >Listening to GMS psychedelic style with none of that minimal crap getting in >the way of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me on. >Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh yeah minimal is about somthing else???? what >type of crap i dont understand shite about music quote is that have you ever >been trippin so hard and listening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik with >1000 people all on the same buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp >to some mechanical psy-trance beatz for a good few hours before daylight >comes up and you throw on some nice morning sound................ >Xdreamer you are full of shit always have been always will be. > -----Original Message--> From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. >Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have >to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary >sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > > > _____ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee VirusScan Online Lesh YOU THINK SAYING FUCK EUROPE IS A WORTH OPINION!!! quot;E-mail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-- From: Mike _ [hobot19 80 ] Sent: Tu esday, December 17, 2002 12:54 PM T o: NYC604 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Just to make a purely linguistic observation here: I won't argue with either of your opinions about music, howev er it seems to me that Jason's writing is a lot more incoherent than the on e thathe calls a neanderthal and an ape. Why such anger at some one's opinion anyhow? :( >From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply -To: NYC604 > To: >S ubject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy & gt;Date: > >I was going to try a nd keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape like >comments down to single sentences as i did not want to immobilize your pea >size brain but you really are looking to get trashed arent you. >Wow you want full on Goa party do you same as i t was in Goa maybe. >Did you goo to alot of gatherings in Goa did you spend time walking with the >sadhu maybe? >Listening to GMS psychedelic style with none of that mi nimal crap getting in >the w ay of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me on. >Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh yeah minim al is about somthing else???? what >type of crap i dont understand shite about music quote is that have yo u ever >been trippin so hard and listening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik with >1000 people all on the same buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp >to so me mechanical psy-trance beatz for a good few hours before daylight >comes up and you throw on some nice m orning sound................ >X dreamer you are full of shit always have been always will be. > -----Original Message----- > From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 at aol ] > Sent: Monday, Decembe r 16, 2002 6:24 PM > To: NYC604 at yahoogroups > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and st uff. >Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have >to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, ne w sounds. Scary >sounds. Basical ly, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > --- > No l ies, > To > > > Your use > Protect y our PC - Click here for McAfee VirusScan Online an e 526 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" Sorry Mike if my statements are seemingly incoherent to you obviously you did not follow the previous mail from Xdreamer. Which is more angry my reply or his original quote. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Just to make a purely linguistic observation here: I won't argue with either of your opinions about music, however it seems to me that Jason's writing is a lot more incoherent than the one that he calls a neanderthal and an ape. Why such anger at someone's opinion anyhow? :( >From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > >I was going to try and keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape like >comments down to single sentences as i did not want to immobilize your pea >size brain but you really are looking to get trashed arent you. >Wow you want full on Goa party do you same as it was in Goa maybe. >Did you goo to alot of gatherings in Goa did you spend time walking with the >sadhu maybe? >Listening to GMS psychedelic style with none of that minimal crap getting in >the way of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me on. >Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh yeah minimal is about somthing else???? what >type of crap i dont understand shite about music quote is that have you ever >been trippin so hard and listening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik with >1000 people all on the same buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp >to some mechanical psy-trance beatz for a good few hours before daylight >comes up and you throw on some nice morning sound................ >Xdreamer you are full of shit always have been always will be. > -----Original Message--> From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. >Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have >to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary >sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > > > _____ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee VirusScan Online Lesh Sorry Mike if my statements are seemingl y incoherent to you obviously you did not follow the previous mail from Xdr eamer. Which is more angry my reply or his origina l quote. Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAF F'' -----Original Message--From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] Se nt: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Just to make a purely linguistic observat ion here: I won't argue with either of your opinion s about music, however it seems to me that Jason's writing is a lot more in coherent than the one thathe calls a neanderthal and an ape. Wh y such anger at someone's opinion anyhow? :( >From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply-To: NYC604 >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy >Date: > >I wa s going to try and keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape like >comments down to single sentences a s i did not want to immobilize your pea >size brain but you really are looking to get trashed arent you. >Wow you want full on Goa party do you same as it was in Goa maybe. & gt;Did you goo to alot of gatherings in Goa did you spend time walking with the >sadhu maybe? >Listening to GMS psychedelic style with no ne of that minimal crap getting in >the way of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me o n. >Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh y eah minimal is about somthing else???? what >type of crap i dont understand shite about music quote is tha t have you ever >been trippin so hard and listening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik with >1000 people all on the same buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp > to some mechanical psy-trance beatz for a good few hours before daylight >comes up and you throw on some nimorning sound................ &g t;Xdreamer you are full of shit always have been always will be. > -----Original Message----- > From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer1 23 ] > Sent: Monday, Dece mber 16, 2002 6:24 PM > To: NYC604 > Subj ect: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style a nd stuff. >Even today's GMS is g ood. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have >to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes , new sounds. Scary >sounds. Bas ically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boys cout :)~ > > --- > No lies, > To > > > Your use e. > Protec t your PC - Click here for McA fee VirusScan Online No lies, no on send an e oo! 527 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" Please allow me to expound. If it was not for Europe we would not have trance scene anywhere! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy YOU THINK SAYING FUCK EUROPE IS A WORTHY OPINION!!! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Just to make a purely linguistic observation here: I won't argue with either of your opinions about music, however it seems to me that Jason's writing is a lot more incoherent than the one that he calls a neanderthal and an ape. Why such anger at someone's opinion anyhow? :( >From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > >I was going to try and keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape like >comments down to single sentences as i did not want to immobilize your pea >size brain but you really are looking to get trashed arent you. >Wow you want full on Goa party do you same as it was in Goa maybe. >Did you goo to alot of gatherings in Goa did you spend time walking with the >sadhu maybe? >Listening to GMS psychedelic style with none of that minimal crap getting in >the way of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me on. >Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh yeah minimal is about somthing else???? what >type of crap i dont understand shite about music quote is that have you ever >been trippin so hard and listening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik with >1000 people all on the same buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp >to some mechanical psy-trance beatz for a good few hours before daylight >comes up and you throw on some nice morning sound................ >Xdreamer you are full of shit always have been always will be. > -----Original Message--> From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. >Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have >to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary >sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > > > _____ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee VirusScan Online Lesh Lesh Plea se allow me to expound. If it was not for Europe we would not have trance scene anywhere! ot;E-mail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 42 5 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message --From: Jason Sannac han [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy YOU THINK SAYING FUCK EUROPE IS A WORTHY OPIN ION!!! -s "E-mail Signature&quo t; Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY N Y 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistr ibution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Proph ecy Just to make a purely linguistic observat ion here: I won't argue with either of your opinion s about music, however it seems to me that Jason's writing is a lot more in coherent than the one thathe calls a neanderthal and an ape. Wh y such anger at someone's opinion anyhow? :( >From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply-To: NYC604 >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy >Date: > &g t;I was going to try and keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape lik e >comments down to single sent ences as i did not want to immobilize your pea >size brain but you really are looking to get trashed aren t you. >Wow you want full on Go a party do you same as it was in Goa maybe. >Did you goo to alot of gatherings in Goa did you spend time w alking with the >sadhu maybe? >Listening to GMS psychedelic s tyle with none of that minimal crap getting in >the way of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me on. >Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh yeah minimal is about somthing else???? what >type of crap i dont understand shite about mu sic quote is that have you ever &g t;been trippin so hard and listening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik w ith >1000 people all on the s ame buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp >to some mechanical psy-trance beatz for a good few hou rs before daylight >comes up an d you throw on some nice morning sound................ >Xdreamer you are full of shit always have been alw ays will be. > -----Original Me ssage----- > From: XDreamer123 at aol [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:24 PM > To: NYC604 > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. >Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have >to. But please, Min imal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary >sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sa d. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > --- > No lies, no one word replies, no ev ent spam > To > > > Your use > Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee VirusScan Online am N com Your use of 528 Subject: goa vs. minimal & fri - Re:Re: Re: Re:Re: Re: Prophecy From: ig rai don't quite understand what the cry is all about? there is music and some love it some don't. vibe is what psy trance is all about. I remember many parties with only minimal music with happiest vibe ever. if you want diversity, I think omnitribe party this friday has both goa and minimal djs plus reggae... fuck NYC for ignorance. --- NYC604 wrote: > > > > > There are 18 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > 1. Re: Re: Prophecy From: "Jessica" 2. RE: spectra review From: "Jason Sannachan" > 3. RE: Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" > 4. RE: Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" > 5. Re: Re: Prophecy From: Machinelf 6. Re: flaming shots From: Machinelf 7. RE: Re: flaming shots From: "Jason Sannachan" > 8. RE: Re: flaming shots From: nmf24 9. Re: Re: flaming shots From: Machinelf 10. Flaming shot party From: "Neil " > 11. Re: Flaming shot party From: Machinelf 12. more amsterdam From: Machinelf 13. Re: Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 14. Re: Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 15. anybody know ocelot?????? From: valerio zhyin 16. RE: Re: Prophecy From: ".serge" 17. Trance From: "Robin Parham" > 18. Fwd: from mimi From: Machinelf > > > > > Message: 1 From: "Jessica" > Subject: Re: Re: Prophecy > > bravo for speaking the truth. > i mourn for the lost days of uplifting goa...it's > part of the reason why i > haven't been to a party in this city in quite > awhile. the other reason? i > think much of the scene in this city is rife with > ego and a nasty sort of > megalomaniacal hierarchy...the likes of which i > haven't experienced in any > other city. it makes me sad. i don't feel that unity > of spirit that made > this beautiful scene what it once was. > > so here's the plan that i've been tossing around: > one day (hopefully much > sooner than later), when my life isn't crazy busy > like it is, i'm going to > organize a party (perhaps not in NYC...but who > knows?) of Old Skool Goa > Only. no tunes after 1998 will be played...and the > old delicious vibe will > be resurrected. this idea started as a joke response > to some minimal > progression thread on another list, but i got so > much off-list response that > it seems it's meant to be. djs are coming out of the > woodwork. if anyone > here is interested, drop me a line.... > > > Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of > course it will happen > and > > of course it is a progression. And no one can be > told which way it must > go. > > However, it's the people that define the > mood/vibe/whatever. And they > give > > rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, > though, that a happy > > full-on goa is only played at large parties. > > I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller > party too. I don't > think > > you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. > Plenty of dj's here, who > will > > play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and > we all know into which > > direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there > such a thing as wrong? I > > don't know. Only thing that I can tell you > objectively, is that I don't > like > > what is happening. I mean, it's great those > OmniTribe guys are doing > > somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just > don't. I don't think > they > > understand what's it all about. Or maybe they do, > but are just trying to > be > > original. > > > > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. > > > > > > > Message: 2 From: "Jason Sannachan" > > Subject: RE: spectra review > > Of course I was > afraid.................................. > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Machinelf > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:58 PM > > Subject: [NYC604] spectra review > > the space was great, not too manypeople filled > upstairs downstairs was > empty. > the danish were great, my favorite fx mike played > downstairs. > the people who work at club mundo are awesome. > jason was afraid to drink a flaming drink but shai > tried but spilled flaming > liquid all over the bar > the usual weirdos wylie and stefan were missing > > >Lesh> > > > > > Message: 3 From: "Jason Sannachan" > > Subject: RE: Re: Prophecy > > I cant believe you actually had the balls to write > somthing like that must > be some kind of killer P.C.P trip you > Are on or somthing. > You want goa just go to party where you know they > are going to play your > full on atmospheric shit and quit complaining > About the other styles of psy-trance. > Referring to your quote ''and fuck Europe by the > way'' tut.tut what happened > did your trailer get towed over the weekend or > somthing''. > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: XDreamer123 > [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 4:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of > course it will happen and > of course it is a progression. And no one can be > told which way it must go. > However, it's the people that define the > mood/vibe/whatever. And they give > rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, > though, that a happy > full-on goa is only played at large parties. > I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller > party too. I don't think > you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. Plenty > of dj's here, who will > play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and we > all know into which > direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there > such a thing as wrong? I > don't know. Only thing that I can tell you > objectively, is that I don't > like what is happening. I mean, it's great those > OmniTribe guys are doing > somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just > don't. I don't think > they understand what's it all about. Or maybe they > do, but are just trying > to be original. > > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. > > >Lesh> > > > > > Message: 4 From: "Jason Sannachan" > > Subject: RE: Re: Prophecy > > Jessica if you want to do party with tunes from > before 1998 give me a call > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Jessica [jessw at mindspring ] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > bravo for speaking the truth. > i mourn for the lost days of uplifting goa...it's > part of the reason why i > haven't been to a party in this city in quite > awhile. the other reason? i > think much of the scene in this city is rife with > ego and a nasty sort of > megalomaniacal hierarchy...the likes of which i > haven't experienced in any > other city. it makes me sad. i don't feel that unity > of spirit that made > this beautiful scene what it once was. > > so here's the plan that i've been tossing around: > one day (hopefully much > sooner than later), when my life isn't crazy busy > like it is, i'm going to > organize a party (perhaps not in NYC...but who > knows?) of Old Skool Goa > Only. no tunes after 1998 will be played...and the > old delicious vibe will > be resurrected. this idea started as a joke response > to some minimal > progression thread on another list, but i got so > much off-list response that > it seems it's meant to be. djs are coming out of the > woodwork. if anyone > here is interested, drop me a line.... > > > Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of > course it will happen > and > > of course it is a progression. And no one can be > told which way it must > go. > > However, it's the people that define the > mood/vibe/whatever. And they > give > > rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, > though, that a happy > > full-on goa is only played at large parties. > > I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller > party too. I don't > think > > you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. > Plenty of dj's here, who > will > > play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and > we all know into which > > direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there > such a thing as wrong? I > > don't know. Only thing that I can tell you > objectively, is that I don't > like > > what is happening. I mean, it's great those > OmniTribe guys are doing > > somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just > don't. I don't think > they > > understand what's it all about. Or maybe they do, > but are just trying to > be > > original. > > > > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. > > > > > > > > > > Message: 5 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:32:28 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Re: Re: Prophecy > > the dmt will play lots and lots of goa this coming > year, as long as members > vote for djswho say they will play it > > > > > > Message: 6 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:54:32 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Re: flaming shots > > In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > nmf24 at drexel writes: > > > What was in that shot again? > > > > Warms up your whole chest. > > > > that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think > flammable liquifd on top > > > > > > Message: 7 From: "Jason Sannachan" > > Subject: RE: Re: flaming shots > > I'd rather rub tiger balm on my chest that stuff was > lethal and I think Shai > almost drinking it without the straw could've been > bad for his nasal hair. > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Machinelf > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:55 PM > To: nmf24 at drexel > > Subject: [NYC604] Re: flaming shots > > In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > nmf24 at drexel writes: > > What was in that shot again? > > Warms up your whole chest. > > that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think > flammable liquifd on top > > >Lesh> > > > > > Message: 8 From: nmf24 > Subject: RE: Re: flaming shots > > The top layer i believe was 151, i'm not sure what > the middle was. > > > Original Message From NYC604 > > >In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > >nmf24 at drexel writes: > > > >> What was in that shot again? > >> > >> Warms up your whole chest. > >> > > > >that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think > flammable liquifd on top > > > > > Message: 9 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:13:38 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Re: Re: flaming shots > > top was bacardi 151 > middle was cream > bottom was kahlua > > they set the top on fire and you were to suck it > down quick with a straw > > > > > > Message: 10 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:45:27 From: "Neil " > > Subject: Flaming shot party > > could be an interesting premise for a get-together, > all the shots are > flaming, first person to singe their eyebrows wins a > prize. > > -Neil > > > > > Message: 11 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:48:49 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Re: Flaming shot party > > In a message dated 12/16/02 2:48:28 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > nmf24 at drexel writes: > > > could be an interesting premise for a > get-together, all the shots are > > flaming, first person to singe their eyebrows wins > a prize. > > > > -Neil > > my gf :-) > > > > > > Message: 12 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:53:15 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: more amsterdam > > From: HREF"missrobin at psyzion missrobin at psyzion > > i am so excited to hear this ~~~~ i am about to be > there 10 days ( leaving > next Wednesday)... and i have too many parties to > choose from (... either > way tho, i am staying with a local trancer and he > says the scene is the > absolute best.... so wether i decided the small > Finnish trance party or the > bigger more commercial.... i think ill be fine ) > WOOHOO > i will send reports ;-) > > any advice for an Amsterdam first timer, i would be > so abliged > > > > > > Message: 13 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:14:43 EST From: XDreamer123 > Subject: Re: Re: Prophecy > > Jason, i'm not American. And yes, Fuck Europe ! > > > > > > Message: 14 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:24:17 EST From: XDreamer123 > Subject: Re: Re: Prophecy > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project > style and stuff. Even > today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. > Hell, I'll dj if I have to. > But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, > new sounds. Scary sounds. > Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > > > > > Message: 15 From: valerio zhyin > Subject: anybody know ocelot?????? > > could somebody give me aaron peacock's email..... > > thanx > > > > > > Message: 16 From: ".serge" > Subject: RE: Re: Prophecy > > What's the point of comparing old style to the new? > It's the same thing > as comparing trance music of 1994 or old trance from > Goa to psy-trance > of 2000. If you want full-on melodic trance parties > in NYC then maybe > you should start promoting them yourself or at least > start DJing. Start > producing your own music. And I'm pretty sure you'll > have an audience. > :-) And stop pointing fingers at things that you > don't comprehend. Heh, > scary, dark?.. > I remember when locals of Washington Heights were > telling retarded > stories about "alien raves under the bridge" to FOX > News. Their > mentality made them perceive anything that was alien > and unknown to them > as a worship to devil or whatever other nonsense it > is that they told in > the news. Of course we all laugh at such idiocy. And > the more you keep > on arguing about somthing that is not to your like, > the more I want to > laugh at it. Don't waste your energy. > Remedy for bad trip. LOL > Same old Good trip - Bad trip babble? You really > believe that the trip > has to be defined as bad or good? There's just a > trip. Neither bad nor > good. If you keep dividing it into bad-good, then I > doubt that you're a > psychonaut? Same goes for the music. > > > > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project > style and stuff. > Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. > Hell, I'll dj if I > have to. But please, Minimal is about somthing > else. Yes, new sounds. > Scary sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad > trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > > > > > Message: 17 From: "Robin Parham" > Subject: Trance > > if pics are not allowed on this list..... just lemme > know and i will refrain from using them... they just > a are attached to the quotes and poems, and they > seem fitting. > > THIS LEFT ME SPEECHLESS ;-) > > MissRobin > Hello ! We are some wanderers in the wheels of > eternity's ever-pulsating multiconnections. Captured > in the magnetic fields of the psychedelic supernova, > sharing body/dancevibes. > Let's explode, blend in the new world, > experience the adventure of the profound inner > silence, through the harmonics of trance ..... > > > > > > Message: 18 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:23:11 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Fwd: from mimi > > In a message dated 12/16/02 9:06:32 PM Eastern > Standard Time, ELAFM writes: > > > From: ELAFM > > > > to all I respect, > > > > please try to make it to omnitribe this fri if you > can since this will be > > the last major trance party I go this year as I > will be leaving for japan > > before new year's eve. I'd like to share a night > of trance w/ all of you. I > > will be back in the end of january. > > > > Mizue > > > > > _ 529 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal & fri - Re:Re: Re: Re:Re: Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" Now you make more sense than anybody including myself. Nice wording. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: ig rai [igraidj ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal & fri - Re:Re: Re: Re:Re: Re: Prophecy don't quite understand what the cry is all about? there is music and some love it some don't. vibe is what psy trance is all about. I remember many parties with only minimal music with happiest vibe ever. if you want diversity, I think omnitribe party this friday has both goa and minimal djs plus reggae... fuck NYC for ignorance. --- NYC604 wrote: > > > > There are 18 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > 1. Re: Re: Prophecy From: "Jessica" 2. RE: spectra review From: "Jason Sannachan" > 3. RE: Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" > 4. RE: Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" > 5. Re: Re: Prophecy From: Machinelf 6. Re: flaming shots From: Machinelf 7. RE: Re: flaming shots From: "Jason Sannachan" > 8. RE: Re: flaming shots From: nmf24 9. Re: Re: flaming shots From: Machinelf 10. Flaming shot party From: "Neil " > 11. Re: Flaming shot party From: Machinelf 12. more amsterdam From: Machinelf 13. Re: Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 14. Re: Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 15. anybody know ocelot?????? From: valerio zhyin 16. RE: Re: Prophecy From: ".serge" 17. Trance From: "Robin Parham" > 18. Fwd: from mimi From: Machinelf > > > > Message: 1 From: "Jessica" > Subject: Re: Re: Prophecy > > bravo for speaking the truth. > i mourn for the lost days of uplifting goa...it's > part of the reason why i > haven't been to a party in this city in quite > awhile. the other reason? i > think much of the scene in this city is rife with > ego and a nasty sort of > megalomaniacal hierarchy...the likes of which i > haven't experienced in any > other city. it makes me sad. i don't feel that unity > of spirit that made > this beautiful scene what it once was. > > so here's the plan that i've been tossing around: > one day (hopefully much > sooner than later), when my life isn't crazy busy > like it is, i'm going to > organize a party (perhaps not in NYC...but who > knows?) of Old Skool Goa > Only. no tunes after 1998 will be played...and the > old delicious vibe will > be resurrected. this idea started as a joke response > to some minimal > progression thread on another list, but i got so > much off-list response that > it seems it's meant to be. djs are coming out of the > woodwork. if anyone > here is interested, drop me a line.... > > > Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of > course it will happen > and > > of course it is a progression. And no one can be > told which way it must > go. > > However, it's the people that define the > mood/vibe/whatever. And they > give > > rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, > though, that a happy > > full-on goa is only played at large parties. > > I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller > party too. I don't > think > > you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. > Plenty of dj's here, who > will > > play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and > we all know into which > > direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there > such a thing as wrong? I > > don't know. Only thing that I can tell you > objectively, is that I don't > like > > what is happening. I mean, it's great those > OmniTribe guys are doing > > somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just > don't. I don't think > they > > understand what's it all about. Or maybe they do, > but are just trying to > be > > original. > > > > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. > > > > > > Message: 2 From: "Jason Sannachan" > > Subject: RE: spectra review > > Of course I was > afraid.................................. > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Machinelf > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:58 PM > > Subject: [NYC604] spectra review > > the space was great, not too manypeople filled > upstairs downstairs was > empty. > the danish were great, my favorite fx mike played > downstairs. > the people who work at club mundo are awesome. > jason was afraid to drink a flaming drink but shai > tried but spilled flaming > liquid all over the bar > the usual weirdos wylie and stefan were missing > > > >Lesh> > > > > Message: 3 From: "Jason Sannachan" > > Subject: RE: Re: Prophecy > > I cant believe you actually had the balls to write > somthing like that must > be some kind of killer P.C.P trip you > Are on or somthing. > You want goa just go to party where you know they > are going to play your > full on atmospheric shit and quit complaining > About the other styles of psy-trance. > Referring to your quote ''and fuck Europe by the > way'' tut.tut what happened > did your trailer get towed over the weekend or > somthing''. > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: XDreamer123 > [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 4:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of > course it will happen and > of course it is a progression. And no one can be > told which way it must go. > However, it's the people that define the > mood/vibe/whatever. And they give > rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, > though, that a happy > full-on goa is only played at large parties. > I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller > party too. I don't think > you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. Plenty > of dj's here, who will > play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and we > all know into which > direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there > such a thing as wrong? I > don't know. Only thing that I can tell you > objectively, is that I don't > like what is happening. I mean, it's great those > OmniTribe guys are doing > somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just > don't. I don't think > they understand what's it all about. Or maybe they > do, but are just trying > to be original. > > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. > > > >Lesh> > > > > Message: 4 From: "Jason Sannachan" > > Subject: RE: Re: Prophecy > > Jessica if you want to do party with tunes from > before 1998 give me a call > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Jessica [jessw at mindspring ] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > bravo for speaking the truth. > i mourn for the lost days of uplifting goa...it's > part of the reason why i > haven't been to a party in this city in quite > awhile. the other reason? i > think much of the scene in this city is rife with > ego and a nasty sort of > megalomaniacal hierarchy...the likes of which i > haven't experienced in any > other city. it makes me sad. i don't feel that unity > of spirit that made > this beautiful scene what it once was. > > so here's the plan that i've been tossing around: > one day (hopefully much > sooner than later), when my life isn't crazy busy > like it is, i'm going to > organize a party (perhaps not in NYC...but who > knows?) of Old Skool Goa > Only. no tunes after 1998 will be played...and the > old delicious vibe will > be resurrected. this idea started as a joke response > to some minimal > progression thread on another list, but i got so > much off-list response that > it seems it's meant to be. djs are coming out of the > woodwork. if anyone > here is interested, drop me a line.... > > > Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of > course it will happen > and > > of course it is a progression. And no one can be > told which way it must > go. > > However, it's the people that define the > mood/vibe/whatever. And they > give > > rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, > though, that a happy > > full-on goa is only played at large parties. > > I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller > party too. I don't > think > > you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. > Plenty of dj's here, who > will > > play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and > we all know into which > > direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there > such a thing as wrong? I > > don't know. Only thing that I can tell you > objectively, is that I don't > like > > what is happening. I mean, it's great those > OmniTribe guys are doing > > somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just > don't. I don't think > they > > understand what's it all about. Or maybe they do, > but are just trying to > be > > original. > > > > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 5 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:32:28 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Re: Re: Prophecy > > the dmt will play lots and lots of goa this coming > year, as long as members > vote for djswho say they will play it > > > > > Message: 6 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:54:32 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Re: flaming shots > > In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > nmf24 at drexel writes: > > > What was in that shot again? > > > > Warms up your whole chest. > > > > that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think > flammable liquifd on top > > > > > Message: 7 From: "Jason Sannachan" > > Subject: RE: Re: flaming shots > > I'd rather rub tiger balm on my chest that stuff was > lethal and I think Shai > almost drinking it without the straw could've been > bad for his nasal hair. > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Machinelf > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:55 PM > To: nmf24 at drexel > > Subject: [NYC604] Re: flaming shots > > In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > nmf24 at drexel writes: > > What was in that shot again? > > Warms up your whole chest. > > that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think > flammable liquifd on top > > > >Lesh> > > > > Message: 8 From: nmf24 > Subject: RE: Re: flaming shots > > The top layer i believe was 151, i'm not sure what > the middle was. > > > Original Message From NYC604 > > >In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > >nmf24 at drexel writes: > > > >> What was in that shot again? > >> > >> Warms up your whole chest. > >> > > > >that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think > flammable liquifd on top > > > > Message: 9 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:13:38 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Re: Re: flaming shots > > top was bacardi 151 > middle was cream > bottom was kahlua > > they set the top on fire and you were to suck it > down quick with a straw > > > > > Message: 10 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:45:27 From: "Neil " > > Subject: Flaming shot party > > could be an interesting premise for a get-together, > all the shots are > flaming, first person to singe their eyebrows wins a > prize. > > -Neil > > > > Message: 11 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:48:49 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Re: Flaming shot party > > In a message dated 12/16/02 2:48:28 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > nmf24 at drexel writes: > > > could be an interesting premise for a > get-together, all the shots are > > flaming, first person to singe their eyebrows wins > a prize. > > > > -Neil > > my gf :-) > > > > > Message: 12 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:53:15 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: more amsterdam > > From: HREF"missrobin at psyzion missrobin at psyzion > > > i am so excited to hear this ~~~~ i am about to be > there 10 days ( leaving > next Wednesday)... and i have too many parties to > choose from (... either > way tho, i am staying with a local trancer and he > says the scene is the > absolute best.... so wether i decided the small > Finnish trance party or the > bigger more commercial.... i think ill be fine ) > WOOHOO > i will send reports ;-) > > any advice for an Amsterdam first timer, i would be > so abliged > > > > > Message: 13 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:14:43 EST From: XDreamer123 > Subject: Re: Re: Prophecy > > Jason, i'm not American. And yes, Fuck Europe ! > > > > > Message: 14 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:24:17 EST From: XDreamer123 > Subject: Re: Re: Prophecy > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project > style and stuff. Even > today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. > Hell, I'll dj if I have to. > But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, > new sounds. Scary sounds. > Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > > > > Message: 15 From: valerio zhyin > Subject: anybody know ocelot?????? > > could somebody give me aaron peacock's email..... > > thanx > > > > > Message: 16 From: ".serge" > Subject: RE: Re: Prophecy > > What's the point of comparing old style to the new? > It's the same thing > as comparing trance music of 1994 or old trance from > Goa to psy-trance > of 2000. If you want full-on melodic trance parties > in NYC then maybe > you should start promoting them yourself or at least > start DJing. Start > producing your own music. And I'm pretty sure you'll > have an audience. > :-) And stop pointing fingers at things that you > don't comprehend. Heh, > scary, dark?.. > I remember when locals of Washington Heights were > telling retarded > stories about "alien raves under the bridge" to FOX > News. Their > mentality made them perceive anything that was alien > and unknown to them > as a worship to devil or whatever other nonsense it > is that they told in > the news. Of course we all laugh at such idiocy. And > the more you keep > on arguing about somthing that is not to your like, > the more I want to > laugh at it. Don't waste your energy. > Remedy for bad trip. LOL > Same old Good trip - Bad trip babble? You really > believe that the trip > has to be defined as bad or good? There's just a > trip. Neither bad nor > good. If you keep dividing it into bad-good, then I > doubt that you're a > psychonaut? Same goes for the music. > > > > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project > style and stuff. > Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. > Hell, I'll dj if I > have to. But please, Minimal is about somthing > else. Yes, new sounds. > Scary sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad > trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > > > > > > Message: 17 From: "Robin Parham" > Subject: Trance > > if pics are not allowed on this list..... just lemme > know and i will refrain from using them... they just > a are attached to the quotes and poems, and they > seem fitting. > > THIS LEFT ME SPEECHLESS ;-) > > MissRobin > Hello ! We are some wanderers in the wheels of > eternity's ever-pulsating multiconnections. Captured > in the magnetic fields of the psychedelic supernova, > sharing body/dancevibes. > Let's explode, blend in the new world, > experience the adventure of the profound inner > silence, through the harmonics of trance ..... > > > > > Message: 18 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:23:11 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Fwd: from mimi > > In a message dated 12/16/02 9:06:32 PM Eastern > Standard Time, ELAFM writes: > > > From: ELAFM > > > > to all I respect, > > > > please try to make it to omnitribe this fri if you > can since this will be > > the last major trance party I go this year as I > will be leaving for japan > > before new year's eve. I'd like to share a night > of trance w/ all of you. I > > will be back in the end of january. > > > > Mizue > > > > > > _ 530 Subject: Holy New Years! From: icycoil https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /tourdetrance.html 531 Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:03:02 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Ingo V" it's great thoseOmniTribe guys are doing somthing, but I don't like their parties. I justdon't. I don't thinktheyunderstand what's it all about. i prefer certain styles over others too, but if you can't open your mind to diversity and appreciate talented artists, no matter what there style is, then you're missing the point. minimal and progressive tap into your brain in a different way than old-school goa. what you do with it is up to you.bad trips result from a closed mind and "fuck europe" attitudes. if you want to pop pills all night grinning to Holy Men then get together with your other raver friends and organize a party. 532 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" Heheheheheh classic Ingo. Jason Subtlechaos Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Ingo V [ingovee ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy it's great those OmniTribe guys are doing somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just don't. I don't think they understand what's it all about. i prefer certain styles over others too, but if you can't open your mind to diversity and appreciate talented artists, no matter what there style is, then you're missing the point. minimal and progressive tap into your brain in a different way than old-school goa. what you do with it is up to you. bad trips result from a closed mind and "fuck europe" attitudes. if you want to pop pills all night grinning to Holy Men then get together with your other raver friends and organize a party. _____ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* Lesh Heheheheheh classic Ingo. Jason Subtlechaos Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th str eet suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EX T 43 Js at studio distribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Ingo V [ingovee ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy it's great thoseOmniTribe guys are doing somthing, but I don't like their parties. I justdon't. I don't thinktheyunderstand what's it all about. i prefer certain styles over others too, but if you can't open your mind to diversity and appreciate talented artists, no matter what ther e style is, then you're missing the point. minimal and progressive ta p into your brain in a different way than old-school goa. what you do with it is up to you.bad trips result from a closed mind and & quot;fuck europe" attitudes. if you want to pop pills all night grinning to Holy Men then get together with your other raver friends and or ganize a party. Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* No lies, no , send an e Yah 533 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Trance From: icycoil Wow, that's sick! Would love to see that re-created on a large canvas hanging in UV light at a trance party. Thanks for sharing! :) In a message dated 12/16/2002 9:59:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, missrobin at psyzion writes: > if pics are not allowed on this list..... just lemme know and i will refrain from using them... they just a are attached > to the quotes and poems, and they seem fitting. > > THIS LEFT ME SPEECHLESS ;-) 534 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:12:36 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 Fuck Europe is not just an opinion. It is a poweful statement. And if you weren't one of the trance people, I would kick your ass. Simple as that, my European snobbish friend. Fuck Europe? Hell yeah !!! And by the way, what the fuck are you writing about? It's not just incoherent. It's moronic and redundant. All I wanted to say, is that I like beautiful music. I think everyone here knew what I meant. I mean, anyone who tried psychedelic substancs and music knows what a beautiful music is. Now, you dark mesonthrope that you are, must go on babbling about some Delta madness and shit like that. WHO CARES, JASON? HUH? WHO CARES, REALLY? Obviously we like different styles, yes, isn't that fucking obvious. So, you go on with your suicidal trance progression, and I'll just stay where I am. And don't say good bye, just go. We will never understand each other. Perhaps it's speaking English that confuses people. Fuck Europe is not just an opinion. It is a poweful statement. And if you weren't one of the trance people, I would kick your ass. Simple as that, my European snobbish friend. Fuck Europe? Hell yeah !!! And by the way, what the fuck are you writing about? It's not just incoherent. It's moronic and redundant. All I wanted to say, is that I like beautiful music. I think everyone here knew what I meant. I mean, anyone who tried psychedelic substancs and music knows what a beautiful music is. Now, you dark mesonthrope that you are, must go on babbling about some Delta madness and shit like that. WHO CARES, JASON? HUH? WHO CARES, REALLY? Obviously we like different styles, yes, isn't that fucking obvious. So, you go on with your suicidal trance progression, and I'll just stay where I am. And don't say good bye, just go. We will never understand each other. Perhaps it's speaking English that confuses people. 535 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Secret New Trance From: valerio zhyin a new style of trance???? i'm working on that as well....hehehehe 1.x-dream/midi miliz/spirallianz 2. 3 point turn/authentik 3.boo.reka/hujaboy 4.auricular/shiva chandra 5.lish 6.domestic 7.the cujorious one/tenka 8.triplex 9.pps project 10.zhyin a new style of trance???? i'm working on that as well....hehehehe 1.x-dream/midi miliz/spirallianz 2. 3 point turn/authentik 3.boo.reka/hujaboy 4.auricular/shiva chandra 5.lish 6.domestic 7.the cujorious one/tenka 8.triplex 9.pps project 10.zhyin 536 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:25:12 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 Hmm, do you like 70's Rock? Or Heavy Metal? Or how about Country? Oh, no??? Why not? Can't open your mind to different styles? Is that it? :) Now, just for the record, I'm not a raver and I don't take pills. And I know what minimal is and I've been to way too many OmniTribe events to know how it taps into my brain. "Fuck Europe" doesn't mean exactly fucking Europe. It's a little more and a little less than what it actually means. Read one of the Jason's replies to my posts and you'll know what I mean by that. Now, styles are styles and you don't argue about that. I mean, I heard a lot of different music and some of it I liked and some of it I didn't. Has nothing to do with being open or close minded. As for bad trips, hmm, just don't lecture me about those. G-d forbid you should experience what I have. Let me just tell you this, they do exist. :) Hmm, do you like 70's Rock? Or Heavy Metal? Or how about Country? Oh, no??? Why not? Can't open your mind to different styles? Is that it? :) Now, just for the record, I'm not a raver and I don't take pills. And I know what minimal is and I've been to way too many OmniTribe events to know how it taps into my brain. "Fuck Europe" doesn't mean exactly fucking Europe. It's a little more and a little less than what it actually means. Read one of the Jason's replies to my posts and you'll know what I mean by that. Now, styles are styles and you don't argue about that. I mean, I heard a lot of different music and some of it I liked and some of it I didn't. Has nothing to do with being open or close minded. As for bad trips, hmm, just don't lecture me about those. G-d forbid you should experience what I have. Let me just tell you this, they do exist. :) 537 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: valerio zhyin also, perhaps if it wasn't 4 goa gil, an american, there wouldn't b any goa trance either.... not 2 mention albert hoffman, timothy leary, terence mckenna, and the list goes on... Jason Sannachan wrote: Please allow me to expound. If it was not for Europe we would not have trance scene anywhere! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy YOU THINK SAYING FUCK EUROPE IS A WORTHY OPINION!!! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Just to make a purely linguistic observation here: I won't argue with either of your opinions about music, however it seems to me that Jason's writing is a lot more incoherent than the one that he calls a neanderthal and an ape. Why such anger at someone's opinion anyhow? :( >From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > >I was going to try and keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape like >comments down to single sentences as i did not want to immobilize your pea >size brain but you really are looking to get trashed arent you. >Wow you want full on Goa party do you same as it was in Goa maybe. >Did you goo to alot of gatherings in Goa did you spend time walking with the >sadhu maybe? >Listening to GMS psychedelic style with none of that minimal crap getting in >the way of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me on. >Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh yeah minimal is about somthing else???? what >type of crap i dont understand shite about music quote is that have you ever >been trippin so hard and listening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik with >1000 people all on the same buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp >to some mechanical psy-trance beatz for a good few hours before daylight >comes up and you throw on some nice morning sound................ >Xdreamer you are full of shit always have been always will be. > -----Original Message----- > From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. >Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have >to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary >sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > --- > > > > also, perhaps ifit wasn't 4 goa gil, an american, there wouldn't b any goa trance either.... not 2 mention albert hoffman, timothy leary, terence mckenna, and the list goes on... Jason Sannachan wrote: Please allow me to expound. If it was not for Europe we would not have trance scene anywhere! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-----From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ]Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:01 PMSubject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy YOU THINK SAYING FUCK EUROPE IS A WORTHY OPINION!!! Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-----From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ]Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:54 PMSubject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Just to make a purely linguistic observation here: I won't argue with either of your opinions about music, however it seems to me that Jason's writing is a lot more incoherent than the one thathe calls a neanderthal and an ape. Why such anger at someone's opinion anyhow? :(>From: "Jason Sannachan" >Reply- >To: >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > >I was going to try and keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape like >comments down to single sentences as i did not want to immobilize your pea >size brain but you really are looking to get trashed arent you. >Wow you want full on Goa party do you same as it was in Goa maybe. >Did you goo to alot of gatherings in Goa did you spend time walking with the >sadhu maybe? >Listening to GMS psychedelic style with none of that minimal crap getting in >the way of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me on. >Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh yeah minimal is about somthing else???? what >type of crap i dont understand shite about music quote is that have you ever >been trippin so hard and listening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik with >1000 people all on the same buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp >to some mechanical psy-trance beatz for a good few hours before daylight >comes up and you throw on some nice morning sound................ >Xdreamer you are full of shit always have been always will be. > -----Original Message----- > From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. >Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have >to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary >sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > --- > 538 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" You'll kick my ass? You are Neanderthal and here I was thinking assumption was the mother of all fuck up's that is exactly the attitude we don't need at family parties so you have my address come over and kick my ass or introduce yourself to me at a party And do it there maybe bring your BTS boys with you. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Fuck Europe is not just an opinion. It is a poweful statement. And if you weren't one of the trance people, I would kick your ass. Simple as that, my European snobbish friend. Fuck Europe? Hell yeah !!! And by the way, what the fuck are you writing about? It's not just incoherent. It's moronic and redundant. All I wanted to say, is that I like beautiful music. I think everyone here knew what I meant. I mean, anyone who tried psychedelic substancs and music knows what a beautiful music is. Now, you dark mesonthrope that you are, must go on babbling about some Delta madness and shit like that. WHO CARES, JASON? HUH? WHO CARES, REALLY? Obviously we like different styles, yes, isn't that fucking obvious. So, you go on with your suicidal trance progression, and I'll just stay where I am. And don't say good bye, just go. We will never understand each other. Perhaps it's speaking English that confuses people. Lesh Youll kic k my ass? You are Neandertha l and here I was thinking assumption was the mother of all fuck ups that is exactly the attitude we dont need at family parties so you h ave my address come over and kick my ass or introduce yourself to me at a p arty And do it there maybe bring your BTS boys with you. Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 716 1 EXT 43 Js at st udiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:13 PM at yahoogroups Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Fuck Europe is not just an opinion. It is a powef ul statement. And if you weren't one of the trance people, I would ki ck your ass. Simple as that, my European snobbish friend. Fuck Europe? Hell yeah !!! And by the way, what the fuck are you writing about? It's not just incoherent. It's moronic and redun dant. All I wanted to say, is that I like beautiful music. I th ink everyone here knew what I meant. I mean, anyone who tried psyched elic substancs and music knows what a beautiful music is. Now, you da rk mesonthrope that you are, must go on babbling about some Delta madness a nd shit like that. WHO CARES, JASON? HUH? WHO CARES, REALLY? Obviously we like different styles, yes, isn't that fucking obvious. So, you go on with your suicidal trance progression, and I'll jus t stay where I am. And don't say good bye, just go. We will nev er understand each other. Perhaps it's speaking English that confuses people. No li 539 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jessica" i completely agree. (except albert hofmann isn't american...) > > also, perhaps if it wasn't 4 goa gil, an american, there wouldn't b any goa trance either.... > not 2 mention albert hoffman, timothy leary, terence mckenna, and the list goes on... > Jason Sannachan wrote: > > Please allow me to expound. > > If it was not for Europe we would not have trance scene anywhere! > > Jason Sannachan > > Studio Distribution > > Chelsea Market > > 425 west 15th street > > suite 2r > > NY NY 10011 > > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > > Js at studiodistribution > '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:01 PM > > Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > YOU THINK SAYING FUCK EUROPE IS A WORTHY OPINION!!! > > Jason Sannachan > > Studio Distribution > > Chelsea Market > > 425 west 15th street > > suite 2r > > NY NY 10011 > > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > > Js at studiodistribution > '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:54 PM > > Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > Just to make a purely linguistic observation here: > > I won't argue with either of your opinions about music, however it seems to me that Jason's writing is a lot more incoherent than the one that he calls a neanderthal and an ape. Why such anger at someone's opinion anyhow? :( > > >From: "Jason Sannachan" > > >Reply- > > >To: > > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > > > > >I was going to try and keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape like > > >comments down to single sentences as i did not want to immobilize your pea > > >size brain but you really are looking to get trashed arent you. > > >Wow you want full on Goa party do you same as it was in Goa maybe. > > >Did you goo to alot of gatherings in Goa did you spend time walking with the > > >sadhu maybe? > > >Listening to GMS psychedelic style with none of that minimal crap getting in > > >the way of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me on. > > >Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh yeah minimal is about somthing else???? what > > >type of crap i dont understand shite about music quote is that have you ever > > >been trippin so hard and listening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik with > > >1000 people all on the same buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp > > >to some mechanical psy-trance beatz for a good few hours before daylight > > >comes up and you throw on some nice morning sound................ > > >Xdreamer you are full of shit always have been always will be. > > > -----Original Message--> > > From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] > > > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:24 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > > > > > > > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. > > >Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have > > >to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary > > >sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > > > > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee VirusScan Online > > > > > > > > > 540 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: kife --- XDreamer123 wrote: > As for bad trips, hmm, just don't lecture me about those. G-d forbid > you should experience what I have. Let me just tell you this, they do > exist. :) and with this, my friend, you've firmly entrenched yourself in the Psychedelic Poseurs' Hall of Fame. the rest of your nonsense notwithstanding. _ 541 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:40:46 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 LOL. Ok, that's enough. the foul year of our lord 2002. huh? That's what it all came down to. Tearing each other apart over some silly arguments. Yes, we deserve the fact that trance is dying in this city. We are simply not worth it anymore. I'll leave all the arguments on the subject to Jason. Good luck with him, guys. I'm sure he'll teach you about music. Peace LOL. Ok, that's enough. the foul year of our lord 2002. huh? That's what it all came down to. Tearing each other apart over some silly arguments. Yes, we deserve the fact that trance is dying in this city. We are simply not worth it anymore. I'll leave all the arguments on the subject to Jason. Good luck with him, guys. I'm sure he'll teach you about music. Peace 542 Subject: bad is good From: valerio zhyin i just want 2 mention that it's good sometimes 2 experience a bad trip...u can learn from them.... also, dark night time styles such as minimal/progressive r much more affective in breaking down your ego... once your ego is broken and u go thru a sort of psychic death, then u will b more open 2 "outside" information.... just remember 2 keep dancing thru the dark pathways of your trip..... and keep your mind blank...... boom!!!!!!!!!!! i just want 2 mention that it's good sometimes 2 experience a bad trip...u can learn from them.... also, dark night time styles such as minimal/progressiver much more affective in breaking down your ego... once your ego is broken and u go thru a sort of psychic death, then u will b more open 2 "outside" information.... just remember 2 keep dancing thru the dark pathways of your trip..... and keepyourmind blank...... boom!!!!!!!!!!! 543 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" What a well thought out reply from our hero in the blue corner ''XDREAMER'' I have nothing to teach anybody in New York about music we are all single minded people this is not a cult. But I am happy that you retorted earlier in such a fashion to myself I did learn somthing from you geezer. JUST INCLUDE YOU IN MY SPAM MAIL. Please enjoy your trip's as they come and go my friend as you breezed into this I am sure that one day one of your god forbidden trips will breeze you out again. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy LOL. Ok, that's enough. the foul year of our lord 2002. huh? That's what it all came down to. Tearing each other apart over some silly arguments. Yes, we deserve the fact that trance is dying in this city. We are simply not worth it anymore. I'll leave all the arguments on the subject to Jason. Good luck with him, guys. I'm sure he'll teach you about music. Peace Lesh What a well thou ght out reply from our hero in the blue corner ;XDREAMER’ ; I have nothing to teach anybody in New York about music we are all single minded people this is not a cult. But I am happy that you retorted earlier in such a fash ion to myself I did learn somthing from you geezer. JUST INCLUDE YOU IN MY SPAM MAIL. Please enjoy your trips as they come and go my friend as you breezed into t his I am sure that one day one of your god forbidden trips will breeze you out again. quot;E-mail Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-- From: XDreamer123 [m ailto:XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy LOL. Ok, that's enou gh. the foul year of our lord 2002. huh? That's what it al l came down to. Tearing each other apart over some silly arguments. Yes, we deserve the fact that trance is dying in this city. We are simply not worth it anymore. I'll leave all the arguments on the subject to Jason. Good luck with him, guys. I'm sure he 'll teach you about music. Peace m Yah 544 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:55:40 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 too much bile Jason. try more tea or somthing. too much bile Jason. try more tea or somthing. 545 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: valerio zhyin yep, he was swiss and L didn't make it 2 the states till 6 years after he discovered it.....but anyway, the psychedelic movement started in america..... Jessica wrote:i completely agree. (except albert hofmann isn't american...) > > also, perhaps if it wasn't 4 goa gil, an american, there wouldn't b any goa trance either.... > not 2 mention albert hoffman, timothy leary, terence mckenna, and the list goes on... > Jason Sannachan wrote: > > Please allow me to expound. > > If it was not for Europe we would not have trance scene anywhere! > > Jason Sannachan > > Studio Distribution > > Chelsea Market > > 425 west 15th street > > suite 2r > > NY NY 10011 > > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > > Js at studiodistribution > '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:01 PM > > Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > YOU THINK SAYING FUCK EUROPE IS A WORTHY OPINION!!! > > Jason Sannachan > > Studio Distribution > > Chelsea Market > > 425 west 15th street > > suite 2r > > NY NY 10011 > > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > > Js at studiodistribution > '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Mike _ [hobot1980 ] > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:54 PM > > Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > Just to make a purely linguistic observation here: > > I won't argue with either of your opinions about music, however it seems to me that Jason's writing is a lot more incoherent than the one that he calls a neanderthal and an ape. Why such anger at someone's opinion anyhow? :( > > >From: "Jason Sannachan" > > >Reply- > > >To: > > >Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > > > > >I was going to try and keep my reply's to your neanderthal almost ape like > > >comments down to single sentences as i did not want to immobilize your pea > > >size brain but you really are looking to get trashed arent you. > > >Wow you want full on Goa party do you same as it was in Goa maybe. > > >Did you goo to alot of gatherings in Goa did you spend time walking with the > > >sadhu maybe? > > >Listening to GMS psychedelic style with none of that minimal crap getting in > > >the way of beautiful music man............those melodies just turn me on. > > >Now lets see ....hmmm ohhh yeah minimal is about somthing else???? what > > >type of crap i dont understand shite about music quote is that have you ever > > >been trippin so hard and listening to Delta or Spirallianz or Authentik with > > >1000 people all on the same buzz moving the same way in a big tribal stomp > > >to some mechanical psy-trance beatz for a good few hours before daylight > > >comes up and you throw on some nice morning sound................ > > >Xdreamer you are full of shit always have been always will be. > > > -----Original Message--> > > From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] > > > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:24 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > > > > > > > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project style and stuff. > > >Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. Hell, I'll dj if I have > > >to. But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, new sounds. Scary > > >sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > > > > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee VirusScan Online > > > > > > > > > yep, he was swiss and L didn't make it 2 the states till 6 years after he discovered it.....but anyway, the psychedelic movement started in america..... Jessica wrote: 546 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jessica" indeed many thanks to tim and ken & co. i remember someone on another list actually argued that the psychedelic movement started in the UK. one of his primary examples was the Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour. yknow, the Magical Mystery Tour...a bunch of freaks on A driving around in a colorful bus. nice idea. however, not only was that 1967, which is quite a distance after the beginnings of the psychedelic movement...but the whole damn idea was ripped directly from ken & the merry pranksters who did the same thing in america in '64. real clever and original, those brits. ;) > > yep, he was swiss and L didn't make it 2 the states till 6 years after he discovered it.....but anyway, the psychedelic movement started in america..... > Jessica wrote:i completely agree. (except albert hofmann isn't american...) > > > > > also, perhaps if it wasn't 4 goa gil, an american, there wouldn't b any > goa trance either.... > > not 2 mention albert hoffman, timothy leary, terence mckenna, and the list > goes on... > > Jason Sannachan wrote: > > > > If it was not for Europe we would not have trance scene anywhere! > > 547 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:44:57 EST Subject: Dedicated to Trance From: XDreamer123 Remember when you were young You shone like the sun Shine on you crazy diamond Now there's a look in your eyes Like black holes in the sky Shine on you crazy diamond You were caught in the crossfire Of childhood and stardom Blown on the steel breeze Come on you target for faraway laughter Come on you stranger You legend You martyr And shine You reached for the secret too soon You cried for the moon Shine on you crazy diamond Threatened by shadows at night And exposed in the light Shine on you crazy diamond Well you wore out your welcome With random percision Rode on the steel breeze Come on you raver You seer of visions Come on you painter You piper You prisoner And shine Nobody knows where you are How near or how far Shine on you crazy diamond Pile on many more layers And I'll be joining you there Shine on you crazy diamond And we'll bask in the shadow Of yesterday's triumph Sail on the steel breeze Come on you boy child You winner and loser Come on you miner for truth and delusion And shine Remember when you were young You shone like the sun Shine on you crazy diamond Now there's a look in your eyes Like black holes in the sky Shine on you crazy diamond You were caught in the crossfire Of childhood and stardom Blown on the steel breeze Come on you target for faraway laughter Come on you stranger You legend You martyr And shine You reached for the secret too soon You cried for the moon Shine on you crazy diamond Threatened by shadows at night And exposed in the light Shine on you crazy diamond Well you wore out your welcome With random percision Rode on the steel breeze Come on you raver You seer of visions Come on you painter You piper You prisoner And shine Nobody knows where you are How near or how far Shine on you crazy diamond Pile on many more layers And I'll be joining you there Shine on you crazy diamond And we'll bask in the shadow Of yesterday's triumph Sail on the steel breeze Come on you boy child You winner and loser Come on you miner for truth and delusion And shine 548 Subject: beatledelia From: valerio zhyin well, that's just a bunch of nonsense with the beatles....wasn't timothy leary on that bus???? Jessica wrote:indeed many thanks to tim and ken & co. i remember someone on another list actually argued that the psychedelic movement started in the UK. one of his primary examples was the Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour. yknow, the Magical Mystery Tour...a bunch of freaks on A driving around in a colorful bus. nice idea. however, not only was that 1967, which is quite a distance after the beginnings of the psychedelic movement...but the whole damn idea was ripped directly from ken & the merry pranksters who did the same thing in america in '64. real clever and original, those brits. ;) > > yep, he was swiss and L didn't make it 2 the states till 6 years after he discovered it.....but anyway, the psychedelic movement started in america..... > Jessica wrote:i completely agree. (except albert hofmann isn't american...) > > > > > also, perhaps if it wasn't 4 goa gil, an american, there wouldn't b any > goa trance either.... > > not 2 mention albert hoffman, timothy leary, terence mckenna, and the list > goes on... > > Jason Sannachan wrote: > > > > If it was not for Europe we would not have trance scene anywhere! > > well, that's just a bunch of nonsense with the beatles....wasn't timothy leary on that bus???? Jessica wrote: 549 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] beatledelia From: "Jessica" no... the pranksters visited tim at milbrook when they were in NY. ken had a great idea of unifying the psychedelic movements of both coasts. things didn't quite work out that way. apparently tim (being used to a more quiet and meditative and shall we say, serious form of psychedelic exploration), was quite put off by the pranksters' loud, boisterous and iconoclastic form of psychedelic exploration. so the pranksters headed back for california after only a day with tim. a little sad, but there it is. > > well, that's just a bunch of nonsense with the beatles....wasn't timothy leary on that bus???? > Jessica wrote:indeed > many thanks to tim and ken & co. > > i remember someone on another list actually argued that the psychedelic > movement started in the UK. one of his primary examples was the Beatles' > Magical Mystery Tour. > yknow, the Magical Mystery Tour...a bunch of freaks on A driving around > in a colorful bus. nice idea. however, not only was that 1967, which is > quite a distance after the beginnings of the psychedelic movement...but the > whole damn idea was ripped directly from ken & the merry pranksters who did > the same thing in america in '64. > real clever and original, those brits. ;) > > > > > yep, he was swiss and L didn't make it 2 the states till 6 years after > he discovered it.....but anyway, the psychedelic movement started in > america..... > > > Jessica wrote:i completely agree. (except albert > hofmann isn't american...) > > > > > > > > also, perhaps if it wasn't 4 goa gil, an american, there wouldn't b any > > goa trance either.... > > > not 2 mention albert hoffman, timothy leary, terence mckenna, and the > list > > goes on... > > > Jason Sannachan wrote: > > > > > > If it was not for Europe we would not have trance scene anywhere! > > > > > > > 550 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: ".serge" Well said Vlad. You can't impress anybody here with your Bad Trip. So, you still didn't get the point of the lecture. -----Original Message--From: kife [rastacatt ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy --- XDreamer123 wrote: > As for bad trips, hmm, just don't lecture me about those. G-d forbid > you should experience what I have. Let me just tell you this, they do > exist. :) and with this, my friend, you've firmly entrenched yourself in the Psychedelic Poseurs' Hall of Fame. the rest of your nonsense notwithstanding. _ Clean {ms d-size:0; m n";} Well said Vlad. You cant impress anybody here with your Bad Trip. So, you s till didnt get the point of the lecture. -----Original Message--Fr om: kife [rastacatt ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Pro phecy --- XDreamer1 23 wrote: > As fo r bad trips, hmm, just don't lecture me about those. G-d forbid > you should experience what I have. Let me just tell you this, they do > exi st. :) and with t his, my friend, you've firmly entrenched yourself in the Psychedelic Poseurs' Hall of Fame. the r est of your nonsense notwith standing. _ now. : oups Terms of S ervice. 551 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: ".serge" Well said Vlad. To XDreamer (sorry Vlad) You can't impress anybody here with your Bad Trip. So, you still didn't get the point of the lecture. -----Original Message--From: kife [rastacatt ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy --- XDreamer123 wrote: > As for bad trips, hmm, just don't lecture me about those. G-d forbid > you should experience what I have. Let me just tell you this, they do > exist. :) and with this, my friend, you've firmly entrenched yourself in the Psychedelic Poseurs' Hall of Fame. the rest of your nonsense notwithstanding. _ DocumentEmai l MicrosoftInternetEx plorer4 /* Sty le Definitions */ s; rgin:0in; f ont-size:10.0pt; Well said Vlad. To XDreamer (sorry Vlad) You cant impress anybody here with your B ad Trip. So, you still didnt get the point of the lecture. -----Original Message--From: kife [rastacatt ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy --- XDreamer123 wrote : > As for bad trips, hmm , just don't lecture me about those. G-d forbid > you should experience what I have. Let me just tell you this, they do > exist. :) and with this, my friend, you've firmly entrenched yourself in the Psychedelic Poseurs' Hall of Fame. the rest of your nons ense notwithstanding. __ ______ now. http://mai lplus.yahoo No li 552 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" Low and behold finally Serge gets his 2 cent in:O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: .serge [serge at nygc] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Well said Vlad. To XDreamer (sorry Vlad) You can't impress anybody here with your Bad Trip. So, you still didn't get the point of the lecture. -----Original Message--From: kife [rastacatt ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy --- XDreamer123 wrote: > As for bad trips, hmm, just don't lecture me about those. G-d forbid > you should experience what I have. Let me just tell you this, they do > exist. :) and with this, my friend, you've firmly entrenched yourself in the Psychedelic Poseurs' Hall of Fame. the rest of your nonsense notwithstanding. _ Lesh Lesh M icrosoftInternetExplorer4 Low and behold finally Serge get s his 2 cent in:O) Signature" Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution C helsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 6 85 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: .serge [serge at nygc] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Well said Vla d. To XDreamer (sorry Vlad) You can̵ 7;t impress anybody here with your Bad Trip. So, you still didnt get the point of the lecture. -----Origin al Message--From: ki fe [rastacatt ] Se nt: Tuesday, Dec ember 17, 2002 3:31 PM To: NYC604gr oups Subject: Re: [N YC604] Re: Prophecy --- XDreame r123 wrote: > As for bad trips, hmm, just don't lec ture me about those. G-d forbid > you should experienwhat I have. Let me just tell you this, they do > exist. :) and with this, my friend, yo u've firmly entrenched yourself in the Psychedelic Poseurs' Ha ll of Fame. the rest of your nonsense notwithstanding. ___ _____ werful. Affordable. Sign up now. NYC604 553 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: ".serge" ;-P -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Low and behold finally Serge gets his 2 cent in:O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: .serge [serge at nygc] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Well said Vlad. To XDreamer (sorry Vlad) You can't impress anybody here with your Bad Trip. So, you still didn't get the point of the lecture. -----Original Message--From: kife [rastacatt ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy --- XDreamer123 wrote: > As for bad trips, hmm, just don't lecture me about those. G-d forbid > you should experience what I have. Let me just tell you this, they do > exist. :) and with this, my friend, you've firmly entrenched yourself in the Psychedelic Poseurs' Hall of Fame. the rest of your nonsense notwithstanding. _ . . Clean {mso-styl :0; mso-pag ;-P -----Original Message--From: Jason Sannachan [js at studiodistribution ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:05 PM To: NYC 604 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Low and behold finally Serge gets his 2 cent in:O) "E-mail Signature" Jason Sannach an Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 we st 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From : .serge [serge at nygc] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Well said Vlad. To XDreamer (s orry Vlad) You cant impress anybody here with your Bad Trip. So, you still didnt get the point of the le cture. -----Original Message--From: kife [rastaca tt ] Sent: Tue sday, December 17, 2002 3:31 PM To: NYC604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy --- XDreamer123 wrote: > As for bad trips, hmm, just don't lecture me abou t those. G-d forbid &g t; you should experience what I have. Let me just tell you this, they do > exist. :) and with this, my friend, you've firmly entrenched you rself in the Psychedelic Pos eurs' Hall of Fame. the rest of your nonsense notwithstanding. __ ______ . Affordable. Sign up now. event spam ps is subject to erms of Service. vent spam Yo ur use of 554 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:47:43 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: TrAnZid78 COULD YOU GUYS JUST EXCHANGE PHONE NUMBERS AND TAKE CARE OF THIS OUTSIDE OF THIS LIST. It just seems to me that we could be spending are time trying to bring life back into this city instead of creating drama and bullshit, I would hope that everyone agrees with me that are scene whatever you love about, whatever you dislike about, is definetly not about useless DRAMA, please your points have been made move on. COULD YOU GUYS JUST EXCHANGE PHONE NUMBERS AND TAKE CARE OF THIS OUTSIDE OF THIS LIST. It just seems to me that we could be spending are time trying to bring life back into this city instead of creating drama and bullshit, I would hope that everyone agrees with me that are scene whatever you love about, whatever you dislike about, is definetly not about useless DRAMA, please your points have been made move on. 555 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal & fri,break out, BREAK OUT,BREAKOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "lisa R" I couldn't agree more. If you're creating somthing and simultaneously worr ied whether it fits neatly into some category, what are you actually doing. Probably you have someone's work in mind that you are trying to emulate. That always, I repeat always, leads to mediocrity at best. Are people afra id that if parties are thrown without clearly defined genre labels That it will all fall apart? What makes me trip out the hardest is when someone fuc k with my head a little. Stop competing or comparing with Europe or anywher e else. This is New York, the music should be getting so crazy that we don' t know what To call it anymore. THEN all the big venues will open up again and everyone will be curious about what the hell is happening in NY. I hate to say it, it is a contradiction, at the same time,with the price of ticke ts at most parties, you're gunna get mostly bourgeois yuppies or drug deale rs. It's built into their mindset to have things orderly, well defined, predictable, categorized. (When you think like that all day, every day, the y're ain't no drug strong enough to break you out) The people you want at p arties are the crazy ass artists, musicians, poets, etc. who as the cliche' goes are usually broke, but could contribute greatly in terms of vibe, ins tallations, and general appreciation for when a dj takes a risk, even a big risk. Hey maybe the dj won't even play trance at all. They should be allow ed to be true shamans, instead of having to have their head cut off if they don't tow the company line. Well,then people have to worry about losing t he venue if they don't do what was advertised, club owners get upset, blah blah blah THAT IS the problem with this country. Everything needs to be nea tly packaged and sold. You want a true psychedelic (remember what that word used to represent, MIND EXPANSION!!!) movement, than yawl must absolutely rebel against all that. Otherwise it is phony bourgeois, and opportunistic. ----- Original Message --From: ig rai Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal & fri - Re:Re: Re: Re:Re: Re: Prophecy don't quite understand what the cr y is all about? there is music and some love it some don't. vibe is what ps y trance is all about. I remember many parties with only minimal music with happiest vibe ever. if you want diversity, I think omnitribe party this f riday has both goa and minimal djs plus reggae... fuck NYC for ignorance. --- NYC604 wrote: > o event spam > > > > > There are 18 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > 1. Re: Re: Prophecy From: "Jessica" 2. RE: spectra review From: "Jason Sannachan" > 3. RE: Re: P rophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" > 4. RE: Re: Prophecy From: "Jason Sannachan" > 5. Re: Re: Prophecy From: IsmokeDM T 6. Re: flaming shots From: Machinelf 7. RE: Re: flaming shots From: "Jason Sannachan" > 8. RE: Re: flaming shots Fro m: nmf24 9. Re: Re: flaming shots F rom: Machinelf 10. Flaming shot party From: "Ne il " > 11. Re: Flaming shot par ty From: Machinelf 12. more amsterdam From: Machinelf 13. Re: Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 14. Re: Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer 123 15. anybody know ocelot?????? From: valerio zhyin 16. RE: Re: Prophecy From: " .serge" 17. Trance From: "Robin Parham " > 18. Fwd: from mimi From: Is mokeDMT > > __ > __ > > Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:55: From: "Jessica" > Subject: Re: Re: Pro phecy > > bravo for speaking the truth. > i mourn for the lost days of up lifting goa...it's > part of the reason why i > haven't been to a party in this city in quite > awhile. the other reason? i > think much of the scene in this city is rife with > ego and a nasty sort of > megalomaniacal hierar chy...the likes of which i > haven't experienced in any > other city. it ma kes me sad. i don't feel that unity > of spirit that made > this beautiful scene what it once was. > > so here's the plan that i've been tossing aro und: > one day (hopefully much > sooner than later), when my life isn't cra zy busy > like it is, i'm going to > organize a party (perhaps not in NYC.. .but who > knows?) of Old Skool Goa > Only. no tunes after 1998 will be pla yed...and the > old delicious vibe will > be resurrected. this idea started as a joke response > to some minimal > progression thread on another list, but i got so > much off-list response that > it seems it's meant to be. dj s are coming out of the > woodwork. if anyone > here is interested, drop me a line.... > > > Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I me an, of > course it will happen > and > > of course it is a progression. An d no one can be > told which way it must > go. > > However, it's the people that define the > mood/vibe/whatever. And they > give > > rise to those m inimalistic tendencies. It is sad, > though, that a happy > > full-on goa is only played at large parties. > > I mean, I would love to listen to it a t a smaller > party too. I don't > think > > you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. > Plenty of dj's here, who > will > > play for free. Roc k-n-roll also progressed, and > we all know into which > > direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there > such a thing as wrong? I > > don't know . Only thing that I can tell you > objectively, is that I don't > like > > what is happening. I mean, it's great those > OmniTribe guys are doing > > somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just > don't. I don't thin k > they > > understand what's it all about. Or maybe they do, > but are j ust trying to > be > > original. > > > > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. > > > > _ > _ > > Message: 2 From: "Jason Sannachan" > > Subject: RE: spectra review > > Of course I was > afraid.............................. .... > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 wes t 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodi stribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Orig inal Message--> From: Machinelf > Se nt: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:58 PM > > Subje ct: [NYC604] spectra review > > the space was great, not too manypeople f illed > upstairs downstairs was > empty. > the danish were great, my favori te fx mike played > downstairs. > the people who work at club mundo are awe some. > jason was afraid to drink a flaming drink but shai > tried but spil led flaming > liquid all over the bar > the usual weirdos wylie and stefan were missing > > To unsub com > > Terms of Ser vice >Lesh> > [This message contai ned attachments] > > __ > __ > > Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 0 From: "Jason Sannachan" > Subject: RE: Re: Prophecy > > I cant believe you actually had the balls t o write > somthing like that must > be some kind of killer P.C.P trip you > Are on or somthing. > You want goa just go to party where you know they > are going to play your > full on atmospheric shit and quit complaining > About the other styles of psy-trance. > Referring to your quote ''and fuck Europe by the > way'' tut.tut what happened > did your trailer get towed ov er the weekend or > somthing''. > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Dis tribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: XDreamer123 at a ol > [XDreamer123 ] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 4:0 5 AM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of > course it will happen and > of course it is a progression. And no one can be > told which way i t must go. > However, it's the people that define the > mood/vibe/whatever. And they give > rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, > thou gh, that a happy > full-on goa is only played at large parties. > I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller > party too. I don't think > you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. Plenty > of dj's here, who will > play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and we > all know into which > direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there > such a thing as wrong ? I > don't know. Only thing that I can tell you > objectively, is that I don't > like what is happening. I mean, it's great those > OmniTribe guys are doing > somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just > don't. I don't think > they understand what's it all about. Or maybe they > do, but are just trying > to be original. > > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way. > > > You >Lesh> > [This message contained attachmen ts] > > _ > _ > > Message: 4 From: "Jason Sannachan" > > Subject: RE: Re: Prophecy > > Jessica if you want to do party with tunes from > before 1998 give me a call > > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > > -----Original Message--> From: Jessica [jessw at mindspring. com] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > > bravo for speaking the truth. > i mourn for the lost days of uplifting goa...it's > part of the reason why i > haven't been to a party in this city in quite > awhile. the other reas on? i > think much of the scene in this city is rife with > ego and a nasty sort of > megalomaniacal hierarchy...the likes of which i > haven't experi enced in any > other city. it makes me sad. i don't feel that unity > of sp irit that made > this beautiful scene what it once was. > > so here's the plan that i've been tossing around: > one day (hopefully much > sooner tha n later), when my life isn't crazy busy > like it is, i'm going to > organi ze a party (perhaps not in NYC...but who > knows?) of Old Skool Goa > Only. no tunes after 1998 will be played...and the > old delicious vibe will > b e resurrected. this idea started as a joke response > to some minimal > pro gression thread on another list, but i got so > much off-list response that > it seems it's meant to be. djs are coming out of the > woodwork. if anyo ne > here is interested, drop me a line.... > > > Fuck Minima lism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of > course it will happen > and > > of course it is a progression. And no one can be > told which way it must > go. > > However, it's the people that define the > mood/vibe/whatever. And they > give > > rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad, > thoug h, that a happy > > full-on goa is only played at large parties. > > I mean , I would love to listen to it at a smaller > party too. I don't > think > > you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. > Plenty of dj's here, wh o > will > > play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and > we all know into which > > direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there > such a thing as wrong? I > > don't know. Only thing that I can tell you > objecti vely, is that I don't > like > > what is happening. I mean, it's great tho se > OmniTribe guys are doing > > somthing, but I don't like their parties . I just > don't. I don't think > they > > understand what's it all about . Or maybe they do, > but are just trying to > be > > original. > > > > p. s. and fuck Europe, by the way. > > > > > > ct to > > _____ ____ > _____ ____ > > Message: 5 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:32:28 EST From: Machinelf > Subject : Re: Re: Prophecy > > the dmt will play lots and lots of goa this coming > year, as long as members > vote for djswho say they will play it > > > > ____ _____ > ____ _____ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:54:32 EST From: Machinelf > Subjec t: Re: flaming shots > > In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > nmf24 at drexel writes: > > > What was in that shot again? > > > > Warms up your whole chest. > > > > that was a B51, kah lua, and somthing, i think > flammable liquifd on top > > [This mess age contained attachments] > > ______ ___ > ______ ___ > > Message: 7 Date: Mon, 16 From: "Jason Sannachan" > > Subject: RE: Re: flaming shots > > I'd rather rub tiger balm on my chest that stuff was > lethal and I think Shai > almost drinking it wit hout the straw could've been > bad for his nasal hair. > > Jason Sannacha n > Studio Distribution > Chelsea Market > 425 west 15th street > suite 2r > NY NY 10011 > 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > > -----Original Message--> From: Machinelf > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:55 PM > To: nmf24 at drexel > > Subject: [NYC604] Re: flaming shots > > In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Ea stern > Standard Time, > nmf24 at drexel writes: > > What was in that shot again? > > Warms up your whole chest. > > that was a B51 , kahlua, and somthing, i think > flammable liquifd on top > > No lies an e > >Lesh> > > > > > Message: 8 From: nmf 24 > Subject: RE: Re: flaming shots > > The top layer i believe was 151, i'm not sure what > the middle was. > > >3D 3D3D3D3D Original Message From NYC604 > 3D3D3D3D3D > >In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > >nmf2 4 at drexel writes: > > > >> What was in that shot again? > >> > >> Warms up your whole chest. > >> > > > >that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i t hink > flammable liquifd on top > > _ > _ > > Message: 9 Date: Mon , 16 Dec 2002 14:13:38 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Re: Re: flaming shots > > top was bacardi 151 > middle was cream > bottom was kah lua > > they set the top on fire and you were to suck it > down quick wit h a straw > > > ____ ___ > ____ ___ > Message: 10 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:45:27 From: "Neil " > > Subject: Flaming shot party > > c ould be an interesting premise for a get-together, > all the shots are > flaming, first person to singe their eyebrows wins a > prize. > > -Neil > > > ______ ___ > ______ ___ > > Message: 11 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:48:49 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Re: Flaming shot party > > In a messag e dated 12/16/02 2:48:28 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > nmf24 at drexel w rites: > > > could be an interesting premise for a > get-together, all th e shots are > > flaming, first person to singe their eyebrows wins > a pr ize. > > > > -Neil > > my gf :-) > > [This message contained atta chments] > > ___ ______ > ___ ______ > > Message: 12 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:53:15 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: more amsterdam > > From: HREF3D"missrobin at psyzion missrobin at psyzion > > i am so excited to hear this ~~~~ i am about to be > there 10 days ( leaving > next Wednesday)... and i have too many parties to > choose from 3D(... either > way tho, i am staying with a local trancer and he > say s the scene is the > absolute best.... so wether i decided the small > Fi nnish trance party or the > bigger more commercial.... i think ill be fin e 3D) > WOOHOO > i will send reports ;-) > any advice for an Amster dam first timer, i would be > so abliged > > [This message contai ned attachments] > > __ > __ > > Message: 13 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:14:43 EST From: XDreamer123 > Subject: Re: Re: Prophecy > > Jason, i'm not American. And yes, Fuck Europe ! > > [This mess age contained attachments] > > ______ ___ > ______ ___ > > Message: 14 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:24:17 EST From: XDreamer123 > Subject: Re: Re: Pr ophecy > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project > style a nd stuff. Even > today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. > Hell , I'll dj if I have to. > But please, Minimal is about somthing else. Yes, > new sounds. Scary sounds. > Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > [This message con tained attachments] > > ______ ___ > ______ ___ > > Message: 15 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 20 From: valerio zhyin > Subj ect: anybody know ocelot?????? > > could somebody give me aaron peaco ck's email..... > > thanx > > > [This m essage contained attachments] > > ___ ______ > ___ ______ > > Message: 16 Date: Mon, From: ".serge" > Subject: RE: Re: Prophecy > > What's the point of comparing old style to the new? > It's the same thing > as comparing trance music of 1994 or old trance fr om > Goa to psy-trance > of 2000. If you want full-on melodic trance partie s > in NYC then maybe > you should start promoting them yourself or at leas t > start DJing. Start > producing your own music. And I'm pretty sure you' ll > have an audience. > :-) And stop pointing fingers at things that you > don't comprehend. Heh, > scary, dark?.. > I remember when locals of Washi ngton Heights were > telling retarded > stories about "alien raves under th e bridge" to FOX > News. Their > mentality made them perceive anything that was alien > and unknown to them > as a worship to devil or whatever other nonsense it > is that they told in > the news. Of course we all laugh at su ch idiocy. And > the more you keep > on arguing about somthing that is not to your like, > the more I want to > laugh at it. Don't waste your energy. > Remedy for bad trip. LOL > Same old Good trip - Bad trip babble? You r eally > believe that the trip > has to be defined as bad or good? There's j ust a > trip. Neither bad nor > good. If you keep dividing it into bad-good , then I > doubt that you're a > psychonaut? Same goes for the music. > > > > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project > style and stuff. > Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. > Hell, I'll dj if I > have to. But please, Minimal is about somthing > el se. Yes, new sounds. > Scary sounds. Basically, a great remedy for a bad > trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~ > > > [This message contained attachments] > > __ > __ > > Message: 17 Date: Mon From: "Robin Parham" > Subject: Trance > > if pics are not allowed on this list..... just lemme > know and i will refrain from using them... they just > a are attach ed to the quotes and poems, and they > seem fitting. > > THIS LEFT ME SPEECHLESS ;-) > > MissRobin > Hello ! We are some wanderers in the wheels of > eternity's ev er-pulsating multiconnections. Captured > in the magnetic fields of the psy chedelic supernova, > sharing body/dancevibes. > Let's expl ode, blend in the new world, > experience the adventure of the profound inn er > silence, through the harmonics of trance ..... > > > _ > _ > > Message: 18 D ate: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:23:11 EST From: Machinelf > Subject: Fwd: from mimi > > In a message dated 12/16/02 9:06:32 PM Eastern > Stand ard Time, ELAFM writes: > > > From: ELAFM > > > > > to all I respect, > > > > please try to make it to omnitribe this fri if yo u > can since this will be > > the last major trance party I go this year as I > will be leaving for japan > > before new year's eve. I'd like to share a night > of trance w/ all of you. I > > will be back in the end of january. > > > > Mizue > > [This message contained attachments ] > > ___ ______ > ___ ______ > ______ __ gn up now. event spam NYC604-unsubs cribe http://doc I couldn't agree more. If you're creating somthing and simultaneously worried whether it fits neatly into some category, what are you actually doing. Probably you have someone's work in mind that you are trying t o emulate. That always, I repeat always, leads to mediocrity at best. Are people afraid that if parties are thrown without clear ly defined genre labels That it will all fall apart? What makes me trip out the hardest iswhen someonefuck withmy head a little. Stop competing or comparing with Europe or an ywhere else. This is New York, the music should be getting so cr azy that we don't know what To call it anymore. THEN all the big venues will open up again and everyone will be curious about what the hell is happening in NY. I hate to say it, it is a contradiction, at the same time,with the price of tickets a t most parties, you're gunna get mostly bourgeois yuppies or dru g dealers. It's built into their mindset to have things orderly , well defined, predictable, categorized. (When you think like that all day, every day, they're ain't no drug strong enough to break you out) The people you want at parties are the crazy ass artists, musicians, poets, etc. who as the cliche' goes are usua lly broke, but could contribute greatly in terms of vibe, instal lations, and general appreciation for when a dj takes a risk, ev en a big risk. Hey maybe the dj won't even play trance at all. They should be allowed to be true shamans, instead of having to h ave their head cut off if they don't tow the company line. Well,then people have to worry about losing the venue if they don't do what was advertised, club owners get upset, blah blah blah THAT IS the problem with this country. Everything needs to be neatly packaged and sold. You want a true psychedelic (re member what that word used to represent, MIND EXPANSION!!!) move ment, than yawl must absolutely rebel against all that. Otherwis e it is phonybourgeois, and opportunistic. ----- Original Message ----- From: ig ra i Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:11 PM groups Subject: [NYC604] go a vs. minimal & fri - Re:Re: Re: Re:Re: Re: Prophecy don't quite understand what the cry is all about?there is music an d some love it some don't.vibe is what psy trance is all about. I remem ber manyparties with only minimal music with happiest vibeever. if you want diversity, I think omnitribe party thisfriday has both ail to:> >------------- ; There are 18 messages in this issue.> > Topics in this dige st:> > 1. Re: Re: Prophec y> From: "Jessica" > 2. RE: spectra review> From: "Jason Sannachan > 3. R E: Re: Prophecy> From: "Jason Sannachan > 4. RE: Re: Prophecy&g t; From: "Jason Sannachan > 5. Re: Re: Prophecy> From: Machinelf > 6. Re: flaming shots> From: IsmokeDM T > 7. RE: Re: flaming sh ots> From: "Jason Sannachan > ; 8. RE: Re: flaming shots> From: nmf24 & lt;nmf24 at drexel>> 9. Re: Re: flaming shots> From: Machinelf> 10. Flaming shot party> From: "Neil < ;nmf24 at drexel>> 11. Re: Flaming shot party> From: Machinelf> 12 . more amsterdam> From: Machinelf> 13. Re: Re: Prophecy> From: XDreamer123 > 14. Re: Re: Prophecy> From: XDreamer123 > 15. anybody know ocelot??????> From: valerio zhyin > 16. RE: Re: Prop hecy> From: ".serge" > 17. Trance> From: "Robin Parham > 18. Fwd: from mimi> From: IsmokeDMT . com> > > __>_____ ____> > Message: 1> e: Prophecy> > bravo for speaking the truth.> i mourn for the lost days of uplifting goa...it's> part of the reason why i> haven't been to a party in this city in quite> awhile. the o ther reason? i> think much of the scene in this city is rife with> ego and a nasty sort of> megalomaniacal hierarchy...the likes of which i> haven't experienced in any> other city. it makes me sad. i don't feel that unity> of spirit that made> this be autiful scene what it once was.> > so here's the plan that i' ve been tossing around:> one day (hopefully much> sooner than later), when my life isn't crazy busy> like it is, i'm going to > organize a party (perhaps not in NYC...but who> knows?) of Old Skool Goa> Only. no tunes after 1998 will be played...and the> ; old delicious vibe will> be resurrected. this idea started as a jo ke response> to some minimal> progression thread on another l ist, but i got so> much off-list response that> it seems it's meant to be. djs are coming out of the> woodwork. if anyone> here is interested, drop me a line....> > > > > > Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of> course it will happen> and> > of course it is a pro gression. And no one can be> told which way it must> go .> > However, it's the people that define the> mood/vibe/w hatever. And they> give> > rise to those minimalisti c tendencies. It is sad,> though, that a happy> > fu ll-on goa is only played at large parties.> > I mean, I would lov e to listen to it at a smaller> party too. I don't> thi nk> > you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. > Plent y of dj's here, who> will> > play for free. Rock-n-r oll also progressed, and> we all know into which> > direct ion. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there> such a thing as wrong? I> > don't know. Only thing that I can tell you> objectively, is that I don't> like> > what is happe ning. I mean, it's great those> OmniTribe guys are doing&g t; > somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just> don 't. I don't think> they> > understand what's it all about. Or maybe they do,> but are just trying to> be> > original.> >> > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way.> >> > > >____ _____>__ > > Message: 2> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:49:16 Of course I was> afraid..................................> > Jason Sannachan> Studio Distribution> Chelsea Market> 425 west 15th street> suite 2r> NY NY 10011> 1 212 685 7161 EXT 43> Js at studiodistribution > '' DILLIGAFF''> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> Fro m: Machinelf> Sent: Sunday, Decem ber 15, 2002 11:58 PM> > Subject: [ NYC604] spectra review> > the space was great, not too manype ople filled> upstairs downstairs was> empty.> the dani sh were great, my favorite fx mike played> downstairs.> the p eople who work at club mundo are awesome.> jason was afraid to drink a flaming drink but shai> tried but spilled flaming> liquid oogroups > > the gt; > > >______ ___>____ _____> > Message: 3> lly had the balls to write> somthing like that must> be some kind of killer P.C.P trip you> Are on or somthing.> You wan t goa just go to party where you know they> are going to play your> full on atmospheric shit and quit complaining> About the othe r styles of psy-trance.> Referring to your quote ''and fuck Europe b y the> way'' tut.tut what happened> did your trailer get towe d over the weekend or> somthing''.> > > &g t; Jason Sannachan> Studio Distribution> Chelsea Market&g t; 425 west 15th street> suite 2r> NY NY 10011> 1212 6 85 7161 EXT 43> Js at studiodistribution > '' DILLIGAFF''> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: XD reamer123 > [XDreamer123 ]> Sent: Monday , December 16, 2002 4:05 AM> > Subj ect: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy> > Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of> course it will happen and> of course it is a progression. And no one can be> told which w ay it must go.> However, it's the people that define the> moo d/vibe/whatever. And they give> rise to those minimalistic ten dencies. It is sad,> though, that a happy> full-on goa is only played at large parties.> I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller> party too. I don't think> you need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. Plenty> of dj's here, who wil l> play for free. Rock-n-roll also progressed, and we> all know into which> direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there> such a thing as wrong? I> don't know. Onl y thing that I can tell you> objectively, is that I don't> li ke what is happening. I mean, it's great those> OmniTribe guys are doing> somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just> don't. I don't think> they understand what's it all ab out. Or maybe they> do, but are just trying> to be orig inal.> > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way.> ---> rms of Service> .> > > > > >_ _>______ Jason Sannachan > Subject: RE: Re: Prophecy> > Jessica if you want to do party with tun es from> before 1998 give me a call> > Jason Sannachan > Studio Distribution> Chelsea Market> 425 west 15th s treet> suite 2r> NY NY 10011> 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 > Js at studiodistribution > '' DILLIGAFF''> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Jessica [jess w at mindspring ]> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 8:56 AM> T o: NYC604> Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy> ; > bravo for speaking the truth.> i mourn for the lost days of uplifting goa...it's> part of the reason why i> haven't be en to a party in this city in quite> awhile. the other reason? i > think much of the scene in this city is rife with> ego and a na sty sort of> megalomaniacal hierarchy...the likes of which i> haven't experienced in any> other city. it makes me sad. i don't fe el that unity> of spirit that made> this beautiful scene what it once was.> > so here's the plan that i've been tossing ar ound:> one day (hopefully much> sooner than later), when my l ife isn't crazy busy> like it is, i'm going to> organize a pa rty (perhaps not in NYC...but who> knows?) of Old Skool Goa> Only. no tunes after 1998 will be played...and the> old delicious vi be will> be resurrected. this idea started as a joke response> ; to some minimal> progression thread on another list, but i got so> much off-list response that> it seems it's meant to be. djs are coming out of the> woodwork. if anyone> here is intereste d, drop me a line....Fuck Minimalism. Fuck all this shit. I mean, of> course it w ill happen> and> > of course it is a progression. An d no one can be> told which way it must> go.> > How ever, it's the people that define the> mood/vibe/whatever. And they> give> > rise to those minimalistic tendencies. It is sad,> though, that a happy> > full-on goa is only played at large parties.> > I mean, I would love to listen to it at a smaller> party too. I don't> think> > yo u need big Israeli acts to play it for ya. > Plenty of dj's here, wh o> will> > play for free. Rock-n-roll also progresse d, and> we all know into which> > direction. Was it wrong? I don't know. Is there> such a thing as wrong? I> ; > don't know. Only thing that I can tell you> objectively , is that I don't> like> > what is happening. I mean , it's great those> OmniTribe guys are doing> > somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just> don't. I don't think> they> > understand what's it all about. Or ma ybe they do,> but are just trying to> be> > origina l.> >> > p.s. and fuck Europe, by the way.> > nt spam> > N s is subject to > > >_____ ____>___ ______> > Message: 5> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:32:28 EST> From: Machinelf> Subject: Re: Re: Prophecy> > the dm t will play lots and lots of goa this coming> year, as long as membe rs > vote for djswho say they will play it> > > > > & gt;___ ____>___ ______> > Message: 6> Date: M on, 16 Dec 2002 13:54:32 EST> From: IsmokeDMT . com> Subject: Re: flaming shots> > In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern> Standard Time, > nmf24 at drexel.ed u writes:> > > What was in that shot again?> > > > Warms up your whole chest.> > > > that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think> flammable liquifd on top > > > > > >______ ___>____ _____> > Message: 7> Subject: RE: Re: flaming shots> > I'd rather rub tiger balm on my chest that stuff was> lethal and I think Shai> almost d rinking it without the straw could've been> bad for his nasal hair.> > Jason Sannachan> Studio Distribution> Chelse a Market> 425 west 15th street> suite 2r> NY NY 10011> 1212 685 7161 EXT 43> Js at studiodistribution > '' DILLIGAFF''> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Machinelf> Sent: Mond ay, December 16, 2002 1:55 PM> To: nmf24 at drexel> Cc: nyc6 04 > Subject: [NYC604] Re: flaming shots> > In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern> Standard Time,> nmf24 at drexel writes:> > > > What wa s in that shot again?> > Warms up your whole chest.> > > that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think> fla event spam> > tained attachments]> > > >___ ______>_ _> > Message: 8> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:13:53 t; Subject: RE: Re: flaming shots> > The top layer i believe was 151, i'm not sure what> the middle was.> > > ; > >3D3D3D3D3D Original Message From NYC604 > 3D3D3D3D3D> >In a message dated 12/16/02 1:53:47 PM Eastern> Standard Time,> >nmf24 at drexel writes:> ; >> >> What was in that shot again?> >>&g t; >> Warms up your whole chest.> >>> >> ; >that was a B51, kahlua, and somthing, i think> flammable liqu ifd on to > > >_____ ____>___ ______> > Me ssage: 9> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:13:38 EST& gt; From: Machinelf> Subject: Re: Re: flam ing shots> > top was bacardi 151> middle was cream > bottom was kahlua> > they set the top on fire and you we re to suck it> down quick with a straw> > > [Th is message contained attachments]> > > >___ ____&g t;____ ___> > Message: 10> Date: Mon, 16 De c 2002 19:45:27 > From: "Neil > Subject: Flaming shot p arty> > could be an interesting premise for a get-together,> all the shots are > flaming, first person to singe their eyeb rows wins a> prize.> > -Neil> > > >______ ___>____ _____> > Message: 11> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:48:49 EST> From: IsmokeD MT > Subject: Re: Flaming shot party> > In a me ssage dated 12/16/02 2:48:28 PM Eastern> Standard Time, > nmf 24 at drexel writes:> > > could be an interesting premise for a> get-together, all the shots are > > flaming, first person to singe their eyebrows wins> a prize.> > > > -Neil> > my gf :-)> > > [This mess age contained attachments]> > > >___ ______>_ ______ > > Message: 12> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:53:15 EST> From: Machinelf> Subj ect: more amsterdam> > From: >HRE F3D"missrobin at psyzion missrobin at psyzion &g t; > > i am so excited to hear this ~~~~ i am about to be> there 10 days ( leaving > next Wednesday)... and i have too many parties to> choose from 3D(... either > way tho, i am staying with a local trancer and he> says the scene is the > absolute best.... so wether i decided the small> Finni sh trance party or the > bigger more commercial.... i think ill be f ine 3D) > WOOHOO> i will send reports ;-)> > any advice for an Amsterdam first timer, i would be> so abliged > > > > > > >____ _____>__ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:14:43 EST> From: XDreamer123 > Subject: Re: Re: Prophecy&g t; > Jason, i'm not American. And yes, Fuck Europe ! > > > &g t; > >__ > __> > Message: 14> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:24:17 EST> Fr om: XDreamer123 > Subject: Re: Re: Prophecy> > Yes, full on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project> style and stuff. Even > today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful mu sic. > Hell, I'll dj if I have to. > But please, Minima l is about somthing else. Yes,> new sounds. Scary sound s. > Basically, a great remedy for a bad trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~> > > > > >__ _____>__ > > Message: 15> Date: rio zhyin > Subject: anybody know ocelot??? ???> > > could somebody give me aaron peacock's email. ....> > thanx> > > > ------------ s]> > > >______ ___>____ _____> > Message: 1 Re: Prophecy> > What's the point of comparing old style to t he new?> It's the same thing> as comparing trance music of 19 94 or old trance from> Goa to psy-trance> of 2000. If you wan t full-on melodic trance parties> in NYC then maybe> you shou ld start promoting them yourself or at least> start DJing. Start > producing your own music. And I'm pretty sure you'll> have an a udience.> :-) And stop pointing fingers at things that you > don't comprehend. Heh,> scary, dark?..> I remember when locals of Washington Heights were> telling retarded> stories about "alien raves under the bridge" to FOX> News. Their> men tality made them perceive anything that was alien> and unknown to th em> as a worship to devil or whatever other nonsense it> is t hat they told in> the news. Of course we all laugh at such idiocy. A nd> the more you kee on arguing about somthing that is not to your like,> the more I want to> laugh at it. Don't waste your energy.> Remedy for bad trip. LOL> Same old Good trip - Bad trip babble? You really> believe that the trip&g t; has to be defined as bad or good? There's just a> trip. Neither b ad nor> good. If you keep dividing it into bad-good, then I> doubt that you're a> psychonaut? Same goes for the music. > > >> >> >> > Yes, fu ll on goa party. Good old tunes. Sun Project> style and stuff. > Even today's GMS is good. I mean, beautiful music. > Hell, I'll dj if I> have to. But please, Minimal is about some thing> else. Yes, new sounds.> Scary sounds. Basi cally, a great remedy for a bad> trip. Sad. > > Psychedelic Boyscout :)~> > > > > > > >_ _>______ "Robin Parham" > Subject: Trance> ; > if pics are not allowed on this list..... just lemme> kno w and i will refrain from using them... they just> a are attached to the quotes and poems, and they> seem fitting.> > > THIS LEFT ME SPEECHLESS ;-)> > > > MissRob inHello ! > We are some wanderer s in the wheels of> eternity's ever-pulsating multiconnections. Capt ured> in the magnetic fields of the psychedelic supernova,> s haring body/dancevibes. > > > Let's explode, blend in the new world,> experience the a dventure of the profound inner> silence, through the harmonics of tr ance ..... > > > > ; > > > > _ _>______ ___> > Message: 18> Da te: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:23:11 EST> From: IsmokeDMT > Subject: Fwd: from mimi> > In a message date d 12/16/02 9:06:32 PM Eastern> Standard Time, ELAFM writes:> > > From: ELAFM> gt; > to all I respect,> ; > > > please try to make it to omnitribe this fri if you > can since this will be > > the last major trance party I go this year as I> will be leaving for japan > > before new y ear's eve. I'd like to share a night> of trance w/ all of you. I > > will be back in the end of january.> > > > M izue> > > > [This message contained attachments ]> > > > __>_____ ____> > > > > http://docs.yahoo.co m/info/terms/ > > ___ e-No late fees! Try Netflix for FREE!http://us.click.yahoo /XfSp7B/X vent spamNYC604-un subscribe h 556 Subject: Mr. Whitman From: Allen Weber Whalt Whitman said. There is a time we must, "Wash the gum from our eyes and dress ourselves for the dazzle of the light" He looked at men and women struggling with their live and said. "Long have you timidly waded holding a plank by the shore, now i will to be a bold swimmer, to jump off into the midst of the sea, rise agin, nod to me, shout! and laughingly dash with your hair." at ((en Whalt Whitman said. There is a time we must, "Wash the gum from our eyes and dress ourselves for the dazzle of the light" He looked at men and women struggling with their live and said. 557 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "vda(omnitribe)" i have no idea about what's it all about just trying to have a good time Ingo V wrote: > > it's great those OmniTribe guys are doing somthing, but I don't like > their parties. I just don't. I don't think they understand what's it > all about. > > i prefer certain styles over others too, but if you can't open your > mind to diversity and appreciate talented artists, no matter what > there style is, then you're missing the point. minimal and > progressive tap into your brain in a different way than old-school > goa. what you do with it is up to you. bad trips result from a > closed mind and "fuck europe" attitudes. if you want to pop pills all > night grinning to Holy Men then get together with your other raver > friends and organize a party. > > > > > > i have no idea about what's it all about just trying to have a good time Ingo V wrote: it's great those OmniTribe guys are doing somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just don't. I don't think they understand what's it all about. i prefer certain styles over others too, but if you can't open your mind to diversity and appreciate talented artists, no matter what there style is, then you're missing the point. minimal and progressive tap into your brain in a different way than old-school goa. what you do with it is up to you. bad trips result from a closed mind and "fuck europe" attitudes. if you want to pop pills all night grinning to Holy Men then get together with your other raver friends and organize a party. Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* 558 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Lesh" do enlighten those of us who are not fortunate ? what IS it all about ? Ingo V wrote: it's great those OmniTribe guys are doing som ething, but I don't like their parties. I just don't. I don't think they understand what's it all about. doenl ighten those of us who are not fortunate ? what IS it all about ? Ingo V wrot e: it's great those OmniTribe guys are doing somthing, but I don't l ike their parties. I just don't. I don't think they unders tand what's it all about. 559 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: Margo Korableva What is BTS? Jason Sannachan wrote: Youll kick my ass? You are Neanderthal and here I was thinking assumption was the mother of all fuck ups that is exactly the attitude we dont need at family parties so you have my address come over and kick my ass or introduce yourself to me at a party And do it there maybe bring your BTS boys with you. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy Fuck Europe is not just an opinion. It is a poweful statement. And if you weren't one of the trance people, I would kick your ass. Simple as that, my European snobbish friend. Fuck Europe? Hell yeah !!! And by the way, what the fuck are you writing about? It's not just incoherent. It's moronic and redundant. All I wanted to say, is that I like beautiful music. I think everyone here knew what I meant. I mean, anyone who tried psychedelic substancs and music knows what a beautiful music is. Now, you dark mesonthrope that you are, must go on babbling about some Delta madness and shit like that. WHO CARES, JASON? HUH? WHO CARES, REALLY? Obviously we like different styles, yes, isn't that fucking obvious. So, you go on with your suicidal trance progression, and I'll just stay where I am. And don't say good bye, just go. We will never understand each other. Perhaps it's speaking English that confuses people. In Trance We Trust What is BTS? Jason Sannachan wrote: Youll kick my ass? You are Neanderthal and here I was thinking assumption was the mother of all fuck ups that is exactly the attitude we dont need at family parties so you have my address come over and kick my ass or introduce yourself to me at a party And do it there maybe bring your BTS boys with you. Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message-----From: XDreamer123 [XDreamer123 ]Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:13 PMSubject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy 560 Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:01:27 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: "Ingo V" please don't associate me with this quote. the bold text is pasted from a previous email and I was merely responding with a smart-ass comment to this nonsense. >From: "Lesh" >Reply- >To: >Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy > >do enlighten those of us who are not fortunate ? >what IS it all about ? > > Ingo V wrote: > > it's great those OmniTribe guys are doing somthing, but I don't like their parties. I just don't. I don't think they understand what's it all about. 561 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:33:27 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: XDreamer123 bitter people impress you ? never meant to you know, i understand the reason why synthetic sadhus closed down how can you try and bring light to such bitter and angry people? but the most shocking to me, was the response which his letter got. to sum it up, it sounded like " fuck you and fuck off". I personally didn't agree with a "trance is dying" statement. I just think people aren't very alive. but a guy worked for four years to bring you a good time, spiritual experience, whatever it was. and after working for such a long time he saw that nothing has changed for the better. and he wrote to you, explaining to you the reason why he can't do one thing that he lived for. no compassion, few expressed gratitude. and that is supposedly a community of loving and caring individuals. INDIVIDUALS !!! "in trance you trust" ??? maybe you trust too much. bad trip? well, look around, that is one fucking bad trip. perhaps my own idealism is the reason for my present disappointment. perhaps, and i deserve it. so, yeah, keep on draggin about all those minor details on which you can hang a man and make him look like a fool. picking on his words and taking things out of contest. stereotyping and whatever else you do. you are very good at it. petty, so petty. i think someone wanted me to explain "what's it all about". well, i'm sorry friend, i guess it's about nothing, really. there used to be somthing but now there is nothing. But for those who understand, the message is simple: Gravity is a state of mind. :) bitter people impress you ? never meant to you know, i understand the reason why synthetic sadhus closed down how can you try and bring light to such bitter and angry people? but the most shocking to me, was the response which his letter got. to sum it up, it sounded like " fuck you and fuck off". I personally didn't agree with a "trance is dying" statement. I just think people aren't very alive. but a guy worked for four years to bring you a good time, spiritual experience, whatever it was. and after working for such a long time he saw that nothing has changed for the better. and he wrote to you, explaining to you the reason why he can't do one thing that he lived for. no compassion, few expressed gratitude. and that is supposedly a community of loving and caring individuals. INDIVIDUALS !!! "in trance you trust" ??? maybe you trust too much. bad trip? well, look around, that is one fucking bad trip. perhaps my own idealism is the reason for my present disappointment. perhaps, and i deserve it. so, yeah, keep on draggin about all those minor details on which you can hang a man and make him look like a fool. picking on his words and taking things out of contest. stereotyping and whatever else you do. you are very good at it. petty, so petty. i think someone wanted me to explain "what's it all about". well, i'm sorry friend, i guess it's about nothing, really. there used to be somthing but now there is nothing. But for those who understand, the message is simple: Gravity is a state of mind. :) 562 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:25:21 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/17/02 3:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, XDreamer123 writes: > too much bile Jason. try more tea or somthing. Jason should try a B-51!! In a message dated 12/17/02 3:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, XDreamer123 writes: too much bile Jason. try more tea or somthing. Jason should try a B-51!! 563 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:44:39 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/17/02 11:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, margok1 writes: > What is BTS? https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /btswatch.html In a message dated 12/17/02 11:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, margok1 writes: What is BTS? https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /btswatch.html 564 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal & fri,break out, BREAK OUT,BREAKOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "Jessica" i wish it was as easy as all that, young jedi. the fact is, psychedelic pa rties fit neatly into a category. you can change the music, you can change the djs, you can change the venue, you can change the decor...it's still a psychedelic party. after many years of attending and promoting, even those ideas that started out on the drawing board as different and original usual ly end up looking like another psychedelic party, with maybe a slightly alt ered slant. here's the catch: IT'S OK. it's ok to have just another psych edelic party because psychedelic parties are fun! my experience is that peo ple won't come because somthing is new and different...people will come be cause they expect somthing: somthing fun and enjoyable, and somthing tha t they know and love. why reinvent the wheel? evolution will happen. give i t time. no one likes to be pigeon-holed, and i'm all for a little healthy r ebellion now and then, but trying to change things simply for the sake of n ewness and craziness often comes off as phony, as well. so change the musi c, change the djs, change the decor...do what you want, but do it WELL. go into it with a clear head, good intentions, sound finances, an open mind, a nd lots of time...time to throw a quality party, time to let your parties e volve and reflect your vision. the vibe and the people will show you where to go. peace, jessica I couldn't agree more. If you're creating som ething and simultaneously worried whether it fits neatly into some catego ry, what are you actually doing. Probably you have someone's work in min d that you are trying to emulate. That always, I repeat always, leads to mediocrity at best. Are people afraid that if parties are thrown without clearly defined genre labels That it will all fall apart? What makes me trip out the hardest is when someone fuck with my head a little. Stop co mpeting or comparing with Europe or anywhere else. This is New York, the music should be getting so crazy that we don't know what To call it anymo re. THEN all the big venues will open up again and everyone will be curio us about what the hell is happening in NY. I hate to say it, it is a co ntradiction, at the same time,with the price of tickets at most parties, you're gunna get mostly bourgeois yuppies or drug dealers. It's built into their mindset to have things orderly, well defined, predictable, ca tegorized. (When you think like that all day, every day, they're ain't no drug strong enough to break you out) The people you want at parties are the crazy ass artists, musicians, poets, etc. who as the cliche' goes are usually broke, but could contribute greatly in terms of vibe, installati ons, and general appreciation for when a dj takes a risk, even a big risk . Hey maybe the dj won't even play trance at all. They should be allowe d to be true shamans, instead of having to have their head cut off if the y don't tow the company line. Well,then people have to worry about losin g the venue if they don't do what was advertised, club owners get upset, blah blah blah THAT IS the problem with this country. Everything needs to be neatly packaged and sold. You want a true psychedelic (remember wha t that word used to represent, MIND EXPANSION!!!) movement, than yawl mus t absolutely rebel against all that. Otherwise it is phony bourgeois, and opportunistic. i wish it wasas easy as al l that, young jedi. the fact is, psy chedelic partiesfit neatly into a category.you can change the music, you can change the djs, you can change the venue, you can change th e decor...it's still a psychedelic party. after many years of attending an d promoting, even those ideas that started out on the drawing board as dif ferent and original usually end up looking like another psychedelic party, with maybe a slightly altered slant. here's the catch: IT'S OK. it' s ok to have justanother psychedelic party because psychedelic parti es are fun! my experience is that people won't come becausesomthing is new and different...people will come because they expect somthing:somthingfun and enjoyable, and somthing that they know and lov e. why reinvent the wheel? evolution will happen. give it time. no one lik es to be pigeon-holed, and i'm all for a little healthy rebellion now and then, but trying to change things simply for the sake of newness and crazin ess often comes off as phony, as well. so change the music, change t he djs, change the decor...do what you want, but do it WELL. go into it wi th a clear head, good intentions, sound finances,an open mind, and l ots of time...time to throw a quality party, time to let your parties evol ve and reflect your vision. the vibe and the people will show you where to go. peace, jessica I couldn'tagree more. If you're creating s omthing and simultaneously worried whether it fits neatly into some category, what are you actually doing. Probably you have someone's work in mind that you are trying to emulate. That always, I repeat always, leads to mediocrity at best. A re people afraid that if parties are thrown without clearly defined genr e labels That it will all fall apart? What makes me trip out the hardest iswhen someonefuck withmy head a little. Stop competing or comparing with Europe or anywhere else. This is New York, the music should be getting so crazy that we don't know what To call it anymore. TH EN all the big venues will open up again and everyone will be curious about what the hell is happening in NY. I hate to s ay it, it is a contradiction, at the same time,with the price of tickets at most parties, you're gunna get mostly bourgeois yuppies or drug dealers. It's built into their mindset to have things orderly, well defined, predictable, categor ized. (When you think like that all day, every day, they're ain't no drug strong enough to break you out) The people you want at parties are the crazy ass artists, musicians, poets, etc. who as the cliche' goes are usually broke, but could contribute g reatly in terms of vibe, installations, and general appreciati on for when a dj takes a risk, even a big risk. Hey maybe the dj won't even play trance at all. They should be allowed to be true shamans, instead of having to have their head cut off if they don't tow the company line. Well,the n people have to worry about losing the venue if they don't do what was advertised, club owners get upset, blah blah blah THAT IS the problem with this country. Everything needs to be neatly packaged and sold. You want a true psychedelic (rememb er what that word used to represent, MIND EXPANSION!!!) mov ement, than yawl must absolutely rebel against all that. Other wise it is phonybourgeois, and opportunistic. 565 Subject: RE: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy To: From: "B, Nicholas" Better Than Satan Best Told Sober Bohemian Transvestite Society Brooklyn Th espian Singers Banned Troglodytes Skeptics Bowling Thug Strongmen -----Or iginal Message-- From: Machinelf S ent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:45 AM Sub ject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy In a message dated 12/17/02 11:24:23 P M Eastern Standard Time, margok1 writes: What is BTS? https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /btswatch.html N o . Message Better Than Satan Best Told Sober Bohemian Transvestite Society Brooklyn Thespian Singers Banned Troglodytes Skeptics Bowling Thug Strongmen -----Original Message-----F rom: Machinelf Sent: W ednesday, December 18, 2002 11:45 AMTo: NYC604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: ProphecyIn a message dated 12/17/02 11:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, margok1 writes: What is BTS? https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /btswatch .html . 567 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal & fri,DOES SOMEONE WANT TO..... From: "lisa R" No its not easy at all....What is. I've seen alot of different scenes in N peak and then petter. I've been observing it carefully for awhile and ther e are certain patterns. We're talking NY now. Certain definitions are impor tant, especially to new kids coming on to a scene. The word psychedelic rea lly needs to be considered. Otherwise you are presenting somthing as a spi ritual path. If it is then it should be. Sure it can be fun, but we all kno w there's been an extremely dark and seedy side to all this. There's been a lot of casualties, although you probably don't see those people anymore. Wh y? Well... psychedelics carry around with them an aura of responsibility. Any tribe anywhere on the planet throughout history that indulged in psycho active substances honored the seriousness of it. Why? Because they had gene rations upon generations of experience. They did so not out of meaningless ritual, but out of awe, respect, and fear. They knew about the potential fa ll-out. The irony is, the more seriously you take all this the more fun it can be. People feel secure, they feel safe, they feel that there are elders who can guide them etc. In the collective vibe that gets created, less ins ecurity, less fear, means the vibe goes higher Yeah, Yeah. Otherwise you ar e repeating the casualty list of round one of the American psychedelic ex perience (1960's) It's not changing things for the sake of the new, (we're not talking contemporary British Art here) It's the search that's importan t. Sir Lawrence Olivier once responded to an interviewers fawning all over him about what a great actor he was, etc. and so on, by saying I was able t o be good because I willing to be very very bad. Willing to take the risks necessary, which quite often failed, but when it worked........... Perhaps I was a little hard when I vented on bourgeois values. But status quo, busi ness as usual, that can apply to any scene, what does that produce? Usually you'll be beat out by the competition, which can be in,terms of our discu ssion more specifically about music and creativity, by scenes such as Burni ngman, or a whole crop of newfangled movements. Yes, I'll agree much of tha t is change for change sake, but if you trancers in the inner sanctum don't do the searching, the re-invention, you'll know caus' the people will go a searchin'. Hey, that's it, just my opinions. The real truth of the matt er is utterly unutterable, beyond dialectics of any sort. But it's all each of us has. We are all the microcosm of the macrocosm, and in that sense, a ll opinion is true. We are all presenting versions of the truth. And for some fucking reason I get into thinking about all this shit................ ............. Love, Lisa ----- Original Message --From: Jessica Sent: Wedn esday, December 18, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [ NYC604] goa vs. minimal & fri,break out, BREAK OUT,BREAKOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i wish it was as easy as all that, young jedi. the fact is, psychedel ic parties fit neatly into a category. you can change the music, you can ch ange the djs, you can change the venue, you can change the decor...it's sti ll a psychedelic party. after many years of attending and promoting, even t hose ideas that started out on the drawing board as different and original usually end up looking like another psychedelic party, with maybe a slightl y altered slant. here's the catch: IT'S OK. it's ok to have just anoth er psychedelic party because psychedelic parties are fun! my experience is that people won't come because somthing is new and different...people will come because they expect somthing: somthing fun and enjoyable, and somet hing that they know and love. why reinvent the wheel? evolution will happen . give it time. no one likes to be pigeon-holed, and i'm all for a little h ealthy rebellion now and then, but trying to change things simply for the s ake of newness and craziness often comes off as phony, as well. so chang e the music, change the djs, change the decor...do what you want, but do it WELL. go into it with a clear head, good intentions, sound finances, an op en mind, and lots of time...time to throw a quality party, time to let your parties evolve and reflect your vision. the vibe and the people will show you where to go. peace, jessica I couldn't agree more. If you 're creating somthing and simultaneously worried whether it fits neatly in to some category, what are you actually doing. Probably you have someone' s work in mind that you are trying to emulate. That always, I repeat always , leads to mediocrity at best. Are people afraid that if parties are thrown without clearly defined genre labels That it will all fall apart? What mak es me trip out the hardest is when someone fuck with my head a little. Stop competing or comparing with Europe or anywhere else. This is New York, the music should be getting so crazy that we don't know what To call it anymor e. THEN all the big venues will open up again and everyone will be curious about what the hell is happening in NY. I hate to say it, it is a contradic tion, at the same time,with the price of tickets at most parties, you're gu nna get mostly bourgeois yuppies or drug dealers. It's built into their m indset to have things orderly, well defined, predictable, categorized. (Wh en you think like that all day, every day, they're ain't no drug strong eno ugh to break you out) The people you want at parties are the crazy ass arti sts, musicians, poets, etc. who as the cliche' goes are usually broke, but could contribute greatly in terms of vibe, installations, and general appre ciation for when a dj takes a risk, even a big risk. Hey maybe the dj won't even play trance at all. They should be allowed to be true shamans, instea d of having to have their head cut off if they don't tow the company line. Well,then people have to worry about losing the venue if they don't do wha t was advertised, club owners get upset, blah blah blah THAT IS the problem with this country. Everything needs to be neatly packaged and sold. You wa nt a true psychedelic (remember what that word used to represent, MIND EXPA NSION!!!) movement, than yawl must absolutely rebel against all that. Other wise it is phony bourgeois, and opportunistic. No lies, no on to: No its not easy at all....What is. I've seen alot of different scenes inNY peak and then petter. I've been observing itcarefully forawhile and there arertain patterns. We're talking NY now. Certain definit ions are important, especially to new kids coming on to a scene. The word psychedelic really needs to be considered. Otherwise y ou are presenting somthing as a spiritual path. If it is then i t should be. Sure it can be fun, but we all know there's been an extremely dark and seedy side to all this. There's been alot of casualties, although you probably don't see those people anymore. Why? Well... psychedelics carry around with them an aura of respon sibility. Any tribe anywhere on the planet throughout history th at indulged in psychoactive substances honored the seriousness o f it.Why? Because they had generations upon generations of experience . They did so not out of meaningless ritual, but out of awe, res pect, and fear. They knew about the potential fall-out. The irony is, the more seriously you take all this the more fun it can b e. People feel secure, they feel safe, they feel that there are elders who can guide them etc. In the collective vibe that gets created, less insecurity, less fear, means the vibe goes higher Yeah, Yeah. Otherwise you are repeating the casualty list of rou nd one of the American psychedelic experience (1960's) It's not changing things for the sake of the new, (we' re not talking contemporary British Art here) It's the search th at's important. Sir Lawrence Olivier once responded to an interv iewers fawning all over him about what a great actor he was, etc . and so on, by saying I was able to be good because I willing to be very v ery bad. Willing to take the risks necessary, which quite often failed, but when it worked........... Perhaps I was a little har d when I vented on bourgeois values. But status quo, business as usual, that can apply to any scene, what does that produce? Usu ally you'll be beat out by the competition, which can be in,terms of our d iscussion more specifically about music and creativity, by scene s such as Burningman, or a whole crop of newfangled movements. Yes, I'll agree much of that is change for change sake, but if yo u trancers in the inner sanctum don't do the searching, the re-i nvention, you'll know caus' the people will go a searchin'. Hey, that's it, just my opinions. The real truth of the matter is utterly unutterable, beyond dialectics of any s ort. But it's all each of us has. We are all the micr ocosm of the macrocosm, and in that sense, all opinion is true. We are all presenting versions of the truth. And for some fucking reason I get into thinking about all this shit..................... ........ Love, Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: Jessica Sent: Wednesday, Dec ember 18, 2002 12:14 PM To: NC604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal & fri,break out, BREAK OUT,BREAKOUT!!!!! !!!!!!!!! i wish it wasa s easy as all that, young jedi. the f act is, psychedelic partiesfit neatly into a category.you can c hange the music, you can change the djs, you can change the venue, you can change the decor...it's still a psychedelic party. after many years of atte nding and promoting, even those ideas that started out on the drawing board as different and original usually end up looking like another psychedelic party, with maybe a slightly altered slant. here's the catch: IT'S OK. it's ok to have justanother psychedelic party because psychedeli c parties are fun! my experience is that people won't come becausesom ething is new and different...people will come because they expect somthin g:somthingfun and enjoyable, and somthing that they know and love. why reinvent the wheel? evolution will happen. give it time. no one l ikes to be pigeon-holed, and i'm all for a little healthy rebellion now and then, but trying to change things simply for the sake of newness and crazi ness often comes off as phony, as well. so change the music, change t he djs, change the decor...do what you want, but do it WELL. go into it wit h a clear head, good intentions, sound finances,an open mind, and lot s of time...time to throw a quality party, time to let your parties evolve and reflect your vision. the vibe and the people will show you where to go. peace, jessica I couldn'tagree more. If you're creating somthing and simultaneously worried whether it fits neatly into some cate gory, what are you actually doing. Probably you have someone's work in mind that you are trying to emulate. That always, I repe at always, leads to mediocrity at best. Are people afraid that i f parties are thrown without clearly defined genre labels That i t will all fall apart? What makes me trip out the hardest iswhen someonefuck withmy head a little. Stop compet ing or comparing with Europe or anywhere else. This is New York, the music should be getting so crazy that we don't know what To call it anymore. THEN all the big venues will open up again and everyone will be curious about what the hell is happening in N. I hate to say it, it is a contradiction, at the same time,with the price of tickets at most parties, you're gunna get mostly b ourgeois yuppies or drug dealers. It's built into th eir mindset to have things orderly, well defined, predictable, categorized. (When you think like that all day, every day, they're ain't no drug strong enough to break you out) The people you want at parties are the crazy ass artists, musicians, poets, etc . who as the cliche' goes are usually broke, but could contribute greatly in terms of vibe, installations, and general appreciation for whe n a dj takes a risk, even a big risk. Hey maybe the d j won't even play trance at all. They should be allowed to be tr ue shamans, instead of having to have their head cut off if they don't tow the company line. Well,then people have to worry abo ut losing the venue if they don't do what was advertised, club o wners get upset, blah blah blah THAT IS the problem with this co untry. Everything needs to be neatly packaged and sold. You want a true psychedelic (remember what that word used to represent, MIND EXPANSION!!!) movement, than yawl must absolutely rebel aga inst all that. Otherwise it is phonybourgeois, and opportu 568 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:58:53 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal & fri,DOES SOMEONE WANT TO..... From: Machinelf there she goes again, that's my Lisa, the Alpha Female uttereth the trutheth signed, vibekiller :-) there she goes again, that's my Lisa, the Alpha Female uttereth the trutheth signed, vibekiller :-) 569 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal & fri,DOES SOMEONE WANT TO..... From: "lisa R" Yeah, it's Crackie the Clown here. What the fuck? ----- Original Messa ge --From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal & fri,DO ES SOMEONE WANT TO..... there she goes again, that's my Lisa, the Alpha Female uttereth the trutheth signed, vibekiller :-) No lies, no one to: Yeah, it's Crack ie the Clown here. What the fuck? ----- Original Message ----- From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal & fri,DOES SOMEONE WANT TO..... there she goes again, that's my Lisa, the Alpha Female uttereth t he truthethsigned, vibekiller :-) ---No lies, no 570 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE SCENE? From: "Jessica" the Trance Monarch speaks. yknow, jeff, if you weren't so egotistical and solipsistic, you'd actually be funny. > there she goes again, that's my Lisa, the Alpha Female uttereth the trutheth > signed, > vibekiller :-) > 571 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:27:12 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE SCENE? From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/18/2002 3:25:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: > the Trance Monarch speaks. > yknow, jeff, if you weren't so egotistical and solipsistic, you'd actually > be funny. "we" were thinking of somthing along the lines of Mayor McCheese meets Louis the XIVth In a message dated 12/18/2002 3:25:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: the Trance Monarch speaks. yknow, jeff, if you weren't so egotistical and solipsistic, you'd actually be funny. "we" were thinking of somthing along the lines of Mayor McCheese meets Louis the XIVth 572 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE SCENE? From: "Jessica" > > > the Trance Monarch speaks. > > yknow, jeff, if you weren't so egotistical and solipsistic, you'd actually > > be funny. > > "we" were thinking of somthing along the lines of Mayor McCheese meets Louis > the XIVth > in that case, more Sun, less Cheese. 573 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:36:10 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE SCENE? From: Machinelf cheese is cool. Planet of the Apes is cool. Costumes are cool. Makeup is cool. Dirty A is cool. Red meat is cool. cheese is cool. Planet of the Apes is cool. Costumes are cool. Makeup is cool. Dirty A is cool. Red meat is cool. 574 Subject: RE: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE SCENE? To: From: "B, Nicholas" Is it *really* bad that I had to look the word solipsistic up before I real ised she wasn't accusing Jeff of having a venereal disease? Main Entry: s oB7lipB7sism Pronunciation: 'sO-l&p-"si-z&m, 'sE4- Function: noun Etymology: L atin solus alone + ipse self Date: 1874 : a theory holding that the self ca n know nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only exis tent thing Then again when I did look it up, what Jessica said didn't actu ally make much sense (or is this just me missing th poin agai) Has anyone ever read the book the Macroscope by Piers Anthony? Nick -----Or iginal Message-- From: Machinelf S ent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:27 PM Subj ect: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE S CENE? In a message dated 12/18/2002 3:25:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: the Trance Monarch speaks. yknow, jef f, if you weren't so egotistical and solipsistic, you'd actually be funny . "we" were thinking of somthing along the lines of Mayor McCheese mee ts Louis the XIVth To u ps ice . Message Is it *really* bad that I had to look the wor d solipsistic up before I realised she wasn't accusing Jeff of having a ve nereal disease? Main Entry: soB7lipB7sism Pronunciat ion: 'sO-l&p-"si-z&m, 'sE4-Function: noun Etymology: Latin solus alone + ipse selfDate: 1874: a theory holding that the self can know nothing but its own modific ations and that the self is the only existent thing Then again when I did look it up, what Jessica said didn't actual ly make much sense (or is this just me missing th poin agai) Has anyone ever read the book the Macrosco pe by Piers Anthony? Nick -----Original Message-----From: Machinelf [Ism okeDMT ] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:27 PMTo: NYC604Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa v s. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE SCENE? In a message dated 12/18/2002 3:25:18 PM Eastern St andard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: the Trance Monarch speaks.yknow, jeff , if you weren't so egotistical and solipsistic, you'd actuallybe funny."we" were thinking of somthing along the lin es of Mayor McCheese meets Louis the XIVth ---No lies , no one send an email 575 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] evil dark lords From: "Jessica" Messagei think you're missing the point, but the time hath come and gone. more importantly, does anyone see similarities between the Dark Lord Sauron and GW Bush? who will bring the One Ring to DC? Is it *really* bad th at I had to look the word solipsistic up before I realised she wasn't accus ing Jeff of having a venereal disease? Main Entry: soB7lipB7sism Pr onunciation: 'sO-l&p-"si-z&m, 'sE4- Function: noun Etymology: Latin so lus alone + ipse self Date: 1874 : a theory holding that the self can k now nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only existen t thing Then again when I did look it up, what Jessica said didn't actua lly make much sense (or is this just me missing th poin agai) Has anyone ever read the book the Macroscope by Piers Anthony? Nick -----Or iginal Message-- From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:27 PM . com Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE SCENE? In a message dated 12/18/2002 3:25:18 PM Eastern St andard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: the Trance Monarch speaks . yknow, jeff, if you weren't so egotistical and solipsistic, you'd a ctually be funny. "we" were thinking of somthing along the lin es of Mayor McCheese meets Louis the XIVth to: Message i thinkyou're missing the point, butthe time hath come and gone. more importantly, does anyone see si milarities between the Dark Lord Sauron and GW Bush? who will bring the One Ring to DC? Is it *really * bad that I had to look the word solipsistic up before I realised she w asn't accusing Jeff of having a venereal disease? Main Entry: soB7lipB7 sism Pronunciation: 'sO-l&p-"si-z &m, 'sE4-Function: nounEtymology: Latin solu s alone + ipse selfDate: 1874: a theory holdin g that the self can know nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only existent thing Then again when I did look it up, what Jessica said didn't actually make much s ense (or is this just me missing th poin agai) Has anyone ever read the book the Macroscope by Piers Anthony? Nick -----Original Message-----From: IsmokeD MT [Machinelf] Sent: Wednesday, Dece mber 18, 2002 3:27 PMTo: NYC604Subje ct: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE SCENE?In a message dated 12/18/2002 3:25:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writ es: t he Trance Monarch speaks.yknow, jeff, if you weren't so egotisti cal and solipsistic, you'd actuallybe funny." we" were thinking of somthing along the lines of Mayor McCheese meets Louis the XIVth ---No lies, no one word replies, n eN --- his group, send an email to: 576 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:02:11 Subject: Re: goa vs. minimal & fri,DOES SOMEONE WANT TO..... From: "B ... > Brian " --- In NYC604, "lisa R" wrote: > Yeah, it's Crackie the Clown here. > What the fuck? please enlighten me about how that morphed / fucked baby that was sticking out of your side at the ... gms party? was psychedelic or had anything to do with trance or anything that anyone would actually want to see actually want to see at a psychedelic party. 577 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:46:24 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] evil dark lords From: XDreamer123 be careful. they are watching. and they are dumb enough to take it seriously. be careful. they are watching. and they are dumb enough to take it seriously. 578 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: Margo Korableva or B-52 Machinelf wrote:In a message dated 12/17/02 3:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, XDreamer123 writes: too much bile Jason. try more tea or somthing. Jason should try a B-51!! In Trance We Trust or B-52 Machinelf wrote: In a message dated 12/17/02 3:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, XDreamer123 writes: 579 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: Prophecy From: cant read signs cant breath and to top it of im lost oh well _ 580 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RESPOND HONESTLY? From: "lisa R" These responses are all like bad commercials. Does it make everyone more co mfortable to be slapstick about some serious questions. Then the NYC trance scene truly is pathetic No foundation. Looking for signs of intelligent li fe. This surely a micro of the macro. Isn't that what much of advertising d oes. Distract you from the real issues with bullshit. ----- Original M essage --From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:4 6 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE SCENE? In a message dated 12/18/2002 3:25:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: the Trance Monarch speaks. yknow, jeff, if you weren't so egotistical and solipsistic , you'd actually be funny. "we" were thinking of somthing along the line s of Mayor McCheese meets Louis the XIVth the These responses are all like bad commercials. Does it make everyone more comfort able to be slapstick about some serious questions. Then theNYC trance scene truly is pathetic No foundation. Lo oking for signs of intelligent life. Thissurely a micro of the macro. Isn't that what much of advertising does. Distract you from the real issues with bullshit. ----- Original Message ----- From: Machinelf Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:46 PM groups Subject: Re: [NYC604 ] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE SCENE? In a message dated 12/18/2002 3:25:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writes: the Trance Monarch speaks.yknow, jeff, if you weren't so egotistical and solipsistic, you'd actuallybe funny."we" were thinking of somthing along the lines of Mayor McChe 581 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] serious questions From: "Jessica" True, these responses were comical nonsense. But humor is important. Humor is the most important thing (especially when it relates to trance parties). If you've lost that, then what else is there? So tell me...what are you r serious questions? What are the real issues? I tried to initially give some sound advice about helping the scene, but was shut down. What exactly are you looking for? revelling in the cosmic goof, Jessica ----- Orig inal Message ----- From: lisa R Moderator Sent: Wednesday , December 18, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOME ONE WANT TO RESPOND HONESTLY? These responses are all like bad commercial s. Does it make everyone more comfortable to be slapstick about some seriou s questions. Then the NYC trance scene truly is pathetic No foundation. Loo king for signs of intelligent life. This surely a micro of the macro. Isn't that what much of advertising does. Distract you from the real issues with bullshit. ----- Original Message --From: Machinelf Sen t: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:46 PM Subj ect: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE S CENE? In a message dated 12/18/2002 3:25:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, je ssw at mindspring writes: the Trance Monarch speaks. yknow, jeff , if you weren't so egotistical and solipsistic, you'd actually be funn y. "we" were thinking of somthing along the lines of Mayor McCheese me ets Louis the XIVth ogroups Service. Yo ----- m True, theseresponses were comical nonsense. But humor is important.Humor is the most impo rtant thing (especiallywhen it relates totrance parties). If y ou've lost that, then what else is there? So tell me...what a re your serious questions? What are the real issues? I tried to initially give some sound advice abouthelping the scene, but was shut down. What exactly are you looking for? revelling in the cosmic goof , Jessica ----- Original Message ----- From: lisa R Moderator Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 20 02 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOM EONE WANT TO RESPOND HONESTLY? These resp onses are all like bad commercials. Does it make everyone more c omfortable to be slapstick about some serious questions. Then t heNYC trance scene truly is pathetic No foundation. Looking for signs of intelligent life. Thissurely a m icro of the macro. Isn't that what much of advertising does. Distract you from the real issues with bullshit. ----- Original Message --From: Is mokeDMT Sent: Wednes day, December 18, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RULE THE NY TRANCE SCENE? In a message date d 12/18/2002 3:25:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessw at mindspring writ es: the Tra nce Monarch speaks.yknow, jeff, if you weren't so egotistical and solipsistic, you'd actuallybe funny."we" were t hinking of somthing along the lines of Mayor McCheese meets Louis the X to:NYC604-unsubscrib Groups is subject Terms of Ser vice. ---No lies, no one word t ! ahoo! Get more from t ttp://explorer.msn 582 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:12:00 EST Subject: Location change From: Machinelf Tour de Trance New years is now at Club Mundo. https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /tourdetrance.html any updates will be posted to that page. oh, and Trance is way more than just a "scene;" if Lisa went to Brazil or Goa or Thailand she would get the religion and wouldn't have her finger on the Destroy Trance button. Tour de Trance New years is now at Club Mundo. https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /tourdetrance.html any updates will be posted to that page. oh, and Trance is way more than just a "scene;" if Lisa went to Brazil or Goa or Thailand she would get the religion and wouldn't have her finger on the Destroy Trance button. 583 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] Location change From: "Jessica" yep, trance is much more than a scene. let's not get into semantics. feel f ree to substitute whatever word doesn't offend you or raise your politicall y correct neck hairs. perhaps collective works nicely here. or community. ----- Original Message ----- From: Machinelf gr oups Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: [NYC604] Locat ion change Tour de Trance New years is now at Club Mundo. http://www.br ainmachines /tourdetrance.html any updates will be posted to that page. oh, and Trance is way more than just a "scene;" if Lisa went to Brazil or Goa or Thailand she would get the religion and wouldn't have her finger on the Destroy Trance button. m ogroups ervice. yep, tranc e is much more than a scene. let's not get into semantics. feel free to su bstitute whatever word doesn't offend you or raise your politically correc t neck hairs. perhaps collective works nicely here. or community. ----- Original Message ----- From: Machinelf Sent: T hursday, December 19, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: [NYC604] Loca tion change Tour de Trance New year s is now at Club Mundo. https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /tourdetrance.htmlan y updates will be posted to that page.oh, and Trance is way more t han just a "scene;" if Lisa went to Brazil or Goa or Thailand she wo uld get the religion and wouldn't have her finger on the Destroy Trance bu tton. ahoogroups th 584 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:32:06 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Location change From: chameleia Oh seekers, Love is Truth, beseeching Truth, and your Truth in seeking and receiving and protecting Love shall determine its behaivior. kahlil gibran Oh seekers, Love is Truth, beseeching Truth, and your Truth in seeking and receiving and protecting Love shall determine its behaivior. kahlil gibran 585 To: Subject: Re: [NYC604] goa vs. minimal DOES SOMEONE WANT TO RESPOND HONESTLY? From: "Lesh" this are not my words thou i agree with this guy it's from 604 list --- Me too, I didn't really like progressive all that much, but after listenin g to it at friend's places, and having it seep into my brain when I wasn't paying attention, I began to appreciate it quite a bit (at least some of it ). The one thing I have noticed is that progressive requires a longer att ention span than psytrance, a lot of psytrance sounds like music for the Ri talin generation...whereas with good progressive it's like a movie whose pl ot is revealed over a long time span, slowly showing you more and more deta ils, filling in the story. With a lot of psytrance, you could listen to hal f a track and 'get' where it's coming from and what's going on...but with p rogressive, if you miss half the track, it's like missing half a movie, it doesn't make sense anymore, because each element builds on what came before , and it goes somewhere. So just like you wouldn't want to watch a movie where all of the plot elements are revealed in the first 5 minutes, good pr ogressive makes you enjoy seeing how the soundscape unfolds, how the story will be told. If it's done well, it's worth the wait. But for those with short attention spans, it probably isn't too rewarding. Ed this are not my words thou i agree with this guy it's from 604 list Me t oo, I didn't really like progressive all that much, but after listening to it at friend's places, and having it seep into my brain when I wasn't pay ing attention, I began to appreciate it quite a bit (at least some of it). The one thing I have noticed is that progressive requires a longe r attention span than psytrance, a lot of psytrance sounds like music for the Ritalin generation...whereas with good progressive it's like a movie w hose plot is revealed over a long time span, slowly showing you more and m ore details, filling in the story. With a lot of psytrance, you could liste n to half a track and 'get' where it's coming from and what's going on...b ut with progressive, if you miss half the track, it's like missing half a movie, it doesn't make sense anymore, because each element builds on what came before, and it goes somewhere. So just like you wouldn't want to watch a movie where all of the plot elements are revealed in the first 5 minutes, good progressive makes you enjoy seeing how the soundscape unf olds, how the story will be told. If it's done well, it's worth th e wait. But for those with short attention spans, it probably isn't too re warding. Ed 586 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] Location change From: "lisa R" Thank You Jess for earnestly offering your opinion. You seem to care and ar e conscientious. We don't have to agree on everything. I'm not Jewish But p aging through some Camille Paglia, she mentions that her scholarly achievem ents were greatly influenced by the intense intellectual discourse debate t hat she witnessed between prominant highly intellectual rabbis. It is in th e tradition to explore and discuss HEATEDLY the ins and outs and various fa cets of their scripture. I mention this because Jeff mentioned religion. I' m not into any religion specifically, they all have their points. But certa inly what you have here certainly is not religion It's more like artistic p sychedelic formulaic genre porporting to expand consciousness,(no problem) My facts are sketchy here, feedback appreciated, but I heard that the rave scene originated out of Manchester organized by a punk afficionado. And fro m there leading up to all the branching out categories we have today. It's not re-inventing the wheel, it's keeping it spinning, moving, check the tra ction, and the spark plugs every once in awhile....... ----- Original Message --From: Jessica Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:39 PM To: NYC604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Location change yep, trance is much more than a scene. let's not get into semantics. feel free to subs titute whatever word doesn't offend you or raise your politically correct n eck hairs. perhaps collective works nicely here. or community. --- -- Original Message ----- From: Machinelf group s Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: [NYC604] Locatio n change Tour de Trance New years is now at Club Mundo. http://www.bra inmachines /tourdetrance.html any updates will be posted to that page. oh, and Trance is way more than just a "scene;" if Lisa went to Brazil or Goa or Thailand she would get the religion and wouldn't have her finger on the Destroy Trance button. m ogroups Service. Yo Thank You Jess for earnestly offering your op inion. You seem to care and are conscientious. We don 't have to agree on everything. I'm not Jewish But pa ging through some Camille Paglia, she mentions that her scholarl y achievements were greatly influenced by the intense intellectu al discourse debate that she witnessed between prominant highly intellectual rabbis. It is in the tradition to explore and discu ss HEATEDLY the ins and outs and various facets of their scriptu re. I mention this because Jeff mentioned religion. I 'm not into any religion specifically, they all have their points. But certainly what you have here certainlyis not religion It's more like artistic psychedelic formulaic genre porportingto e xpand consciousness,(no problem) My facts are sketchy here, feed back appreciated, but I heard that the rave scene originated out of Manchester organized by a punk afficionado. And from there l eading up to all the branching out categories we have today. It's not re-inventing the wheel, it's keeping it spinning, moving, check the traction, and the spark plugs every once in awhile.... ... ----- Original Me ssage ----- From: Jessica Sen t: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] Location change yep, trance is much more than a scene. let's not get into semantics. feel free to substitute whatever word doesn't offend y ou or raise your politically correct neck hairs. perhaps collective works n icely here. or community. ----- Original Message ----- From: Machinelf Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: [NYC604] Location change Tour de Trance New years is now at Club Mundo. http://www.brainmachines.co m/tourdetrance.htmlany updates will be posted to that page. oh, and Trance is way more than just a "scene;" if Lisa went to Brazi l or Goa or Thailand she would get the religion and wouldn't have her finge 587 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] Location change From: "lisa R" Evolving, evolving, baby.................. And if there's any destroying it 's so that we can keep evolving, evolving, baby.................. ---- - Original Message --From: Machinelf Sent: Thursday, December 1 9, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: [NYC604] Location chang e Tour de Trance New years is now at Club Mundo. http://www.brainmach ines /tourdetrance.html any updates will be posted to that page. oh, an d Trance is way more than just a "scene;" if Lisa went to Brazil or Goa or Thailand she would get the religion and wouldn't have her finger on the De stroy Trance button. To u s Evolving, evolvi ng, baby.................. And if there's any destroying it's so that we can keep evolving, evolving, baby.................. ----- Original Message ----- From: Machinelf Sent: Th ursday, December 19, 2002 1:13 PM Sub ject: [NYC604] Location change Tour de Trance New years is now at Club Mundo. https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /tourdetran ce.htmlany updates will be posted to that page.oh, and Tranis way more than just a "scene;" if Lisa went to Brazil or Goa or Thailand she would get the religion and wouldn't have her finger on the Des event spamNYC604-u 588 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:15:52 EST Subject: use Traktor beat matching MP3 software From: Machinelf >i have no laptop, but all computers have a line out, you could use the he adphone jack w/ an rca converter if necessary. you really dont need to mon itor as there are lights letting you know whats up, but for the full on i have 4 speaker output from my sound card( any soundblaster, but audigy or better no external have best sound) front output is main, rear output is h eadphones. look if you can get a 900 pound sound system into a party why ca nt you get a desktop there. its really not much bigger than a record box. for two handed action, which is really a must, you need midi inputs and a controller (i use a synth with a modultation wheel, the wheel fades, mouse does everything else). there are great controllers out there for around $1 25 with more knobs so you can do more things more easily, but as long as y ou can fade with one hand and adjust volume/bass with the other, its prett y good. shit even just the mouse isnt bad, and if you right click the fade r it does it real slow for you, allowing you to concentrate on the levels. the one main trick is making sure that the bpm reading in the playlist wi ndow at the bottom is accurate- if you look youll see- when you first add a track to playlist, bpm is empty- as you start to play it, it shows a rea ding (also at the top) but next to this bottom reading is a percentage! if its below about 85%, it will not sync up. if you let it play for awhile(b efore mixing it in), it will get a better read and percent will go up. sometimes it cnat get a good read, sometimes 65% will do it. if it just w ont get it right for a track you can manually tap it in by double clicking the Upper bpm display, but you dont want to do that live. Use it and you' ll learn, its easy. cd is in the mail, ill save yer address in a file th is time >i have no laptop, but all computers have a line out, you could use the headphone jack w/ an rca converter if necessary. you really dont need to monitor as there are lights letting you know what s up, but for the full on i have 4 speaker output from my sound card( any s oundblaster, but audigy or better no external have best sound) front output is main, rear output is headphones. look if you can get a 900 pound so und system into a party why cant you get a desktop there. its really not mu ch bigger than a record box. for two handed action, which is really a m ust, you need midi inputs and a controller (i use a synth with a modultatio n wheel, the wheel fades, mouse does everything else). there are great cont rollers out there for around $125 with more knobs so you can do more things more easily, but as long as you can fade with one hand and adjust volume/b ass with the other, its pretty good. shit even just the mouse isnt bad, and if you right click the fader it does it real slow for you, allowing you to concentrate on the levels. the one main trick is making sure that the bpm reading in the playlist window at the bottom is accurate- if you look youll see- when you first add a track to playlist, bpm is empty- as you start to play it, it shows a reading (also at the top) but next to this bottom read ing is a percentage! if its below about 85%, it will not sync up. if you le t it play for awhile(before mixing it in), it will get a better read and percent will go up. sometimes it cnat get a good read, sometimes 65% will do it. if it just wont get it right for a track you can manually tap it in by double clicking the Upper bpm display, but you dont want to do that liv e. Use it and you'll learn, its easy. cd is in the mail, ill save ye r address in a file this time 589 Subject: difficulties Re: noma tomorow. To: omnitribe-news, omnitribe, SafetyDance, DRAGONTRIBE, goa-boston, NYC604, psy-trance at dewline, brainmachines-owner, homeoftrance From: omni tribe yes party is on! no problema here.... noma (both of them) and caribace (all 5 of them) are here and very happy and excited about tomorrow very sorry for not having pre-sale tickets at home of trance anymore. home of trance decided to remove our flyers and stop selling tickets because they didn't like that omni tribe DJs were booked for the Dreamcatcher/1 tribe NYE party. They said that if you are not coming to their party you are no longer a trance person and they don't support you. And if you are playing at another party that means you are promoting another party - so it's double sin well, must state the following: omni tribe is on the side of music and happy vibe; we are neither for nor against anybody (that includes both Dreamcatcher/1Tribe & Home of Trance). we just play with our lives and we play with tunes... our goal is not to make any rules. we might not like somthing, but we treat it as only our problem. And we do do do need your support our promotion is very minimal because we believe that attraction to the party is the actual party (artists and the vibe) and not empty promises and big flyers with "best and first" the goal is to let people know that there is a party and let everyone decide for themselves based on the personal experience. Truly, Omni tribe crew --- "Kendel, Brian" wrote: > hello, > > i was just wondering if this party was still > happening. > > thanks, > > b. 590 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:24:37 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] difficulties Re: noma tomorow. From: Machinelf Tsunami used to not be able to have its flyers distributed at home of trance, now they are getting along. the irony is that there are always stacks of drum & bass, techno, house flyers that never seem to have a problem. Tsunami used to not be able to have its flyers distributed at home of trance, now they are getting along. the irony is that there are always stacks of drum & bass, techno, house flyers that never seem to have a problem. 591 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:59:30 EST Subject: Fwd: >brain Subj: RE: >brain Date: 12/19/2002 4:55:58 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: nmf24 at drexel > To: Machinelf > Sent from the Internet > > In a strictly business sesne it will always be about the money. If it was > cheap to do this could you imagine what the scene would look like. Lets > set > aside money for a second and you still have to view Tsunami as having > unethical business practices. The first mistake was thinking you could > actually make an "honest" living at throwing underground trance parties. > Think about this for second, your gonna take an unkown, hard to access > music > and attempt to promote it like its sliced fucking bread. If you want money > go > to Wall St, I'll meet you infront of Mangia for a club sandbo. If you want > > trance, i'll meet you in the pine barrens. > > As always, > > Neil (PSI) > > > Original Message From Machinelf > >From: Marriagrace > > > >It's decent that a few of you offered some advice for Darius to collect > his > >money from TSUNAMI, contracts, lawyers and what not, but that's missing > the > >point. It's not about the money. It's about the trust that was lost. Sure, > he > >was involved in doing business for John, but it was not random, detached, > >business. It was business within the trance family. They had a reciprocal, > >balanced oral agreement for months prior, that was working fine, but then > >kindness and trust were taken advantage of. Perhaps I'm an idealist, and > not > >cynical enough. Maybe the lesson is to become callous and trust absolutely > no > >one, not even in a place where you thought, maybe, just maybe you could > use > >the good 'ol honor system. Maybe from now on at trance gatherings,we > should > >carry our jackets the whole time, and not risk putting it down for the > >instant for the pack of wolves to snatch up. Maybe we should be careful of > >the hugs we give because someone might just stab us in the back. > > > >I have a question for all of you, do you feel you can trust people in the > NY > >psy trance scene? To what extent? > > > >Maybe we should take a poll. > > > >~m > OK, if you want to follow this email thread send a blank email to NYC604-subscribe this cliffhanger has been a ploy to get people into NYC604 :-) Subj: RE: >brain Date: 12/19/2002 4:55:58 PM Eastern Standard Time From: nmf24 at drexel To: Machinelf Sent from the Internet In a strictly business sesne it will always be about the money. If it was cheap to do this could you imagine what the scene would look like. Lets set aside money for a second and you still have to view Tsunami as having unethical business practices. The first mistake was thinking you could actually make an "honest" living at throwing underground trance parties. Think about this for second, your gonna take an unkown, hard to access music and attempt to promote it like its sliced fucking bread. If you want money go to Wall St, I'll meet you infront of Mangia for a club sandbo. If you want trance, i'll meet you in the pine barrens. As always, Neil (PSI) > Original Message From Machinelf >From: Marriagrace > >It's decent that a few of you offered some advice for Darius to collect his >money from TSUNAMI, contracts, lawyers and what not, but that's missing the >point. It's not about the money. It's about the trust that was lost. Sure, he >was involved in doing business for John, but it was not random, detached, >business. It was business within the trance family. They had a reciprocal, >balanced oral agreement for months prior, that was working fine, but then >kindness and trust were taken advantage of. Perhaps I'm an idealist, and not >cynical enough. Maybe the lesson is to become callous and trust absolutely no >one, not even in a place where you thought, maybe, just maybe you could use >the good 'ol honor system. Maybe from now on at trance gatherings,we should >carry our jackets the whole time, and not risk putting it down for the >instant for the pack of wolves to snatch up. Maybe we should be careful of >the hugs we give because someone might just stab us in the back. > >I have a question for all of you, do you feel you can trust people in the NY >psy trance scene? To what extent? > >Maybe we should take a poll. > >~m 592 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:24:33 Subject: Take it from a veteran. From: "krsnalotus " I have helped tsunami from day1 since 1996. and john is like a good and bad person twisted with greed and corruption that this world has laid upon him, and still within him he believes in trance like one of us. It is sad. And i am sick of the tyranical rule. from them and also the unfairly priced store HOT. I know nothing will probbably ever stop these people. Maybe not. who knows but the facts still stand!!! If we as a people as a group are to perpetiate a good wholesome scene filled with love and progresion, we need to surpass these evil rulers or so called rulers. how can you help someone that doesnt really want to be helped or change the bad into good? I too have been fucked by these people, Home of trance and tsunami, Tsunami took advantage of my kindenes over the years, and yes I did help JEG(jon) promote and he did comp me for an unlimited amount of events but in the end was it worth it, being shited on for so long and my self dignity and pride. Even just recently I was going to help Homo's of trance and Tsunami with there new years eve flyer but how did they treat me, like a shit thats right they stepped all over me and for what all they offered me was a measly two complimentary admissions. Yea I wanted some money but I thought let me be a better person and help these guys, today(latly) I have reinstalled the higher beliefs. oh well we learn, well I am through being used, its one thing if your being used and being payed but when they treat you like shit. Merry christmas to all of you good people out there. see at the new yeras party the real one ill be there. kamal 593 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Fw: Tour de Trance flyer (announcement) From: "lisa R" I'm not talking about design of flyer. ----- Original Message --F rom: lisa R Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:50 PM Moderat or Subject: Tour de Trance flyer Yo kids, some of you have asked me. No I didn't make the announcement. It's Jeff's creation. He added some of my w riting, which after he put my name. e-mail? Maybe you guys are supposed to complain to me or somthing? Lovin' you Lisa I'm not talking about design of flyer. ----- Original Message ----- From: lisa R Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:50 PM Moderator Subject: Tour de Trance flyer Yo kids, some of you have asked me. No I didn't make th e announcement. It's Jeff's creation. He added some of my writing, which after he put my name. e-mail? Maybe you guys are supposed to complain to me or somthing? 594 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Tour de Trance flyer From: "lisa R" Yo kids, some of you have asked me. No I didn't make the announcement. It's Jeff's creation. He added some of my writing, which after he put my name. e-mail? Maybe you guys are supposed to complain to me or somthing? Lovin' you LisaGet more Yo kids, some of you have asked me. No I didn't make the announcement. It's Jeff's creation. He added some of my writing, which after he put my name. e-mail? Maybe you guys are supposed to complain to me or somthing? Lovin' you LisaGet mo 595 To: "newAvalon" Cc: Subject: Somthing to brighten your day Organization: Samsara Agency From: "Robin Parham" Reply-To: "Robin Parham" I pulse in order to dream Realizing intuition I seal the input of abunda nce With the solar tone of intention I am guided by the power of self-gen eration Blessed Be ~ Robin I pulse in order to dream Realizing intuition I seal the input of abundance With the solar t one of intention I am guided by the power of self-generation Blessed Be ~ Robin 596 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 04:06:52 Subject: Fwd: [omnitribe] Following omni tribe From: "fxdemolisher " fxdemolisherworldnet.att at returns.groups.yahoo To: omnitribe From: "cocatb69 " Mailing-List: list omnitribe; contact omnitribe- owner Delivered-To: mailing list omnitribe Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 01:41:14 Subject: [omnitribe] Following omni tribe The first party or gig that I been to that was made by omni tribe was at neva bar. For those people that never been there. It was a pretty cool place to smoke and listen to the music. There was even a small dance floor. They played very poorly but they played good tracks. Then I found out that they also do these outdoor gatherings. They were free. Since they where outside and it was summer it was not that important to me the way they mixed and other problems. I enjoyed and thought that they will become better with experience. When the cold season began they did few parties in the basement of some studio. One of which was good. The other parties that they did there almost gave me a bad trip. And since then they didn't make one good party. Always fucked up sound, projectors, and dj. The last parties started to look like Fridays in sound factory. Some unknown crowd which looked like brighton clubbers. Most people were fucked up on k or pills. On one party some asshole was selling speed. That was a first for me. I was sorry for the people that were on A. I decided not to come to these parties since they destroyed everything that I love about trance. I prefer not to come to the party then come back after party angry because I got fucked on my money. This party that they are doing with noma and some raggae guy from Moscow cant be good. So when I thought they would become better turned out to be untrue. They become shit. If you cant make good psychedelic trance parties don't make them at all or don't call them trance parties. 598 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 05:19:27 EST Subject: Re: [omnitribe] Re: Following omni tribe To: fxdemolisher at worldnet.att, NYC604 From: XDreamer123 I agree. As for Noma, just a few comments. Please, if you want to have two floors one with full-on the other with progressive/minimal/whatever then you should do so and not just advertise it. Because whatever was going on downstairs was not a dance floor. Horrible sound quality and no decorations. While upstairs, where the progressive/minimal was played (not my favorite style, but who cares, right?) the sound was alright. I left about an hour after it started, because the music upstairs was simply bugging me. I mean, it was scary and unpleasant. I might be biased or whatever, but that's just my opinion. In a few words, OmniTribe get a clue !!! You're all great guys and all, but please, it's not trance !!! 599 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: [omnitribe] Re: Following omni tribe From: kife --- XDreamer123 wrote: Because whatever was going > on > downstairs was not a dance floor. well if i say that whoever was playing downstairs was not a real DJ, would that be alright??? every time i came down there i had to turn down the master on the mixer cause they pushed the hi-freq knob into the 10 position and locked it there. > it's not trance !!! get a clue... go to a record shop or somthing (a *real* one, not house of schrance) --vlad _ 600 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:36:49 Subject: [omnitribe] Re: Following omni tribe From: "fxdemolisher " Please point us all to a real record shop. show me a CD which you think is trance which i do not have or don't have an opinion on? --- In NYC604, kife wrote: > > --- XDreamer123 at a... wrote: > > Because whatever was going > > on > > downstairs was not a dance floor. > > well if i say that whoever was playing downstairs was not a real DJ, > would that be alright??? every time i came down there i had to turn > down the master on the mixer cause they pushed the hi-freq knob into > the 10 position and locked it there. > > > it's not trance !!! > > get a clue... go to a record shop or somthing (a *real* one, not house > of schrance) > > --vlad > > _ 601 To: omnitribe, NYC604 Subject: Re: [omnitribe] Another Long reply, sorry for rambling (Re: Perceptions (Long)) From: icycoil I reiterate: "Just because it many not meet your criteria of what a psychedelic trance party is, does not mean it is not a psychedelic trance party for other minds." ~M In a message dated 12/22/2002 11:34:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, fxdemolisher at worldnet.att writes: > I got to disagree here. The beggining of omnitribe while humble and > small showed great promise. I think that is what is causing all this > talk, well at least from my side. I've seen a great promising group > of people turn into a more commercial and with every party to less > and less psychedelic routes. This in itself is not a bad thing, > people change, tastes change. The problem i believe is that some of > the crowd didn't change with them. Some of us still like psychedelic > exclusively. This does not include only psygoa as you mentioned. Out > of all the artists you mentioned the only one i have somthing to say > about is midimilliz, as this is a side project form the guys from > spirallianz this is pure minimal and cannot be called psychedelic or > trance. All of the other artists on your list, and about 100 others > which are not on it are psychedelic. Their music has a time and place > at parties. My theory is that the darker mode psy stuff is better > during the night. Towards morning a more energetic, although > sometimes less psychedelic, sound is needed, this can be supplied by > the full on sounds of GMS, skazi, fractal glider, hyper frequencies, > sesto sento, sun project, spacetribe, psyside, psydrop, etc. After > morning a more melodic, but not slower, music is needed to get back > to baseline. This is your alien project, talamasca, total eclipse, > and other artist which most people consider psygoa or morning trance. > I got to also disagree on GMS. i am not a music person but i hear a > lot of elements which make GMS tracks very psy, most of all his > talent for turning old homly melodies into synth sounds. > > Artists aside lets get back to the point. It is not our place to say > who can and can't promote what. Who can or can't put what fliers > where. That is done on a more personal level by the people involved. > But again i have to say that if a party is not psychedelic i don't > think home of trance would have anything to do with it. > > As for the latest parties, the last one i;ve been to thrown by omni > was at the loft. That was also a two stage affair with antix and > sanget. The outside was clear sound but volume was very low, music > was very good. Inside somthing was fucked up. I do not know the > details but the sound coming out of the speakers could not be > deciphered as music at all. I think this was the sound setup and not > the DJs because influx was playing. The same party started with two > guys DJing and playing full on (i think they played 3rd track from > 1200 mics CD, that was good). After them the music was minimal with > what sounded like a more german influences base. This killed all the > energy built up by the previous DJs. When influx started playing > somthing wrong already was with the sound and from there on the > party just plain sucked. Now they charges enough money for that > party, and enough people came that there should have been at least > one stage with enough sound of good quality. This did not happen. For > those who braved the cold of the outside roof stage the sound was > only enough when they stood 3 feet away from the speakers. I don't > believe this is the right way to go. I wanted to hear antix on big > sound (contrary to the belief that i only like GMS) and what did i > get? Antix playing on big sound with volume turned down. > > Another party comes to mind. the one at lunatarium. Can someone tell > me what happened there? I heard there were bouncers on the dancefloor > and cops came because the owner of the place didn't have liquer > license. How much was charged for that party? was it worth it? Also > another party at the same venue was thrown by Phantasm records a few > weeks later. There was little problem with sound (except crappy ev > system messing up some highs), no security to be seen, and no > interference by the police. How could this be? Is it just pure luck? > I think that if a party doesn't turn out right because cops come and > we have to sing happy birthday, fine, but if it happens consitently > then the party is not worth going to. > > Now you say noma party was good. You opinion counts but is not the > only one. I hear people talk about it both ways. Most say noma set > was amazing but rest of party was not worth it. Now i am not sure > what most people go to the party expecting, but i go expecting at > least 8 hours of psy music (all styles, but in right order) without > mishaps. That is what i am expecting and that is what i am going to > pay for. > > As for the new years parties. I have no problem if there were 100 > parties. The only issue i think both organizers have is that they > think there are not enough people to go around and for both parties > to be successfull. I don't think you are right in saying that people > won't go to home of trance party and i don't think you should cloud > people's perception of what to expect either. You want to hear more > progressive but very psychedelic sound, listen to new xenomorph style > or noma. For those who only like full on (i know a few people) there > is sesto sento(at HOT) and local DJs (at 1tribe). I don't meant to > tell people that a known name is better then local talent, you can't > judge until you hear. For those who like psygoa or want to remember > the old days there is double dragon (i hear he will be playing a mix > of old and new material) and spacetribe (if someone brings him back > to NYC). What i am trying to say is that typecasting parties is not a > good idea (i know i do it to) but maybe we should start judging > parties but what we expect and what we get back. I know i did not > enjoy the last 3 or 4 parties thrown by omnitribe, this might be just > me. This does kind of make the NYE choice easier for me. People who > have similar situation should decide by what they experienced and > what they know when deciding where to go and not base that decision > on any loyalties they might have. You are not going to the party > because of who is throwing it but because you want to enjoy > yourself. 602 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:42:16 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: [omnitribe] Another Long reply, sorry for rambling (Re: Perc... , omnitribe, NYC604 From: XDreamer123 I think that's exactly what it means. I think that's exactly what it means. 603 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 23:06:35 Subject: I know why you pissed off -- Another Long reply, sorry for rambling (Re: Perc... From: "igraidj " You didn't like that downstairs at Mundo they didn't do proper deco and didn't pay much attention to the sound quality; even though it was quite loud, they needed to have a sound engineer to tune the system. Totally true. I think for $25 you get exactly that. As they mature it'll be imporved. I'm sure. below is what I also wrote for omni tribe list and don't miss the last I-V items... --- "fxdemolisher " wrote: > about amps melting? yeah that was omnitribe's fault, but that was just part of the trip for me... > What about cops coming? dude, you are out of reality on that one. Organizers can't control that. Party at Lunatarium was one of the best. Cops came and left no problem. Vibe in the morning was very strong and psychedelic. at least for me. > about sound being shit? for me most of SS, Tsunami parties sound was much worse then at omni tribe parties. Noma party sound was perfect. > what about bringing three sound systems and > then turning the > volume on to a low setting? Antix party right? Yeah sound was low outside. I was told that there was a neighbor constanly complaining to the owner... they didn't call cops though, but forced to lower down volume. > What about playing new delta or spiralianz > after a full on or progressive set? oh man, that is too much to request. you want DJs to satisfy you and only you. Besides I don't remember that happening on the progressive floor which I like omni tribe parties for and I've been at most of the Omni Tribe parties. > All of this will not > do for a psychedelic party for me it's quite psychedelic. plus it's cool to have different styles. that's how you evelve in taste and mind.... I) the best experience I've ever had was at the parties that I go to with no expectation. no demands on delivery just pure experience... II) for omni tribe to do somthing like their parties and to charge only $25 is unexplainable. I know for fact they are loosing money every party. I know people who donated some cash for Noma party just to make it happen. III) for such demolish fxes like you, they have 2 floors every party starting with Antix. what else can NY trance scene can dream of? IV) NYE is not omni tribe; it's Dreamcatchers + one tribe which is Michele V) Home of Trance stuck in their minds on Goa of 1993 and they started to hate everything else. More then that they started to go so low that they ask people to write sad reviews. I know this cocatb69 guy and he wasn't there at Noma party. That is for sure. Wonder why they sell progressive music if they hate it so much? 604 Subject: update: party with SBK is on Jan 25th To: omnitribe-news, omnitribe, SafetyDance, DRAGONTRIBE, goa-boston, NYC604 From: omni tribe 605 Subject: deco needed for Jan 25th in Brooklyn To: omnitribe-news, omnitribe, SafetyDance, DRAGONTRIBE, goa-boston, NYC604 From: omni tribe psy fluoro-artist needed to decorate one of two floors at club Mundo. If you know omni tribe parties you know what is expected... please email to omnitribe 606 "dragontribe", "NYC604 Moderator", "omnitribe" Subject: Re: [SafetyDance] deco needed,Y.B.1. here let's talk! From: "lisa R" Y.B.1. is a collective of visual artists, versatile, can do just about anyt hing. If I show you examples of what we can do, we'll blow your mind guaran teed. We're not talking the live action painting that you saw at Luna.( Alt hough that's cool and it gets people involved that are not necessarily arti sts, even though it deviates from what is expected at a trance party) How about making some new shit. Supplies and cost need to be discussed. Transp arencies and slides available for review. I'm sure it could be an interesti ng collaboration of visual ideas that satisfy you and satisfy us. Can be fl uoro and/or non-fluoro work. Personally just as the music is evolving, I fe el that the visuals must also. Lovin you, Lisa PS. Y.B.1. is a collective of visual artists interested in the sa cred and the collaborative, artists interested in joining up with us should contact me and share ideas. We are more inclusive than exclusive. Artists with not much experience can still be helpful in working on small parts of artwork that are commensurate with their skills or help in other ways. lisaR Lesh----- Original Message --From: omni tr ibe Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 7:05 PM To: omnitribe-news. com; omnitribe; SafetyDance; DRAGONTRIBE at ya hoogroups; goa-boston; NYC604 Subject: [SafetyDance] deco needed for Jan 25th in Brooklyn psy fluoro-artist nee ded to decorate one of two floors at club Mundo. If you know omni tribe par ties you know what is expected... please email to omnitribe -- - Need a ride to the party? Have a car, have spaces? Send an email to bra inpooling Feel free to have your friends join by sending a n email to SafetyDance-subscribe . If you want updates on non-underground events send an email to brainmachines-subscribegroup s This is a big friends and family list for psychedelic trance in New York. Primarily we promote private parties that are too intimate for the l arger brainmachines list. If you know of jobs available, or rooms for rent , send them over, everyone here is good at safetydance . To become more involved with making actual events happen you should join t he New York chapter of the Devotional Ministry of Trance, DMTNY by going to paypal, registering, and sending $25 to Machine Elf, machinelf at brainma chines Lesh ubscribe the Yah Y.B.1. is a coll ective of visual artists, versatile, can do just about anything. If I show you examples of what wecan do, we'll blow your mind guaranteed. We're not talking the live action painting that you saw at Luna.( Although that's cool and it gets people involved that ar e not necessarily artists, even though it deviates fromwha t is expected at a trance party) How about making some new shit. Supplies and cost need to be discussed. Transp arencies and slides available for review. I'm sure it could be a n interesting collaboration of visual ideas that satisfy you and satisfy us. Can be fluoro and/or non-fluoro work. Personally ju st as the music is evolving, I feel thatthe visuals must also. Lovin you, Lisa PS. Y.B.1. is a colle ctive of visual artists interested in the sacred and the collaborativ e, artists interested in joining up with us should contact me an d share ideas. We are more inclusive than exclusive. Artists wit h not much experience can still be helpful in working on small p arts of artwork that are commensurate with their skills or help in other ways. lisaren ko . ----- Original Message ----- From : omni tribe Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 7:05 PM To: omnitribe-news; omnitribe; SafetyDance at yah oogroups; DRAGONTRIBE; goa-boston; NYC6 04 Subject: [S afetyDance] deco needed for Jan 25th in Brooklyn psy fluoro-artist needed to decorate one of two floorsat club Mundo. I f you know omni tribe parties you knowwhat is expected... please email toomnitribe ---Need a ride to the party? Have a car, have spaces? Send an email to brainpooling at yahoogroups Feel free to have your friends join by sending an em ail to SafetyDance-subscribe . If you want updates o n non-underground events send an email to brainmachines-subscribegrou ps This is a big friends and family list for psychedelic trance in New York. Primarily we promote private parties that are too intima te for the larger brainmachines list. If you know of jobs available, or rooms for rent, send them over, everyone here is good at safetydance at yah oogroups . To become more involved with making actual even ts happen you should join the New York chapter of the Devotional Ministry o f Trance, DMTNY by going to paypal, registering, and sending $25 to Mac 607 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:58:36 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: [omnitribe] Re: Following omni tribe From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/22/2002 10:08:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, rastacatt writes: > >it's not trance !!! > > get a clue... go to a record shop or somthing (a *real* one, not house > of schrance) this may souns stupid, but now that throb is selling its stock and won't replace, can someone name a record shop besides HOT in NYC that sells psy-trance? In a message dated 12/22/2002 10:08:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, rastacatt writes: >it's not trance !!! get a clue... go to a record shop or somthing (a *real* one, not house of schrance) this may souns stupid, but now that throb is selling its stock and won't replace, can someone name a record shop besides HOT in NYC that sells psy-trance? 608 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:06:58 EST Subject: My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: Machinelf Back in the olden days YEARS ago when we were knee deep in tripping good, I got a bunch of CDs in the mail from a guy who ran a realaudio trance site. I sat down and played through it all and made two stacks, one that sounded good to me with my weekly tripped out ears and one that sounded like somthing was "missing" or if somthing was there I didn't like it. I went back to this stack recently and dusted off the minimal/progressive stuff. It still does not speak to me - if you're going to go that minimal then why not go the Richie Hawtin direction. But the music is great background music for snorting blow. And some of these guys somehow made it to the beaches of Mexico, playing for people who have been rolling in clubs for years. Maybe it will be a crossover hit. Nevertheless, I will continue to promote it because well beggars cannot be choosers. And there will be a MAJOR fucking full-on flashback some day and it will be easier for everyone to keep in touch if they see each other occasionally. This is my opinion and don't expect others to have it too, for starters I like cheese but I know that others are lactose intolerant. Back in the olden days YEARS ago when we were knee deep in tripping good, I got a bunch of CDs in the mail from a guy who ran a realaudio trance site. I sat down and played through it all and made two stacks, one that sounded good to me with my weekly tripped out ears and one that sounded like somthing was "missing" or if somthing was there I didn't like it. I went back to this stack recently and dusted off the minimal/progressive stuff. It still does not speak to me - if you're going to go that minimal then why not go the Richie Hawtin direction. But the music is great background music for snorting blow. And some of these guys somehow made it to the beaches of Mexico, playing for people who have been rolling in clubs for years. Maybe it will be a crossover hit. Nevertheless, I will continue to promote it because well beggars cannot be choosers. And there will be a MAJOR fucking full-on flashback some day and it will be easier for everyone to keep in touch if they see each other occasionally. This is my opinion and don't expect others to have it too, for starters I like cheese but I know that others are lactose intolerant. 609 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:38:27 Subject: NYC604 has 100 members!! From: "Machinelf " In my pathetic little Borgy world that means a lot! See, some people day trade. Their happiness goes up or down as they watch their stock performance. But some particularly needy people who lack basic social skills/morals, like me, just sit around glued to their minors watching their Yahoogroups groups page, and wince when popularity/membership goes down, and get all big (pig-) headed when it goes up. The impulse to try to moderate others and tell them what to do is a misplaced child rearing instinct, the result of an old person who has not had children. It's a slow day today, so sue me. 610 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 04:00:16 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: XDreamer123 And so, the great debate continued. For many days and many nights they have argued as to what will trip them out the hardest, the purest, the highest. Minimalists, using confusion in the minds of the Trancers created by sudden downfall of Synthetic Sadhus, declared their own New Years celebration. "Now we will be divided on the New Years" cried out despearate A casualties. What shall we do? How shall we act? The Full-ON Aristocracy could no longer contain itself from acting desperately. "We charge thee with blasphemy!" -- high priests of the Home of Trance, declared, " Thou art banished !!!" The battle became more obvious, more destructive, more degrading. And those, who were still in the right mind and were true to the ideals of Beauty, left this Palace of Exile, for that was no longer the refuge, which it once was. And so they went, each seeking his own path to this great, computer generated momentum, which once, on some vaguely identified night or early morning, meant more then anything anyone could even begin to argue about. Thus was the foul year of Babylon, 2002, one year and three months since the Towers fell. 611 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 04:01:51 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: [omnitribe] Re: Following omni tribe From: XDreamer123 LOL :) > >it's not trance !!! > > get a clue... go to a record shop or somthing (a *real* one, not house > of schrance) this may souns stupid, but now that throb is selling its stock and won't replace, can someone name a record shop besides HOT in NYC that sells psy-trance? LOL :) >it's not trance !!! get a clue... go to a record shop or somthing (a *real* one, not house of schrance) this may souns stupid, but now that throb is selling its stock and won't replace, can someone name a record shop besides HOT in NYC that sells psy-trance? 612 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:23:11 Subject: [omnitribe] Re: Following omni tribe From: "Lesh " order online www.trancetrax is operating from phili takes a day to get yer stuff good selection ( thou older releases are harder to find there) friendly staff, fast responce. > this may souns stupid, but now that throb is selling its stock and won't > replace, can someone name a record shop besides HOT in NYC that sells > psy-trance? 613 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:08:20 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:00:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, XDreamer123 writes: > Thus was the foul year of Babylon, 2002, one year and three months since the > > Towers fell. it's a crazy week. the schism on genres almost feels like the red scare applied to music. The fall of SS has shed light on the crisis for psy-trance, esp. considering that out of the highest rated trance organizations, SS is out and 2 have been been booking local and international DJs that predominantly minimal progressive. That leaves a scattering of small underground Davids - none of which are currently prolific - and one Goliath - HOTsunami - keeping full on alive. This is what would happen is the psy- part of the equation was thrown into existential crisis. ...but don't anyone dare label Michel and Influx' New Years Party as Minimal Progressive brush. In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:00:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, XDreamer123 writes: Thus was the foul year of Babylon, 2002, one year and three months since the Towers fell. it's a crazy week. the schism on genres almost feels like the red scare applied to music. The fall of SS has shed light on the crisis for psy-trance, esp. considering that out of the highest rated trance organizations, SS is out and 2 have been been booking local and international DJs that predominantly minimal progressive. That leaves a scattering of small underground Davids - none of which are currently prolific - and one Goliath - HOTsunami - keeping full on alive. This is what would happen is the psy- part of the equation was thrown into existential crisis. ...but don't anyone dare label Michel and Influx' New Years Party as Minimal Progressive brush. 614 id Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:01:59 Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: FXdemolisher at att A great man once said what i think would apply to our current situation: "The great fallacy of the A culture is the belief that...someone or somthing is tending the light at the end of the tunnel." - Hunter S. Thompson Our problem is there is no one at the end of our tunnel. I think the NYE home of trance party is the last full on party we will see for at least half a year, probably longer. The New York scene is moving to minimal and non psychedelic progressive. Maybe one day, maybe by the next generation of trippers, the full psychedelic music (doesn't have to be full on) will be reintroduced to the new york area. Well if this is the situation we are in there is always work and real life. Parties are not an essential part of our lives, although definetly one of the most enjoyable. My hope is that in the coming months i hear comments from people who will still go to parties that the omnitribe and other crews are throwing parties with enough sound, good tunes, good crowd and quite security, but i am not holding my breath. >In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:00:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, >XDreamer123 writes: > >>Thus was the foul year of Babylon, 2002, one year and three months since the >>Towers fell. > >it's a crazy week. the schism on genres almost feels like the red scare >applied to music. The fall of SS has shed light on the crisis for >psy-trance, esp. considering that out of the highest rated trance >organizations, SS is out and 2 have been been booking local and >international DJs that predominantly minimal progressive. That leaves a >scattering of small underground Davids - none of which are currently >prolific - and one Goliath - HOTsunami - keeping full on alive. > >This is what would happen is the psy- part of the equation was thrown into >existential crisis. > >...but don't anyone dare label Michel and Influx' New Years Party as >Minimal Progressive brush. >> > the 615 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: "Jason Sannachan" Just because a track does not have a raging 303 running thru it or Mckenna blabbering on or some crap sample about being abducted by some Vulcan with 3 dicks does not mean that a track is not psychedelic now if you musical preference happens to Be Yahel and the 4 trumpet playing going into battle horseman of the apocalypse then Boom shankar to ya. If you want the full on goa experience and the plastic bottles disguised as bongs then please go to HOTSUNAMI parties if that is what rocks your boat. But do not say ''awwww this music is non psychedelic my ear drums aint bursting and I cant see illusions of Ganesha when I am Rinsing the sweat off my face in the bathroom''. Please expound on what you think is psychedelic and what isn't I am most interested to hear your expert opinions. The New Years party at Mundo will have plenty of psychedelic sound did any of you really look at the line up? Cheers Jason (SC) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: FXdemolisher at att [FXdemolisher at att] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive A great man once said what i think would apply to our current situation: "The great fallacy of the A culture is the belief that...someone or somthing is tending the light at the end of the tunnel." - Hunter S. Thompson Our problem is there is no one at the end of our tunnel. I think the NYE home of trance party is the last full on party we will see for at least half a year, probably longer. The New York scene is moving to minimal and non psychedelic progressive. Maybe one day, maybe by the next generation of trippers, the full psychedelic music (doesn't have to be full on) will be reintroduced to the new york area. Well if this is the situation we are in there is always work and real life. Parties are not an essential part of our lives, although definetly one of the most enjoyable. My hope is that in the coming months i hear comments from people who will still go to parties that the omnitribe and other crews are throwing parties with enough sound, good tunes, good crowd and quite security, but i am not holding my breath. >In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:00:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, >XDreamer123 writes: > >>Thus was the foul year of Babylon, 2002, one year and three months since the >>Towers fell. > >it's a crazy week. the schism on genres almost feels like the red scare >applied to music. The fall of SS has shed light on the crisis for >psy-trance, esp. considering that out of the highest rated trance >organizations, SS is out and 2 have been been booking local and >international DJs that predominantly minimal progressive. That leaves a >scattering of small underground Davids - none of which are currently >prolific - and one Goliath - HOTsunami - keeping full on alive. > >This is what would happen is the psy- part of the equation was thrown into >existential crisis. > >...but don't anyone dare label Michel and Influx' New Years Party as >Minimal Progressive brush. >> > the 616 by porterhouse.cownow (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gBNHc8Q06762; Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: Ben > A great man once said what i think would apply to our current situation: > > "The great fallacy of the A culture is the belief that...someone or > somthing is tending the light at the end of the tunnel." - Hunter > S. Thompson > > Our problem is there is no one at the end of our tunnel. Great metaphor, but to speak to our situation.. think of the light as a big spiritual bonfire, and think of the psytrance culture as a group of revelers dancing around the fire. Who's job is it to tend the fire? I leave the answer as an excercise for the reader. > I think the NYE > home of trance party is the last full on party we will see for at least > half a year, probably longer. > If you beleive this, then why not throw your own party, or join forces with a few people (makes it much easier) and do so? But I don't beleive this is true. First, the Tour de Trance is happening.. and looking at the list of DJ's, I see many variations of psytrance represented. Minimal will not be dominating that party. Second, Jaime and I are throwing the Enchantment Under The Sea Dance on Feb 1, and we are planning for energetic music. I hope you will be there, with positive attitude please :) > The New York scene is moving to minimal and > non psychedelic progressive. Maybe one day, maybe by the next generation of > trippers, the full psychedelic music (doesn't have to be full on) will be > reintroduced to the new york area. What is a scene and how does it move? Where is your place in this? ONE group of people, omnitribe, have been producing parties where this kind of music dominates. They happen to like this kind of music, and that's OK. It is the loss of overall enthusiasm and good feelings that is killing what you love, not Omnitribe. You shouldn't blame them for the troubles of other producers, as to my knowledge they have always been good people. New ideas are what created our culture and what keeps us thriving... getting crusty and old and whiney, and trying to hold on to the past is what destroys us. Getting lazy destroys us. Consumer mentality destroys us. It is not the complaining about the sound and the security and the music that destroys us, but the consumer mentality behind it. > Well if this is the situation we are in > there is always work and real life. Parties are not an essential part of > our lives, although definetly one of the most enjoyable. My hope is that in Agree! So if you value it, what can you do to protect it? > the coming months i hear comments from people who will still go to parties > that the omnitribe and other crews are throwing parties with enough sound, > good tunes, good crowd and quite security, but i am not holding my breath. > You don't go.. so your energy and your money are missing. You might as well stop holding your breath because who can do any of those things without money and without people? Why even post? Were you at the Spectra party last week? Great party, thank you Gavin, and thank you Omnitribe for helping him. Were you there? If not, then how can you hope for another party? Where do you expect Gavin to get money for a bigger, better party if you don't come to the smaller one? You sit and you wait for someone else to manufacture a big beautiful party for you, and so you really shouldn't hold your breath but rather go to a club where they have the money and machinery to stamp out big parties every week. I think what's going to happen is the opposite. As Terrence McKenna would say, "The way out is back". We will have a couple of speakers in the woods and dance around the fire. Jeff will bring his drum and dress up as an elf :) It won't be loud and it won't be big, but we'll have the feeling and it'll be good. Once in a while we'll have a loft party. Clubs and big venues won't have us anymore because we don't have enough money or enough people. And that's fine. Love to all -Ben 618 To: omnitribe, NYC604 Subject: Re: [omnitribe] Re: Omni Sound + Security From: icycoil In a message dated 12/23/2002 2:32:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, icycoil writes: >I already addressed the inside issue at the Antix party and I >think Omnitribe's choice in full-on DJ's were poor for that >party. Oops! Except for Boris. After I posted that I re-read it and realized I caught myself dancing inside to Boris's set at one point, though I won't retract the statement about the sound. Boris has a killer soundsystem but it didn't mesh well with the acoustics of that place. ~Merry 619 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:54:05 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/23/2002 11:04:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, FXdemolisher at att writes: > Our problem is there is no one at the end of our tunnel. I think the NYE > home of trance party is the last full on party we will see for at least > half a year, probably longer. Wrong. The DMT has speakers now yo. Full on, outdoors, legal with permits. > Parties are not an essential part of > our lives, Speak for yourself mon :-) In a message dated 12/23/2002 11:04:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, FXdemolisher at att writes: Our problem is there is no one at the end of our tunnel. I think the NYE home of trance party is the last full on party we will see for at least half a year, probably longer. Wrong. The DMT has speakers now yo. Full on, outdoors, legal with permits. Parties are not an essential part of our lives, Speak for yourself mon :-) 620 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:58:13 EST Subject: Three Dick Vulcan From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/23/2002 12:01:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writes: > Just because a track does not have a raging 303 running thru it or Mckenna > blabbering on or some crap sample about being abducted by some Vulcan with > 3 > dicks where can i get that track Jason? you lil devil i had no idea you had real music in those CDs of yours :-) In a message dated 12/23/2002 12:01:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writes: Just because a track does not have a raging 303 running thru it or Mckenna blabbering on or some crap sample about being abducted by some Vulcan with 3 dicks where can i get that track Jason? you lil devil i had no idea you had real music in those CDs of yours :-) 621 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:59:14 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/23/2002 12:43:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, ben at cownow writes: > Great metaphor, but to speak to our situation.. think of the light > as a big spiritual bonfire, and think of the psytrance culture as a group > of > revelers dancing around the fire. Who's job is it to tend the fire? Think of trance as the candle and we are moths. Whose job is it to tend the fire? In a message dated 12/23/2002 12:43:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, ben at cownow writes: Great metaphor, but to speak to our situation.. think of the light as a big spiritual bonfire, and think of the psytrance culture as a group of revelers dancing around the fire. Who's job is it to tend the fire? Think of trance as the candle and we are moths. Whose job is it to tend the fire? 622 Subject: CD RELEASE INFLUX & VIBRA FOR NEW YEAR PARTY! From: atagino at cs http://www.straliastudios /TURBINADO/ 623 To: Subject: RE: [NYC604] Three Dick Vulcan From: "Jason Sannachan" Course I do Jeff but I only play them in my padded room:O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message--From: Machinelf Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: [NYC604] Three Dick Vulcan In a message dated 12/23/2002 12:01:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writes: Just because a track does not have a raging 303 running thru it or Mckenna blabbering on or some crap sample about being abducted by some Vulcan with 3 dicks where can i get that track Jason? you lil devil i had no idea you had real music in those CDs of yours :-) Lesh Course I do Jeff but I only play them in my padded room:O) Jason Sannachan Studio Distribution Chelsea Market 425 west 15th street suite 2r NY NY 10011 1212 685 7161 EXT 43 Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' -----Original Message --From: Machinelf [Machinelf] Se nt: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: [NYC604] Three Dick Vulcan In a message dated 1 2/23/2002 12:01:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, js at studiodistribution writ es: Just because a track does not have a ragi ng 303 running thru it or Mckenna blabbering on or some crap sample abo ut being abducted by some Vulcan with 3 dicks where can i get that track Jason? you lil devi l i had no idea you had real music in those CDs of yours :-) -- - nt spam 624 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:33:50 Subject: Did some say 3-dick vulcan. From: "krsnalotus " Hey is there a 3-vagina Romulan around? Just kidding merry chrismas, man this classification music analyis shit is getting boring, Geezes I dont know which is worse, Mark & Jeff or all this bickering and critisisms. Well any way I love music. And to me there are no boundries, I have my style and thats important. wether I am creating the music or dj-ing it, its about the love of the love of music. How about psychedelic-progressive-full-on-goa-trance? ppfogt sounds like people forgot> forgot what love is. Om nama Shivaya by porterhouse.cownow (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gBNKbqo07500; Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: Ben > Think of trance as the candle and we are moths. Whose job is it to tend the > fire? Think of trance as the burner on my stove and we are all vegetables, noodles and chunks of beef boiling in a big pot. Who's job is it to make the sauce? And more important, did anyone bring some wine? -Ben 626 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:59:16 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Did some say 3-dick vulcan. From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/23/2002 3:35:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: >Re: [NYC604] Did some say 3-dick vulcan. I knew you would jump on the 3 dick metaphor. > Geezes I dont know which is worse, Mark & > Jeff or all this bickering and critisisms. Well, we can go back to that. You know it's all staged :-) Well any way I love music.> And to me there are no boundries, I have my style > and thats important. > Is that why you're listed as a Minimal Progressive DJ for New Years? This is sad. Now that genre has captured a fucking Hindu. "Progressive : dj s.h.i.kid(omintribe-nyc) Fx mike (omintribe-nyc) dj vitalik(omnitribe-nyc) dj icycoil(icycoil-nyc) Dragonlotus(dragonlotus-nyc) dj marco (spain)" https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /tourdetrance.html In a message dated 12/23/2002 3:35:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: >Re: [NYC604] Did some say 3-dick vulcan. I knew you would jump on the 3 dick metaphor. Geezes I dont know which is worse, Mark & Jeff or all this bickering and critisisms. Well, we can go back to that. You know it's all staged :-) Well any way I love music.And to me there are no boundries, I have my style and thats important. Is that why you're listed as a Minimal Progressive DJ for New Years? This is sad. Now that genre has captured a fucking Hindu. "Progressive : dj s.h.i.kid(omintribe-nyc) Fx mike (omintribe-nyc) dj vitalik(omnitribe-nyc) dj icycoil(icycoil-nyc) Dragonlotus(dragonlotus-nyc) dj marco (spain)" https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /tourdetrance.html 627 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:00:44 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/23/2002 3:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, ben at cownow writes: > > Think of trance as the burner on my stove and we are all vegetables, > noodles > and chunks of beef boiling in a big pot. Who's job is it to make the sauce? > > And more important, did anyone bring some wine? LOL In a message dated 12/23/2002 3:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, ben at cownow writes: Think of trance as the burner on my stove and we are all vegetables, noodles and chunks of beef boiling in a big pot. Who's job is it to make the sauce? And more important, did anyone bring some wine? LOL 628 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Did some say 3-dick vulcan. From: icycoil Yes, exactly. Oh, and what exactly *is* a 3-dick vulcan? ~Merry In a message dated 12/23/2002 3:33:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: > Hey is there a 3-vagina Romulan around? > Just kidding merry chrismas, man this classification music analyis > shit is getting boring, Geezes I dont know which is worse, Mark & > Jeff or all this bickering and critisisms. Well any way I love music. > And to me there are no boundries, I have my style and thats important. > wether I am creating the music or dj-ing it, its about the > love of > the love of music. > > How about psychedelic-progressive-full-on-goa-trance? > ppfogt > sounds like people forgot> forgot what love is. > Om nama Shivaya k. 629 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Did some say 3-dick vulcan. From: kife that's funny cause apparently i was booked to play on the full-on floor???? can someone from Dreamcatcher please get in touch w/ me? thanks --vlad --- Machinelf wrote: > > Is that why you're listed as a Minimal Progressive DJ for New Years? > This is sad. Now that genre has captured a fucking Hindu. > _ 630 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: "lisa R" Kali-Ma? Ha, no... this time I'm only kidding.............................. ..... Lisa ----- Original Message --From: IsmokeDMT .co m Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:04 PM Subjec t: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive In a message dated 12/23/ 2002 12:43:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, ben at cownow writes: Great meta phor, but to speak to our situation.. think of the light as a big spiritual bonfire, and think of the psytrance culture as a group of revelers dancing around the fire. Who's job is it to tend the fire? Think of trance as t he candle and we are moths. Whose job is it to tend the fire? No lie an e Kali-Ma? Ha, no... this time I'm only kidding................................... L isa ----- Original Message ----- From: IsmokeDMT Sent: Monday, December 23 , 2002 3:04 PM at yaho ogroups Subject: Re: [NYC6 04] My take on Psy vs. Progressive In a message dated 12/23/2002 12:43:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, ben at cownow writes: Great metap hor, but to speak to our situation.. think of the lightas a big spiritu al bonfire, and think of the psytrance culture as a group ofrevelers da ncing around the fire. Who's job is it to tend the fire? Think of trance as the candle and we are moths. Whose job is event spamNYC604- 631 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:00:30 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: Machinelf yeah, it's really YOU :-) In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:58:46 PM Easter n Standard Time, lisaR writes: > Kali-Ma? > Ha, no... this t ime I'm only kidding................................... Lisa > >> >as a big spiritual bonfire, and think of the psytrance culture as a >> group of >> revelers dancing around the fire. Who's job is it to tend the fire? > Think of trance as the candle and we are moths. Whose job is it to tend the fire? yeah, it's really YOU :-) In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:58:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, lisaR write s: Kali-Ma? Ha, no... this time I'm only kidding................................... Lisa >as a big spiritual bonfire, and think of the psyt rance culture as a group of revelers dancing around the fire. Who's job is it to tend the fire? Think of tra nce as the candle and we are moths. Whose job is it to tend the fire? 632 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:04:13 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] beatledelia From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/17/2002 4:54:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, djzhyin writes: > well, that's just a bunch of nonsense with the beatles....wasn't timothy > leary on that bus???? i'm going to see Timothy Leary's nephew in austin tx this evening. he is my age way cool and used to live with laslo, the real life lawyer from fear & loathing https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /texans.html In a message dated 12/17/2002 4:54:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, djzhyin writes: well, that's just a bunch of nonsense with the beatles....wasn't timothy leary on that bus???? i'm going to see Timothy Leary's nephew in austin tx this evening. he is my age way cool and used to live with laslo, the real life lawyer from fear & loathing https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /texans.html 633 Subject: RE: [NYC604] beatledelia To: From: "B, Nicholas" does he ever talk to his uncle? -----Original Message-- From: IsmokeD MT [Machinelf] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:0 4 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] beatledelia In a message dated 12/17/2002 4:54:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, djzhyin writes: well, that's just a bunch of nonsense with the beatles. ...wasn't timothy leary on that bus???? i'm going to see Timothy Leary 's nephew in austin tx this evening. he is my age way cool and used to liv e with laslo, the real life lawyer from fear & loathing http://www.brainma chines /texans.html groups Message does he ever talk to his uncle? -----Original Message-----From: IsmokeDMT at aol [Machinelf] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:04 PMSubject: Re: [NYC604] beatledeliaIn a message date d 12/17/2002 4:54:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, djzhyin writes: well, that 's just a bunch of nonsense with the beatles....wasn't timothy leary o n that bus???? i'm going to see Timothy Leary's nep hew in austin tx this evening.he is my age way cool and used to live with laslo, the real life lawyer from fear & loathinghttp://www .brainmachines /texans.html ---No lies, no one wor send an emai l to: Your use of 634 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: "lisa R" I'm flattered................................... ----- Original Messag e --From: Machinelf Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:05 PM To: NYC604 Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressiv e yeah, it's really YOU :-) In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:58:46 PM E astern Standard Time, lisaR writes: Kali-Ma? Ha, no... this t ime I'm only kidding................................... Lisa > as a big spiritual bonfire, and think of the psytrance culture as a group o f revelers dancing around the fire. Who's job is it to tend the fire? T hink of trance as the candle and we are moths. Whose job is it to tend the fire? Yo I'm flattered... ................................ ----- Original Message ----- From: Machinelf Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs . Progressive yeah, it's really YOU :-)In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:58:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, lisaR writes: Kali-Ma?Ha, no... this time I'm only kidding.................... ............... Lisa >as a big spiritual bonfire, and think of the psytrance culture as a group ofrevelers dancing aroun d the fire. Who's job is it to tend the fire?Think of trance as the candle and we are moths. Whose job i s it to tend the fire? ---No lies, an e Your u 635 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:09:25 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] beatledelia From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/23/2002 5:09:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp writes: > > does he ever talk to his uncle? > yeah we're having a seance :-) In a message dated 12/23/2002 5:09:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nicholas.Bailey at kbcfp writes: does he ever talk to his uncle? yeah we're having a seance :-) 636 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:30:50 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: Machinelf wow, that's what the wicked witch from the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe would say in her young days In a message dated 12/23/2002 5:10:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, lisaR writes: > I'm flattered................................... > > >> ----- Original Message -->> From: Machinelf >> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:05 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive > >> yeah, it's really YOU :-) >> >> In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:58:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> lisaR writes: >> >> >>> Kali-Ma? >>> Ha, no... this time I'm only kidding................................... >> >> Lisa >>> >>>> >as a big spiritual bonfire, and think of the psytrance culture as a >>>> group of >>>> revelers dancing around the fire. Who's job is it to tend the fire? >>> >> Think of trance as the candle and we are moths. Whose job is it to tend >> the fire? >> >> >> > wow, that's what the wicked witch from the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe would say in her young days In a message dated 12/23/2002 5:10:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, lisaR writes: I'm flattered................................... ----- Original Message --From: Machinelf Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive yeah, it's really YOU :-) In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:58:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, lisaR writes: Kali-Ma? Ha, no... this time I'm only kidding................................... Lisa >as a big spiritual bonfire, and think of the psytrance culture as a group of revelers dancing around the fire. Who's job is it to tend the fire? Think of trance as the candle and we are moths. Whose job is it to tend the fire? 637 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:00:27 EST Subject: HOTsunami vs Tour de Trance, by the numbers Cc: michel_byrne , ATagino at cs From: Machinelf Since Dec 1, here are the total number of hits to their sites on Brainmachines since last Wednesday: Tour de Trance - 736 hits - ~150 a day 736: 0.02%: 22/Dec/02 22:43: /tourdetrance.html TsunamiHot Party - 147 hits - ~30 a day 147: : 22/Dec/02 22:16: /tsunamihotparty.html from https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /logs/usage.html of course ToT may be inflated since I did a custom job on it (now gone - Lisa thought it was too megalomaniacal) and also since many local DJs were fact checking :-) also this does not include the "x" factor which is people who are not online or not on brainmachines etc. This includes lots of Israelis. So my prognosis? 500-700 people at both Tour de Trance and HOTsunami, with slightly more at ToT due to its lower cost. More "cool" people at ToT, but way more tripped out energy at HOTsunami. Can you guys tell I made an "A" in statistics and market research? But don't stop now, Make sure there are decorations on both floors. Shit, even get Lisa to go nuts, give her some $$$ for poster paper to paint on and some paint. Make sure somebody has tweaked the sound right. And for Christ's sake throw some A in the minimal djs' drinks :-) Since Dec 1, here are the total number of hits to their sites on Brainmachines since last Wednesday: Tour de Trance - 736 hits - ~150 a day 736: 0.02%: 22/Dec/02 22:43: /tourdetrance.html TsunamiHot Party - 147 hits - ~30 a day 147: : 22/Dec/02 22:16: /tsunamihotparty.html from https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /logs/usage.html of course ToT may be inflated since I did a custom job on it (now gone - Lisa thought it was too megalomaniacal) and also since many local DJs were fact checking :-) also this does not include the "x" factor which is people who are not online or not on brainmachines etc. This includes lots of Israelis. So my prognosis? 500-700 people at both Tour de Trance and HOTsunami, with slightly more at ToT due to its lower cost. More "cool" people at ToT, but way more tripped out energy at HOTsunami. Can you guys tell I made an "A" in statistics and market research? But don't stop now, Make sure there are decorations on both floors. Shit, even get Lisa to go nuts, give her some $$$ for poster paper to paint on and some paint. Make sure somebody has tweaked the sound right. And for Christ's sake throw some A in the minimal djs' drinks :-) 638 Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: hey lisa are you the one that used to work at house of trance if you are and your available lets go out sometime :P................... --- lisa R wrote: > I'm flattered................................... > ----- Original Message --> From: Machinelf > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive > yeah, it's really YOU :-) > > In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:58:46 PM Eastern > Standard Time, lisaR writes: > > Kali-Ma? > Ha, no... this time I'm only > kidding................................... Lisa > > >as a big spiritual bonfire, and think of the > psytrance culture as a group of > revelers dancing around the fire. Who's job is it > to tend the fire? > > Think of trance as the candle and we are moths. > Whose job is it to tend the fire? > > > > _ 639 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 05:56:02 Subject: RE: I know why you pissed off -- From: "B ... > Brian " >III) for such demolish fxes like you, they have 2 >floors every party starting with Antix. what else can >NY trance scene can dream of? this was a great party!!! even though the volume was turned down outside there was fanatasic visuals / projections and two floors / full on / minimal... outside was a little cold, but it was so much fun dancing on the roof top under the stars... 640 id Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:03:23 Subject: RE: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: FXdemolisher at att Please review comments on the omnitribe list for more information about what i and other people are considering as psychedelic. >Just because a track does not have a raging 303 running thru it or Mckenna >blabbering on or some crap sample about being abducted by some Vulcan with 3 >dicks does not mean that a track is not psychedelic now if you musical >preference happens to >Be Yahel and the 4 trumpet playing going into battle horseman of the >apocalypse then Boom shankar to ya. >If you want the full on goa experience and the plastic bottles disguised as >bongs then please go to HOTSUNAMI parties if that is what rocks your boat. >But do not say ''awwww this music is non psychedelic my ear drums aint >bursting and I cant see illusions of Ganesha when I am >Rinsing the sweat off my face in the bathroom''. >Please expound on what you think is psychedelic and what isn't I am most >interested to hear your expert opinions. >The New Years party at Mundo will have plenty of psychedelic sound did any >of you really look at the line up? >Cheers Jason (SC) > >Jason Sannachan >Studio Distribution >Chelsea Market >425 west 15th street >suite 2r >NY NY 10011 >1212 685 7161 EXT 43 >Js at studiodistribution '' DILLIGAFF'' > >-----Original Message-->From: FXdemolisher at att [FXdemolisher at att] >Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:02 AM > >Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive > >A great man once said what i think would apply to our current situation: > >"The great fallacy of the A culture is the belief that...someone or >somthing is tending the light at the end of the tunnel." - Hunter S. >Thompson > >Our problem is there is no one at the end of our tunnel. I think the NYE >home of trance party is the last full on party we will see for at least >half a year, probably longer. The New York scene is moving to minimal and >non psychedelic progressive. Maybe one day, maybe by the next generation of >trippers, the full psychedelic music (doesn't have to be full on) will be >reintroduced to the new york area. Well if this is the situation we are in >there is always work and real life. Parties are not an essential part of >our lives, although definetly one of the most enjoyable. My hope is that in >the coming months i hear comments from people who will still go to parties >that the omnitribe and other crews are throwing parties with enough sound, >good tunes, good crowd and quite security, but i am not holding my breath. > > >In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:00:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >XDreamer123 writes: > > > >>Thus was the foul year of Babylon, 2002, one year and three months since >the > >>Towers fell. > > > >it's a crazy week. the schism on genres almost feels like the red scare > >applied to music. The fall of SS has shed light on the crisis for > >psy-trance, esp. considering that out of the highest rated trance > >organizations, SS is out and 2 have been been booking local and > >international DJs that predominantly minimal progressive. That leaves a > >scattering of small underground Davids - none of which are currently > >prolific - and one Goliath - HOTsunami - keeping full on alive. > > > >This is what would happen is the psy- part of the equation was thrown into > >existential crisis. > > > >...but don't anyone dare label Michel and Influx' New Years Party as > >Minimal Progressive brush. > >> > > > the > >> > > >> > the 641 id Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:29:52 Subject: Re: [NYC604] RE: I know why you pissed off -- From: FXdemolisher at att Inside was bass and distortion after about 2 or 3 AM. outside was good music with extremely low volume due to complaining neighbor. As per request of some people on this list i will not mention "old" parties in my email anymore. At 05:56 AM 12/24/2002 , you wrote: > >III) for such demolish fxes like you, they have 2 > >floors every party starting with Antix. what else can > >NY trance scene can dream of? > >this was a great party!!! even though the volume was turned down >outside there was fanatasic visuals / projections and two floors / >full on / minimal... outside was a little cold, but it was so much >fun dancing on the roof top under the stars... > >> > the 642 Cc: SafetyDance Subject: New Website for Influx info From: atagino at cs http://www.straliastudios / 643 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 04:22:33 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive From: XDreamer123 One thing that dissappoints me about HOT and Tsunami party is the location. I mean, the location has to change guys. It is New Years. And Brooklyn Chapter, for all it's worth, is not a proper place to meet the new year. In Russian there is a saying " The way you meet the New Year is the way you spend it". So, if a request of one person matters, book somthing better. Outside toilets and a freezing cold chill out room is not somthing that is pleasing to the eye while I'm engaged in conversation with the rulers of Astralia, or see myself fighting against the Red China forces while freeing Tibet. There are plenty of warehouses in this great city of ours and just nicer places. How about booking Amazura for one night? Now that would bring us really all together. All together now, all together now all together now, all together now all together noooooowwwwwwwwww ... 644 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 06:21:56 EST Subject: American Trance Party in Amazura !!! From: XDreamer123 If everyone wants to get together for a New Year celebration, let's rent Amazura ballroom for 24 hours. I'm sure for enough cash we can arrange friendly security and make sure cops don't show up in the morning. The organizers will be American Trance Party (ATP), or, in simple terms, all of us who love and enjoy this music. People from the Home of Trance, you can do it. Tsunami -- do you, that's your chance to make up for Halloween disaster. Phantasm -- come back and show them how to do it. OmniTribe -- come, and maybe you can learn somthing. And if anyone can, let's buy A for everyone and give it out for free. Now, that's somthing we can all agree about, I hope. 645 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 06:24:14 EST Subject: Fwd: [omnitribe] Is this negativity necessary? From: XDreamer123 646 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 06:33:56 EST Subject: Fwd: omni sound + security (was re: cocatb69) From: XDreamer123 647 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 06:47:35 EST Subject: Minimalism is a State of Mind From: XDreamer123 Minimalism is a state of mind. Minimalists are the people who either never have tried psychedelic drugs with music, or took too many of them. Psychedelic Trance is the music of progression. Minimalims is the music of regression. it's fun to listen to it sometimes at home, after a long and exhausting day. I put it on, and i can listen to the entire album without remembering any interesting parts or anything like that. but then, i already have chill out and it's much more soothing. And if any dj will play delta after gms or sun project I will personally kick his ass !!! :) this shit just ain't right. 648 id Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:24:45 Subject: Re: [NYC604] American Trance Party in Amazura !!! From: FXdemolisher at att Now thats one idea i like. But i think its a bit late to start looking for location. Plus new years is not the best of times to throw a party, everything is extremely overpriced. from location to sound. All that aside, does anyone know how to get in touch with the amazura owners? maybe we can all pull a party there in the coming future. >If everyone wants to get together for a New Year celebration, let's rent >Amazura ballroom for 24 hours. I'm sure for enough cash we can arrange >friendly security and make sure cops don't show up in the morning. The >organizers will be American Trance Party (ATP), or, in simple terms, all of >us who love and enjoy this music. >People from the Home of Trance, you can do it. >Tsunami -- do you, that's your chance to make up for Halloween disaster. >Phantasm -- come back and show them how to do it. >OmniTribe -- come, and maybe you can learn somthing. >And if anyone can, let's buy A for everyone and give it out for free. >Now, that's somthing we can all agree about, I hope. > >> > the 649 Subject: Fw: [NYC604] American Trance Party in Amazura !!! From: "Fernando Borja" I'm from Union City, NJ. I'm 17y and I'm new to all this ( Oh and about that idea about the free A, why not also give out free x ?). Me and my friends are looking for a new years event to go to. Any information willbe greatly apreciatedLesh-- _____ Talk More, Pay Less with Net2Phone Direct(R), up to 1500 minutes free! http://www2phone /cgi-bin/link.cgi?143 650 Subject: Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: valerio zhyin the home of trance fuckin'sucks!!!!!!! they r a bunch of rip-offs!!!!!! one day, i took a stack of about 5 records, listened 2 them but didn't buy any of them.instead, i bought a cd and a sticker.... the next day, i go in again, grabbed another small stack of records and the ugly long haired motherfucker took them away from me!!!!!! he told me i couldn't listen 2 them because i didn't buy any records the day b4.... what a fuckin'asshole!!!!! down with them!!!!!!! boom shankar!!!!! the home of trance fuckin'sucks!!!!!!! they r a bunch of rip-offs!!!!!! one day, i took a stack of about 5 records, listened 2 them but didn't buy any of them.instead, i bought a cd and a sticker.... the next day, i go in again, grabbed another small stack of records and the ugly long haired motherfucker took them away from me!!!!!! he told me i couldn't listen 2 them because i didn't buy any records the day b4.... what a fuckin'asshole!!!!! down with them!!!!!!! 651 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Minimalism is a State of Mind From: valerio zhyin And if any dj will play delta after gms or sun project I will personally kick his ass !!! :) this shit just ain't right. hey mate, if u hate the delta so much, u should really change your name.... i do agree that tech-trance/psy-tek should not b played after gms,alien project, etc.....the full on stuff is 4 the morning...... hey mate, if uhate thedelta so much, u should really change your name.... 652 Subject: Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: valerio zhyin the home of trance fuckin'sucks!!!!!!! they r a bunch of rip-offs!!!!!! one day, i took a stack of about 5 records, listened 2 them but didn't buy any of them.instead, i bought a cd and a sticker.... the next day, i go in again, grabbed another small stack of records and the ugly long haired motherfucker took them away from me!!!!!! he told me i couldn't listen 2 them because i didn't buy any records the day b4.... what a fuckin'asshole!!!!! down with them!!!!!!! boom shankar!!!!! the home of trance fuckin'sucks!!!!!!! they r a bunch of rip-offs!!!!!! one day, i took a stack of about 5 records, listened 2 them but didn't buy any of them.instead, i bought a cd and a sticker.... the next day, i go in again, grabbed another small stack of records and the ugly long haired motherfucker took them away from me!!!!!! he told me i couldn't listen 2 them because i didn't buy any records the day b4.... what a fuckin'asshole!!!!! down with them!!!!!!! 653 id Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:17:17 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: FXdemolisher at att dude i got no idea what you are talking about. I personally listened through a whole bunch of CD at the store then bought nothing. And did that more then once too. Due to lack of funds i think i haven't bought a thing from then in 2 years. They still talk to me and answer question and all, tell me what parties will be that week and who is playing. Also seen people take stacks of 10+ cds or vinyls, listen through and buy like 1 or nothing. and then come back and do the same thing next week. > > the home of trance fuckin'sucks!!!!!!! they r a bunch of rip-offs!!!!!! > >one day, i took a stack of about 5 records, listened 2 them but didn't >buy any of them.instead, i bought a cd and a sticker.... > >the next day, i go in again, grabbed another small stack of records and >the ugly long haired motherfucker took them away from me!!!!!! > >he told me i couldn't listen 2 them because i didn't buy any records the >day b4.... what a fuckin'asshole!!!!! > >down with them!!!!!!! > >boom shankar!!!!! > >> > the 654 id Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:18:29 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Minimalism is a State of Mind From: FXdemolisher at att Seen it done. At the shelter tsunami party. Guy played two new XDream tracks (the new ultra minimal ones) after two tromesa tracks. Wanted to kill the bastard. > >And if any >dj will play delta after gms or sun project I will personally kick his ass >!!! :) this shit just ain't right. > >> >hey mate, if u hate the delta so much, u should really change your name.... > >i do agree that tech-trance/psy-tek should not b played after gms,alien >project, etc.....the full on stuff is 4 the morning...... > >> > the 655 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Minimalism is a State of Mind From: icycoil Hmmm, that sounds like a challenge ;) ~Merry In a message dated 12/24/2002 3:00:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, djzhyin writes: > And if any > dj will play delta after gms or sun project I will > personally kick his ass > !!! :) this shit just ain't right. 656 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: icycoil This happened to me too, more than once, and I used to spend about $500 a month there. ~Merry In a message dated 12/24/2002 2:21:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, djzhyin writes: > the home of trance fuckin'sucks!!!!!!! they r a bunch of rip-offs!!!!!! > one day, i took a stack of about 5 records, listened 2 them but didn't buy any of them.instead, i bought a cd and a sticker.... > the next day, i go in again, grabbed another small stack of records and the ugly long haired motherfucker took them away from me!!!!!! > he told me i couldn't listen 2 them because i didn't buy > any records the day b4.... what a fuckin'asshole!!!!! > down with them!!!!!!! > boom shankar!!!!! 657 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: valerio zhyin hey, i'm only speaking on my behalf....those were the only times i've ever been 2 that wretched overpriced shop......and the last......i like 2 b treated like a customer, not a thief...... i've also heard many other complaints regarding that long haired asshole..... hey, i'm only speaking on my behalf....those were the only times i've ever been 2 that wretched overpriced shop......and the last......i like 2 b treated like a customer, not a thief...... i've also heard many other complaints regarding that long haired asshole..... 658 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Minimalism is a State of Mind From: valerio zhyin i'll take x-dream over gms anyday... 659 Subject: happy days To: omnitribe-news, omnitribe, SafetyDance, DRAGONTRIBE, goa-boston, NYC604 From: omni tribe For sure wishing you all the best and taking care of your dreams come true..... thanks to all! omni tribe crew (dima rasta, dj fxmike, dj kife, dj sh.i.k.i.d, Lesh, liosha, misha xtinkt, omni girls, stas hi-fi, stas caribace, vitalik) 660 id Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:47:25 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Minimalism is a State of Mind From: FXdemolisher at att I hope you are talking about their older material because the new album is pure minimal. It shouldn't be under the xdream name but should be the third delta album since its basicaly a continuation. I think the midi milliz guys had a bad influence on marcus. Some older XDream like psymachine would have been nice after a tromesa track but the dude played the minimal shit. > > i'll take x-dream over gms anyday... > >> > the 661 Subject: Fwd: [NYC604] Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: icycoil ---------6ef3d46a3b0fd9cc6ef3d46a3b0fd9cc-- 662 Subject: Re: Fw: [NYC604] American Trance Party in Amazura !!! From: icycoil HiHi! Merry Christmas! :)))) I'm sure you've already been bombarded with emails about this subject, but there's a party at this awesome space in Brooklyn called Club Mundo (where the Noma party was this past Friday) on NYE. It's two floors and spacious with high ceilings and very comfortable. I'm very excited to be playing there also, and I've been working non-stop for the past couple of weeks getting my set ready for this 24 hours of madness. I know most of the other DJ's who are playing and they are fiendishly preparing also. We're all really excited! Also if you want to hear full-on craziness, INFLUX is going to be doing his first live set ever in NYC at this event. There are a lot of other full-on artists playing as well as more progressive (it's about 50/50 split, so you'll have your pick at all times). It's going to be killer, hope to see you there! Here's the link: https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /tourdetrance.html ~Merry In a message dated 12/24/2002 1:19:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, e1x7 at verizonmail writes: > I'm from Union City, NJ. I'm 17y and I'm new to all this ( Oh and about that idea about the free A, why not also give out free x ? ). Me and my friends are looking for a new years event to go to. Any information will be greatly > apreciatedLesh 663 Subject: Re: Fw: [NYC604] American Trance Party in Amazura !!! From: icycoil Wh00ps, that was supposed to be private. My apologies. I'm going back to lurking now. :) ~Merry In a message dated 12/24/2002 3:35:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, IcyCoil writes: > HiHi! Merry Christmas! :)))) > > I'm sure you've already been bombarded with emails about this subject, but there's a party at this awesome space in Brooklyn called Club Mundo (where the Noma party was this past Friday) on NYE. It's two floors and spacious with high ceilings and very comfortable. I'm very excited to be playing there also, and I've been working non-stop for the past couple of weeks getting my set ready for this 24 hours of madness. I know most of the other DJ's who are playing and they are fiendishly preparing also. We're all really excited! Also if you want to hear full-on craziness, INFLUX is going to be doing his first live set ever in NYC at this event. There are a lot of other full-on artists playing as well as more progressive (it's about 50/50 split, so you'll have your pick at all times). It's going to be killer, hope to see you there! Here's the link: > > https://tranceam.org/brainmachines /tourdetrance.html > > ~Merry > > In a message dated 12/24/2002 1:19:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, e1x7 at verizonmail writes: > > > I'm from Union City, NJ. I'm 17y and I'm new to all this ( Oh and about that idea about the free A, why not also give out free x ? ). Me and my friends are looking for a > new years event to go to. Any information will be greatly > > apreciatedLesh 664 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:34:38 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Minimalism is a State of Mind From: XDreamer123 hey mate, i don't hate delta. I hate morons who play at a wrong time. hey mate, i don't hate delta. I hate morons who play at a wrong time. 665 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:37:13 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: XDreamer123 That's just bullshit. I go there once every couple of weeks and usually buy one CD or nothing. But they keep on bringing me stuff to listen to constantly. I mean, maybe it's just you personally that they don't like. That's just bullshit. I go there once every couple of weeks and usually buy one CD or nothing. But they keep on bringing me stuff to listen to constantly. I mean, maybe it's just you personally that they don't like. 666 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:00:40 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: XDreamer123 Well, if you gonna call him long haired asshole then next time he might throw you out. And he will be right to do so. I wouldn't even let you back into the store. If you want to be treated like a customer go to fucking Tower Records or somthing. Home of Trance is not just a record shop. Yes, their products are overpriced. But they don't just sell records. Home of Trance is a concept. Well, if you gonna call him long haired asshole then next time he might throw you out. And he will be right to do so. I wouldn't even let you back into the store. If you want to be treated like a customer go to fucking Tower Records or somthing. Home of Trance is not just a record shop. Yes, their products are overpriced. But they don't just sell records. Home of Trance is a concept. 667 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:23:27 EST Subject: Yes Thank you. From: krsnalotus Well since you didnt wanna answer my Instant message or didnt recieve it: 1 you probbably dont even know what happened and what the situation is or happened, if you wanta leran then email me privatly & Ill tell you waht happened. Also I dont know how long youve been around, but I have been living here in the New York area way before HOT & Tsuanmi was ever around and when there was the original Underground Goa scene here ok. So please consider I have a fine uderstanding what and who is going down in the scene, unlike some new school New Jacks ok. Well since you didnt wanna answer my Instant message or didnt recieve it: 1 you probbably dont even know what happened and what the situation is or happened, if you wanta leran then email me privatly & Ill tell you waht happened. Also I dont know how long youve been around, but I have been living here in the New York area way before HOT & Tsuanmi was ever around and when there was the original Underground Goa scene here ok. So please consider I have a fine uderstanding what and who is going down in the scene, unlike some new school New Jacks ok. I have friends who have sued these assholes including India Drop. And believe me the real psy-trance world does not accept, the kind of bullshit these guys have pulled on people. ok And other artists such as Space Cat has told me he would never ever play for Tsunami. Well happy holdays and om shanti! Ps It is still really funny to here all these 1-2-3 year trancers talk like they know whats up! take it from a veterean a real indian 4 real k. 668 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: astral khan --- XDreamer123 wrote: > Home of Trance is a concept. bwahahahahahaha, that's the damn funniest thing i've read in a while... thanks for a good chuckle mate cheers --v _ 669 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:57:23 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Yes Thank you. From: XDreamer123 Hmm, ok, well, I guess I was way out of line to argue my points in the face of such long time veterans. So, to avoid this kind of misunderstanding, please present your goa medals next time and also your trance ranks (ie 52 parties, 75 trips, 15 rolls etc). If one thing is able to resolve the present crisis, it is a sense of humor. So, take a chill pill, my friend. OK !?! Hmm, ok, well, I guess I was way out of line to argue my points in the face of such long time veterans. So, to avoid this kind of misunderstanding, please present your goa medals next time and also your trance ranks (ie 52 parties, 75 trips, 15 rolls etc). If one thing is able to resolve the present crisis, it is a sense of humor. So, take a chill pill, my friend. OK !?! 670 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:58:00 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: XDreamer123 no problem, always aim to amuse :) no problem, always aim to amuse :) 671 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:02:13 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Yes Thank you. From: XDreamer123 As for SpaceCat, he is one greedy bastard. He didn't want to play at Phantasm without being paid in advance. He also refused to sign his own CD's when some friends of mine asked him to do so. Yes, his own fans, and he told them there were too many of them. So, I'm sure this international trance superstar really has a moral basis to judge Home of Trance. Cheers As for SpaceCat, he is one greedy bastard. He didn't want to play at Phantasm without being paid in advance. He also refused to sign his own CD's when some friends of mine asked him to do so. Yes, his own fans, and he told them there were too many of them. So, I'm sure this international trance superstar really has a moral basis to judge Home of Trance. Cheers 672 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Yes Thank you. From: who was hear before house of trance,anyway used to love those partie with indiadrop marco physix, had a great times, and yea there is too much politics going on, as for djs i think shikid spinning is best right now,not sating his music is all there but he certinly has developed his skillzzzzzzzzzzzzz........ --- krsnalotus wrote: Well since you didnt wanna answer my Instant > message or didnt recieve > it: > 1 you probbably dont even know what happened and > what the situation is or > happened, if you wanta leran then email me privatly > & Ill tell you waht > happened. > > Also I dont know how long youve been around, but I > have been living here in > the New York area way before HOT & Tsuanmi was ever > around and when there was > the original Underground Goa scene here ok. > > So please consider I have a fine uderstanding what > and who is going down in > the scene, unlike some new school New Jacks ok. > > I have friends who have sued these assholes > including India Drop. > > And believe me the real psy-trance world does not > accept, the kind of > bullshit these guys have pulled on people. ok > And other artists such as Space Cat has told me he > would never ever play for > Tsunami. > > Well happy holdays and om shanti! > > Ps It is still really funny to here all these 1-2-3 > year trancers talk like > they know whats up! > > take it from a veterean > a real indian > 4 real > k. > _ 673 id Wed, 25 Dec 2002 03:25:58 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Minimalism is a State of Mind From: FXdemolisher at att true true, there is a time and place for everything. but new delta is a bit too minimalistic for my taste. >hey mate, i don't hate delta. I hate morons who play at a wrong time. >> > the 674 id Wed, 25 Dec 2002 03:49:03 Subject: Next Parties From: FXdemolisher at att So how about it people. Post what artists you would like to see play in NYC. The more posts we get the better organizers can decide who to bring next. 675 To: "NYC604 Moderator" Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Progressive Sex, Rainbow,and our Lord Jesus Christ From: "lisa R" In a patriarchal society many stories paint women into two corners. The doe eyed naive beautiful princess, or the witch. Wicked comes from wicca, whic h are holders of many of the forgotten sacred truths. Oh then of course the re's the Older Wiser Fairy Godmother who's some form of neuter. Myths about true feminine power barely exist. Or they are scoffed at as being feminist , non-feminine, or are simply ignored. In this culture, Women's sexuality i s rated strongly on how they appear in the eyes of men. In "The Beauty Myt h" by Naomi Wolf she mentions that women need only to remember that they'r e sexuality did start or stop with the cultivation of that highly commercia lized beauty mystique. They need only to remember their early masturbatory experiences to recall that their sexuality exists outside the manufactured, yeah you heard me (fake) beauty categories passionately endorsed by a rav enous fashion and cosmetics industry. It's a big subject, obviously........ ........ And anyway, what are you complaining about, us "wicked witches" ga ve you the best sex you ever had (your words). What's scary is also titilla ting ..................if you let it be And if I've pulled out some hairs W hat do you a expect a Rainbow lioness to do............................... ........... Merry Christmas Eve honey!... and to the rest of the Whitmor e clan,....as we await the birth of OUR Lord Jesus Christ. For the non-Chr istians, remember, there's power in prayer. Doesn't matter if its Buddha, Christ, Vishnu,or Krishna! Humanity is presently destroying this beautiful planet, Gaia, if you will, animal and plant species are going extinct dail y. THERE IS POWER IN PRAYER, or call it meditation, or casting spells(if you're wiccan) Humans must raise their consciousness to halt all these tra vesties. RAINBOW WARRIORS MARCH ON. We consist of all races, creeds, classe s, religions, .......that is My Family.....and you all are welcome to join. welcomehome.org Hosannah to the Highest. The gates to Zion will be opened. We can do it...........together. Love, Lisa ----- Ori ginal Message --From: Machinelf Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs . Progressive wow, that's what the wicked witch from the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe would say in her young days In a message dated 12/23/2002 5:10:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, lisaR writes: I'm flattere d................................... ----- Original Message --F rom: Machinelf Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:05 PM at y ahoogroups Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progressive yea h, it's really YOU :-) In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:58:46 PM Eastern S tandard Time, lisaR writes: Kali-Ma? Ha, no... this time I'm only kidding................................... Lisa >as a big s piritual bonfire, and think of the psytrance culture as a group of revelers dancing around the fire. Who's job is it to tend the fire? Think of tr ance as the candle and we are moths. Whose job is it to tend the fire? No lies n e In a patriarchal society many storiespaint women into two corners. The doe eyednaive beautiful princess, or thewitch. Wicked c omes from wicca, which are holders of many of the forgotten sacred truths. Oh then of course there's the Older Wiser Fairy Godmother who's some form of neuter. Myths about true feminine power barely exist. Or they are scoffed at as being feminist, non-femi nine, or are simply ignored. In this culture, Women's sexuality is rated strongly on how they appear in the eyes of men. In "The Beauty Myth" by Naomi Wolf she mentions that women need only to remember that they're sexuality did start or stop w ith the cultivation ofthat highly commercialized beauty my stique.They need only to remember their early masturbatory experiencesto recall that their sexuality exists outside the manufactured, yeah you heard me (fake) beauty categories passiona tely endorsed by a ravenous fashion and cosmetics industry. It's a big subject, obviously................ And anyway, what are you complaining about, us "wicked witches" gave you th e best sex you ever had (your words). What's scary is also titil lating ..................if you let it be And if I've pulled out some hairs What do you a expect a Rainbow lioness to do.. ........................................ Merry Christmas Eve honey!...andto the rest ofthe Whitmclan,....as we await the birth ofOUR Lord Jesus Christ. For the non-Christians, remember, there's power in praye r. Doesn't matter if its Buddha, Christ, Vishnu,or Krishna! Humanity is presently destroying this beautiful planet, Gaia, if you will, animal and plant species are going extinct daily. THERE IS POWER IN PRAYER, or call it meditati on, or casting spells(if you're wiccan) Humans must raise their consciousness to halt all these travesties. RAINBOW WARRIORS MAR CH ON. We consist of all races, creeds, classes, religions, .... ...that is My Family.....and you all are welcome to join. welcomehome.org Hosannah to the Highest. The gat es to Zion will be opened. We can do it...........together. Love, Lisa ----- Ori ginal Message ----- From: Machinelf Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [NYC604] My take on Psy vs. Progress ive wow, that's what the wicked witch fr om the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe would say in her young daysI n a message dated 12/23/2002 5:10:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, lisaR at ms n writes: I'm f lattered................................... ----- Original Message -----Fro m: MachinelfSent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:05 PMSubject: Re: [NYC604] My tak e on Psy vs. Progressive yeah, it's really YOU :-)In a message dated 12/23/2002 4:58:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, lisaR at msn writes: Kal i-Ma?Ha, no... this time I'm only kidding.............................. ..... Lisa >as a big spiritual bonfire, and think of the psyt rance culture as a group ofrevelers dancing around the fire. Who' s job is it to tend the fire?Think of tra nce as the candle and we are moths. Whose job is it to tend the fire? --- up, send an eYour use hoogroups the 676 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: Machinelf tell us how you really feel :-) In a message dated 12/24/2002 2:21:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, djzhyin writes: > the home of trance fuckin'sucks!!!!!!! they r a bunch of > rip-offs!!!!!! 677 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 01:00:18 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Fwd: [omnitribe] Is this negativity necessary? From: oggmod13 In a message dated 12/24/2002 6:24:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, XDreamer123 writes: > I, for once, am on my own side. I just happened to like Full On. :) My comment is that the "Trance" scene is now exactly like all the other NYC scenes have always been. Good in the beginning, then the musical bigotry begins, the Jealousies that have been under the surface comes out, the weak become big mouths, and people begin to pick on the DJ's because they are always obvious targets. The negativity is not neccecary, but it exists. It is sad but true that most people are unable to handle a good thing. If you dont like somthing, avoid it, but please dont write endless diatribes about nothing. Honestly, the only thing that I dont like about this scene is the fact that people use e mail to bitch and complain. You people have missed the point of this. People are supposed to get together with the technology, not further apart. Whatever, I am just another opinion spamming the list. I just wish that everyone who has a problem with somebody to tell them face to face and stop hiding behind a goddamn computer screen. I wish the NYC Trance scene a Merry Christmas and i hope that we can all continue to party together, minus the whiners and the jealous types;) Trance HEIL!! Music is the ONLY answer! OggMod In a message dated 12/24/2002 6:24:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, XDreamer123 writes: I, for once, am on my own side. I just happened to like Full On. :) My comment is that the "Trance" scene is now exactly like all the other NYC scenes have always been. Good in the beginning, then the musical bigotry begins, the Jealousies that have been under the surface comes out, the weak become big mouths, and people begin to pick on the DJ's because they are always obvious targets. The negativity is not neccecary, but it exists. It is sad but true that most people are unable to handle a good thing. If you dont like somthing, avoid it, but please dont write endless diatribes about nothing. Honestly, the only thing that I dont like about this scene is the fact that people use e mail to bitch and complain. You people have missed the point of this. People are supposed to get together with the technology, not further apart. Whatever, I am just another opinion spamming the list. I just wish that everyone who has a problem with somebody to tell them face to face and stop hiding behind a goddamn computer screen. I wish the NYC Trance scene a Merry Christmas and i hope that we can all continue to party together, minus the whiners and the jealous types;) Trance HEIL!! Music is the ONLY answer! OggMod 678 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Yes Thank you. From: Machinelf I don't blame Spacecat for the payment demand. Also, he was nice to me and i didn't dose him or anything! In a message dated 12/24/2002 6:02:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, XDreamer123 writes: > As for SpaceCat, he is one greedy bastard. He didn't want to play at Phantasm without being paid in advance. He also refused to sign his own CD's when some friends of mine asked him to do so. Yes, his own fans, and he told them there were too many of them. So, I'm sure this international trance > superstar really has a moral basis to judge Home of Trance. 679 Subject: Fwd: Author seeks Brazil contacts From: Machinelf ---------60c1f7146b0c86ee60c1f7146b0c86ee-- 680 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 02:48:45 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Fwd: [omnitribe] Is this negativity necessary? From: XDreamer123 I won't hide. There is my picture in AOL profile. I can give out my phone number if anyone asks, but I will do that personally. Sorry, can't give it to everybody, Sprint only allows that many free minutes and I can't pay the bill as it is. :) 681 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 02:56:42 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Yes Thank you. From: XDreamer123 Each experience is personal :) 682 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 02:58:19 EST Subject: Real Musical Question From: XDreamer123 Can somebody recommend some recent full-on releases? Trying to shop online here. 683 Cc: brainexchange Subject: GOA raver shirt From: Machinelf LOL http://cgi.ebay /ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category29882&item932316350 684 Subject: one other thing.. To: Omnitribe -Group-, nyc604 From: Paul Smith To the Omnitribe Crew, You guys did an AWESOME job with your last party. Noma was unreal. Minus my one hour nap, due to various stuff ), they kept me dancing the entire night. The decore was great. For the first time in a long time, i saw banners that didn't look like every other trance party through out the history of time. Your visual guys are always spectacular. Even though one of them, and you know who you are, "borrowed" one of my visual concepts (but that's another story, and i don't want to get into it whail i'm writing a positive review). KEEP IT UP.. -paul. -aurOra. ps. just thought that after all the bullshit i've been reading on the various lists that you would like to know that there are people out there who realy do appreciate all of your hard work. To the Omnitribe Crew, You guys did an AWESOME job with your last party. Noma was unreal. Minus my one hour nap, due to various stuff ), they kept me dancing the entire night. The decore was great. For the first time in a long time, i saw banners that didn't look like every other trance party through out the history of time. Your visual guys are always spectacular. Even though one of them, and you know who you are, "borrowed" one of my visual concepts (but that's another story,and i don't want to get into it whail i'm writing apositive review). KEEP IT UP.. -paul. -aurOra. 685 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Minimalism is a State of Mind From: valerio zhyin FXdemolisher at att wrote: I hope you are talking about their older material because the new album is pure minimal. It shouldn't be under the xdream name but should be the third delta album since its basicaly a continuation. I think the midi milliz guys had a bad influence on marcus. Some older XDream like psymachine would have been nice after a tromesa track but the dude played the minimal shit. DUDE, x-dream is NOT minimal....their style is tech-trance or psy-tek..... their music is full of textures and complex arrangements....not 2 mention the superb production quality.... FXdemolisher at att wrote: DUDE, x-dream is NOT minimal....their style is tech-trance or psy-tek..... their music is full of textures and complex arrangements....not 2 mention the superb production quality.... 686 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: valerio zhyin XDreamer123 wrote: Well, if you gonna call him long haired asshole then next time he might throw you out. And he will be right to do so. I wouldn't even let you back into the store. If you want to be treated like a customer go to fucking Tower Records or somthing. Home of Trance is not just a record shop. Yes, their products are overpriced. But they don't just sell records. Home of Trance is a concept. a concept????? r u serious????heheheheheheh i know an asshole when i c 1....it takes 1 2 know 1....heheheheheh by the way, i didn't call him anything....but, i should have..... XDreamer123 wrote: 687 Subject: space cat sucks From: valerio zhyin who cares? space cat sucks anyway..... who cares? space cat sucks anyway..... 688 Subject: space cat sucks From: valerio zhyin who cares? space cat sucks anyway..... who cares? space cat sucks anyway..... 689 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: valerio zhyin Machinelf wrote: ok, the home of trance is good 4 some ppl but when i was there, the long haired asshole treated me unfairly....mayb he was having a bad hair day.... i still feel that they r way overpriced...$500 4 a stupid batik banner!!!!! c'mon....$90 4 a pair of space tribe pants!!!!! they r charging WAY more than they need 2 and that's that.... In a message dated 12/24/2002 2:21:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, djzhyin writes: > the home of trance fuckin'sucks!!!!!!! they r a bunch of > rip-offs!!!!!! Machinelf wrote: ok, the home of trance isgood 4 some ppl but when i was there, the long haired asshole treated me unfairly....mayb he was having a bad hair day.... 690 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14:44:59 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] Re: |-|/| Down with the monarchy. Tsunami & HOT From: krsnalotus True thats how i feel they want 100$ for a spirit zone bag? And i asked alex the long haired guy, and he had a whole story why it was so much!! retarts !!!!!! and asholes very rude True thats how i feel they want 100$ for a spirit zone bag? And i asked alex the long haired guy, and he had a whole story why it was so much!! retarts !!!!!! and asholes very rude 691 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 14:45:17 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] space cat sucks From: krsnalotus I dont see you with any releases I dont see you with any releases 692 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Fwd: Author seeks Brazil contacts From: valerio zhyin hey mr.elf, give your friend my email cause i'm here in rio de janeiro..... greetings 2 all of u.................. Machinelf wrote:Could you Brazillians and travellers help my buddy out, he's the acclaimed author of World on Fire, about tripping, rainforests, and ecological armageddon... please email him directly it would mean a lot thanks! From: Michael Subject: Brazil To: Machinelf Jeff, Would love to have the CD's you offered to burn for me; also to pursue more live performance from World on Fire with you or with others... But my immediate query involves Brazil. I'm going down on Jan 17, will be in Rio for several days before going on to Porto Alegre for the World Social Forum. Do you know of anyone for me to contact there--dj's, club scene, just folks, contacts, humans... Yours in the light, Michael hey mr.elf, give your friend my email cause i'm here in rio de janeiro..... greetings 2 all of u.................. Machinelf wrote: 693 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:24:42 EST Subject: Fwd: hobot1980 posted to SafetyDance From: Machinelf I like all of those, and I'd also like to see Etnica and Cosmosis :) >From: XDreamer123 >Reply-To: SafetyDance >To: SafetyDance >Subject: Re: [SafetyDance] Next Parties >Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:02:46 EST > >Skazi, GMS, Talamasca, Hallucinogen, Sun Project, BLT In a message dated 12/25/2002 1:44:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, SafetyDance-accept-2Ulc5JwmniMFK2aV writes: > I like all of those, and I'd also like to see Etnica and Cosmosis :) > > >From: XDreamer123 > >Reply-To: SafetyDance > >To: SafetyDance > >Subject: Re: [SafetyDance] Next Parties > >Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:02:46 EST > > > >Skazi, GMS, Talamasca, Hallucinogen, Sun Project, BLT I like all of those, and I'd also like to see Etnica and Cosmosis :) >From: XDreamer123 >Reply-To: SafetyDance >To: SafetyDance >Subject: Re: [SafetyDance] Next Parties >Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:02:46 EST > >Skazi, GMS, Talamasca, Hallucinogen, Sun Project, BLT In a message dated 12/25/2002 1:44:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, SafetyDance-accept-2Ulc5JwmniMFK2aV writes: I like all of those, and I'd also like to see Etnica and Cosmosis :) >From: XDreamer123 >Reply-To: SafetyDance >To: SafetyDance >Subject: Re: [SafetyDance] Next Parties >Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:02:46 EST > >Skazi, GMS, Talamasca, Hallucinogen, Sun Project, BLT 694 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:43:17 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] space cat sucks From: Machinelf In a message dated 12/25/2002 2:46:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: > I dont see you with any releases kamal i hate to tell you this but Valerio IS a producer and has tracks. At least mix discs. i would rather hear WHY somthing sucks than if it does. specificity is best. In a message dated 12/25/2002 2:46:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, krsnalotus writes: I dont see you with any releases kamal i hate to tell you this but Valerio IS a producer and has tracks. At least mix discs. i would rather hear WHY somthing sucks than if it does. specificity is best. 695 Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:01:40 EST Subject: Re: [NYC604] space cat sucks From: krsnalotus Ok he>Valerio, might think he sucks but appently alot of other people seem to support space cat and I have met him and he seems fine to me and a lot cooler than some of the people in nyc I likw his music alot better than some of the other cheasy Israeli stuff he might not be on top of my list but I still like him. So why does he suck, what would be a good definition of why he sucks, Jeff you shouldnt talk either lets hear your mix? Ok he>Valerio, might think he sucks but appently alot of other people seem to support space cat and I have met him and he seems fine to me and a lot cooler than some of the people in nyc I likw his music alot better than some of the other cheasy Israeli stuff he might not be on top of my list but I still like him. So why does he suck, what would be a good definition of why he sucks, Jeff you shouldnt talk either lets hear your mix? 696 Subject: Re: [NYC604] Next Parties From: Margo Korableva Talamasca, Tarsis, Ticon....... FXdemolisher at att wrote:So how about it people. Post what artists you would like to see play in NYC. The more posts we get the better organizers can decide who to bring next. In Trance We Trust Talamasca, Tarsis, Ticon....... FXdemolisher at att wrote: 697 Subject: Re: [NYC604] one other thing.. From: deco sucks,projectors suck,music good,nice club you rock,keep an eye out for severyn if you can find him... --- Paul Smith wrote: > > To the Omnitribe Crew, You guys did an AWESOME job with your last > party. Noma was unreal. Minus my one hour nap, due > to various stuff ), they kept me dancing the entire > night. The decore was great. For the first time in > a long time, i saw banners that didn't look like > every other trance party through out the history of > time. Your visual guys are always spectacular. Even > though one of them, and you know who you are, > "borrowed" one of my visual concepts (but that's > another story, and i don't want to get into it whail > i'm writing a positive review). KEEP IT UP.. -paul. -aurOra. > > ps. just thought that after all the bullshit i've > been reading on the